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ThePiombino

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How do you know until he has a crack at it? Not being MF's first choice doesn't mean he won't be capable.
Why does ND have to be the place OCs cut their teeth tho? Much less of a risk if you have an offensive HC, but for MF? Seems risky when it didn't need to be. If we were looking for a grand slam hire, Ludwig would have been a home run and Parker feels more like a HBP, take your base.
 

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How do you know until he has a crack at it? Not being MF's first choice doesn't mean he won't be capable.
this is where i am at...just let the guy coach a damn game or two...sark, kiffin and the long list someone posted showing all the OC's with no previous experience calling plays...HH was considered a bad hire because of previous stops, how did that work out..
 

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Isn't that kind of the problem tho? OC (specifically call playing) experience was a prerequisite. He called games for 1/2 a season and didn't do very well. I get the "WVU personnel" reasoning, but what did he show to suggest he was the best hire for any P5 job, let alone a program allegedly striving for elite status? I want to be wrong, but he's not it.
Define didn't do well. During his stint of calling plays they went 4-2 and their rushing, passing, and scoring averages increased.
 

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Define didn't do well. During his stint of calling plays they went 4-2 and their rushing, passing, and scoring averages increased.
All that means is he did better than the last guy. And if he did do such a smashing job, why wasn't he hired as OC literally anywhere else after that?
 

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My high level coaching contact described Parker as an “aw shucks clown” that “couldn’t command the room.” Said that Franklin pushed him out immediately.

One data point.
One of my family members works with a guy who played for Parker at WV. They texted back and forth and the former player said he didn't think Parker was "that great but he's creative and a good leader. [He] might fit into [ND's] O a lot better than [WVs]." Also said he thinks Parker will do a good job.
 

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What is an “aww shucks clown?”
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One of my family members works with a guy who played for Parker at WV. They texted back and forth and the former player said he didn't think Parker was "that great but he's creative and a good leader. [He] might fit into [ND's] O a lot better than [WVs]." Also said he thinks Parker will do a good job.
That’s good enough for me. Now just nail this o line hire.
 

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All that means is he did better than the last guy. And if he did do such a smashing job, why wasn't he hired as OC literally anywhere else after that?
Well, if he can do that here then I'll be pretty happy.

I don't necessarily like the hire, but I am going to give the guy a chance.
 

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Well, if he can do that here then I'll be pretty happy.

I don't necessarily like the hire, but I am going to give the guy a chance.
It's not like I'm rooting against him or the team. I just think it was a bad hire considering the circumstances.
 

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Everyone is freaking out about Parker going to OC I'm fine with it, looking back how many highers of Kelly's were Sexy highers? When he hired BVG everyone was excited and that turned into dog crap
 

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this is where i am at...just let the guy coach a damn game or two...sark, kiffin and the long list someone posted showing all the OC's with no previous experience calling plays...HH was considered a bad hire because of previous stops, how did that work out..
Also why are we judging him at West Virgina he will have boat loads of more talent here.
 

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Everyone is freaking out about Parker going to OC I'm fine with it, looking back how many highers of Kelly's were Sexy highers? When he hired BVG everyone was excited and that turned into dog crap

BK didn't need to make sexy hires on offense. He needed to hire guys he could trust to call plays from BK's own play sheet, and to coach specific positions.

BK was an offensive coach that could step in and take over the offense with above-average results at any time.

Freeman is not an offensive coach, and whoever the new OC is won't have even close to the backup that BK provided.

That's why a lot of people are pissed off. It's one thing to take a chance on an inexperienced playcaller when the head coach has been coaching good offenses for a loooooooooong time.

It's a totally different thing to hire an inexperienced guy to lead the offense, with no one above him to help out strategically when times get tough.
 

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BK didn't need to make sexy hires on offense. He needed to hire guys he could trust to call plays from BK's own play sheet, and to coach specific positions.

BK was an offensive coach that could step in and take over the offense with above-average results at any time.

Freeman is not an offensive coach, and whoever the new OC is won't have even close to the backup that BK provided.

That's why a lot of people are pissed off. It's one thing to take a chance on an inexperienced playcaller when the head coach has been coaching good offenses for a loooooooooong time.

