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Jeeze. I'm pretty sure Connecticut has exactly one law enforcement helicopter. It's owned by the state police, not local PD, and hardly ever flies. Bizarre to me that a local police department would need such a weapon.

NKY police will call Cincinnati and request the help of their helicopter if they are concerned with a violent criminal on the loose, or in the case of critical missing persons that were spotted in a specific area.
 

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Serious question and (probably) not related to whether this was an appropriate use of force... Is it normal in California for local PD to deploy damn helicopters in response to a B&E?

I can tell you this... I've lived all around So Cal in my life and I've LONG since gotten to where the sound of a 'ghetto bird' or sirens or something of that nature at night doesn't even register with me, it's a more often than not occurrence... if anything a completely calm night with no such noise is what rattles me.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is cold blooded execution. They shot <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StephonClark?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StephonClark</a> 20 times, didn’t call an ambulance, & sat asking each other if they were okay.<br><br>Meanwhile an unarmed Clark died in his own backyard.��<br><br>WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlackLivesMatter?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BlackLivesMatter</a> <br>[video via <a href="https://twitter.com/KCRAMiller?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KCRAMiller</a>]<a href="https://t.co/xKLNWczd5d">pic.twitter.com/xKLNWczd5d</a></p>— Qasim Rashid, Esq. (@MuslimIQ) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuslimIQ/status/976605306145902592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Just posting becasue it was linked in the tweet. I have my own opinion and am not agreeing with the tweeter's comment. Watch at your own discretion. It is awful.

Sorry, but IMO (take it for what it's worth) this was a justified shooting. This is the worst-case scenario: night, insufficient lighting, a cornered suspect, and something in his hands. These cops will be back on duty, by next week.
 

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Serious question and (probably) not related to whether this was an appropriate use of force... Is it normal in California for local PD to deploy damn helicopters in response to a B&E?

Jeeze. I'm pretty sure Connecticut has exactly one law enforcement helicopter. It's owned by the state police, not local PD, and hardly ever flies. Bizarre to me that a local police department would need such a weapon.


Why Is That LAPD Helicopter Circling Overhead? | L.A. Weekly
DENNIS ROMERO | FEBRUARY 21, 2014

... We recently spoke with Lt. Phil Smith, second in command at LAPD's Air Support Division. He was kind enough to give up the top five reasons why an LAPD helicopter is circling overhead:
First, a primer:

The division, a pioneer in aerial policing, was born in 1956, although it was in 1974 that the division expanded into the kind of atmospheric policing we see today. (LAPD even had an airplane in its fleet.) Other departments took notice of the pioneering program, while also taking advantage of low-cost military-surplus aircraft to build up their own air divisions.

With 17 choppers, LAPD's helicopter division remains the nation's largest such operation, and its Hooper Heliport downtown is the America's largest rooftop heliport.

For 20 hours a day LAPD usually has one airship in the Valley and one in the main L.A. basin, Smith says. On Friday and Saturday nights, that increases to one in the Valley, one north of the 10 freeway, and one south of the 10 freeway, he says.

The elemental answer to the question in the headline is that L.A. is an unusually large city geographically; the LAPD is, on a per-capita basis, a relatively small force. Helicopters are essential to helping the department respond to crime in roughly 470 square miles of municipal turf.

The department's main air ride, the American Eurocopter AS350 B2, can travel up to 178 miles per hour. Air units are often first on the scene of major emergencies.

Congress recently passed the Los Angeles Residential Helicopter Noise Relief Act but, alas, law enforcement and fire-rescue aircraft are exempt, leaving a major source of that noise unabated.

Your complaints aren't being ignored, but the department thinks that catching bad guys is more important than your aural comfort.

"Sometimes you're in the hills and you have a hot prowl burglary in progress," Smith says. "There's no higher priority than that. You're going to upset neighbors if it's 2 or 3 in the morning. Our phone line here will ring. We don't enjoy it. It's our job. They will get out of there as soon as they can."

