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Says leftists don't want to talk about it....links an article from the Washington Post. WUT. Dude check out the "Most Read" section to the right of the article, it's #1 right now. So either the Washington Post isn't one of two main sources of "leftist news," or it is information that is being discussed.

To be fair, every single news outlet here is covering the hell out of the Rockville HS incidents. Rockville is not some super-dodgy area, it's in Montgomery County and it borders Potomac. For the most part, 270 corridor is full of business and affluence up to like exit 9. My office is off of exit 4, and is only a couple miles west of Rockville HS.

So WaPo, in this case, can just be considered local news. TDHeysus' point is that you'll find the case talked about at length on conservative media outlets (Fox News, Breitbart, etc.)... but there are zero stories about it on places like Jezebel, Vox, or Salon. And this is the kind of mention you get on Slate: Conservative media focused on an alleged rape in Maryland today.

Normally, a place like Jezebel would be all over this story. If it was a rich, white male you better believe they'd be screaming bloody murder about this story and rape culture. But because the attacker is brown and poor and an illegal immigrant, it doesn't fit "the narrative" so they won't even mention it. And anyone who does talk about it is a racist by default.
 

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There was a bit of a circus on campus today, with Charles Murray coming to speak about his book Coming Apart.

Some of my fellow graduate students circulated this frivolous and embarrassing statement (link is below), which reads as though it were written by a high-school freshman. It may be pabulum, but because it is left-wing pabulum, the Observer will dutifully publish it.

Graduate student statement on Charles Murray // The Observer

In fact, there is nothing that Murray has said about race and IQ that is inconsistent with the available evidence. For this reason, the statement resorts to fallacious ad hominem and guilt by association attacks ('he quotes people who are funded by people who we don't like,' etc.) All this in a statement full of unbearable self-praise about the mission of academics to spread knowledge, teach the young, blah, blah, blah.

The argument is essentially that if a scientific finding is upsetting enough, it should be discarded. But these same people celebrate someone like Giordano Bruno, who was also accused of heresy because he challenged assumptions widespread in that culture. Murray is doing the same thing, of course, but now the assumptions are too precious to be abandoned. Whatever these critics are engaged in, it is not "inquiry." It would be better described as propaganda.
 
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The argument is essentially that if a scientific finding is upsetting enough, it should be discarded. But these same people celebrate someone like Giordano Bruno, who was also accused of heresy because he challenged assumptions widespread in that culture.

Did you actually read that full wikipedia article? Terribly inapt comparison, particularly at a Catholic school.
 

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There was a bit of a circus on campus today, with Charles Murray coming to speak about his book Coming Apart.

Some of my fellow graduate students circulated this frivolous and embarrassing statement (link is below), which reads as though it were written by a high-school freshman. It may be pabulum, but because it is left-wing pabulum, the Observer will dutifully publish it.

Graduate student statement on Charles Murray // The Observer

In fact, there is nothing that Murray has said about race and IQ that is inconsistent with the available evidence. For this reason, the statement resorts to fallacious ad hominem and guilt by association attacks ('he quotes people who are funded by people who we don't like,' etc.) All this in a statement full of unbearable self-praise about the mission of academics to spread knowledge, teach the young, blah, blah, blah.

The argument is essentially that if a scientific finding is upsetting enough, it should be discarded. But these same people celebrate someone like Giordano Bruno, who was also accused of heresy because he challenged assumptions widespread in that culture. Murray is doing the same thing, of course, but now the assumptions are too precious to be abandoned. Whatever these critics are engaged in, it is not "inquiry." It would be better described as propaganda.

Is there any opinion that you hold that isn't entirely vile?
 

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Here we have a crude illustration of the non-response response to the evidence on IQ. Basically, "burn the books," point-and-sputter, etc. Nothing substantive at all.

I'm not in the mood to debate with you why I disagree with you that we should reject equality and/or discrimination on the premise of minorities and women being genetically inferior to white upper class males. Instead I'll just tell you that you are a racist asshole and no one likes you.

Btw, I have no issue with him speaking though. Just like I had no issue with the bevy of people you were appalled were speaking there. The irony.
 

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I'm not in the mood to debate with you why I disagree with you that we should reject equality and/or discrimination on the premise of minorities and women being genetically inferior to white upper class males. Instead I'll just tell you that you are a racist asshole and no one likes you.

Btw, I have no issue with him speaking though. Just like I had no issue with the bevy of people you were appalled were speaking there. The irony.

