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1) Yoon has made a hell of a lot fgs for us. He knows how to make them. He missed these by inches. Not worried. Especially with his work ethic and intelligence.

2) WR complaints on here... How many times were they really even targeted? Sure, there weren't a lot of catches outside of EQ, but we spent a whole half almost exclusively running the ball and we were actually using TEs... It's hard for everyone to look amazing on the same day.

3) Defense: Secondary had a few bad reads, ans a few bad angles, but outside of that, they played reasonable for week 1...and if you don't think they were better than last season, then you must have amnesia.


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I think there's a few keys to the season on how successful we will be.

1. Notre dame needs to find another go to WR, if he gets out of the dog house I think it will be Stepherson.
2. DT's can't afford any injuries if bonner or Tillery get hurt this team will be hurting, maybe Hayes moves inside if that happens.
3. Safety play has to improve.
 

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What I enjoyed most was the running game. I don't think I've seen a more dominant rushing attack in my lifetime.

And I thought the defense was struggling some in the first half but made some adjustments at halftime and came out looking much sharper in the 2nd half. That will help us a ton this season if defense can adjust at halftime. That's something that has been lacking the last few years.
 

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1) Yoon has made a hell of a lot fgs for us. He knows how to make them. He missed these by inches. Not worried. Especially with his work ethic and intelligence.

He's career 4/8 over 40 yards. He's 13/17 from 30-39. That's combined 68% when the LOS is the 13 yard line or more. Forgive me for pointing that out.

He has not been a weapon nor has he been reliable.
 

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Smythe did recover. He's good to go for practice tomorrow. MDT will be back for Georgia as well.

Interested to know why you think the secondary will get "lit up" by good QBs? I can think of 1, maybe 2, instance where it was a busted coverage. That was when the receiver got behind Elliot in the endzone but dropped it. Overall, I thought coverage was pretty good all game.

Their QB was not that good and missed open receivers. A good QB will take advantage. We're going to have to get pressure, and our one on one tackling has never been a strength by our corners.
 

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Seeking perfection in week one is slightly on the unrealistic side.
 

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I was impressed by Temple's secondary. They ran down not only Adams, but Dexter as well. On that TD by Weishar, it was literally perfect coverage (which makes the catch all the better). They blew up our screen game--which was a little suspect--like we were Purdue. They were all over the place.

I wonder if that should give a little reason to hope that we'll see some improvement in the pass game next week.

But the gift that they really gave us is an early reminder to Kelly that our strength is running the ball!
 

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If we were playing pro style running offense, ala Michigan, they would be perfect, but we don't. Looking back at the RBs we have had and the style offense we play, our offense prefers and produces with a RB with top end speed: Jonas Gray, Procise.

This is just nonsense. And what a weird time to bring it up:

Josh Adams 19 161 8.5 2 60
Dexter Williams 6 124 20.7 1 66

Adams is literally the perfect back for our system, and is putting up historic numbers. Williams is a speed guy and showed it.

Who cares that they got caught? Williams shouldn't have, but he slowed down to do an unsuccessful stiff arm because the Temple guys was coming so fast. He probably could have scored Adams, slowed down to put the ball on the outside hand, and maybe to get the defense to take bad angles. But he is also plenty fast.

Also, the safeties for Temple are really fast. I don't care how slow you declare Dexter Williams to be, he's fast enough not to get caught unless the other kid is really, really fast. That transfer they got is an NFL player.

And Gray was atypical every down back. He was like 230, he just also had speed. Any team would have done great with him, once he was committed to football. Kelly didn't even recruit him, he's was a Weis guy.

Procise is an NFL freak athlete. His rise was completely unpredictable, and his RB skills were mediocre (instincts were good, though). He was just fast as hell and could run past everyone in college. No one saw that coming. That was pure talent. Even so, we actually had the situation where Procise went down and Adams replaced him. He did excellent. And we also did better with Adams in the short yardage when Procise was healthy.
 
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No need to complain about how the WR were used on Saturday. I think one of ND's hidden weapons is our WR group. ND didn't show us everything on Temple and they shouldn't have. I want EQ to get as many targets as possible, but I expect more against Georgia.
 