Here's a list of reasons why that LAPD chopper is overhead:

5. Traffic stops. If there's nothing else more pressing going on, LAPD air units will circle over traffic stops, particularly if they involve wanted or allegedly armed-and-dangerous suspects. Officer safety is a high priority for the Air Support Division. "You never know who's behind the wheel of that car you're pulling over," Smith says. "This lets whoever's in that car know we're here and we're watching."

4. Property crimes. Being 2,000 feet above Los Angeles can be a good place to spot burglars, car thieves and taggers. As Smith said above, catching burglars red-handed is a big deal to the department. Last year air units used infrared search technology in such suspect searches 882 times, which is more than twice a day.

3. Perimeters. This duty probably accounts for much of your annoyance. LAPD helicopters are especially well positioned to help cops on the ground set up dragnets for an array of suspects - alleged burglars, gangsters who run from officers, robbers on the loose. Air units usually take command of these situations and order badges down below to take strategic positions in your neighborhood. This, unfortunately for you, can be quite a production. Air units responded to 1,433 of these kinds of calls in 2013, Smith said.

2. Pursuits. Actually, what we're talking about here is not just pursuits, but what the LAPD calls "followings," too. Anticipating that a chase is about to break out because they just pulled behind a stolen car or wanted suspect, ground units will radio for air support. Most of the time, these things end with the vehicle pulling over. Sometimes, though, a suspect will drive so hard that the ground units back off. But virtually no car can beat a helicopter in L.A., so the pursuit carries on from the skies. Air units get over two-thirds of the department's pursuits and followings, Smith says.

1. Violent crimes in progress. Homicides, armed robberies, kidnappings, sex crimes - you get the picture. Cops call these kinds of reports "hot shots," and they're broadcast on the department's highest-priority "Tac 1" radio frequency. The helos are your best bet for the fastest possible response. Often times, Smith says, the air unit will fly over expected escape routes to search for getaway cars. Of about 48,000 incidents air units responded to in 2013, Smith says, the helicopters were on scene before patrol cars were 14,500 times.

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Helicopters

Helicopters

https://nypost.com/2016/10/25/meet-the-elite-nypd-squads-who-patrol-nycs-sky-and-harbors/
By Tina Moore October 25, 2016


... the NYPD’s four, pricey Bell copters.

All purchased within the past four years, they are flown by 40 pilots who work in three tours, continually patrolling the city and at the ready to respond to emergencies or give an edge to cops on the street.

“Our abilities have increased tenfold since getting this aircraft,” he said as he looked eye-to-eye with the Lady of the Harbor on a recent late afternoon.

The copters’ high-tech cameras let the pilots zoom in on activity below, and watch it from a laptop inside the cabin.

“We can tell what kind of day you’re having from a mile, a mile and a half away,” one of the unit’s members boasted.

GPS technology superimposes a map onto the camera’s image, allowing them to hone in on a specific building or intersection.

Searchlight and infrared tracking systems can turn a patch of estuary from night to brilliant day, assisting Harbor cops in a water rescue.

Infrared is also frequently used to find perps who might be hiding or running.

“We can’t see through walls,” De Vuono said. “But we can read heat signatures off anything that gives off heat. If you see a row of cars parked on the street we can tell what car was recently moving because the engine is still hot.”

The heat detection system can also be used in rescues.

“If they’re still giving off heat, we’ll see them in the water,” he said. “Unfortunately, we don’t always find people who are alive.”

He said 99.9 percent of the time the cops in the helicopter are searching for bad guys based on a description.

Their cameras are so strong they can see faces, even without facial recognition technology.

“Even though the cameras are good, we can only go off of a description. We might have that it’s a male Asian, wearing jeans and a blue shirt,” said De Vuono.

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San Francisco Barbershop Shootout

San Francisco Barbershop Shootout

Suspect who died after shootout with police was on probation for armed robbery, report says | Fox News

By Bradford Betz | Fox News CRIME 2 hours ago

The suspect linked to a barbershop shootout in San Francisco on Wednesday -- that left a police officer and five others injured -- was reportedly a 21-year-old Palestinian immigrant who was on probation for a 2015 armed robbery.

