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[greyhammer90]

I edited my post. But still silly comment IMO. They won the National Title!


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I really don't understand why our smack talk on an ND board needs to be based in facts, theirs certainly isn't.

EDIT: Actually ours is still based in facts. So I rescind that remark as well.

 

[Domina Nostra]

They just beat Alabama and Oregon to win the National title.

We are still losing to crappy teams like Pitt and Northwestern.

I'm not trying to be snarky but the reality is that we are not in their league on the football field.

Academics are another thing but honestly, if you want it you can get a really good degree from almost anywhere.

I disagree. They were very good by the end of the year, and we fell apart, but they are not in some different league. They lost to a mediocre VT team, beat PSU in OT, and squeaked by Minnesota. They got very hot and beat a beatable Alabama team in a down year for the SEC West, and a soft Oregon team.

Its not all winners win. In 2013, Urban played an incredibly easy schedule then lost to the MSU team we beat, and then Clemson. In 2014, they were close, got over the hump and got hot at the right time.

We aren't there yet, but I would not be afraid to play OSU next year.

 

[Irish Storm]

I disagree. They were very good by the end of the year, and we fell apart, but they are not in some different league. They lost to a mediocre VT team, beat PSU in OT, and squeaked by Minnesota. They got very hot and beat a beatable Alabama team in a down year for the SEC West, and a soft Oregon team.

Its not all winners win. In 2013, Urban played an incredibly easy schedule then lost to the MSU team we beat, and then Clemson. In 2014, they were close, got over the hump and got hot at the right time.

We aren't there yet, but I would not be afraid to play OSU next year.

That's fair to a degree but by the usc game, they were destroying Wisconsin. Had we played them it would have been a blood bath.

We need to stop the hype and the talk and just win.

Win and win convincingly against inferior teams.

 

[IrishLax]

Here's the weird thing about OSU... they were very ordinary until Barrett went down. ND healthy was every bit as good as OSU lead by Barrett. OSU lost at home to a bad Virginia Tech team and absolutely cheated a bad PSU team.

The decimated ND team we saw against USC would've lost by 50+ to the Cardale Jones OSU. With Cardale Jones they tweaked their offense to almost Tebow-esque and it was just beautiful. The rushing of Cardale Jones was so awesome to watch... he was an untackable beast.

 

[MNIrishman]

I edited my post. But still silly comment IMO. They won the National Title!


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They did. But they also lost to a crappy ACC team. I'm not just throwing muck, I actually like OSU, but that's a stupid thing to say after your only loss was to the only ACC team you played.

 

[ThePiombino]

Agree. We are making incremental gains in talent but we still have a way to go. I do think we'll see a lot of progress on the D side. The O is still a wildcard to me, primarily in the QB space. IMO we could end up in the playoff if things progress, or could fall out of the top 25 entirely if TOs become a factor again. Ready for the season to start.

I see it the complete opposite way. Offense is the one thing we can rely on. We can safely assume we will be no worse than last year, likely better. We scored plenty of points to win. The defense, as we all know, was the achilles. While we have (reported) marked improvement at safety and KVR returning at corner, our linebackers remain largely unproven and our D-line has been admittedly underwhelming. If we're going to have a disappointing season, it won't be for the offense's shortcomings.

 

[BobbyMac]

Here's the weird thing about OSU... they were very ordinary until Barrett went down. ND healthy was every bit as good as OSU lead by Barrett. OSU lost at home to a bad Virginia Tech team and absolutely cheated a bad PSU team.

The decimated ND team we saw against USC would've lost by 50+ to the Cardale Jones OSU. With Cardale Jones they tweaked their offense to almost Tebow-esque and it was just beautiful. The rushing of Cardale Jones was so awesome to watch... he was an untackable beast.

The stats show that OSU was better because they gave the ball more to Zeke Elliot once Barrett was hurt and his ypc went up, way up... because of....??? Better blocking? Better play calling? A light went off in Elliot's head?

Barrett was a much better runner than Jones and passed for 236 per vs. Jones 243 over the last 3 games.

What really happened to OSU? i don't follow them so I have no idea.

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[dublinirish]

I see it the complete opposite way. Offense is the one thing we can rely on. We can safely assume we will be no worse than last year, likely better. We scored plenty of points to win. The defense, as we all know, was the achilles. While we have (reported) marked improvement at safety and KVR returning at corner, our linebackers remain largely unproven and our D-line has been admittedly underwhelming. If we're going to have a disappointing season, it won't be for the offense's shortcomings.

I actually think there is nothing wrong at all with the offense, to me the big issues last year and this year will be playcalling and game planning. If BK and the staff get this right this year then there is no reason why the offense can't dominate other teams

 

[ThePiombino]

I actually think there is nothing wrong at all with the offense, to be the big issues last year and this year will be playcalling and game planning. If BK and the staff get this right this year then there is no reason why the offense can't dominate other teams

That's what I said - offense isn't what will hold us back. Defense (potentially) is.