Now you're not in a mood to debate...but nobody made you reply to me, did they?

Have I rejected equality when I observe, for example, that nearly all of the fastest men in the world are black? Furthermore, you expect everyone to assume that genetics plays no role whatsoever in explaining that? That is implausible. Intelligence is not particularly different.

As for people speaking on campus, I want everyone to speak, too. I don't think everyone should be given an honorary degree and speak at Commencement, though. This is a basic distinction.
 

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Kansas is a deep red state with a trifecta of Republicans in charge of their House, Senate and Governorship. They made deep cuts in taxes in 2012 and 2013 and leaned government with the hope of attracting business to their state. For the last three years, budget shortfalls, due to slumps in agriculture and oil, have caused the legislature to pass a bill to raise some taxes after a large tax increase last year. Also, recently, the Republican-run legislature passed a bill to expand Medicare to take advantage of federal funding. The governor, Brownback, vetoed the bill. Their budget shortfall is now $1 billion until 2019, so, again, the legislature increased some taxes, which was also vetoed. Education has been hardest hit with the budget cuts and their latest cut was going to be $120 million - a 5% cut, which was being formulated in back rooms though word of that leaked out, enraging teachers who had not had raises in years. The legislature would have raised income taxes, though even that would not have sufficed. The state government would have to resort to emergency measures like stop borrowing to fund the government. Brownback has vowed to veto the bill formulated by his party. The legislature does not have the numbers to override. The teachers have sued and won a decision in their Supreme Court that the funding for education is already too low. This is the second such ruling on education funding. The legislature has proposed funding education with a $75 million increase, but the Court says that is not enough.
 
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Kansas is a deep red state with a trifecta of Republicans in charge of their House, Senate and Governorship. They made deep cuts in taxes in 2012 and 2013 and leaned government with the hope of attracting business to their state. For the last three years, budget shortfalls, due to slumps in agriculture and oil, have caused the legislature to pass a bill to raise some taxes after a large tax increase last year. Also, recently, the Republican-run legislature passed a bill to expand Medicare to take advantage of federal funding. The governor, Brownback, vetoed the bill. Their budget shortfall is now $1 billion until 2019, so, again, the legislature increased some taxes, which was also vetoed. Education has been hardest hit with the budget cuts and their latest cut was going to be $120 million - a 5% cut, which was being formulated in back rooms though word of that leaked out, enraging teachers who had not had raises in years. The legislature would have raised income taxes, though even that would not have sufficed. The state government would have to resort to emergency measures like stop borrowing to fund the government. Brownback has vowed to veto the bill formulated by his party. The legislature does not have the numbers to override. The teachers have sued and won a decision in their Supreme Court that the funding for education is already too low. This is the second such ruling on education funding. The legislature has proposed funding education with a $75 million increase, but the Court says that is not enough.

I don't pretend to know the merits of the case teachers brought, but I do believe those things should be duked out within the state....so fabulous...go Kansas...figure it out. Maybe they will have to come up with something that works...seems like Kansas couldn't pull off the industry growth, so, not too many other choices until they do...but to raise taxes.
 

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Sam Brownback is terrible unless you're deeply partisan and only see the (R) after his name. Ran Kansas into the ground and his reward was a second term. He and Bobby Jindal are peas in a pod in terms of the ideological damage they did to their respective states.
 

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In this thread by default:

Trends in Spending by the Department of Defense for Operation and Maintenance (CBO)

Not only is half the defense budget for Operations and Maintinence (above), but half the VA budget is for pay and pensions for personnel.

Of 19 million vets, 4 million have service-related disabilities - and rising. 1.2 million of those are rated 70% disabled or higher.

Interesting that the business of war is one of our nations biggest jobs and healthcare programs.
 

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I don't pretend to know the merits of the case teachers brought, but I do believe those things should be duked out within the state....so fabulous...go Kansas...figure it out. Maybe they will have to come up with something that works...seems like Kansas couldn't pull off the industry growth, so, not too many other choices until they do...but to raise taxes.

Brownback will veto any tax increase. The latest by the Rep legislature had them meeting the shortfall with increases on liquor, cigarettes, etc without any income tax raises. They will lose $100 million in federal funding since they are no longer in compliance. That cannot be reversed in the future. From 2008-14, in total state funding per student, adjusted for inflation, Kansas has a 14.8% cut in educaton. In 2015, education cuts were $50 million in 2015, $128 million proposed for this year on a $350 million budget shortfall. The shortfall will increase to $550 million next year. Another $200 million in education cuts for 2018? What will be the shortfall in 2019 and education cuts? Since most of those cuts prior to this year have been K-12 and still is, this year begins cuts to higher education.