It's a totally different thing to hire an inexperienced guy to lead the offense, with no one above him to help out strategically when times get tough.
This is a valid point. However, I would argue that the offensive staff that is around Parker is maybe the best group of offensive coaches, as a collective, that ND has had in a long time. GP already has a relationship with those coaches. This offensive staff should be able to collaboratively come up with very good game plans and have in-game adjustments. I am hopeful that DM doesn't leave as I think his experience/voice will be much needed.
 

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This is a valid point. However, I would argue that the offensive staff that is around Parker is maybe the best group of offensive coaches, as a collective, that ND has had in a long time. GP already has a relationship with those coaches. This offensive staff should be able to collaboratively come up with very good game plans and have in-game adjustments. I am hopeful that DM doesn't leave as I think his experience/voice will be much needed.
The x-factor in all this is what you're referencing - the familiarity and conformity in direction, culture, message, etc. But we have ZERO evidence that suggests GP will be able to effectively call plays. Game planning is one thing - sure, collaborate. But when the rubber meets the road and we're facing a real, live defense, does he have what it takes? We have no fucking clue. And that's the problem with the hire. BK was an offensive voice with decades of experience so he could manage that. MF is a defensive voice with 1 year as HC under his belt.
 

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This is a valid point. However, I would argue that the offensive staff that is around Parker is maybe the best group of offensive coaches, as a collective, that ND has had in a long time. GP already has a relationship with those coaches. This offensive staff should be able to collaboratively come up with very good game plans and have in-game adjustments. I am hopeful that DM doesn't leave as I think his experience/voice will be much needed.
I would agree, their collective abilities and experience are actually pretty sweet as are their recruiting chops. We’ll have to wait and see how Parker‘s ability to call plays on the fly pans out. Expectations on this board are pretty low overall and I think he’ll end up doing well especially being helped by the players currently on the roster. He called only red zone plays for WV before taking over the full play calling duties in his last year there. We all know there have been red zone issues with ND so hopefully that will improve as well. It’s not the hire I was hoping for but with Gino added as QB coach, I think it’s going to turn out better than I expect. As stated by some other posters, the OL coaching hire could make or break how they do this season. Luckily the OL has talent and experience going into the fall.
 

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The x-factor in all this is what you're referencing - the familiarity and conformity in direction, culture, message, etc. But we have ZERO evidence that suggests GP will be able to effectively call plays. Game planning is one thing - sure, collaborate. But when the rubber meets the road and we're facing a real, live defense, does he have what it takes? We have no fucking clue. And that's the problem with the hire. BK was an offensive voice with decades of experience so he could manage that. MF is a defensive voice with 1 year as HC under his belt.
Nailed it. The best OCs and DCs have "feel" for the game. It's what makes Andy Reid so good. It's not like his scheme is some crazy cutting edge thing anymore... it's the actual down-to-down play calling.
 

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Is the fact that these Hartman threads are getting locked a good or bad sign?
Are they be deleted or just locked? If locked they may need more info.

My guess is Hartman may not love this low hanging fruit move but will stay.
 

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Hartman's a big boy. He had to know Rees leaving was a possibility.
Are they be deleted or just locked? If locked they may need more info.

My guess is Hartman may not love this low hanging fruit move but will stay.
Am I correct in believing that Hartman can't transfer anywhere else this semester? (Yes he's a grad student but he still has to be an enrolled student at a university to play college football, and pretty much everyone has started classes for the spring by now).

If so, then he's here for spring ball, and all can assess one another once things cool down a little. The risk is a quick flip. If he can't do that, I'd be very surprised if he's not our starting quarterback in August.
 

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Hartman's a big boy. He had to know Rees leaving was a possibility.

Am I correct in believing that Hartman can't transfer anywhere else this semester? (Yes he's a grad student but he still has to be an enrolled student at a university to play college football, and pretty much everyone has started classes for the spring by now).

If so, then he's here for spring ball, and all can assess one another once things cool down a little. The risk is a quick flip. If he can't do that, I'd be very surprised if he's not our starting quarterback in August.
He doesn't actually have to be enrolled anywhere this semester, I believe. If he deemed it best for his future and was planning on transferring somewhere in the summer, I think he technically could drop all his classes and spend the next few months working with a private QB coach while putting out feelers for who is going to need a QB after spring practice.
 

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I'm surprised nobody has gotten their panties in a wad and come in here screaming and yelling at mods to "shut this thread down."

I am anxious to hear how Hartman feels about Charlize Pheron as his new OC though. I wonder if Marqus has sat him down and talked with him?
 
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