Jehad Eid, 21, of Suisun City, Calif., who had come to the U.S. as an infant, died Wednesday evening at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital, the Bay Area's Fox 2 reported.

Eid’s younger brother, Tariq Eid, 18, who was born in the United States, told the San Francisco Chonicle he was skeptical of a police account that said officers shot at Eid first.

“My brother did not have that mentality to shoot first,” Tariq said. “He was a caring person.”

Police responded around 4:30 p.m. Wednesday to a report of a man with a gun in San Francisco’s Excelsior neighbor, officials said. According to a source familiar with the investigation, police had been called by a family member of Jehad Eid, the Chronicle reported.

Eid allegedly fired at police from inside a barbershop at the corner of London Street and Geneva Avenue. Police returned fire and shot Eid. Five people, including one of the officers and a teenager, were injured amid the gunfire.

“I’ve seen the cops shoot people in videos on Twitter, but I never thought my brother would be one of those people,” Tariq said. “I just can’t believe it.”


Tariq said some of the people who work at the barbershop are related to Eid.

The shootout remained under investigation. Police said they would release more details at an upcoming town hall meeting.
 

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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/22/596051907/video-shows-sacramento-police-shoot-unarmed-black-man-in-grandparents-backyard
March 22, 201812:59 PM ET
LAUREL WAMSLEY


There are three videos here, the first from a helicopter, the other two from officers body cameras.


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The chopper video shows an infrared image jumping a fence then turning right towards the street and walking down the driveway. He doesn't appear to try to enter the house (grandma's house) but does appear to stop at a vehicle in the driveway. About this time two more images are seen in the street to the left. Those are cops in pursuit getting instructions from the chopper overhead.

First cop video:
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First one cop goes down the driveway and the suspect flees around back of the house. The other cop follows. Then gun fire is seen. Suspect is down and not moving.

The videos are not synchronized. The gunshots in the first officer video start about the 7 minute mark of a 16 minute video. The chopper video starts much later then the officers on foot searching the neighborhood.

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The third video I believe is the second cop on the scene. The first 7 minutes shows them arriving and searching the neighborhood until the chopper directs them to the suspect. after the shooting they call it in and request backup. When backup arrives discussion about whether it's safe to approach suspect. They ask sargeant to hit suspect with "NON-Lethal". They then approach suspect and handcuff. Then talk about resuscitation.

There's more information at the top link.
 

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SF Barbershop Shooting

SF Barbershop Shooting

Witnesses say they'll never forget 'traumatic' SF barber shop shooting | abc7news.com
By Lilian Kim
Thursday, March 22, 2018 06:27PM

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Sources tell ABC7 News that the intial call to police was made by the suspect's own family. They apparently live a block away from the Amazon Barber Shop and were met with the suspect brandishing a gun. They called 911, the suspect ran away and then, sources add, the police found the suspect and the shooting happened.

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New York Police Fatally Shot A Mentally Ill Black Man Who Was Holding A Pipe

You tell me.

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Seems like further evidence we need more resources in mental health services. Families need to insist loved ones take their medications too, and if they won't take medication individuals may need to be admitted for their own safety as well as the safety of others.
 

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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/bl...video-cops-release-unedited-body-cam-footage/

Another reason why body cameras are so important. Apparently a routine traffic stop is a "lynching" and a cop doing his job professionally is "racist."

Her only response to her lies being confronted by body camera footage was that she "remembered it differently"... there should be consequences for BS like this.

This sort of "crying wolf" stuff ultimately worsens things and hurts the cause of those who truly are mistreated by police.
 

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What bugs the shit out me is that more non-lethal aren't used.

Tasers.

Rubber bullets.

Bean Bag Guns.

All will, generally, stop and disable a body.

Why the kill shot first and questions later?
 

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What bugs the shit out me is that more non-lethal aren't used.

Tasers.

Rubber bullets.

Bean Bag Guns.

All will, generally, stop and disable a body.