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I believe that time will show that Temple (barring key injuries) is a pretty good football team. It was their first game too. If our OLine wasn't such a bunch of monsters, their defensive quality would have shown more. Temple was playing against maybe the best OLine in the nation. They were also playing against one of the nation's best DCs.
 

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No need to complain about how the WR were used on Saturday. I think one of ND's hidden weapons is our WR group. ND didn't show us everything on Temple and they shouldn't have. I want EQ to get as many targets as possible, but I expect more against Georgia.


Thank you......

the argument to 'run the ball, run the ball, run the ball...'

The Irish run the ball and now I'm reading how the WR were used on Saturday....


Oh sh!t, forgot.... my bad..... I'm in the IE forum....
 

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A couple things to point out:

D Hayes and Okwara each had a sack, which falls in line with that Kelly was saying about their ability to disrupt the QB. Coney added the other and he looked reborn.

We had 11 tackles for loss, last year we had 61 total over 12 games which comes out to almost exactly 5/game. Major improvement. Coney and Trumbetti tied for the lead with 1.5 each.

Lord Myron, D Hayes, J Hayes and Okwara comprised the other DL players who each had a TFL.

It wasn't perfect and we'll face stiffer competition but most would call that a "good start".
 

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Everything has been pretty much covered at this point however, I was very pleased to see BK's demeanor on the sideline. One particular moment that stood out to me was when he had to call a timeout because the clock was running down he didn't instantly get in BW's face and let Long handle it. Then, as the offense huddled on the sideline BK was a spectator letting Long handle the huddle. That was very encouraging...
 

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Everything has been pretty much covered at this point however, I was very pleased to see BK's demeanor on the sideline. One particular moment that stood out to me was when he had to call a timeout because the clock was running down he didn't instantly get in BW's face and let Long handle it. Then, as the offense huddled on the sideline BK was a spectator letting Long handle the huddle. That was very encouraging...

I also really enjoyed him getting pumped for Weishar. He definitely looked more like a "players coach" than he did previously. Of course that's easy to do when your winning big.
 

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My thoughts -

Let's put Weisher's brain in Mack's body - The excuses here for Alize are funny AF - produce or sit, there are only 5 TEs competing. Keep getting images of that Geico commercial where the alligator is (not) picking up the check any time I think of Alize's performance.

UGA has to worry about our OL/running game as much as we need to worry about theirs. Stop wringing your hands like a bunch of sissies and accept that fact we have the tools to be one of the top rushing teams in the country and Long ain't afraid to use them.

Still not convinced Temple is that great HOWEVER TWO D-II SCHOOLS BEAT D-I SCHOOLS THIS WEEKEND. The talent level of teams #5-#50 is really not that different and it comes down to "any given Saturday" - and the next 50 are capable of humbling you if you don't show up. Handling lesser opponents in the fashion we stomped Temple is an important step that should be celebrated coming off a 4-8 season.
 

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I also really enjoyed him getting pumped for Weishar. He definitely looked more like a "players coach" than he did previously. Of course that's easy to do when your winning big.

Yep. Hopefully he doesn't go back to some of his old habits in a tight game.
 

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My thoughts -

Let's put Weisher's brain in Mack's body - The excuses here for Alize are funny AF - produce or sit, there are only 5 TEs competing. Keep getting images of that Geico commercial where the alligator is (not) picking up the check any time I think of Alize's performance.

UGA has to worry about our OL/running game as much as we need to worry about theirs. Stop wringing your hands like a bunch of sissies and accept that fact we have the tools to be one of the top rushing teams in the country and Long ain't afraid to use them.

Still not convinced Temple is that great HOWEVER TWO D-II SCHOOLS BEAT D-I SCHOOLS THIS WEEKEND. The talent level of teams #5-#50 is really not that different and it comes down to "any given Saturday" - and the next 50 are capable of humbling you if you don't show up. Handling lesser opponents in the fashion we stomped Temple is an important step that should be celebrated coming off a 4-8 season.

Actually there were 4 upsets by FCS (Formerly DI-AA) teams. They were not DII schools... Sorry pet peeve of mine when people call them DII.

Edit: One, JMU over East Carolina, wasn't even much of an upset really.
 
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My thoughts -

Let's put Weisher's brain in Mack's body - The excuses here for Alize are funny AF - produce or sit, there are only 5 TEs competing. Keep getting images of that Geico commercial where the alligator is (not) picking up the check any time I think of Alize's performance.

