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Basically. He was a huge upgrade over his predecessor when Kelly and Company first got here. Players were quite vocal about his positive impact on turning around the program from 2009-12.

Crazy to think that in the 3 years before BK got here ND won just 16 games. Folks are now pissed because we only won 33 in the last 3, lol.

And the Alabama fans are pissed that they have only won 38 games over that time. Amazing how the rise in expectations impact the fanbases. Hopefully we will someday be pissed at winning 38 in 3 years.
 

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And the Alabama fans are pissed that they have only won 38 games over that time. Amazing how the rise in expectations impact the fanbases. Hopefully we will someday be pissed at winning 38 in 3 years.

I hope not, what a miserable existence that would be. Gross.
 

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"When I first started, everybody said they just wanted us to be competitive. That first season in 1986 we went 5-6 and lost five games by a total of 14 points.

But people said, 'No, when we said competitive, we meant we want you to win.'

"So the next year we were 8-4 and played in a New Year's Day bowl. But they said, 'No, when we said we want you to win, we meant win them all.'

"So the next year we did win them all. We went 12-0 and won the national championship. But they said, 'No, you don't understand, we meant we want you to win big.' "

Lou Holtz
 

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Gilmore gets a bad rap but lets remember he didn't inherit much besides Day, Rochell & Romeo O. He oversaw the development of Jillery as a Fr. DT that year. He was also the DLine coach of record that brought in the '16 class of Okwara, Jones, Kareem (who he stole from Bama becuz of his relationship with Kareem's dad) and Ade O who decommitted from Fleck when Gilmore targeted him. Without Gilmore, that's a HUGE difference even going into next year. Gilmore landed or started the recruitments of Hayes, Ade O, the Ademilola's, Hinish and Ovie O. His legacy lives on big time.

That above earns him eternal reps plus D Ewell was a huge win at the time. Now, he does get some deductions for missing on the Ewell eval and for being the guy who brought in McCollister I guess but he's still net positive, by a bunch.

Also of note, I remember Sheldon Day publicly calling BK out for letting Gilmore go. Called him one of the best DL coaches in the country. Safe to say, he liked Gilmore more than Elston.

Last thought... he kinda started behind the 8 ball because of the '15 class he inherited. Besides Jillery it was the infamous 2 filler DT's = Tiassum & MDT plus Elijah Taylor never developed. On top of that, add the huge (and terrible) DL class of 2014. Elston basically got his DL job back by stocking Gilmore's room with 2 bad classes and then inherited Gilmore's 2016 haul + Hinish, The Ademilola's and Ovie O.
 

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This.

It's weird to me as well that people are saying the Rees hire shows that "we're comfortable where we are." If you're comfortable where you are, you don't fire your OC that's averaging 37 ppg. Keeping him and ignoring that he's not going to get you over the hill is the easy call to make if you're content to get 10 wins every season and ride out your career.

I think the argument centers on the scheme more than the individuals. Tommy's philosophy is being assumed to be centered around BK's, given his short history being anywhere else.
 

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The only tradition Oregon has is no tradition

Basically. He was a huge upgrade over his predecessor when Kelly and Company first got here. Players were quite vocal about his positive impact on turning around the program from 2009-12.

Crazy to think that in the 3 years before BK got here ND won just 16 games. Folks are now pissed because we only won 33 in the last 3, lol.

Folks are pissed because most of those games in that period should either be wins or closely contested games. Its the embarassments on national stages that hold ND down.
So like I said previously, we know what our coaching staff can produce. In 10 years I have seen enough to know that its not going any further than where its at now. You can be happy with 10 wins every year and Camping World bowl invites. I am not.

The outliers in 2017 was the stomping of USC and the LSU bowl win (full credit there). In turn we got murdered by Miami, clubbed by Stanford and lost to Georgia. 2018 was undefeated. Close wins vs BallSt, Vandy & Pitt. All teams that should have been dusted. Then of course the pounding by Clemson. 2019 impressive "loss" to Georgia and pounded at Michigan. A 10-2 ND teams goes to the camping world bowl? Thank Michigan for that.
 

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It is my opinion that the reason college football has been so top heavy with the same programs seeing success every year, is directly related to coaching turnover. Coaches that win 70% of their games or more don’t grow on trees. Patience directly contributed to many teams achieving success such as the Cornhuskers under Osborne and recently with Clemson under Sweeney. Both of those programs were thought to have reached their peak...then became dominant resulting in championship caliber teams. Kelly has reached his peak, and as no chance at winning a championship in the near future, because the success of past teams directly correlates to the achieved success in the future!
 