Why the kill shot first and questions later?

In a world where the criminal or possible criminal is all too often armed with a gun, those devices have a significantly lower rate of disabling someone... and not disabling them means you get killed. Tasers are rather short-range devices and don't have a particularly high rate of working (they often don't penetrate thick clothing and can't be quickly reloaded). Bean bags and rubber bullets are often used for crowd control during protests, but their job is to hurt or stun, not really to disable. Against someone who is wearing heavy clothing or someone jacked up on meth or PCP, they often have little to no effect.

If you're a police officer responding to a potentially deadly situation where there's a very good chance that you're about to face an armed perpetrator who is willing to shoot you, your life (and possibly the lives of others) depends on a split second judgement call. Lots of times there's not a minute or two to determine what someone else's intentions are, how they're armed, whether the best choice is pepper spray, a taser, a bean bag gun, or your service weapon. You have a fraction of a second to react and choosing wrongly gets you and perhaps your partner or the family you're there to protect killed. The reason they aren't used more is that they aren't terribly effective in many situations and they put officers' lives at a much greater risk.
 
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What bugs the shit out me is that more non-lethal aren't used.

Tasers.

Rubber bullets.

Bean Bag Guns.

All will, generally, stop and disable a body.

Why the kill shot first and questions later?

I think these are probably used quite a bit but those stories don't make headlines.
 

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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/bl...video-cops-release-unedited-body-cam-footage/

Another reason why body cameras are so important. Apparently a routine traffic stop is a "lynching" and a cop doing his job professionally is "racist."

Her only response to her lies being confronted by body camera footage was that she "remembered it differently"... there should be consequences for BS like this.

Holy shit, this made me angry. She totally thought she was going to be a SJW hero and now she's been exposed as a racist liar. Awesome.
 

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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/bl...video-cops-release-unedited-body-cam-footage/

Another reason why body cameras are so important. Apparently a routine traffic stop is a "lynching" and a cop doing his job professionally is "racist."

Her only response to her lies being confronted by body camera footage was that she "remembered it differently"... there should be consequences for BS like this.

These lies make me mad just because it perpetuates the us vs them mentality.
 

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Holy shit, this made me angry. She totally thought she was going to be a SJW hero and now she's been exposed as a racist liar. Awesome.

She’ll still be a SJW hero to some,... this whole thing is crazy. You can expect our police to be better and speak out hard when there are major concerns with cases that basically are murder and still ultimately support our police. On the flip you can openly support our black communities and work towards real change that can really make a difference while still calling out the morons like this who do more harm than good. It’s a shame that for so many it’s an either/or situation, but that’s where identity politics gets you.
 

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In a world where the criminal or possible criminal is all too often armed with a gun, those devices have a significantly lower rate of disabling someone... and not disabling them means you get killed. Tasers are rather short-range devices and don't have a particularly high rate of working (they often don't penetrate think clothing and can't be quickly reloaded). Bean bags and rubber bullets are often used for crowd control during protests, but their job is to hurt or stun, not really to disable. Against someone who is wearing heavy clothing or someone jacked up on meth or PCP, they often have little to no effect.

If you're a police officer responding to a potentially deadly situation where there's a very good chance that you're about to face an armed perpetrator who is willing to shoot you, your life (and possibly the lives of others) depends on a split second judgement call. Lots of times there's not a minute or two to determine what someone else's intentions are, how they're armed, whether the best choice is pepper spray, a taser, a bean bag gun, or your service weapon. You have a fraction of a second to react and choosing wrongly gets you and perhaps your partner or the family you're there to protect killed. The reason they aren't used more is that they aren't terribly effective in many situations and they put officers' lives at a much greater risk.

It's not that I don't understand or sympathize, it's more that a gun is the first and only choice, even when unwarranted. A simple twitch or natural "flight or fight" response to turn and run can lead to a needless death.

I get it. Being a police officer is perilous and not at all easy, but why lethal force as the first, and only, choice blows my addled hippie mind.
 

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Observations.........