UGA has to worry about our OL/running game as much as we need to worry about theirs. Stop wringing your hands like a bunch of sissies and accept that fact we have the tools to be one of the top rushing teams in the country and Long ain't afraid to use them.

Still not convinced Temple is that great HOWEVER TWO D-II SCHOOLS BEAT D-I SCHOOLS THIS WEEKEND. The talent level of teams #5-#50 is really not that different and it comes down to "any given Saturday" - and the next 50 are capable of humbling you if you don't show up. Handling lesser opponents in the fashion we stomped Temple is an important step that should be celebrated coming off a 4-8 season.

Am I on crazy pills??

HE's PLAYED ONE GAME, with what, 6 targets (in the past two years)? What kind of sample size is this?
 

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Coach Elko

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No analysis below, just random share from attending the game:

Sat behind Coach Elko's family: aunt, uncle, adult cousins and niece. First, just terrific people. Nice, humble, enthusiastic.

A few things from the convo I thought you guys would like:

1. Coach's grandmother passed away 6 months before he got the ND offer. Get this: she was buried with a Fighting Irish blanket. She loved ND so much that her big TV would have the ND game on while the game he was coaching was relegated to her laptop screen.

2. Whole family loves ND in the same way. His aunt, who has attended over 10 ND games even though she lives in FL, brought some dirt from grandma's grave site so Coach could have his grandma's legacy there while he coached his first ND game.

3. Old Man Mike has mentioned this, but the family believes his ability to make in-game adjustments is his true gift. While we were discussing this, the aunt mentioned he's a Penn/Ivy League grad so she's not surprised he often outsmarts the enemy.

4. Coach Elko loves the young men on the team. Very bright group and thinks they are going to do very well together.

5. Not a quote from Coach Elko, but we did discuss conditioning and aunt did not think nutrition was much different but did think physical conditioning (weight room, endurance training) was going to make a major difference this year.

6. Families were all attending Mass after the game in the Basilica.

7. Coach's cousin, a little girl of about 8, knew at least 10x more than my wife did about the game!

It's big time football so who knows, but I walked away thinking his hire was truly a match made in Heaven.
 

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Be-YOU-ti-ful!!! What a piece of good fortune for ND.

Also says something about the negators who say Notre Dame is no longer a meaningful element in NCAA football.

I've felt that our defense was going to be good this first Elko year, and let the Kool-Aid alone at that. Now I'm really hoping that our born-to-be ND coach kicks butt all season.
 

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No analysis below, just random share from attending the game:

Sat behind Coach Elko's family: aunt, uncle, adult cousins and niece. First, just terrific people. Nice, humble, enthusiastic.

A few things from the convo I thought you guys would like:

1. Coach's grandmother passed away 6 months before he got the ND offer. Get this: she was buried with a Fighting Irish blanket. She loved ND so much that her big TV would have the ND game on while the game he was coaching was relegated to her laptop screen.

2. Whole family loves ND in the same way. His aunt, who has attended over 10 ND games even though she lives in FL, brought some dirt from grandma's grave site so Coach could have his grandma's legacy there while he coached his first ND game.

3. Old Man Mike has mentioned this, but the family believes his ability to make in-game adjustments is his true gift. While we were discussing this, the aunt mentioned he's a Penn/Ivy League grad so she's not surprised he often outsmarts the enemy.

4. Coach Elko loves the young men on the team. Very bright group and thinks they are going to do very well together.

5. Not a quote from Coach Elko, but we did discuss conditioning and aunt did not think nutrition was much different but did think physical conditioning (weight room, endurance training) was going to make a major difference this year.

6. Families were all attending Mass after the game in the Basilica.

7. Coach's cousin, a little girl of about 8, knew at least 10x more than my wife did about the game!

It's big time football so who knows, but I walked away thinking his hire was truly a match made in Heaven.