In March, for the fifth month out of seven, Kansas lost revenue - $11 millon. In addition to education cutting programs, the state shows that 2.316 educators retired in the 2014-15 school year and 740 teachers left the profession and 654 left the state. The year before the numbers were 491 and 399 respectively. The loss of state and federal funding means that more of the revenue losses have to be made up by local taxes and on the backs of homeowners, though that is not really possible. Kansas home property values tanked with the recession in 2008 and have just now gotten back to pre-recession levels. That means less local tax and business revenue and homeowners' primary investment has no appreciation. Homeowners with two incomes, with one related to teaching, have to make tough choices on spending and future jobs.

In addition to education job losses and educators leaving the state or profession, the job losses for March are from the private sector as business leave Kansas. Due to teacher shortages, Kansas K-12 schools have had to shorten the school year, cut more programs, increase tuition for K-12, reduce state aid for students and hire substitute teachers for K-12 since they cannot fill current jobs. Fewer students are entering the profession and more choosing others since teachers are not getting raises and further education funding cuts loom.

Then there will be federal funding cuts for education under Trump. Overall, the Department of Education would take a hit of $9 billion, or 13.5 percent. Title II funding of $2.4 billion under the Every Student Succeeds Act for professional development and class-size reduction, would be eliminated, as would the 21st Century Community Learning Centers program, which is a $1.2 billion investment in community schools, before- and after-school programs, and summer programs.

Higher education support also take a hit: Trump's budget eliminates $732 billion in federal funding offered through the Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant program. It maintains the level funding of the Pell Grant program, but raids the so-called Pell surplus, stripping $3.9 billion from those reserves, which could be used to help more low-income students.

At the state level, Indiana schools, for instance, forecasts a $56 million loss in federal funds.

In Kansas, Brownback is sticking with his philosophy and the Republican legislature is saying that is not realistic. Recently, he submits his budget proposals as "drafts" which do not fall under Freedom of Information laws. So, any discussions with the legislature on those avoids transparency or feedback from citizenry until the "final" budget proposal. Previously, this was not done.


Interesting articles:
Starving the Beast in Kansas (by K. Williamson, National Review)

Full Kansas meltdown: revenue woes, no school funding plan, transgender bigotry (KC Star)

Kansas Underfunded Education And Cut Tenure. Now It Can’t Find Enough Teachers To Fill Classrooms. (Huffington Post)
“In the next three years I think we’ll have maybe the worst teacher shortage in the country — I think most of that is self-inflicted.”

After Nearly a Decade, School Investments Still Way Down in Some States (Ctr on Budget and Policy Priorities)

Brownback balances budgets on the back of teachers (Ks Nat'l Teachers Assoc)
 
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Brownback will veto any tax increase. The latest by the Rep legislature had them meeting the shortfall with increases on liquor, cigarettes, etc without any income tax raises. They will lose $100 million in federal funding since they are no longer in compliance. That cannot be reversed in the future. From 2008-14, in total state funding per student, adjusted for inflation, Kansas has a 14.8% cut in educaton. In 2015, education cuts were $50 million in 2015, $128 million proposed for this year on a $350 million budget shortfall. The shortfall will increase to $550 million next year. Another $200 million in education cuts for 2018? What will be the shortfall in 2019 and education cuts? Since most of those cuts prior to this year have been K-12 and still is, this year begins cuts to higher education.

In March, for the fifth month out of seven, Kansas lost revenue - $11 millon. In addition to education cutting programs, the state shows that 2.316 educators retired in the 2014-15 school year and 740 teachers left the profession and 654 left the state. The year before the numbers were 491 and 399 respectively. The loss of state and federal funding means that more of the revenue losses have to be made up by local taxes and on the backs of homeowners, though that is not really possible. Kansas home property values tanked with the recession in 2008 and have just now gotten back to pre-recession levels. That means less local tax and business revenue and homeowners' primary investment has no appreciation. Homeowners with two incomes, with one related to teaching, have to make tough choices on spending and future jobs.

