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    Votes: 172 48.9%
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    Votes: 46 13.1%
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FLDomer

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Just had open enrollment for my employee healthcare. I will be paying $10 more a paycheck to have myself and my 2 children covered, which doesnt sound too bad but before I paid $10 less to have myself, my wife and my children covered (would roughly cost double current cost to have my wife on also)...The killer now is, if my wife was on my plan she would be charged a sur-charge (roughly $50 a paycheck) because her employee offers health insurance, and vice versa me on her plan. So she is getting another plan through her employer to cover herself alone (high deduct HSA). So in reality, as a family we are paying roughly $70 more a month, with a much higher premium for substanially less coverage.

The change seems to make sense, ya know with the Affordable Healthcare, and the focus to build the middle class..
 

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Just had open enrollment for my employee healthcare. I will be paying $10 more a paycheck to have myself and my 2 children covered, which doesnt sound too bad but before I paid $10 less to have myself, my wife and my children covered (would roughly cost double current cost to have my wife on also)...The killer now is, if my wife was on my plan she would be charged a sur-charge (roughly $50 a paycheck) because her employee offers health insurance, and vice versa me on her plan. So she is getting another plan through her employer to cover herself alone (high deduct HSA). So in reality, as a family we are paying roughly $70 more a month, with a much higher premium for substanially less coverage.

The change seems to make sense, ya know with the Affordable Healthcare, and the focus to build the middle class..

Welcome to fundamental transformation. Forget the lower class, middle class, and upper class. It's the political class then all the little subjects.
 

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Written by corporations, for corporations.

Just like 99% of what Congress does.

Can someone make a list of net positives the feds have actually done in the last fifty years? I'm totally serious here. Go. I'm not saying they don't exist, I'm just honestly struggling to come up with a homerun law/policy.

They ended Don't Ask Don't Tell! Well, they did start it. Net negative.

Carter opening up craft beer brewing for everyone! Well...they just undid their pointless laws.

Seriously name some.

Kind of a ridiculous question given the disagreement about what is a pointless law or not. I don't want to argue about all of these, so let me just say that I recognize that not everyone agrees - thee reflect my opinion, that's it. But a few examples off the top of my head:

- EITC
- Medicare prescription drug benefit
- state child health insurance
- food stamps
- Hope VI

these are policies that do what they're intended to do, and do it well.

more recently, the stimulus was, in my mind, probably the most successful federal piece of legislation of the past 40 years or so, and almost certainly the most efficient (things could have been much worse is not a great sales pitch, but it is very true).

over a longer timeframe, the fed gov't has been the driver of science and health technology, the sole source of knowledge about climate change and protection of the environment.

kind of important stuff.
 

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Just had open enrollment for my employee healthcare. I will be paying $10 more a paycheck to have myself and my 2 children covered, which doesnt sound too bad but before I paid $10 less to have myself, my wife and my children covered (would roughly cost double current cost to have my wife on also)...The killer now is, if my wife was on my plan she would be charged a sur-charge (roughly $50 a paycheck) because her employee offers health insurance, and vice versa me on her plan. So she is getting another plan through her employer to cover herself alone (high deduct HSA). So in reality, as a family we are paying roughly $70 more a month, with a much higher premium for substanially less coverage.

The change seems to make sense, ya know with the Affordable Healthcare, and the focus to build the middle class..

That has nothing to do with the ACA. It's been that way for quite awhile. If someone is eligible for coverage through their employer, they are supposed to be on that plan if the employer is paying for part of the coverage. Obviously if she's on your plan that cost your employer more and saves her company money, so that's why the surcharge is there.

There are also tax implications I believe for employers, but not sure on that.
 
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Kind of a ridiculous question given the disagreement about what is a pointless law or not. I don't want to argue about all of these, so let me just say that I recognize that not everyone agrees - thee reflect my opinion, that's it. But a few examples off the top of my head:

- EITC
- Medicare prescription drug benefit
- state child health insurance
- food stamps
- Hope VI

these are policies that do what they're intended to do, and do it well.

more recently, the stimulus was, in my mind, probably the most successful federal piece of legislation of the past 40 years or so, and almost certainly the most efficient (things could have been much worse is not a great sales pitch, but it is very true).
over a longer timeframe, the fed gov't has been the driver of science and health technology, the sole source of knowledge about climate change and protection of the environment.

kind of important stuff.

