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[koonja]

No one said anything about blowing our chances of him visiting. Come on man. 'Chances of him visiting' does not equal 'chances with him'. Come on.

Yeah, it didn't blow our chances with him either. Unless you have a reason to think the family/Robert asked for this not to be reported, I really don't understand how you're concerned about this.

Jaylon Kelly Powell is also visiting, per Loy. Are you worried about that blowing our chances with him?

 

[koonja]

Dude, again, no one is saying it matters to Beal about a visit. Totally missing the point.

Agree to disagree, or see things differently.

No, I'm not missing the point, you just had to clarify whether you thought this hurt our chances with him, or simply visiting.

But either way, there's literally no reason to think this hurts either.

 

[Ironman8]

No, I'm not missing the point, you just had to clarify whether you thought this hurt our chances with him, or simply visiting.

But either way, there's literally no reason to think this hurts either.

There literally is a reason. Don't think one can reasonably state there is 'literally no reason to think'... when one is not directly involved in a situation, but you are entitled to your opinion, and we will agree to disagree.

 

[koonja]

There literally is a reason. Don't think one can reasonably state there is 'literally no reason to think'... when one is not directly involved in a situation, but you are entitled to your opinion, and we will agree to disagree.

Well if you're just going to stop in and say 'I know something but won't share' then there's no sense in spilling our wheels.

But even with whatever it is you claim to know, I bet he visits for II. And I bet that visit has a hell of a lot more to do with where he signs that Loy reporting that he's visiting.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

If any recruit decides to not go to a school based off someone crystal balling them then they don't need to be playing football at Notre Dame.

 

[Ironman8]

Well if you're just going to stop in and say 'I know something but won't share' then there's no sense in spilling our wheels.

But even with whatever it is you claim to know, I bet he visits for II. And I bet that visit has a hell of a lot more to do with where he signs that Loy reporting that someone is visiting.

I don't claim to know any inside information or be involved. Again, if you read, all I stated was you can not state there isn't a reason without being involved, and that there is a possible reason why it would hurt the chances with him for this to be out there early.

You flatly stated 'there is literally no reason', and I can easily find a reason: You don't think ND would be feeling MUCH better about where they can and could stand with Robert if they had an extra month or so of recruiting him without any of the southern teams knowing they had to recruit against ND again? If you don't believe that would have any impact on the situation, then I think you may not know recruiting in the south, particularly south vs. ND recruiting, very well.

 

[pumpdog20]

If Beal doesn't come here because some goober who's not associated with the university leaked a visit, of all things, then he wasn't coming here to begin with. No reason to spaz about it.

 

[gkIrish]

Nothing ethical involved in this one. It is simply a matter of possibly hurting ND's recruiting chances with Beal for a 'scoop'. Probably a fine business decision for him personally, but I just wonder would his subscribers (presumably ND fans) prefer to find out something like this a few weeks later and improve their chances at a 5 star DE, or find out ASAP and risk worse odds?

Seems like you are fine with the latter, but personally I prefer the former in these cases.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be mad at Loy for potentially hurting ND's chances. I'm saying it's his job to report news and I'm not going to bash the guy for actually doing his job. I kill recruiting sites for not reporting news all the time, so I'm not going to change my stance just because the end result may hurt our chances.

 

[koonja]

I don't claim to know any inside information or be involved. Again, if you read, all I stated was you can not state there isn't a reason without being involved, and that there is a possible reason why it would hurt the chances with him for this to be out there early.

You flatly stated 'there is literally no reason', and I can easily find a reason: You don't think ND would be feeling MUCH better about where they can and could stand with Robert if they had an extra month or so of recruiting him without any of the southern teams knowing they had to recruit against ND again? If you don't believe that would have any impact on the situation, then I think you may not know recruiting in the south, particularly south vs. ND recruiting, very well.

I have a monkey in my pocket. You cannot say I literally don't have that monkey without being involved. I'm just saying, out of the tens of thousands of visits uncommitted prospects make every summer, odds are that REPORTING A VISIT isn't going to mean squat.

And no, I don't think that'll matter. Beal has been committed to ND, ND is his dream school, he visited ND on his own dime last year, his sister is apparently out of the picture. I think he gets it. I don't think he's afraid to visit (again) because the SEC really wants him. They'll get their shot, and it sounds ND will too.

 

[ACamp1900]

Wait, what are we all mad about again,... someone explain it to me so I can be sure my feigned indignation is properly placed...

 

[Ironman8]

I'm not saying you shouldn't be mad at Loy for potentially hurting ND's chances. I'm saying it's his job to report news and I'm not going to bash the guy for actually doing his job. I kill recruiting sites for not reporting news all the time, so I'm not going to change my stance just because the end result may hurt our chances.

