Police State USA

[Grahambo]

The problem is that Bengahzi investigation was a sham. It was meant as a way to politically hurt Clinton and in fact the investigation itself seems to point to no wrong doing on her part. Having that person on stage to talk about it was an emotional plea, not a logical argument. The emails would have been a much better way to attack Clinton (as Christie did) but there is no "great" grieving mother to attack Clinton over that.

As far as McSpadden goes, the problem with what you say is that when the officer didn't stop him for being a robbery suspect. People love to talk as if that was the reason but it wasn't (it was because he was walking down the middle of the street), I am not saying that he shouldn't have been stopped but the notion that he was stopped because he robbed the place is not true.

Ferguson chief: Officer didn't stop Brown as rob suspect - CNN.com

Totality of the circumstance. Irrelevant if the cop stopped him for being a robbery suspect or not. There's more to the story to Benghazi then is allowed to be released. State Department jacked up and it eventually led to the deaths of this involved.

 

[MJ12666]

The problem is that Bengahzi investigation was a sham. It was meant as a way to politically hurt Clinton and in fact the investigation itself seems to point to no wrong doing on her part. Having that person on stage to talk about it was an emotional plea, not a logical argument. The emails would have been a much better way to attack Clinton (as Christie did) but there is no "great" grieving mother to attack Clinton over that.

As far as McSpadden goes, the problem with what you say is that when the officer didn't stop him for being a robbery suspect. People love to talk as if that was the reason but it wasn't (it was because he was walking down the middle of the street), I am not saying that he shouldn't have been stopped but the notion that he was stopped because he robbed the place is not true.

Ferguson chief: Officer didn't stop Brown as rob suspect - CNN.com

I see you linked to a CNN report. One would think CNN would report accurately but in this case they did not. This might be because at the date the report was filed not all the facts were known, or they simply just did not care about the actual facts as they did not fit the story they wanted to tell. Either way CNN was not correct on the facts. Per the DOJ report:

"The encounter between Wilson and Brown took place over an approximately two-minute
period of time at about noon on August 9, 2014. Wilson was on duty and driving his
department-issued Chevy Tahoe SUV westbound on Canfield Drive in Ferguson, Missouri when he saw Brown and his friend, Witness 101, walking eastbound in the middle of the street. Brown and Witness 101 had just come from Ferguson Market and Liquor (“Ferguson Market”), a nearby convenience store, where, at approximately 11:53 a.m., Brown stole several packages of cigarillos. As captured on the store’s surveillance video, when the store clerk tried to stop Brown, Brown used his physical size to stand over him and forcefully shove him away. As a result, an FPD dispatch call went out over the police radio for a “stealing in progress.” The dispatch recordings and Wilson’s radio transmissions establish that Wilson was aware of the theft and had a description of the suspects as he encountered Brown and Witness 101. As Wilson drove toward Brown and Witness 101, he told the two men to walk on the sidewalk. According to Wilson’s statement to prosecutors and investigators, he suspected that Brown and Witness 101 were involved in the incident at Ferguson Market based on the descriptions he heard on the radio and the cigarillos in Brown’s hands. Wilson then called for backup, stating, “Put me on Canfield with two and send me another car.” Wilson backed up his
SUV and parked at an angle, blocking most of both lanes of traffic, and stopping Brown and Witness 101 from walking any further. Wilson attempted to open the driver’s door of the SUV to exit his vehicle, but as he swung it open, the door came into contact with Brown’s body and either rebounded closed or Brown pushed it closed."

 

[pkt77242]

I see you linked to a CNN report. One would think CNN would report accurately but in this case they did not. This might be because at the date the report was filed not all the facts were known, or they simply just did not care about the actual facts as they did not fit the story they wanted to tell. Either way CNN was not correct on the facts. Per the DOJ report:

"The encounter between Wilson and Brown took place over an approximately two-minute
period of time at about noon on August 9, 2014. Wilson was on duty and driving his
department-issued Chevy Tahoe SUV westbound on Canfield Drive in Ferguson, Missouri when he saw Brown and his friend, Witness 101, walking eastbound in the middle of the street. Brown and Witness 101 had just come from Ferguson Market and Liquor (“Ferguson Market”), a nearby convenience store, where, at approximately 11:53 a.m., Brown stole several packages of cigarillos. As captured on the store’s surveillance video, when the store clerk tried to stop Brown, Brown used his physical size to stand over him and forcefully shove him away. As a result, an FPD dispatch call went out over the police radio for a “stealing in progress.” The dispatch recordings and Wilson’s radio transmissions establish that Wilson was aware of the theft and had a description of the suspects as he encountered Brown and Witness 101. As Wilson drove toward Brown and Witness 101, he told the two men to walk on the sidewalk. According to Wilson’s statement to prosecutors and investigators, he suspected that Brown and Witness 101 were involved in the incident at Ferguson Market based on the descriptions he heard on the radio and the cigarillos in Brown’s hands. Wilson then called for backup, stating, “Put me on Canfield with two and send me another car.” Wilson backed up his
SUV and parked at an angle, blocking most of both lanes of traffic, and stopping Brown and Witness 101 from walking any further. Wilson attempted to open the driver’s door of the SUV to exit his vehicle, but as he swung it open, the door came into contact with Brown’s body and either rebounded closed or Brown pushed it closed."