You can't be serious. A $1 trillion dollar legislation that provided very temporary relief to state and local governments, and the unemployment rate went up. We need roads, bridges, teachers and firefighters, but that's not the backbone of a strong economy.
 

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Welcome to fundamental transformation. Forget the lower class, middle class, and upper class. It's the political class then all the little subjects.

Again you don't know what you're talking about. What he's describing has nothing to do with the ACA.

(I look forward to links and articles you'll post with other people's opinions though)
 
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Again you don't know what you're talking about. What he's describing has nothing to do with the ACA.

My point was that the politicians who passed this garbage don't have to suffer with it like so many will. They decided it isn't good enough for them and exempted themselves.

Obama: This is not a tax.
Reality: Yes it is, says the Supreme Court.

Pelosi: We need to pass this so you can see what's in it.
America: We see what's in it, and we don't like it. Sticker shock sucks.

Reid: People love obamacare, and they'll love it even more.
America: 50% of us want this disaster repealed.
 

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My point was that the politicians who passed this garbage don't have to suffer with it like so many will. They decided it isn't good enough for them and exempted themselves.

Obama: This is not a tax.
Reality: Yes it is, says the Supreme Court.

Pelosi: We need to pass this so you can see what's in it.
America: We see what's in it, and we don't like it. Sticker shock sucks.

Reid: People love obamacare, and they'll love it even more.
America: 50% of us want this disaster repealed.

Your point was to try and blame bullish!t on the ACA.
 

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That has nothing to do with the ACA. It's been that way for quite awhile. If someone is eligible for coverage through their employer, they are supposed to be on that plan if the employer is paying for part of the coverage. Obviously if she's on your plan that cost your employer more and saves her company money, so that's why the surcharge is there.

There are also tax implications I believe for employers, but not sure on that.

The increase has NEVER been this big and we did not have a surcharge in our previous plans. If we kept the same plan and same people on the plan it went up over 100% in cost.....On the paper work it says these changes are in line with the new rules of the ACA...
 

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The increase has NEVER been this big and we did not have a surcharge in our previous plans. If we kept the same plan and same people on the plan it went up over 100% in cost.....On the paper work it says these changes are in line with the new rules of the ACA...

I'll ask my HR person today and get back to you. Spouse eligibility verification has been out for quite awhile with most insurers ans employers.
 

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I'll ask my HR person today and get back to you. Spouse eligibility verification has been out for quite awhile with most insurers ans employers.

Maybe I never noticed it before but I sure as fack noticed the 100% increase! That is pretty darn big increase when Im trying to provide for a family, support a home, apparently pay for others healthcare and not be a leech on society... I dont know how its hard to see the "Middle Class" is getting weakened by act from a man who said he care so much about the middle class. Actions speak louder than words imo.
 

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Maybe I never noticed it before but I sure as fack noticed the 100% increase! That is pretty darn big increase when Im trying to provide for a family, support a home, apparently pay for others healthcare and not be a leech on society... I dont know how its hard to see the "Middle Class" is getting weakened by act from a man who said he care so much about the middle class. Actions speak louder than words imo.

Here's a brief on part of what I'm talking about. See F ( that's from 2004)

Issue Brief No. 83
 
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I'll ask my HR person today and get back to you. Spouse eligibility verification has been out for quite awhile with most insurers ans employers.

While surcharges have been around, many employers since the ACA have been eliminating them from coverage in the most extreme cases and charging more for them in mild cases. The reason for the change is ACA forces some services to be automatically covered in each plan (and in some cases, eliminating co-pays), so the overall cost to cover someone is naturally going up. Now, for some groups it may not be much depending on what the plan covered previously, but for others, it may be a sharp increase. It really depends on the plan itself, but generally speaking, a good portion of plans did not have all of the "mandatory" services now called for (or charged different co-pays) and employers are adjusting accordingly.
 