I understand man. I'm not bashing Loy for 'doing his job'. All I am saying is I hope he doesn't hurt our chances at landing Robert to beat everyone to the punch here, and that I would personally prefer from my ND pay sites the reporters to consider not only reporting the news as it comes, but using judgement when and how to report when it may impact a kid's recruitment.

Like I said before, in a vacuum I'd rather any ND pay site hold back news if it improved our chances with someone rather than report all news as it comes up. Is news nice to have as it comes up? Absolutely. But as a ND fan I'd rather have an increased chance at landing the kid, even if that increase is small percentage-wise, then always need the information ASAP.

My point here is I think ND would have benefited from recruiting Robert quietly for a longer period of time with the Southern schools in the dark as to ND's position, vs. now being alerted to ND being back in and getting to start neg recruiting again. We have seen before when ND's position is leaked it has hurt then with schools ramping up recruiting against them. I just hope it doesn't happen here.

 

[Ironman8]

I have a monkey in my pocket. You cannot say I literally don't have that monkey without being involved. I'm just saying, out of the tens of thousands of visits uncommitted prospects make every summer, odds are that REPORTING A VISIT isn't going to mean squat.

And no, I don't think that'll matter. Beal has been committed to ND, ND is his dream school, he visited ND on his own dime last year, his sister is apparently out of the picture. I think he gets it. I don't think he's afraid to visit (again) because the SEC really wants him. They'll get their shot, and it sounds ND will too.

I can't say you don't have a monkey in your pocket. Don't get your point there - seems like you are just confirming mine. You either got big pockets or a small monkey. Either way - enjoy it sir.

The visit is not the issue for me, again. But I'm not going to go in circles with you man. I've given my thoughts. You are entitled to yours. I hope you are right.

 

[koonja]

I can't say you don't have a monkey in your pocket. Don't get your point there - seems like you are just confirming mine. You either got big pockets or a small monkey. Either way - enjoy it sir.

The visit is not the issue for me, again. But I'm not going to go in circles with you man. I've given my thoughts. You are entitled to yours. I hope you are right.

I'llacknowledge your theory. But to that I'd say, ok, so the sec powers find out about the visit, and spend the rest of may bashing ND to stop him from considering us... he gets all of this negativity in his head now (as opposed to after the Irish invasion when they find out he visited), and the staff then has Irish invasion to squash out the negative recruiting.

Flip side, sec doesn't find out cause lot didn't report it. He visits Irish invasion with a clear head, then gets back to Georgia and the ND negative recruiting happens, and our coaches have to squash it over a phone call rather Than on campus with our lady.

So if your theory is true, i still like how this will play out, and let the sec take its best shot so all of his preconceived notions be put to rest when he brings them to campus

 

[Ironman8]

I'llacknowledge your theory. But to that I'd say, ok, so the sec powers find out about the visit, and spend the rest of may bashing ND to stop him from considering us... he gets all of this negativity in his head now (as opposed to after the Irish invasion when they find out he visited), and the staff then has Irish invasion to squash out the negative recruiting.

Flip side, sec doesn't find out cause lot didn't report it. He visits Irish invasion with a clear head, then gets back to Georgia and the ND negative recruiting happens, and our coaches have to squash it over a phone call rather Than on campus with our lady.

So if your theory is true, i still like how this will play out, and let the sec take its best shot so all of his preconceived notions be put to rest when he brings them to campus

What if the negative recruiting keeps him from the Invasion? What if the negative recruiting puts things in his head about ND that have an adverse influence during visit at the Invasion?

If he comes with ND having a significant period to recruit him quietly, I firmly believe it improves our chance at a re-commit or a much increased standing. Then, if in your theory the SEC powers start neg recruiting, we have calls, an OV, and in homes to combat it after a great visit, after weeks of effective, unimpeded recruiting. For ND, that is always a huge thing, and could put us in a really, really good position. But I can see a scenario where negative recruiting does not allow him to have the same time of visit (if he comes) as if he was coming on a pre-visit high of positive recruiting. Can't you?

 

[koonja]

Im on the road and only read the first line. I don't think it keeps him from visiting for II. So I don't think anything else matters.

 

[ND NYC]

koon how can you not grasp what ironman is saying here?

 

[gkIrish]

What if the negative recruiting keeps him from the Invasion? What if the negative recruiting puts things in his head about ND that have an adverse influence during visit at the Invasion?

If he comes with ND having a significant period to recruit him quietly, I firmly believe it improves our chance at a re-commit or a much increased standing. Then, if in your theory the SEC powers start neg recruiting, we have calls, an OV, and in homes to combat it after a great visit, after weeks of effective, unimpeded recruiting. For ND, that is always a huge thing, and could put us in a really, really good position. But I can see a scenario where negative recruiting does not allow him to have the same time of visit (if he comes) as if he was coming on a pre-visit high of positive recruiting. Can't you?