Nope. Wilson told the chief at the scene that he stopped Brown for being in the middle of the road it wasn't till later that he changed his tune. Yes you have what Wilson said later but unfortunately that doesn't match what he said at the scene. What a shocker that his story changed to make his side more sympathetic.

 

[pkt77242]

Totality of the circumstance. Irrelevant if the cop stopped him for being a robbery suspect or not. There's more to the story to Benghazi then is allowed to be released. State Department jacked up and it eventually led to the deaths of this involved.

While the State department may be at fault how would the mother know it? Is she privy to confidential info? The report by the HR (House Republicans) who set out to take her down (as two GOP reps admitted too) well didn't find really anything wrong with Clinton (it had less positive things to be said about the administration as a whole but nothing pointing a finger at Clinton). Also the fact that Congress did the investigation is odd since one of the things looked at should have been Congress's funding of security for the State Department.

Here is the Washington Times talking about the cuts Benghazi attack followed deep cuts in State Department security budget - Washington Times


Sorry for any typos as I am on my phone.

*ETA: as for the part about Brown, the reason for the stop could matter if he was stopped because of being black (Many people jaywalk, or walk down the median and don't get stopped by the police) so if the stop was racially motivated or if the was initially more aggressive/threatening because of race it does matter. Having said that from the forensics, the cop was justified in shooting him once the situation escalated (which Brown definitely played a part on escalating, but also we only have the officers word on how it escalated, as the other important witness, Brown is dead).

 

[MJ12666]

Nope. Wilson told the chief at the scene that he stopped Brown for being in the middle of the road it wasn't till later that he changed his tune. Yes you have what Wilson said later but unfortunately that doesn't match what he said at the scene. What a shocker that his story changed to make his side more sympathetic.

So you are saying that the Eric Holder's DOJ investigators were negligent in there investigation and Holder was negligent in signing off on the report?

 

[pkt77242]

So you are saying that the Eric Holder's DOJ investigators were negligent in there investigation and Holder was negligent in signing off on the report?

Nope, I am saying that Wilson said at the scene that he stopped Brown for being in the street, not for the robbery. I have no doubt that by them time that Wilson gave his statement to the internal investigators and the DOJ that he said that he stopped Brown because of the robbery.

Wilson didn't know Michael Brown was connected to robbery, Ferguson police chief says | PBS NewsHour

 

[kmoose]

The problem is that Bengahzi investigation was a sham. It was meant as a way to politically hurt Clinton and in fact the investigation itself seems to point to no wrong doing on her part. Having that person on stage to talk about it was an emotional plea, not a logical argument. The emails would have been a much better way to attack Clinton (as Christie did) but there is no "great" grieving mother to attack Clinton over that.

As far as McSpadden goes, the problem with what you say is that when the officer didn't stop him for being a robbery suspect. People love to talk as if that was the reason but it wasn't (it was because he was walking down the middle of the street), I am not saying that he shouldn't have been stopped but the notion that he was stopped because he robbed the place is not true.

Ferguson chief: Officer didn't stop Brown as rob suspect - CNN.com

None of this has the square root of fuck-all to do with the appropriateness of the two speakers at the respective conventions.

 

[MJ12666]

Nope, I am saying that Wilson said at the scene that he stopped Brown for being in the street, not for the robbery. I have no doubt that by them time that Wilson gave his statement to the internal investigators and the DOJ that he said that he stopped Brown because of the robbery.

lol Never let facts get in the way of a good story especially when the fact contradict your theory.

 

[pkt77242]

None of this has the square root of fuck-all to do with the appropriateness of the two speakers at the respective conventions.

LOL. The point is that Patricia Smith was put up there to drive the emotion of a grieving mom saying that Hillary is at fault (when the investigation didn't find her at fault). So Brown's mom will speak at a convention and talk about police brutality/racism towards black, when the investigation did not find that the officer was at fault. Hmm, what a shocker, neither should be speaking (or have spoken) at the conventions. Both are just trying to create emotional responses and have no real facts to back it up. They are both sad examples of demagoguery.

 

[pkt77242]

lol Never let facts get in the way of a good story especially when the fact contradict your theory.