1. Watching her video, she's definitely trying to start something, especially when she addresses those who are not of color.
2. Watching the policeman's video, it almost came across that she had prepared herself for something like this so she could be known as some type of martyr. Telling the policeman she's going to reach into her glove compartment. "Hey don't shoot me, I'm only going for my registration". Trying to intimidate him by telling him she's calling her attorney and refusing to sign the ticket.

You were speeding and got caught. That's it period. Take your medicine like the rest of us.
 

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https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/bl...video-cops-release-unedited-body-cam-footage/

Another reason why body cameras are so important. Apparently a routine traffic stop is a "lynching" and a cop doing his job professionally is "racist."

Her only response to her lies being confronted by body camera footage was that she "remembered it differently"... there should be consequences for BS like this.

I don't know what consequences should applied, but her public flogging is a good start.
 

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In police departments who wish to protect themselves and citizens or in cities who need to settle multiple lawsuits for hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, body cams in addition to car cams work and can be used in court. For those police departments with little or no accountability and histories of violations, the last result is federal oversight with consent degrees. From the DOJ website which include reasons for consent degrees, goals, specific cities, changes, etc.

An Interactive Guide to the (DOJ) Civil Rights Division’s Police Reforms
https://www.justice.gov/crt/page/file/922456/download

Do they work is another valid question. What are the outcomes you want to achieve. Do more police departments institute crisis units in appropriate situations, community policing, better hiring and firing with resultant understanding on both sides, etc.

Do federal consent decrees improve local police departments? This study says they might
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...trashed/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.81c225b9d4f5
 
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I don't think legal consequences should be applied to someone who does this. Libel maybe.

The best consequence right now is that she is getting embarrassed by the coverage.

Forgive me. I imagined LITERAL public flogging as your punishment, not through the public haha...
 

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I don't know what consequences should applied, but her public flogging is a good start.

What she did isn't all that different than yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater: it had a very high chance of causing a mass reaction that could've gotten a lot of people hurt given that we've seen huge protests and even riots after such incidences. The massively destructive Ferguson/Michael Brown riots of a few years ago happened because of knowingly false claims. I fully support those who want justice when police misbehave, but there are too many who don't care if such allegations are true or not. They just want a riot and turmoil, and think lying about such stuff is fine as a means to an end.
 

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Keeven Robinson's death in JPSO custody determined to be a homicide (May 14, 2018, NOLA.com)

Keeven Robinson, the man pronounced dead while in the custody of Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office detectives following a chase Thursday (May 10), died of compressional asphyxia and his manner of death was a homicide, according to Jefferson Parish Coroner Dr. Gerry Cvitanovich.

Initial findings from the autopsy conducted Saturday revealed "significant traumatic injuries to the neck, the soft tissue of the neck," Cvitanovich said.

Sheriff Joseph Lopinto notified the State Police and FBI and the federal Civil Rights Task Force to take part in the investigation into Robinson's death. The four detectives involved were read their rights and questioned, Lopinto said. All four are detectives are white, Lopinto said when asked. Robinson was black.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Aaron Rodgers gets it.. <a href="https://t.co/0RvlfzmeRF">https://t.co/0RvlfzmeRF</a></p>— Daily Snark (@DailySnark) <a href="https://twitter.com/DailySnark/status/1027226604236357633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...protests-franchise-tag-salary-cap-free-agency

If you’re going to take the focus off of what the protest was really about—it was never about the anthem, it was never about the troops, it was about social equality and racial injustice—then make it all about the anthem,” he said. “Everybody in the stadium stands and does the exact same thing. You have people in the concession, people in the bathroom; you’ve got cameramen on their knee watching. You can’t have it one way or another.”
“You have to remember where everything started. I’m one of the older players; we never came out for the anthem back in the day. We were in the locker room; in my first three, four, five years, we only came out a couple of times. We’d be in the locker room, we’d come out, intros, and then the game. Then the DOD [Department of Defense] paid some money for demonstrations and flyovers and whatnot and it became a different policy.
 
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