Politics

[pkt77242]

California needs to learn from Southern AZ. Down here many new homes are putting fake grass in their backyard, and we stick to desert landscape in the front. Fucking Cali.



*Though at my previous two houses I was one of those jackasses with grass in my backyard.

 

[ACamp1900]

Everyone has grass in Redlands, even now.. I will say this, the desert landscaping and fake grass is catching hold, I know a few people that are trying to jump on that train right now actually...

 

[pkt77242]

Everyone has grass in Redlands, even now.. I will say this, the desert landscaping and fake grass is catching hold, I know a few people that are trying to jump on that train right now actually...

Our house in Redlands had grass in the front and back. I love my water bill now that I am in Southern AZ with only a few trees (for shade during the summer) and a couple of flowers to water.

 

[Bluto]

Ehhhhh clean fresh water is a problem everywhere. Plenty of environmentally conscious people are aware of it. Politicians and the common lay person in developed countries however don't give two shits. I had a whole class on global water sources. It's a definite concern.

That's why China invaded Tibet. Pretty sure all of Chinas major rivers have their headwaters in the Himalayas. As crazy as it sounds there were a bunch of people back in the 30's in the intermountain west that had devised schemes and plans for pipelines to carry water from Canada to California, Arizona, ect...and they even felt if Canada didn't play nice war would be justifiable.

At this point California needs to reassess how much AG contributes to the State Economy (2 % of GDP according to some sources) as a whole and whether that justifies the resources consumed. Would a healthy fishing industry based on restoring the hydrology of the San Joaquin and Sacramento River deltas that would then support a restored pacific salmon population provide more economic benefit and be more sustainable? The Ag economy in Cali has been and probably allways will be super one sided in terms of whom it benefits. It is dominated by large corporations for the most part who rely on super cheap, more often than not undocumented labor and or mechanization. So it's not a big time job creator as a whole. As to who consumes it's products a large percentage of the nuts produced in California are processed and shipped to China for consumption. It's also interesting to note that in California there is a strong correlation between the poverty level of areas and those areas reliance on AG as a major factor in their economies.

I think Texas and Florida are going to be looking at serious water issues in the very near future. Texas due to population growth exceeding its resource capacity in terms of water and Florida due to salt water intrusion into its ground water supply due to sea level rise associated with climate change.

Anyhow, if any of you all are interested in "the book" on western water use read Caddillac Desert by Marc Reisner

In summation A Camp should be able to keep his pool because it is less than a drop in a rather large bucket.

 

[Cackalacky]

That's why China invaded Tibet. Pretty sure all of Chinas major rivers have their headwaters in the Himalayas. As crazy as it sounds there were a bunch of people back in the 30's in the intermountain west that had devised schemes and plans for pipelines to carry water from Canada to California, Arizona, ect...and they even felt if Canada didn't play nice war would be justifiable.

At this point California needs to reassess how much AG contributes to the State Economy (2 % of GDP according to some sources) as a whole and whether that justifies the resources consumed. Would a healthy fishing industry based on restoring the hydrology of the San Joaquin and Sacramento River deltas that would then support a restored pacific salmon population provide more economic benefit and be more sustainable? The Ag economy in Cali has been and probably allways will be super one sided in terms of whom it benefits. It is dominated by large corporations for the most part who rely on super cheap, more often than not undocumented labor and or mechanization. So it's not a big time job creator as a whole. As to who consumes it's products a large percentage of the nuts produced in California are processed and shipped to China for consumption. It's also interesting to note that in California there is a strong correlation between the poverty level of areas and those areas reliance on AG as a major factor in their economies.

I think Texas and Florida are going to be looking at serious water issues in the very near future. Texas due to population growth exceeding its resource capacity in terms of water and Florida due to salt water intrusion into its ground water supply due to sea level rise associated with climate change.

Anyhow, if any of you all are interested in "the book" on western water use read Caddillac Desert by Marc Reisner

In summation A Camp should be able to keep his pool because it is less than a drop in a rather large bucket.

Not looking to good for the US.

 

[ACamp1900]

Not looking to good for the US.

eh, everyone can just move to Maine....

 

[woolybug25]

Not looking to good for the US.

Kinda crazy that Michigan has poor sustainability spots, considering they have direct access to 21% of the entire planet's fresh surface water (84% of the country's). Says something about how under attack the resource actually is...

Where did this graph come from? I ask because i'm not sure how they came up with the data. For instance, they have the area of Denver as a pocket of low/moderate risk. That simply isn't accurate.