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Kind of a ridiculous question given the disagreement about what is a pointless law or not. I don't want to argue about all of these, so let me just say that I recognize that not everyone agrees - thee reflect my opinion, that's it. But a few examples off the top of my head:

- EITC
- Medicare prescription drug benefit
- state child health insurance
- food stamps
- Hope VI

these are policies that do what they're intended to do, and do it well.

more recently, the stimulus was, in my mind, probably the most successful federal piece of legislation of the past 40 years or so, and almost certainly the most efficient (things could have been much worse is not a great sales pitch, but it is very true).

over a longer timeframe, the fed gov't has been the driver of science and health technology, the sole source of knowledge about climate change and protection of the environment.

kind of important stuff.

I agree that that HOPE VI programs did good things; it reduced density of public housing. That said, the problem that it was attempting to remedy was caused by other Government Housing Programs...so while it was a positive, was addressing a gov't caused negative.

By the way in my previous profession I use to work to provide funding to low income housing. In doing this we saw all the waste within the Fed Gov't programs (Section 8, 236, and etc.).

It's absolutely obscene the about of money that flows through HUD...and the housing units were absolutely frightening. Some of the worst units I ever saw were in Newark and Washington DC. In South Carolina and Georgia, I also saw some that were almost nothing more than painted cinder-block walls .

My fear is that the this is what will happen to our healthcare system.

Judging by the amount of $ spent, the gov't subsidizes up to what the median income earner could achieve; but judging by the quality of product delivered, they get units that have (in some cases) raw sewage that backs up on a regular basis.

It was some of the saddest things I'd seen. It was then that I realized what Bono said earlier this year, "Aid is just a stopgap. Commerce and entrepreneurial capitalism take more people out of poverty than aid does."

In general:
Government Programs (reduced options):
Intent = great;
Result = poor.

Free Market (individual choice):
Intent = to make money;
Result = Pay only for items you deem acceptable.
 

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While surcharges have been around, many employers since the ACA have been eliminating them from coverage in the most extreme cases and charging more for them in mild cases. The reason for the change is ACA forces some services to be automatically covered in each plan (and in some cases, eliminating co-pays), so the overall cost to cover someone is naturally going up. Now, for some groups it may not be much depending on what the plan covered previously, but for others, it may be a sharp increase. It really depends on the plan itself, but generally speaking, a good portion of plans did not have all of the "mandatory" services now called for (or charged different co-pays) and employers are adjusting accordingly.

So now, there's reduced choice for the consumer.

The ACA is awesome.
 

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I agree that that HOPE VI programs did good things; it reduced density of public housing. That said, the problem that it was attempting to remedy was caused by other Government Housing Programs...so while it was a positive, was addressing a gov't caused negative.

By the way in my previous profession I use to work to provide funding to low income housing. In doing this we saw all the waste within the Fed Gov't programs (Section 8, 236, and etc.).

It's absolutely obscene the about of money that flows through HUD...and the housing units were absolutely frightening. Some of the worst units I ever saw were in Newark and Washington DC. In South Carolina and Georgia, I also saw some that were almost nothing more than painted cinder-block walls .

My fear is that the this is what will happen to our healthcare system.

Judging by the amount of $ spent, the gov't subsidizes up to what the median income earner could achieve; but judging by the quality of product delivered, they get units that have (in some cases) raw sewage that backs up on a regular basis.

It was some of the saddest things I'd seen. It was then that I realized what Bono said earlier this year, "Aid is just a stopgap. Commerce and entrepreneurial capitalism take more people out of poverty than aid does."

In general:
Government Programs (reduced options):
Intent = great;
Result = poor.

Free Market (individual choice):
Intent = to make money;
Result = Pay only for items you deem acceptable.

When those high-rises were built they represented an enormous improvement over unregulated, private slums that were rampant across urban America. Millions of Americans lived in conditions that resemble the housing in third world countries - unsafe structures, fire hazards, severe overcrowding, unsanitary slums that stretched across entire segments of cities.