Theory? LOL. Yep quotes from the Police Chief saying that officer Wilson stopped him for jaywalking not the robbery is a theory. SMDH.

Wilson didn't know Michael Brown was connected to robbery, Ferguson police chief says | PBS NewsHour

I prefer the initial reports (you know the police chief who talked with him) before the officer had time to change his reason to make his side look better.

 

[kmoose]

LOL. The point is that Patricia Smith was put up there to drive the emotion of a grieving mom saying that Hillary is at fault (when the investigation didn't find her at fault). So Brown's mom will speak at a convention and talk about police brutality/racism towards black, when the investigation did not find that the officer was at fault. Hmm, what a shocker, neither should be speaking (or have spoken) at the conventions. Both are just trying to create emotional responses and have no real facts to back it up. They are both sad examples of demagoguery.

Hillary Clinton is running for President. White Cop America is not.

 

[pkt77242]

Hillary Clinton is running for President. White Cop America is not.

Except that it has become part of our election (on both sides), just as LGBT, income inequality, etc are part of this election. Remember the election isn't just about the Presidency, it is about party platform and and races. Things such as police brutatlity/racism are for sure part of this election (for better or worse, I personally don't think it should be part of the election, but no one asked for my permission).

 

[pkt77242]

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Watch the whole thing, it gets interesting when the cop starts talking while driver her around after the arrest.

ETA: video is from 2015

Does anyone want to comment on this video?

 

[AvesEvo]

Does anyone want to comment on this video?

It's fucked up.

 

[MJ12666]

Theory? LOL. Yep quotes from the Police Chief saying that officer Wilson stopped him for jaywalking not the robbery is a theory. SMDH.

Wilson didn't know Michael Brown was connected to robbery, Ferguson police chief says | PBS NewsHour

I prefer the initial reports (you know the police chief who talked with him) before the officer had time to change his reason to make his side look better.

lol You and Iristh41 aren't one in the same? If not both of you like to shop around until you find some article that has no basis in fact to support your position. Anyway, at least you admit that Eric Holder was an incompetent buffoon. At least that is some progress.

 

[pkt77242]

lol You and Iristh41 aren't one in the same? If not both of you like to shop around until you find some article that has no basis in fact to support your position. Anyway, at least you admit that Eric Holder was an incompetent buffoon. At least that is some progress.

LOL. I have now posted 2 articles, would you like more?
Police: Michael Brown stopped because he blocked traffic | MSNBC

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-releasing-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/?utm_term=.a20626ae67c5

At the afternoon news conference, Jackson provided a reason for the encounter. He said that the confrontation occurred because Brown and a friend were walking in the street and “blocking traffic.” This account matches what Dorian Johnson, the friend who was with Brown at the time, has said in multiple interviews.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/15/ferguson-police-michael-brown-robbery-suspect

Thomas Jackson, Ferguson’s chief of police, said at a press conference that the officer – named for the first time as Darren Wilson – did not know that Michael Brown, 18, was a suspect in the theft of cigars from a convenience store shortly before the encounter last Saturday afternoon.

There is a ton more. It came out right after the shooting from the Police Chief that this is how it went down, did the story get changed later, yes, but the fact that you don't know that is your problem, not mine (well except that I have to educate you on it).

Article shopping my ass, finding what the Police Chief said right after the shooting is hardly looking for articles that match my opinion, and the fact that you see it that way, says a lot about you.

 

[kmoose]

Except that it has become part of our election (on both sides), just as LGBT, income inequality, etc are part of this election. Remember the election isn't just about the Presidency, it is about party platform and and races. Things such as police brutatlity/racism are for sure part of this election (for better or worse, I personally don't think it should be part of the election, but no one asked for my permission).

Then don't make it a part. Quit nitpicking who is racist and who isn't. If you think that a candidate isn't good for the country, for whatever reason, then don't vote for them. But what's happening is that Progressives (the Democratic side) are attempting to create the impression that anyone who is conservative (the Republican side) is for racism, either actively or passively.

Since Michael Brown's mother is, presumably, going to represent the "police brutality" faction, I hope her message is that young people need to put aside their arrogant pride when dealing with authorities and comply with reasonable requests (like sitting back down in your car). And that trying to disarm an officer is likely to get you shot, no matter your race, creed, or color. Also that refusing to allow yourself to be handcuffed is going to escalate a situation way beyond what it should. If a cop wants to cuff you, let them cuff you. Then file a complaint later, if you think they were overzealous. But struggling to keep them from cuffing you is a MAJOR problem with most of these altercations.

Somehow, I doubt that will be her message.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Does anyone want to comment on this video?

Looked to me like he was pulling her over and she tried walking away.