 

[Cackalacky]

Kinda crazy that Michigan has poor sustainability spots, considering they have direct access to 21% of the entire planet's fresh surface water (84% of the country's). Says something about how under attack the resource actually is...

Those look like Detroit and Grand Rapids Areas. Typically freshwater is pulled from the ground, not surface waters. Once the sewage and wastewaters have been treated and filtered, that water gets put into surface waters.


Here is the methodology:

For the purpose of this analysis, we project future water demand
and supply. Demand is projected based upon a business-as-usual
scenario of continued population growth and associated energy
and cooling water needs. Supply—or available precipitation—is
estimated from current and future temperature and precipitation
scenarios, obtained from an ensemble of global climate models. The
analysis then compares future demand to future supply to provide
an initial assessment of water resources sustainability across the
nation—resolved at the county level, the best resolution for water
use information—and helps identify areas most likely to be adversely
impacted by increasing water demand and climate change. For a
much more detailed description of methodology, please go to .

It would appear that either Denver has good use management program or is not expected to withdraw more than what it is currently.

Document is here:http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/watersustainability/files/WaterRisk.pdf

 

[Ndaccountant]

If this really has been going on........just wow.

Shock Video Catches Planned Parenthood's Top Doctor Selling Body Parts of Aborted Babies | LifeNews.com

 

[woolybug25]

If this really has been going on........just wow.

Shock Video Catches Planned Parenthood's Top Doctor Selling Body Parts of Aborted Babies | LifeNews.com

I'm not buying it. With a quick google search, there is nobody reporting this except Life News (a pro life site) and RedState.com.

You never know, but i'll wait until its a story vetted by real news organizations, not a hack organization with a sole purpose of trying to fight abortion laws. It's certainly worth following, but I find the entire story quite unbelievable. Whether it's a false sting or not, I hope they are fully investigated.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I'm not buying it. With a quick google search, there is nobody reporting this except Life News (a pro life site) and RedState.com.

You never know, but i'll wait until its a story vetted by real news organizations, not a hack organization with a sole purpose of trying to fight abortion laws. It's certainly worth following, but I find the entire story quite unbelievable. Whether it's a false sting or not, I hope they are fully investigated.

I did the same thing. It's all conservative sites, but it's still very new. So it's possible that the MSM hasn't gotten the full story yet. Sounds bad though.

 

[GoldenDome]

My lawn is dead and I will be going turf. Damn you Jerry Brown and the Governator for not having any foresight.

 

[woolybug25]

Here's the thing with water. It's an elephant in the room that nobody in the international community wants to talk about. The reality is that our world population is skyrocketing, if you look at the pace of growth over history. Here is a graph of world population growth.

To assume that this rate will flatline or even moderate is unrealistic. So how do you feed these people? How do you provide energy to these people? How do you prevent global pandemic? Water is the key element to all of this. It's that important of an issue and no one in politics is talking about it.

 

[RDU Irish]

As disgusting as it is, I don't really have a problem with sale of body parts and better to benefit science than end up in the incinerator. While this is lumped in with the concept of abortion, it is a separate issue in my mind.

On the other end of the spectrum, organ donors are paid nothing and there is supposedly a shortage. Why not offer compensation to increase supply and help those in need?

That being said, if true, this story will blow up like a m-fer.

 

[RDU Irish]

Here's the thing with water. It's an elephant in the room that nobody in the international community wants to talk about. The reality is that our world population is skyrocketing, if you look at the pace of growth over history. Here is a graph of world population growth.

To assume that this rate will flatline or even moderate is unrealistic. So how do you feed these people? How do you provide energy to these people? How do you prevent global pandemic? Water is the key element to all of this. It's that important of an issue and no one in politics is talking about it.

As further proof that HOAs are evil, our last one pretty much demanded everyone grow Fescue and get irrigation. With zero topsoil in a clear cut new development you have to dump a ton of water to keep that stuff alive in this area.

 

[IrishLax]

We strike a deal with Iran and people talking about water?

 

[ACamp1900]

We strike a deal with Iran and people talking about water?

squirrel!!

 

[zelezo vlk]

squirrel!!

My favorite movie!

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[IrishJayhawk]

We strike a deal with Iran and people talking about water?

Waiting to hear more about it, frankly. I'm hearing cheering from one side and bloviating from the other. Seems to take away a lot of their capability and can easily be voided if they don't come through on any part of the deal.

 

[phgreek]

I don't think he was implying that you did, but I think its also over-simplistic to simply say "As California Goes, As Does The Country". The better question is, "Does it have to"? If the 7th largest economy in the world is that easily susceptible, then that in and of itself, something we need to address. The reality is that your original comment about this being a topic worthy of debate is dead on. The conversation needs to happen, and that conversation most likely, needs to include how we start the process of diversifying that economy into other states. As our country is too heavily focused in regions that cannot support their own infrastructure needs.

