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Not until next year. Two fold for a game and my son is looking at going to ND. We are also going to Evanston to check at NU.
Oct 31 | Temple
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Not until next year. Two fold for a game and my son is looking at going to ND. We are also going to Evanston to check at NU.
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1. I forgot we still had Baratti.
2. That was the worst attempt at a tackle that I've maybe ever seen.
2. That was the worst attempt at a tackle that I've maybe ever seen.
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I really wanted to punch these guys, but I'll take a win any day. Why do we play like crap in November? That red zone offense was weak, we gotta fix that. I don't get it really...if they're stacking the box, then get the ball to the outside or look for the corner on a fade. If they're playing man, we should be able to muscle our way in, no? I don't know, maybe that's why I'm not a coach.
I thought Hunter stepped up on some big plays since Temple was rolling coverage over to Fuller. Chris Brown had some big plays too, I didn't realize he was the leading receiver. Jones had that huge play, and Amir had a big gain too. Other than the 1 pick that was on him, Kizer was excellent and the receivers were pretty good too. I thought they should have been able to beat Temple's defenders a bit more, but at least they figured it out when they needed to.
We need to find more ways to get CJ the ball when the defense is trying to shut him down. Whether it's a pitch, or more passes, I don't know, but there's no reason we shouldn't be tossing the ball to him as a former slot receiver. He needs more than 14 touches a game, we just have to get him to the outside more and let our receivers create lanes for him.
I was very disappointed in KVR until the big pick, he somewhat redeemed himself again there. Is his head just not in the game until things are dire? Seems like Temple was picking on him a bunch this game. I don't know. I'll say this, people marvel at the conditioning these guys display that take a year off football. People expect them to come back as good or better than before they left, but KVR definitely seems to have lost a bit or he's struggled at times in BVG's system. Golson certainly didn't come back at the top of his game after all that training with Whitfield. There's no replacement for live practice and game situations.
I thought Hunter stepped up on some big plays since Temple was rolling coverage over to Fuller. Chris Brown had some big plays too, I didn't realize he was the leading receiver. Jones had that huge play, and Amir had a big gain too. Other than the 1 pick that was on him, Kizer was excellent and the receivers were pretty good too. I thought they should have been able to beat Temple's defenders a bit more, but at least they figured it out when they needed to.
We need to find more ways to get CJ the ball when the defense is trying to shut him down. Whether it's a pitch, or more passes, I don't know, but there's no reason we shouldn't be tossing the ball to him as a former slot receiver. He needs more than 14 touches a game, we just have to get him to the outside more and let our receivers create lanes for him.
I was very disappointed in KVR until the big pick, he somewhat redeemed himself again there. Is his head just not in the game until things are dire? Seems like Temple was picking on him a bunch this game. I don't know. I'll say this, people marvel at the conditioning these guys display that take a year off football. People expect them to come back as good or better than before they left, but KVR definitely seems to have lost a bit or he's struggled at times in BVG's system. Golson certainly didn't come back at the top of his game after all that training with Whitfield. There's no replacement for live practice and game situations.
"Could of"? That is not even a phrase, so it literally means nothing, as does the fact that Grimes is an alum of ND, who was frankly way out of line in that moment leading up to and including what was shown on TV.
Grimes COULD HAVE (could've) been less of an idiot, but also if his actions COULD HAVE resulted in a PF on the sideline, then BK had every right to get into is face.
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Pretty astute analysis!
Temple under Matt Rhule is possibly the best coached team with the best game plan of any team this year. As great as Venable obviously is for Clemson, Snow had him beat hands down. Rhule and Snow took a lot less talent and went way further!
I was personally wrong in my assessment of Temple. I missed two huge aspects of Temple's abilities. They are a far faster team than I recognized in watching their game tapes. (I know that all four of the db's could have been charged with felonies for mugging last night, but that doesn't matter. The Owls did what it took for them to win the game!)
And all night long they stayed in good position, and waited for ND to make a mistake. That is exactly the solution to the enigma that is Temple's offense! They are not great at anything. They are there. And they keep drilling. Until you miss an assignment. And then they pounce. They are explosive and one of the best coached teams I have ever seen. Their position coaches are second to none.
This wasn't the mid-major team of old. This was a well polished, top 25 team, capable of beating anyone this year on a given Saturday. And they were prepared to do what it takes physically, and mentally to make that happen!
Which is why I think that was as good of a victory as anyone had yesterday. Even a bit better than the U of M win over U of M. Whose victory would you rather have, ND's or Stanford's? As my bfom Johnny would say, "anyone who disagreed with this point is nothing but a butt-hurt Irish fan in name only, that should slither or crawl over to Domer Domain or NDNation!"
Speaking of BFMO's : Johnny, NDFAN, BGIF, et al.; you are all right! It was a terrible situation. But the refs had a major hand in the thing.
Grimes vocals had been building to a crescendo. He had been warned. He was taking the refereeing, (or lack there of) personally! Especially when the wide receivers were getting mugged and the line was called for offensive pass interference.
The line was dealing with hands to the face all game long, as well as defensive holding. Part of it was Temple coached good position and the defensive players were very mobile. Part of it is they were committing fouls, sometimes dangerous ones regularly. There were a number of face masks, and horse collars that weren't called.
DeShone Kizer was getting extremely irate because every time an ND receiver was even or running away from a Temple defender, out would come the hands to grab jersey or even pads. Seven plays I saw Temple defenders grab Irish players on routes without the ball, by the pads and impede their progress.
(Grimes was not the only one getting irate, a number of coaches and ND staff on the sideline were getting hot.) But Grimes had been singled out by the officials, and they were watching him. He had been warned by the staff, too. Luckily Longo was in front of him, and Longo and Kelly heard him before the refs did.