Public housing projects were places in which low and middle class families from all racial and ethnic groups wanted to live. When federal funding for housing was slashed beginning in the 1970s, but more rapidly in the 1980s, the housing fell apart. What happened was entirely predictable - public housing became like the slums that the projects replaced. They became dilapidated structures that were not maintained and were not policed. The story of public housing is not a story about how government programs never work - it's a story about what happens when public programs are abandoned and de-funded.
 

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Kind of a ridiculous question given the disagreement about what is a pointless law or not. I don't want to argue about all of these, so let me just say that I recognize that not everyone agrees - thee reflect my opinion, that's it. But a few examples off the top of my head:

- EITC
- Medicare prescription drug benefit
- state child health insurance
- food stamps
- Hope VI

these are policies that do what they're intended to do, and do it well.

more recently, the stimulus was, in my mind, probably the most successful federal piece of legislation of the past 40 years or so, and almost certainly the most efficient (things could have been much worse is not a great sales pitch, but it is very true).

over a longer timeframe, the fed gov't has been the driver of science and health technology, the sole source of knowledge about climate change and protection of the environment.

kind of important stuff.

???? to the bolded part. There aren't any private organizations or universities doing research and advocacy with regard to environmental issues/climate change? That's how I'm reading your statement and it's patently false.
 

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???? to the bolded part. There aren't any private organizations or universities doing research and advocacy with regard to environmental issues/climate change? That's how I'm reading your statement and it's patently false.

not worded precisely. I should have said the main (not 'sole') driver of research on climate change. Almost all of the research on climate change, which is mainly conducted at universities, is funded by the federal government.
 

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The increase has NEVER been this big and we did not have a surcharge in our previous plans. If we kept the same plan and same people on the plan it went up over 100% in cost.....On the paper work it says these changes are in line with the new rules of the ACA...

Doesn't that mean that it is in compliance with the law? I don't have all the facts in front of me, but your additional charges aren't necessarily because of the law if that is what your paperwork says.
 

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Doesn't that mean that it is in compliance with the law? I don't have all the facts in front of me, but your additional charges aren't necessarily because of the law if that is what your paperwork says.

See my post above.

With the exchanges now open, employers have the ability to cut spouses from coverage in the most extreme cases or charge more for them. The reason they are doing this is that changes in coverage over the last 2+ years have increased costs overall. But up until this point, employers really had no option but to suck it up, eat a good portion of it and pass along a portion of it. Now that the exchanges are open, they know there are other avenues to get insurance and are putting pressure on the individual to determine if it is worth it or not.

IMO, this was all by design in the ACA with the employer mandate with the ultimate goal of becoming single payer.
 

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But they are deniers, clinging to their backwards, hate filled ways…
 

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AmCon's Pat Deenen just published an article on the state of representative government in America:

While much aspersion has been cast upon some of the leading villains who have engineered the latest imbroglio in Washington, D.C.—Ted Cruz, the Tea Party, the Republicans, among those most often named—it is at least instructive to stand back from the current moment and consider the curious status of representation itself in today’s political circumstance. For we have neither of the two proposed forms of representation that were debated at the creation of America, but instead a hybrid that, arguably, combines the worst of both without the virtues of either.

Mostly forgotten today is that a major source of debate during the original ratification debates between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists was the very nature of representation, and in particular, the role that would be played by elected officials along with their relationship to the citizenry. The debate especially touched on respective views of the organization of the House of Representatives, but more broadly implicated the very nature of representation itself. According to the Federalists—those who sought ratification and eventually carried the day—the Constitution aimed at the creation of fairly large districts with numerous constituents, better to decrease the likelihood of passionate political expressions and participation by the electorate. Larger districts would, they hoped, make it more likely that only the most successful and visible people would be sufficiently identifiable by a larger electorate, ensuring the election of “fit characters” to office who, they also hoped, would better be able to discern the public good than if the entire body of the people had been gathered for that purpose.