So what Im hearing you say is that he is the next ND coach
 

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Finally got around to watching the replay. Overall, I thought the Irish did what they needed to in the first game against a lesser opponent. A couple of quick observations. BW can't get hit that many times and survive the season. While it was his first start, he seemed to not "feel" some of the pressure. That will come as he gets more experience. Secondly, the defense was giving up too much up the middle. The stats show that the run game of Temple was stopped, but way too many times the LB didn't plug the gap and allowed the Temple RB to gain too much. Do that against better competition and the defense will be on it's heels a bit. Chubb is a monster up the middle so there is no time to wait to fix this issue. All in all, for me at least, the Irish looked better prepared, better focused, and more physically fit. I thought overall it was a good win and plenty of things learned to work on throughout the week to get better. Nice job Irish. Now, beat them Dogs.
 

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Honestly, it went almost exactly as I hoped. Not perfect, but A LOT better in almost every area. More natural enthusiasm and excitement, not forced like last year. Guys having fun, and encouraging each other, coaches to players included. Running the football effectively, and consistently, even when everyone knew you needed to!!! I thought as a whole, and as a unit, the defense looked night and day from the BVG teams. Both sides of the ball have work to do (so does every team), but I was encouraged by the immediate improvement I saw from both Long calling the shots, and the Elko make over.
 

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Almost forgot, not once did I think a kid looked physically outmatched in a conditioning sort of way. The rotation is obviously part of that, but I think Balis/Ballou/etc have made their presence felt, first in how the guys looked, and now in actually performing too.
 

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you guys reckon the defensive rotations will be as plentiful vs UGA?
 

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you guys reckon the defensive rotations will be as plentiful vs UGA?

Well supposedly they're getting MDT back too, which makes another big body available in the middle. That'd be pretty sweet. I think the rotations will still be happening (because Elko isn't dumb like BVG), but the starters will get more snaps comparatively than last week
 

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I got to continue the replay through the second half to monitor Kraemer/Hainsey and Martini/Coney.

1). Kraemer made essentially zero negative plays. Even when we ran right on 4th and two, he buried his man down inside two yards off the point of initial contact. That play was blown up by Temple because of poor TE blocking. Tommy doesn't always LOOK slick and pretty, but he did his job consistently.

Hainsey was pretty good. If he hadn't got two pre-snap twitch penalties he'd be excellent grade-wise. I saw only two bad misses on blocks. Bars actually had a tougher time reading twists and pulling or crossing than his RTs --- though that's a tough job. Weirdly, Q blew one block that almost got Wimbush in trouble. The poorest blocking was by the RBs, who still are typical RBs with little instincts for it.

2). Martini was pretty solid all around. Surprisingly, he and Coney played a fair bit with one another and with Morgan on the sidelines. This seemed to be a rotation of some almost mechanical sort just like the Kraemer/Hainsey rotation. I thought that (with all due respect to TTT) the linebacker fits were pretty good. Occasionally there was a gash. On one bad one, both Coney and Martini filled gaps, but the DLine got really tied up by the OLine. No one got off their blocks at all, and there were THREE gaps with only two LBs filling. Bonner finally discarded his blocker enough to make the tackle seven yards downfield. On one play we were blitzing and the RB hit a hole. Martini was blitzing one gap away, but the OLineman turned and hooked him --- no call. I could see the casual observer saying that Martini should have been quicker --- well, maybe Jaylon would have been able to overcome the hook but that's asking a lot. Overall, both Martini and Coney looked like they played slightly better than Morgan, but Morgan was OK.

Re-watching two of the so-called "problem areas" that people (including a rather unobservant Doug Flutie) keep mentioning, has led me to believe that those two areas are pretty darn good. If I wanted to worry about things they would be:
A). Get the RBs and the TEs blocking better. I think that will happen, as one of the two rookie TEs finally slammed into somebody at the goal-line rather than high-schooling it in there.
B). Pray that Wimbush gets cooler and more rapidly observant with more reps --- that should happen.
C). Get the DTs more violent and angrier in throwing OLinemen aside (at least a little bit.) I don't know if they have that in them.
D). Either tell CJSanders to hit the hole full-steam, and make somebody miss (I didn't think that he gained a yard that the blocking hadn't simply handed him), or get somebody like Finke or Williams back there on KOs.
E). Hope that Smythe isn't hurt. He is our best whether unspectacular or not. I'll bet that the OLine would only vote him as an honorary OLineman of all the TEs --- maybe the vastly underrated Weishaar.
F). Hope that Adams doesn't have a nagging injury --- they said cramps, but he was grabbing in the area of the hamstring.
 
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