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It is my opinion that the reason college football has been so top heavy with the same programs seeing success every year, is directly related to coaching turnover. Coaches that win 70% of their games or more don’t grow on trees. Patience directly contributed to many teams achieving success such as the Cornhuskers under Osborne and recently with Clemson under Sweeney. Both of those programs were thought to have reached their peak...then became dominant resulting in championship caliber teams. Kelly has reached his peak, and as no chance at winning a championship in the near future, because the success of past teams directly correlates to the achieved success in the future!

We also have a good number of historically strong programs struggling in recent years. We'll get more flavor in the playoffs/top 10 when these schools get their $hit together:

USC
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Texas

You could even throw in schools like Oregon and Florida if you wanted to.
 

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We also have a good number of historically strong programs struggling in recent years. We'll get more flavor in the playoffs/top 10 when these schools get their $hit together:

USC
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Texas

You could even throw in schools like Oregon and Florida if you wanted to.

I wouldn't say Oregon or Florida are really "struggling" (nor would I call Oregon a "historically strong" program, for that matter). I'd put money on Oregon making the playoffs next year.

This stuff comes in waves. Aside from probably Ohio State, who always seems to be good, every elite program has had its strong periods and its weak periods. I'm not sure there are more big-name programs down today than, in say, the early-mid 2000s when it was all USC and Miami and Texas, while Bama and Notre Dame were down.

I think so much of it boils down to coaching, of course, and when these schools have a good coach they keep him, while the others keep turning themselves inside out to find one. I don't think you see as many elite college coaches going to the NFL as you might have in the past, and it's striking how some elite programs that have lost their iconic coach (Oklahoma, Ohio State) have emphasized continuity in their new coach instead of trying to reel in some big name from outside. (Of course, I guess Notre Dame did that when Davie replaced Holtz, with less stellar results.)

What I think is really interesting to watch is what schools like Georgia and LSU have done (and some say Notre Dame should do) and give up on a coach who is pretty darn good in the hopes of landing one who's just enough better. It's certainly a gamble.
 

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Tommy Rees has been reading defenses for a very long time. I don't feel like, looking back that most of Tommy's mistakes at the QB position were from making the wrong read, but more to the point of not physically being able to do what was needed ie: throwing deeper, or a tighter window or......just making certain throws that some QB's were born never being able to make in the first place. I guess this is the one time (outside of Clark Lea) I'm overly excited about an up and coming coach getting the gig at ND and looking forward to our offense in the next few years doing some big things.

The problems stemmed from the fact that there was nowhere to go with the ball more than Tommy's abilites.

How many times did you see 4 wrs line up and 3 of them just run "dummy routes" back then? You still see it now with some of the plays that Book has been given to execute at times.

BK's predictable O had been single-read up until Long came. There was only 1 place to go with the ball and Tommy was trying to make something out of nothing and had nowhere else to throw-think about all those red zone turnovers and inability to score inside the 25...
 

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The problems stemmed from the fact that there was nowhere to go with the ball more than Tommy's abilites.

How many times did you see 4 wrs line up and 3 of them just run "dummy routes" back then? You still see it now with some of the plays that Book has been given to execute at times.

BK's predictable O had been single-read up until Long came. There was only 1 place to go with the ball and Tommy was trying to make something out of nothing and had nowhere else to throw-think about all those red zone turnovers and inability to score inside the 25...


I'd really like to know just what offense you were watching.......3 "dummy" routes out of 4 WR sets???? Good grief, I get your not enamored by the Rees hire, but seriously.......come back when you have a valid argument.
 

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The problems stemmed from the fact that there was nowhere to go with the ball more than Tommy's abilites.

How many times did you see 4 wrs line up and 3 of them just run "dummy routes" back then? You still see it now with some of the plays that Book has been given to execute at times.

BK's predictable O had been single-read up until Long came. There was only 1 place to go with the ball and Tommy was trying to make something out of nothing and had nowhere else to throw-think about all those red zone turnovers and inability to score inside the 25...

And that offense that Book has been given was Chip Long's offense, or did that part escape you????
 

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The problems stemmed from the fact that there was nowhere to go with the ball more than Tommy's abilites.

How many times did you see 4 wrs line up and 3 of them just run "dummy routes" back then? You still see it now with some of the plays that Book has been given to execute at times.

BK's predictable O had been single-read up until Long came. There was only 1 place to go with the ball and Tommy was trying to make something out of nothing and had nowhere else to throw-think about all those red zone turnovers and inability to score inside the 25...

I love the "predictability" argument. Saying "Oh I knew that was going to happen" or "saw that coming' after the play does not count. I want one of the clowns who says that to live tweet/message board reply what is going to happen and the route options before the ball is snapped. Give me a break
 

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The problems stemmed from the fact that there was nowhere to go with the ball more than Tommy's abilites.