In addition to education job losses and educators leaving the state or profession, the job losses for March are from the private sector as business leave Kansas. Due to teacher shortages, Kansas K-12 schools have had to shorten the school year, cut more programs, increase tuition for K-12, reduce state aid for students and hire substitute teachers for K-12 since they cannot fill current jobs. Fewer students are entering the profession and more choosing others since teachers are not getting raises and further education funding cuts loom.

Then there will be federal funding cuts for education under Trump. Overall, the Department of Education would take a hit of $9 billion, or 13.5 percent. Title II funding of $2.4 billion under the Every Student Succeeds Act for professional development and class-size reduction, would be eliminated, as would the 21st Century Community Learning Centers program, which is a $1.2 billion investment in community schools, before- and after-school programs, and summer programs.

Higher education support also take a hit: Trump's budget eliminates $732 billion in federal funding offered through the Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant program. It maintains the level funding of the Pell Grant program, but raids the so-called Pell surplus, stripping $3.9 billion from those reserves, which could be used to help more low-income students.

At the state level, Indiana schools, for instance, forecasts a $56 million loss in federal funds.

In Kansas, Brownback is sticking with his philosophy and the Republican legislature is saying that is not realistic. Recently, he submits his budget proposals as "drafts" which do not fall under Freedom of Information laws. So, any discussions on those by the legislature avoids transparency or feedback from citizenry.


Interesting articles:
Starving the Beast in Kansas (by K. Williamson, National Review)

Full Kansas meltdown: revenue woes, no school funding plan, transgender bigotry (KC Star)

Kansas Underfunded Education And Cut Tenure. Now It Can’t Find Enough Teachers To Fill Classrooms. (Huffington Post)
“In the next three years I think we’ll have maybe the worst teacher shortage in the country — I think most of that is self-inflicted.”

After Nearly a Decade, School Investments Still Way Down in Some States (Ctr on Budget and Policy Priorities)

Brownback balances budgets on the back of teachers (Ks Nat'l Teachers Assoc)

Thanks...This sucks for Kansas, but it looks like it kinda pulls the sheet back on education funding...I am excited to read...appreciate the references.
 

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Headline : Free College for SUNY, CUNY & Community Colleges!!

Actual information - To qualify, 15 credit hours per semester is required, which eliminates part-time students. The scholarship for those meeting the financial requirements only covers tuition. According to the SUNY, someone living on campus will still have $10k-$15k/ year in room/board, fees, book and supplies, etc. Since this doesn't cover part-time students who typically commute more, this will cover ~25-30% of actual costs for both SUNY and community colleges.

More over, this really doesn't give lower income students a leg up on traditional 4 year programs. First, the chancellor in the state has already said they have 0-5% capacity to take in additional students....so without infrastructure, no increase. Second, many of the people eligible for the program already pay no tuition. SUNY Chancellor Nancy Zimpher testified that only 80,000 students would be eligible for the program, compared to 440,000 in the college network. While that looks good on the surface, over 58% of current SUNY students receive the state TAP award, with over 67% of those students getting the full benefit of over $5k per year in tuition. Combined with Pell grants, nearly every student from a family making less than $75,000 per year already receives free tuition. The means this program's "winners" are those who come from families making between $75,000 and $125,000 per year, since they do not qualify for TAP and Pell.

Reality - Cuomo runs for President with this, minimum wage and other "social" feathers in his cap and is Bernie Sanders on steroids.

https://www.suny.edu/smarttrack/tuition-and-fees/
 

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Thanks...This sucks for Kansas, but it looks like it kinda pulls the sheet back on education funding...I am excited to read...appreciate the references.

No problem. Lots of impacts, but private sector job losses, too, and resultant state revenue losses is spiraling Kansas in the wrong direction that may take quite a long time for them to recover, if they do. Wichita is home of the Koch brothers.

Republicans wonder what's the matter with Kansas? (CNN, today)

Kansas public hospitals, employees and potential patients are contending with:

Editorial: Why do Kansas lawmakers think guns in hospitals are a good idea?
(KC Star)

The state’s senators and representatives have failed to exempt the University of Kansas Health System from a law that will allow concealed weapons to be carried in the state’s public buildings starting in July.

Already, executives are hearing from medical students who say they are hesitant to complete their residency in a place where guns are allowed. Patients say they will go elsewhere for care. Other hospitals, once eager to transfer their charges to the many highly specialized programs in the KU Health System, are warning that such arrangements are likely to slow when guns are permitted.

The perception of an unsafe environment is their reality.