 

[IrishLax]

The stats show that OSU was better because they gave the ball more to Zeke Elliot once Barrett was hurt and his ypc went up, way up... because of....??? Better blocking? Better play calling? A light went off in Elliot's head?

Barrett was a much better runner than Jones and passed for 236 per vs. Jones 243 over the last 3 games.

What really happened to OSU? i don't follow them so I have no idea.

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Doesn't tell the full tale. Where Cardale Jones helped was in his ability to pick up 3rd downs. Their adjusted 3rd down conversion rate went sky high under Jones vs. Barrett. They committed to a rather simple run-first attack that really only put the ball in the air to keep the defense honest, and they ended up scoring 40+ in three straight games on big stages against elite competition. Was great to watch.

If there is a case to be made for Zaire at all, it's that you could try something similar with our OL and backs instead of trying to sling the ball all over the field.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Doesn't tell the full tale. Where Cardale Jones helped was in his ability to pick up 3rd downs. Their adjusted 3rd down conversion rate went sky high under Jones vs. Barrett. They committed to a rather simple run-first attack that really only put the ball in the air to keep the defense honest, and they ended up scoring 40+ in three straight games on big stages against elite competition. Was great to watch.

If there is a case to be made for Zaire at all, it's that you could try something similar with our OL and backs instead of trying to sling the ball all over the field.

Very similar to what we did in 2012. Urban kept it simple and on the ground. The major difference was that where we had a 5'11 185 pound Everett Golson, they had a 6'5 250 pound Cardale Jones who was just as fast as Golson. In addition, their offensive line was much better than ours in 2012, their receiving threats better than ours and RB's better than ours.

The strengths of Zaire are why, at the very least, he'll see time in the redzone. You don't find QB's that are 6'1 225 pounds on a regular basis, who can run like Zaire, and execute the read option like him either.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm confused.....Is this a Liam Eichenberg or ND vs. OSU thread?

 

[Booslum31]

I'm confused.....Is this a Liam Eichenberg or ND vs. OSU thread?

That's funny. The Liam thread on the OSU site turned into the same OSU v. ND debate. Hoping Liam doesn't buy what Urbie is selling.

 

[irish4ever]

Yes, let's focus on Liam. Do want ... hopefully he'll end up an Irish commit within a short period of time.

 

[ND NYC]

still cant believe we slow played Ezekiel....

 

[IrishLion]

still cant believe we slow played Ezekiel....

Why? He would have been riding pine as a safety along with Redfield and Shumate last season, while watching Tranquil and Collinsworth flail around trying to make plays.

 

[ND NYC]

Why? He would have been riding pine as a safety along with Redfield and Shumate last season, while watching Tranquil and Collinsworth flail around trying to make plays.

he's RB

 

[IrishLion]

he's RB

ND was recruiting him to play safety.

I was trying to make a joke about elite athletes sitting the bench at safety for ND.

 

[ginman]

ND was recruiting him to play safety.

I was trying to make a joke about elite athletes sitting the bench at safety for ND.

There is nothing funny about our elite players watching football games from the bench. I don't get it, how's that funny?

 

[GowerND11]

he's RB

He was being recruited as a safety...

Edit: IrishLion beat me to it.

 

[IrishLion]

There is nothing funny about our elite players watching football games from the bench. I don't get it, how's that funny?

It's funny to me in a gallows-humor type of way, because it actually happened, against what appeared to be nearly all logical reasoning. At some point you have to laugh so you don't cry, you know?

 

[ginman]

It's funny to me in a gallows-humor type of way, because it actually happened, against what appeared to be nearly all logical reasoning. At some point you have to laugh so you don't cry, you know?

ok, .... i didn't think i needed italics

 

[IrishLion]

ok, .... i didn't think i needed italics

I had this fear as soon as I posted haha, my bad.

 

[ginman]

I had this fear as soon as I posted haha, my bad.

LOL- no problem - bring back the best tacos thread and all will be good

 

[IrishLion]

C) I will get in a long angry argument with anyone that tries to rationally state as fact that OSU's offensive line of any recent year is superior to ND's line of any recent year. Anyone who lays difference of offenses and blocking schemes on quality of play deserves to be exposed as a mouth-breathin', pencil-necked, elderberry smellin' hamster fvcker that they clearly are! THAT is all!

You don't think OSU's offensive line was better than ND's last year?

 

[Irish Man3]

The stats show that OSU was better because they gave the ball more to Zeke Elliot once Barrett was hurt and his ypc went up, way up... because of....??? Better blocking? Better play calling? A light went off in Elliot's head?

Barrett was a much better runner than Jones and passed for 236 per vs. Jones 243 over the last 3 games.

What really happened to OSU? i don't follow them so I have no idea.

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Holes got bigger because defenses had to defend designed runs from Cardale. Not scrambling to keep plays alive..... designed draws from a 260lb train. That tends to suck the defense in and create lanes for Zeke.