How many times did you see 4 wrs line up and 3 of them just run "dummy routes" back then? You still see it now with some of the plays that Book has been given to execute at times.

BK's predictable O had been single-read up until Long came. There was only 1 place to go with the ball and Tommy was trying to make something out of nothing and had nowhere else to throw-think about all those red zone turnovers and inability to score inside the 25...

This isn't true, at all. Or, you don't understand football very well. Saying a QB going to his primary read frequently and equating that to the other WR's running dummy routes is laughable at best. The primary read is just that for a reason.
 

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In 2013 Koyack and Niklas, as TE's, combined for 42 catches, 669 yards, and 8 TD's. That's very good production from the TE position. This isn't happening if Tommy is throwing to 1 WR while everyone else is running 'dummy' routes.
 

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In 2013 Koyack and Niklas, as TE's, combined for 42 catches, 669 yards, and 8 TD's. That's very good production from the TE position. This isn't happening if Tommy is throwing to 1 WR while everyone else is running 'dummy' routes.

Davaris Daniels the #2 receiver had 46 catches for 720 yards and 7 TDs that year too.

Speaking of Davaris, damn that 2014 receiving corps would have been loaded between him, Fuller, Robinson, and CJ Holmes. It's too bad the Frozen Five happened
 

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Davaris Daniels the #2 receiver had 46 catches for 720 yards and 7 TDs that year too.

Speaking of Davaris, damn that 2014 receiving corps would have been loaded between him, Fuller, Robinson, and CJ Holmes. It's too bad the Frozen Five happened

And in 2011, when you have Michael 'fricking' Floyd (100 receptions), of course you are going to move him around the formation to get him favorable matchups or 1 on 1 opportunities. That's just smart offense with an insane talent like that. That's what has led to incredibly productive years from other WR's like Fuller or TE's like Eifert. However, that same season, Riddick and Jones also had 38 receptions. While Eifert had 63.

Some really bizarre hot takes to come out swinging with.
 

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And in 2011, when you have Michael 'fricking' Floyd (100 receptions), of course you are going to move him around the formation to get him favorable matchups or 1 on 1 opportunities. That's just smart offense with an insane talent like that. That's what has led to incredibly productive years from other WR's like Fuller or TE's like Eifert. However, that same season, Riddick and Jones also had 38 receptions. While Eifert had 63.

Some really bizarre hot takes to come out swinging with.

it was like reading posts from 247 articles on facebook w/ people's comments....throwing shit out there and seeing what sticks....
 

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II believes as of today that John McNulty is already on staff and working even though it hasn't been announced.
 
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If true, he's experienced at the very least all over different levels and different positions within the offense.

Knowing literally nothing else about him --- I like the sounds of bringing in a guy who's seen it all to help Tommy in whatever way he can.

I don't think we could wing it with another young guy on the offensive side, IMO.
 

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If true, he's experienced at the very least all over different levels and different positions within the offense.

Knowing literally nothing else about him --- I like the sounds of bringing in a guy who's seen it all to help Tommy in whatever way he can.

I don't think we could wing it with another young guy on the offensive side, IMO.

Yeah another experienced and older coach was a necessity. I think I would have rather had Malone, but this will do IMO
 

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It's already on his Wikipedia page...

I hope he can croot.


Yup, it is on his Wikipedia page. That page notes:

This page was last edited on 30 January 2020, at 18:01 (UTC).

The page was last edited the same date, 30 January, Bryan Driskell's article on the McNulty interview was published.

https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-coaching-candidate-john-mcnulty


Interesting to note that every work assignment section of McNulty's Wikipedia page has a citation ... except the Notre Dame position.

Anyone with an account can edit a Wikipedia page. Material is supposed to be sourced the ND info is not. That doesn't make it wrong but neither does it make it fact. Time will tell.


Click on the word [edit] after the Notre Dame title (or any other [edit] and you'll get this message:

Welcome to Wikipedia
Anyone can edit, and every improvement helps.
Thank you for helping the world discover more!
 

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I was just about to say this. lol Why do some people feel like they HAVE to be the first to post something. Dude hasn't even been announced yet.

Somebody has to be first. Besides, while ND is very near and dear to us, it's not like they're announcing the Iowa caucuses results!
 

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<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1580938427"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/notredamefootball/comments/ezflcu/notre_dame_has_hired_john_mcnulty_to_be_the_new/">Notre Dame has hired John McNulty to be the new offensive assistants coach.</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/notredamefootball">r/notredamefootball</a></blockquote>
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Driskell thinks the DB coach job is down to Parker from GB and Mickens from UC
 
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