I think both you and Koon raise valid points. I think it could really go either way. Considering the fact that we lost Beal once already, and we have not had a great track record with elite defensive recruits in the last few years, it's possible that whatever the staff thinks is best may actually not be so.

 

[koonja]

koon how can you not grasp what ironman is saying here?

I can. I'm telling him realx. He's looking at something that's 99% likely to not matter at all, and drill g down to worst case scenario. So again, relax.

 

[Ironman8]

I think both you and Koon raise valid points. I think it could really go either way. Considering the fact that we lost Beal once already, and we have not had a great track record with elite defensive recruits in the last few years, it's possible that whatever the staff thinks is best may actually not be so.

Definitely possible too, and a very good point. But I have to think (hope) that more recruiting from us without negative recruiting against us has to increase our chances, if only a tiny bit, rather than the alternative.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I have a monkey in my pocket. You cannot say I literally don't have that monkey without being involved. I'm just saying, out of the tens of thousands of visits uncommitted prospects make every summer, odds are that REPORTING A VISIT isn't going to mean squat.

And no, I don't think that'll matter. Beal has been committed to ND, ND is his dream school, he visited ND on his own dime last year, his sister is apparently out of the picture. I think he gets it. I don't think he's afraid to visit (again) because the SEC really wants him. They'll get their shot, and it sounds ND will too.

Monkey.....naw. Lemmiwinks.....yea, I could buy that.

 

[IrishLax]

Pretty much every other site (II, ISD, etc.) is run by people who are fans of ND. That's why they sit on stories when it's in the best interest of the program.

Loy is not a Notre Dame fan. He has no reason not to scoop these other people who are sitting on the story and puff his chest for the clicks. That's doing his job.

 

[Ironman8]

Pretty much every other site (II, ISD, etc.) is run by people who are fans of ND. That's why they sit on stories when it's in the best interest of the program.

Loy is not a Notre Dame fan. He has no reason not to scoop these other people who are sitting on the story and puff his chest for the clicks. That's doing his job.

Totally agree. My only wish (preference really) is sites who cater to what's best for ND if they can influence that. Loy (not to bash on him, just because he is the guy in this instance) can break the story to be first and do his job. But, to me, his job could also be done by making ND fans happy in his reporting. And personally, I'd give 24/7 money (I stopped) if they kept an eye to not harming ND in recruiting if possible like the other sites do, rather than be in a rush to be first to report news.

He is great at reporting. He works incredibly hard and out produces most people not only at 24/7 but across pay sites. That's just not personally what I want to pay for in a Notre Dame recruiting site, and that's just my personal opinion and preference.

My bottom line is hypothetically I'd rather have a 60% shot at a recruit and hear about it a month later than I could, than have a 50% shot and hear about it earlier. That's just my preference as a ND fan. Not saying those are the percentages for Beal or that it's definitely going to impact his recruitment significantly. I'm just saying it's possible, it's happened before, and I hope it doesn't happen here.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

This might be more ridiculous than anything I've seen in the politics thread haha

 

[Sherm Sticky]

My head hurts


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[BobbyMac]

I wish there was a translate button on this thread that converted Jibberjabber into English. Sometimes I wonder about you kids. Now get off my lawn.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I don't claim to know any inside information or be involved. Again, if you read, all I stated was you can not state there isn't a reason without being involved, and that there is a possible reason why it would hurt the chances with him for this to be out there early.



You flatly stated 'there is literally no reason', and I can easily find a reason: You don't think ND would be feeling MUCH better about where they can and could stand with Robert if they had an extra month or so of recruiting him without any of the southern teams knowing they had to recruit against ND again? If you don't believe that would have any impact on the situation, then I think you may not know recruiting in the south, particularly south vs. ND recruiting, very well.

Wouldn't all those schools be heavily recruiting him anyways, regardless of his stance on ND?

 

[DCIrish]

If the kid likes ND and really wants to be there then negative recruiting won't matter.

Much ado about nothing.

 

[yankeeND]

I am not really sure what he hell the problem is here... well except that recruiting has made some of you paranoid lol. We had him, lost him, and now have a chance at him again. I can only see this as a good thing.

 

[Rocket89]

The moral outrage towards 247 rears its ugly head again! Lads, it's college football recruiting.

 

[Ironman8]

Wouldn't all those schools be heavily recruiting him anyways, regardless of his stance on ND?

Difference is recruiting him heavily, vs recruiting against ND heavily. There is a big difference for ND recruiting.

Again, I have no idea if this is going to matter at all or not. Only said I hope it doesn't matter. But it's not crazy to think it could or may since 1) it has before and 2) individuals at other sites obviously have similar feelings either personally or conveyed from ND if the sat on the info.

I would LOVE to be paranoid and proved crazy.