Patients can and will choose to go elsewhere. Come July, the KU Health System will be the only such health care center in the area that will allow guns to be carried on the premises. Hospitals in Missouri are exempt from laws that allow people to carry guns more freely.
 
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Bottom Line: How State Budget Cuts Affect Your Education (NY Times, Nov, 2016)

Higher education has been an easy target for budget cuts since the 2008 recession, forcing many public universities to lay off faculty and staff members, postpone investment in new facilities and raise tuition and fees (up an average 31 percent for in-state students). State support for public two- and four-year colleges — funding is nearly $10 billion below what it was just before the recession — has begun to recover, though officials at the nation’s flagship universities say that doing more with less is the new norm. Some are even finding fresh ways to ease the financial burden on students.

Percentages indicate changes since 2008: in per-student state spending on higher education, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, and in tuition/fees, adjusted for inflation.

Google - State Education cuts - for more articles for specific states' cuts.
 

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There was a bit of a circus on campus today, with Charles Murray coming to speak about his book Coming Apart.

Some of my fellow graduate students circulated this frivolous and embarrassing statement (link is below), which reads as though it were written by a high-school freshman. It may be pabulum, but because it is left-wing pabulum, the Observer will dutifully publish it.

Graduate student statement on Charles Murray // The Observer

In fact, there is nothing that Murray has said about race and IQ that is inconsistent with the available evidence. For this reason, the statement resorts to fallacious ad hominem and guilt by association attacks ('he quotes people who are funded by people who we don't like,' etc.) All this in a statement full of unbearable self-praise about the mission of academics to spread knowledge, teach the young, blah, blah, blah.

The argument is essentially that if a scientific finding is upsetting enough, it should be discarded. But these same people celebrate someone like Giordano Bruno, who was also accused of heresy because he challenged assumptions widespread in that culture. Murray is doing the same thing, of course, but now the assumptions are too precious to be abandoned. Whatever these critics are engaged in, it is not "inquiry." It would be better described as propaganda.

Wooly referred to Murray's stance on the intelligence of women, but. among other quotes, Murray has said:

"no woman has been a significant original thinker in any of the world's great philosophical traditions. In the sciences, the most abstract field is mathematics, where the number of great female mathematicians is approximately two (Emmy Noether definitely, Sonya Kovalevskaya maybe). In the other hard sciences, the contributions of great women have usually been empirical rather than theoretical, with leading cases in point being Henrietta Leavitt, Dorothy Hodgkin, Lise Meitner, Irene Joliot-Curie and Marie Curie herself."

His opinions on the differences in the sexes:
Where Are the Female Einsteins?

Do you believe that Charles Murray's beliefs are contrary to Catholic teaching and principles? If so, on what grounds should Murray be speaking at a Catholic university?

Do you know if he has factored in environmental factors that could impair achievement and intelligence such as lead levels in water that affect children that would disproportionately affect races? I realize that his conclusions are derived from an approach that:
1. The differences I discuss involve means and distributions. In all cases, the variation within groups is greater than the variation between groups. On psychological and cognitive dimensions, some members of both sexes fall everywhere along the range.

So, do you think that approach using means and distributions is worth coming to general conclusions on race, sex, and social policy?
 
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O'Reilly out at Fox News.

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Gov. Kay Ivey takes a chainsaw to Luther Strange. Now what? (al.com)

Timberrr.

That's the sound of 6-foot-9 Sen. Luther Strange falling flat on his face.

It's a long way down.

Gov. Kay Ivey did it. In unwinding the warped world of ex-Gov. Robert Bentley she today set a special election to fill the senate seat vacated by Jeff Sessions and assumed by Big Luther. The primary will be August 15, which is practically right on top of us.

Which means all Strange's backroom bargaining amounts to nothing but stinky Montgomery cheese. Which means America's tallest senator may become one of the shortest-lasting.....
 

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Overall outlook on our gov during the last three admins:

2005-... okay, well, this has to get better soon, just hang tight.
2010-... Jeebus Fuck! How the hell did this happen?! Can't get worse.
2017-... So yeah.... I hear real estate in Costa Rica is really cheap these days...
 

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This.... the Republican party is no longer the "conservative" party. They are simply the populist party. A party that focuses on strong nationalism and protectionism. Neither of which are conservative principles. It was the fear of many conservatives had during the election, which was the hard decision of voting for a woman that stood for everything they were against, or the guy that could single handily take down the principles of their party.

There are no William F Buckley's in this party anymore.
 
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