The Anti-Federalists, by contrast, argued for relatively small and homogenous districts in which there would be frequent rotation in office and shorter terms (a year, at most), thereby ensuring that representatives would be drawn from the body of the citizens, and that there would be a close bond between constituents and their representatives. Rather than hoping for representatives who would be prominent, visible and “fit,” instead they hoped representatives would be drawn from the “middling” part of society, whom they believed would be less prone toward vices of the “great,” such as luxury and empire, and more likely instead to be people of “ordinary” virtue.

In short, the Federalists subscribed to a “filter” theory of representation, which they hoped would lead to political leaders who would be able to make decisions in the “public good” rather than constrained by the narrow parochial interests of their constituents. They sought to encourage the formation of private-minded citizens who would pay relatively little attention to political matters, leaving it to competent “fit characters.” The Anti-Federalists advanced a “mirror” theory of representation, instead hoping that representatives would reflect the modest virtues of the yeomanry. They hoped to foster high degree of deliberation and political discussion among the whole of the citizenry, favoring more local and deliberative forms of self-government.

The Federalists hoped that representatives, drawn from among the ambitious, would—whatever the differences of their regions and constituencies—all share an ambition for American greatness, and put aside differences in favor of crafting policies toward that end. The Anti-Federalists hoped for a numerous lower chamber of considerable contention, one likely to thwart the ambitions of the elite and instead keep the central government relatively ineffectual, while fostering strong local forms of political self-rule. The Federalists believed in a strong division of labor, in which “fit” elected officials would do the “work” of politics; the Anti-Federalists defended the role of “amateurs” in politics, believing that citizenship consisted in that ancient practice of “ruling and being ruled in turn.”

The Federalists—particularly Madison in the justly celebrated Federalist 10—argued that this form of representation, combined with a large geographic scale, would constitute the best means of combating the formation of “majority factions.” Their overarching fear was of a portion of the polity using the levers of government to effect its narrow ends.

The Anti-Federalists insisted that their version of representation would forestall the creation of a “consolidated” government, making frequent agreement at the federal level unlikely, while also fostering civic virtues and practices that would keep governance close to home. Their overarching fear was a powerful central government commandeered by the wealthy and powerful.

Today, we have combined parts of each theory and arrived at a highly unpalatable and even toxic mix.


We have very large districts (far larger than even the Federalists foresaw), generally with over 750,000 constituents each, in which only those with some amount of wealth or status, or access to wealth, can hope to contend. Almost all Senators today are millionaires or better, and draw funding from the entire nation, not merely from the State that they represent. Of whatever political stripe, representatives are drawn to D.C. because of the lure of power and status, and generally seek to be continuously re-elected. In these respects, modern representation partakes of the Federalist view.

However, given the near-universal practice of gerrymandering, districts today are increasingly ideologically homogenous, even in spite of their large sizes. Representatives seek doggedly to vote in accordance to the wishes of their constituents, rightly believing that success of re-nomination and re-election hinges on voting in accordance with the overarching views of their constituents. In this respect, representation seems more to reflect the hopes of the Anti-Federalists.

We have the private-minded citizenry hoped for by the Federalists, but the “mirror” version of representation hoped for by the Anti-Federalists. We have large districts that foster relative distance between representatives and their constituents, with little real opportunity for practices of deliberation (to wit: witness the televised farce of what we now call “town hall meetings”), while expecting representatives to reflect dogged allegiance to the views of their constituents, ones that evince little of the hoped-for forms of civic virtue like frugality, modesty, and public-spiritedness.

A number of developments have led us to this pass. Gerrymandering has created relatively homogenous districts, but was done so not with a view to creating small districts with a high degree of civic participation along the lines hoped for by the Anti-Federalists, but to ensure the likelihood of re-election of a professional political class. The reforms of the direct primary ensure greater say by the citizenry in the selection of their representatives, but—as predicted by Henry Jones Ford in 1909—the result of this reform has been to increase the likelihood that the monied or famous would be sufficiently visible to be nominated. We have massive districts without the real opportunity for deliberation, but constant efforts by representatives to learn the views of the constituents by means of polling. Citizens are largely privatistic, but at the same time, the voting portion demands obeisance to their views.