He told her to get back in the car.
She didn't.
He told her to close the door.
She didn't.
He told her to stand up.
She didn't.
He told her to put her hands behind her back.
She didn't.

She then broke free of his hold and tried to run.
Let's see how could all of this have been avoided?

When a cop says, "Ma'am, you're being pulled over please get back in your vehicle?"
How about you get back in your damn car and listen?

 

[pkt77242]

Looked to me like he was pulling her over and she tried walking away.


He told her to get back in the car.
She didn't.
He told her to close the door.
She didn't.
He told her to stand up.
She didn't.
He told her to put her hands behind her back.
She didn't.

She then broke free of his hold and tried to run.
Let's see how could all of this have been avoided?

When a cop says, "Ma'am, you're being pulled over please get back in your vehicle?"
How about you get back in your damn car and listen?

Did you watch the part of the video where the police officer was talking after arresting her? If so what did you think of that part? If not you should go back and watch the rest.

 

[NorthDakota]

Does anyone want to comment on this video?

A.) Dumb broad deserved everything she got there.

B.) The cop shouldn't have said that.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Looking for the video you guys are talking about in the thread, but can't find it

 

[Irish Insanity]

Looking for the video you guys are talking about in the thread, but can't find it

If you're on Tapatalk it won't show up

 

[Bishop2b5]

Looked to me like he was pulling her over and she tried walking away.


He told her to get back in the car.
She didn't.
He told her to close the door.
She didn't.
He told her to stand up.
She didn't.
He told her to put her hands behind her back.
She didn't.

She then broke free of his hold and tried to run.
Let's see how could all of this have been avoided?

When a cop says, "Ma'am, you're being pulled over please get back in your vehicle?"
How about you get back in your damn car and listen?

This sort of stuff just amazes me. ANYBODY - black, white, Hispanic, male or female - who acts this stupidly during a traffic stop, questioning by the police, or any other interaction with them, is going to get the same result. I'm white, middle-aged, and relatively affluent, and if I acted this way during a traffic stop I'd absolutely end up face down and cuffed too. It doesn't happen to me because I know better than to be this stupid and big of an ass when I get stopped.

 

[BGIF]

Looking for the video you guys are talking about in the thread, but can't find it

It's in post #1190.

 

[kmoose]

Did you watch the part of the video where the police officer was talking after arresting her? If so what did you think of that part? If not you should go back and watch the rest.

I think it is one or two statements picked out of the middle of a conversation.... Without context to it, it is meaningless.



Unless you are one of those people that finds racism under every stone. THEN it is obvious that this white cop is racist............ just like all of the other white cops in America.

 

[connor_in]

Freddie Gray case: Charges against three remaining officers dropped - Baltimore Sun

 

[NDgradstudent]

Freddie Gray case: Charges against three remaining officers dropped - Baltimore Sun

Charles Blow, one of the NYT's pretentious liberal op-ed writers, has worked himself into a frenzy over the outcome of these cases.

As Steve Sailer points out, we have a black DA, black judge, black mayor, black Attorney General, and a black President. But white people are to blame.

 

[pkt77242]

Charles Blow, one of the NYT's pretentious liberal op-ed writers, has worked himself into a frenzy over the outcome of these cases.

As Steve Sailer points out, we have a black DA, black judge, black mayor, black Attorney General, and a black President. But white people are to blame.

It is not shocking that you read Steve Sailer.

Also what does having a black mayor or President have to do with it?

It is very difficult to indict let alone get a conviction against a cop. The deck is pretty stacked against it.

 

[pkt77242]

I think it is one or two statements picked out of the middle of a conversation.... Without context to it, it is meaningless.



Unless you are one of those people that finds racism under every stone. THEN it is obvious that this white cop is racist............ just like all of the other white cops in America.

Typical kmoose. Of course you don't care about racist comments. If the police officer goes into an encounter believing that black people are very violent than they are more likely to perceive any action by a black person as aggressive which escalates the situation and leads to more physical/violent encounters which leads to reinforcement of the stereotype. People like that should not be police officers.

This article has some interesting quotes by the Austin police chief and by the police union (hint they aren't standing up for the officers comments). Texas police chief apologizes to black woman for officer&apos;s &apos;disturbing&apos; comments - LA Times

 

[Irish#1]

It is not shocking that you read Steve Sailer.

Also what does having a black mayor or President have to do with it?

It is very difficult to indict let alone get a conviction against a cop. The deck is pretty stacked against it.

I'm not sure I agree with this. Maybe 10 years ago, but we've seen policemen getting held accountable.

As far as the black mayor, prosecutor, etc., the point is that there is no white bias steering the outcome in favor of the police. Those in charge are going by the book and using the evidence. Obviously there isn't enough evidence to get convictions.