 

[dublinirish]

Holes got bigger because defenses had to defend designed runs from Cardale. Not scrambling to keep plays alive..... designed draws from a 260lb train. That tends to suck the defense in and create lanes for Zeke.

a bit of a perfect storm really, no way Cardale could have lasted a whole season playing the way he did vs Bama and Oregon. Kid is massive but definitely not in the best shape, i doubt his body would have held up to the punishment

 

[Whiskeyjack]

They just beat Alabama and Oregon to win the National title.

We are still losing to crappy teams like Pitt and Northwestern.

I'm not trying to be snarky but the reality is that we are not in their league on the football field.

That's fair to a degree but by the usc game, they were destroying Wisconsin. Had we played them it would have been a blood bath.

We need to stop the hype and the talk and just win.

Win and win convincingly against inferior teams.

I have a real problem with this sentiment, which pops up on NDFB message boards frequently.

One of the mouth-breathers on Bucknuts commented "have fun losing to crappy ACC teams...", and MNIrishman pointed out the irony that OSU's only loss last year was to a very bad VT team. He didn't respond with "LOL ND > OSU"; he merely made a very appropriate observation about how stupid that comment was.

But any time we criticize one of the f*cking semi-pro football factories ND is constantly compared to, some salty old Subway Alum chimes in with, "We haven't won a championship in 27 years, guys..."

F*ck you. We competed for one three years ago with the best GSR in the nation. No team had ever been rated #1 in GSR and #1 in the polls before. Stanford is the only other school in the country who offers championship-caliber football and elite degree value.

It obviously chaps your as$ that Buckeye fans can beat their chests about the Natty on the bar stools next to yours. But if you can't muster a defense of ND until we win another championship (which may never happen), then that's a "you" problem. Have a little pride in your team, or find another program to root for.

Academics are another thing but honestly, if you want it you can get a really good degree from almost anywhere.

Yeah, you really don't get ND.

 

[Rack Em]

I have a real problem with this sentiment, which pops up on NDFB message boards frequently.

One of the mouth-breathers on Bucknuts commented "have fun losing to crappy ACC teams...", and MNIrishman pointed out the irony that OSU's only loss last year was to a very bad VT team. He didn't respond with "LOL ND > OSU"; he merely made a very appropriate observation about how stupid that comment was.

But any time we criticize one of the f*cking semi-pro football factories ND is constantly compared to, some salty old Subway Alum chimes in with, "We haven't won a championship in 27 years, guys..."

F*ck you. We competed for one three years ago with the best GSR in the nation. No team had ever been rated #1 in GSR and #1 in the polls before. Stanford is the only other school in the country who offers championship-caliber football and elite degree value.

It obviously chaps your as$ that Buckeye fans can beat their chests about the Natty on the bar stools next to yours. But if you can't muster a defense of ND until we win another championship (which may never happen), then that's a "you" problem. Have a little pride in your team, or find another program to root for.



Yeah, you really don't get ND.

The kraken is awake

 

[MNIrishman]

I have a real problem with this sentiment, which pops up on NDFB message boards frequently.

One of the mouth-breathers on Bucknuts commented "have fun losing to crappy ACC teams...", and MNIrishman pointed out the irony that OSU's only loss last year was to a very bad VT team. He didn't respond with "LOL ND > OSU"; he merely made a very appropriate observation about how stupid that comment was.

But any time we criticize one of the f*cking semi-pro football factories ND is constantly compared to, some salty old Subway Alum chimes in with, "We haven't won a championship in 27 years, guys..."

F*ck you. We competed for one three years ago with the best GSR in the nation. No team had ever been rated #1 in GSR and #1 in the polls before. Stanford is the only other school in the country who offers championship-caliber football and elite degree value.

It obviously chaps your as$ that Buckeye fans can beat their chests about the Natty on the bar stools next to yours. But if you can't muster a defense of ND until we win another championship (which may never happen), then that's a "you" problem. Have a little pride in your team, or find another program to root for.



Yeah, you really don't get ND.

So the thing is, I attended OSU for several classes in high school. I'm an Nth generation Buckeye, and several of my friends went to OSU. I worked there in the physics department during summers. Believe me when I say that "you can get a really good degree from anywhere" is a gross oversimplification. The support is different. The motive to do work off the field is different. The environment is different. The alumni network is different (theirs is larger, but ours actually gives a damn. When my dad, an OSU alum, owned his own business, he often turned down OSU grads for jobs because their program was awful. No one in Ohio gives a flying f*ck that you went to OSU. So did everybody else).

My friends who went there to study engineering got involved in the Buckeye Bullet and that kicked ass. That's something ND doesn't have. However, my friends at ND who studied engineering are now at Northrop Grumman, NASA, and Raytheon, while my friends at OSU struggled to find jobs.

OSU has great resources, but Craig Krenzel aside (the eternal example that gets trotted out every time someone questions OSU's academics), I don't know that football players have access to those resources in the same way as regular students. Cardale Jones isn't taking advantage of the Buckeye Bullet experience, for example.