Representation today, then, is plebiscitary without being civically deliberative. It is distant without the advantage of “filtering.” It is driven by private demands of constituents over a professional political class who acts on those demands. It replaces deliberation with polling, that snapshot of “public opinion” consisting of the aggregation of opinions that are not, in the process of accumulation, tested or refined. It does little to foster capacities for public spiritedness among the citizenry, while inviting the appearance of participation. It “mirrors” an increasingly querulous, divided, private, and civically-emaciated citizenry.

Representation—the great object of debate at the nation’s beginning, and hope of the leading voices of that era for the prospects of republican self-government—is almost entirely devoid of any of its recommended virtues, and almost wholly defined by the vices dreaded by both sides of the original debate.

It is with some shock that one reads the 18th-century debates over representation, and the political hopes that were attached to its various proposed forms. It was believed that representation was among the most important discoveries of the “new science of politics,” the invention that would make democracy—considered throughout the history of political thought to be among the worst forms of government—to be a viable political system. It is perhaps the most telling sign of the dimming prospects of republican self-government that not only is representation fundamentally without any of its hoped-for virtues and benefits, but we have even lost the ability to recognize this deeper fact as a matter of civic concern, deliberation, and renewed debate.
 

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Here are some quotes from the great scholarly minds of the Tea Party:

"American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains." —Delaware GOP Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell, discussing cloning with Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 2007

"It is not enough to be abstinent with other people, you also have to be abstinent alone. The Bible says that lust in your heart is committing adultery. You can't masturbate without lust! ... You're going to be pleasing each other. And if he already knows what pleases him and he can please himself, then why am I in the picture?" —Christine O'Donnell, advocating against masturbation in a 1996 MTV interview

"I'm not a witch...I'm you." —Christine O'Donnell

"You know what, evolution is a myth. Why aren't monkeys still evolving into humans?" —Christine O'Donnell, during a 1998 appearance on Bill Maher's "Politically Incorrect"


"I absolutely do not believe in the science of man-caused climate change. It's not proven by any stretch of the imagination...It's far more likely that it's just sunspot activity or just something in the geologic eons of time. Excess carbon dioxide in the atmosphere 'gets sucked down by trees and helps the trees grow.'" —Wisconsin GOP Senate candidate Ron Johnson, Aug. 16, 2010

Here’s another Johnson jewel -- "I'm glad there is global warming."

”I just think my children, and your children, will be much better off, and much more successful getting married and raising a family. And I don’t want them to be brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid or successful option. It isn’t.”
—Carl Paladino, New York State Tea Party-backed candidate for Governor, Oct. 10, 2010

“The Federal Department of Education should be eliminated. The Department of Education is unconstitutional and should not be involved in education, at any level.”
—Sharron Angle, July 12, 2010

“There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.” —Michele Bachmann

"Carbon dioxide is natural. It occurs in Earth. It is a part of the regular lifecycle of Earth. In fact, life on planet Earth can't even exist without carbon dioxide." – Michele Bachmann


“First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. . . But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. You know I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child”. – Rep. Paul Broun, of Georgia

"God's word is true. I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior." – Rep. Paul Broun, of Georgia

"The problem with AIDS is, you get it, you die, so why are we spending any money on people that get it[?]" – Denny Rehberg, GOP candidate for US Senate in Montana

"I believe God controls the universe…I don't believe biology works in an uncontrolled fashion." -- Richard Mourdock, GOP Senate candidate from Indiana

“If it is a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” – Todd Akin, GOP candidate for US Senate in Missouri

When a reporter noted that a survey published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that 97 percent of climate-science researchers agree that human activities have contributed to global warming, Ralph Hall responded, "And they get $5,000 for every report like that they give out," adding, "I don't have any proof of that. But I don't believe 'em." Ralph Hall, a Texas representative, is the Chairman of the House Science Committee

"I do not believe that CO2 is a cause of global warming." – Rep Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif)
 