Bingo.

I've seen the underhanded BS Nevada has tried to pull. What in God's name does Nevada produce that is so freaking water hungry besides Casinos and related industry? Enough already. In terms of California. What can't be done in Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas?

If water needs are outpacing replenishment....STOP, move your shit to water! I know, overly simplistic Sam Kinnison logic, but before I support fucking pipelines for water, someone better apply some basic logic...Good Hell.

 

[RDU Irish]

We strike a deal with Iran and people talking about water?

Contracts are only as good as the people who sign them, ergo anything Iran signs is toilet paper to me.

Add to that miniscule potential for any methods of monitoring and/or enforcing this deal due to inept administration and I'm not even wasting any time looking into it.

 

[RDU Irish]

Bingo.

I've seen the underhanded BS Nevada has tried to pull. What in God's name does Nevada produce that is so freaking water hungry besides Casinos and related industry? Enough already. In terms of California. What can't be done in Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas?

If water needs are outpacing replenishment....STOP, move your shit to water! I know, overly simplistic Sam Kinnison logic, but before I support fucking pipelines for water, someone better apply some basic logic...Good Hell.

Those states don't border Mexico so there is a bit of a harvesting problem.

God forbid we return to an age of seasonal produce.

 

[Cackalacky]

Those states don't border Mexico so there is a bit of a harvesting problem.

God forbid we return to an age of seasonal produce.

We have a farm here in Charleston that I belong to which is a local collective CSA (community supported agriculture). I pay "x" dollars per season and I get a share of the seasonal veggies and fruit, herbs, tubers etc. Its actually quite awesome. Its enough for me and my wife for 4 months per share.

They are planning a livestock portion as well. Can't wait to get my whole/half hogs.

 

[phgreek]

We have a farm here in Charleston that I belong to which is a local collective CSA (community supported agriculture). I pay "x" dollars per season and I get a share of the seasonal veggies and fruit, herbs, tubers etc. Its actually quite awesome. Its enough for me and my wife for 4 months per share.

They are planning a livestock portion as well. Can't wait to get my whole/half hogs.

Hell Yea...love the hear it.

 

[RDU Irish]

We have a farm here in Charleston that I belong to which is a local collective CSA (community supported agriculture). I pay "x" dollars per season and I get a share of the seasonal veggies and fruit, herbs, tubers etc. Its actually quite awesome. Its enough for me and my wife for 4 months per share.

They are planning a livestock portion as well. Can't wait to get my whole/half hogs.

That is a cool concept. How does the cost compare to buying from the store?

Some of the buy-local/delivery concepts have looked expensive to me and tend to load you up on crap nobody eats (i.e. kale and beets). Also annoying that the farmer market is a lot more expensive than grocery store most of the time. If I'm supposedly buying wholesale without the storefront overhead I expect it to cost less, especially in bulk.

The livestock thing is well worth the cost of a deep freeze. Good stuff.

 

[ACamp1900]

If (insert political issue or talking point) are outpacing replenishment....STOP, move your shit to (something that actually makes sense logically and isn't based on fucking feelings and emotions)! I know, overly simplistic Sam Kinnison logic, but before I support fucking (More political talking points), someone better apply some basic logic...Good Hell.

pretty much my general feelings on anything government related these days...

 

[woolybug25]

pretty much my general feelings on anything government related these days...

but your pool, man...

 

[ACamp1900]

but your pool, man...

#DroppinDaPersepctive

 

[ab2cmiller]

We strike a deal with Iran and people talking about water?

That's because everyone knows that there is nothing to worry about. I mean Iran is certainly trustworthy and it's not like the world is in any immediate danger. Iran won't have enough material for a bomb for 10 years, that's like forever.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

That is a cool concept. How does the cost compare to buying from the store?

Some of the buy-local/delivery concepts have looked expensive to me and tend to load you up on crap nobody eats (i.e. kale and beets). Also annoying that the farmer market is a lot more expensive than grocery store most of the time. If I'm supposedly buying wholesale without the storefront overhead I expect it to cost less, especially in bulk.

The livestock thing is well worth the cost of a deep freeze. Good stuff.

I've done that in a couple of states. It's generally more expensive, but the stuff is very good. It's local and very seasonal. You also meet the farmer. They're not loaded. They charge as much as they have to in order to be functional. They're just not huge corporations.

Also, I love kale and beets (both in moderation).