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Here are some quotes from the great scholarly minds of the Tea Party:

"American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains." —Delaware GOP Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell, discussing cloning with Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 2007

"It is not enough to be abstinent with other people, you also have to be abstinent alone. The Bible says that lust in your heart is committing adultery. You can't masturbate without lust! ... You're going to be pleasing each other. And if he already knows what pleases him and he can please himself, then why am I in the picture?" —Christine O'Donnell, advocating against masturbation in a 1996 MTV interview

"I'm not a witch...I'm you." —Christine O'Donnell

"You know what, evolution is a myth. Why aren't monkeys still evolving into humans?" —Christine O'Donnell, during a 1998 appearance on Bill Maher's "Politically Incorrect"


"I absolutely do not believe in the science of man-caused climate change. It's not proven by any stretch of the imagination...It's far more likely that it's just sunspot activity or just something in the geologic eons of time. Excess carbon dioxide in the atmosphere 'gets sucked down by trees and helps the trees grow.'" —Wisconsin GOP Senate candidate Ron Johnson, Aug. 16, 2010

Here’s another Johnson jewel -- "I'm glad there is global warming."

”I just think my children, and your children, will be much better off, and much more successful getting married and raising a family. And I don’t want them to be brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid or successful option. It isn’t.”
—Carl Paladino, New York State Tea Party-backed candidate for Governor, Oct. 10, 2010

“The Federal Department of Education should be eliminated. The Department of Education is unconstitutional and should not be involved in education, at any level.”
—Sharron Angle, July 12, 2010

“There are hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design.” —Michele Bachmann

"Carbon dioxide is natural. It occurs in Earth. It is a part of the regular lifecycle of Earth. In fact, life on planet Earth can't even exist without carbon dioxide." – Michele Bachmann


“First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. . . But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something. You know I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child”. – Rep. Paul Broun, of Georgia

"God's word is true. I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell. And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior." – Rep. Paul Broun, of Georgia

"The problem with AIDS is, you get it, you die, so why are we spending any money on people that get it[?]" – Denny Rehberg, GOP candidate for US Senate in Montana

"I believe God controls the universe…I don't believe biology works in an uncontrolled fashion." -- Richard Mourdock, GOP Senate candidate from Indiana

“If it is a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” – Todd Akin, GOP candidate for US Senate in Missouri

When a reporter noted that a survey published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that 97 percent of climate-science researchers agree that human activities have contributed to global warming, Ralph Hall responded, "And they get $5,000 for every report like that they give out," adding, "I don't have any proof of that. But I don't believe 'em." Ralph Hall, a Texas representative, is the Chairman of the House Science Committee

"I do not believe that CO2 is a cause of global warming." – Rep Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif)

It's funny because the whole point of the linked study is that anecdotal quotes/examples of Tea Party member stupidity aren't necessarily indicative of Tea Party members as a whole being less intelligent than members of other political parties. That surprisingly, by objective measure Tea Party members as a whole graded out better in scientific literacy than their peers.

So your response is... to link anecdotes of Tea Party stupidity? You could do the same thing for members of literally every political party.
 

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It's funny because the whole point of the linked study is that anecdotal quotes/examples of Tea Party member stupidity aren't necessarily indicative of Tea Party members as a whole being less intelligent than members of other political parties. That surprisingly, by objective measure Tea Party members as a whole graded out better in scientific literacy than their peers.

So your response is... to link anecdotes of Tea Party stupidity? You could do the same thing for members of literally every political party.

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Again you don't know what you're talking about. What he's describing has nothing to do with the ACA.

(I look forward to links and articles you'll post with other people's opinions though)

I don't post other people's opinions. I post facts, things that either already happened or are happing now. Guess you didn't read them.
 

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Right. Scholarly research from a self-admited liberal Yale professor is much less reliable than a list of quotes you pulled from MediaMatters.com.

I'm not questioning the study or the findings, I'm just saying it doesn't match what I observe with my own eyes and ears. Maybe they should put their smarter people in front of the cameras and tell the stupid crew to pipe down a bit.
 
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