What really happened is that Longo went to sweep Grimes back, and Kelly came over. Grimes didn't give because he had players behind him blocking. He wasn't being belligerent as much as he was trapped. One of the players behind him was Sheldon Day.
Sheldon picked him up bodily with his right arm, far enough off the ground to negate any resistance, pivoted and carried him back about three yards. Another staff member stepped in front of Longo and Kelly to block that, but Kelly was trying to grab him, it looked like to warn him.
I love all the off IE commentary about this incident! Ass-clowns! But I don't have anything against anyone who presented their points here. It is just too bad the situation had to happen, just like it is too bad that we got so poorly officiated game in the first place.
I wonder how badly their center got hurt, and if he is out, how that will affect their offense?
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So if I analyze this whole Grimes issue, I find it fraught with irony. The guys that let their passions boil and show the greatest propensity to behave like Grimes, are against him!
Leaving those that keep more cool that Grimes, not so much. But they in turn support Kelly, who kind of let his passions carry him away, also!
My middle ground is to keep your cool on the outside and not react. That way you don't have to debase your behavior in either manner. Then, quietly, you put a hit on the refs with a contractor that uses dum-dum rounds, just to leave a clear message!
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The let Stanford score so we can get the ball back and win defense under Weis (think it was 2009 game) would be right up there too.
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NDFANnSouthWest
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Ok internet tough guy. Do you have the video of what Grimes did? Were you there? Now i remember why i stopped posting at IE....
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The Miami-Duke fiasco is going to get more media attention than the Kelly 'incident.' We can be grateful for that.
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Still think that was the right call.
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Yet here you are....
NDFANnSouthWest
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You use to be a cool dude, what happened? Enjoy your clover.
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Honestly a close win works out probably for the best. No one is blaming us for winning a close road game against a tough, physical great defensive team. Temple also gets credit too, which is HUGE because they remain ranked and we get a quality win.
If we won 50-10 temple would never sniff the rankings again, and we would have to rely on a close loss as our signature moment thus far into the season. Also, Temple is all but guaranteed to play in the AAC championship game which could really help us especially if they play Navy in it.
If we won 50-10 temple would never sniff the rankings again, and we would have to rely on a close loss as our signature moment thus far into the season. Also, Temple is all but guaranteed to play in the AAC championship game which could really help us especially if they play Navy in it.
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Fuck the haters
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Great point!
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I was lamenting the close win until I saw that nationally people were giving us a lot of credit. I was expecting "oh ND struggled with Temple...psh they're frauds." But people have recognized that Temple is a tough and gritty team playing the biggest game in their program's history. To say that was their Super Bowl is an understatement...that was like their Super Bowl mixed into their World Cup Final, wrapped in their World Series.
Of course I want to win every game beautifully but I'm just accepting the fact that with BK we're going to win ugly more often than maybe we "should," but if we just keep winning things will sort themselves out. At this point in the season we are who we are and I'll just take W's however they come.
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Gibson is still at it. Biggest game in Temple history, the only time in school history they've been 7-0, absolutely shitty list of other college football match-ups last Saturday, Gameday on site, and the biggest factor: ND was in town...and this guy says P5 conferences should be knocking on Temple's door and begging them to join after posting very good TV numbers. This guy is hilarious.
https://templefootballforever.wordp...eat-pickup-for-a-power-5-conference/#comments
https://templefootballforever.wordp...eat-pickup-for-a-power-5-conference/#comments
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The Temple game had the highest ever rating for an ABC cfb game??? REALLy??
but I had to laugh at this.. "Since Notre Dame has been on so much without nearly that many sets tuned in, it doesn’t take much of an imagination to know the variable in this case was Temple."
again... REALLY?
but I had to laugh at this.. "Since Notre Dame has been on so much without nearly that many sets tuned in, it doesn’t take much of an imagination to know the variable in this case was Temple."
again... REALLY?
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I think the quote is deceptive. I think they meant it was the best rating for a regular season college game in Philly on ABC. That 18.1 translated to 528,000 in Philly. In total the program only had a 3.9 nationally which translates to 4.4 million households. That's not really a huge number if you compare the 5.7 million viewers for our match-up with Virginia
But...Temple is big time and should be getting a call any day now to join the ACC or Big 12.
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If I read correctly, I believe it was the highest rated in Philly. Which isn't too surprising since we all know Philly is a professional sports city. So of course people in that city are going tune in with Temple actually playing in prime time, PLUS it's Notre Dame in a strong, historic (Irish) Catholic city.
The guy is laughable. I know there are homers for every fan base, but I just have a hard time believing someone can be this big of a homer for TEMPLE. Just amazes me.
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Yeah, it's all homer reporting, but it still cracks me up. I just found out that Gibson copies his Temple blogs to Rant Sports as well...as if that site needed any other damning reasons not to read their content. They're effectively worse than Bleacher Report now in my eyes.
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I think the quote is deceptive. I think they meant it was the best rating for a regular season college game in Philly on ABC. That 18.1 translated to 528,000 in Philly. In total the program only had a 3.9 nationally which translates to 4.4 million households. That's not really a huge number if you compare the 5.7 million viewers for our match-up with Virginia
But...Temple is big time and should be getting a call any day now to join the ACC or Big 12.
This. I was slow typing my response.
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Temple is a perfect fit for the ACC right now.
Basketball crazy town in the best basketball conference. The football program would be as high as #3 overall this year, #7 at the absolute lowest.
Most importantly, largest media market without a Power 5 team.
Basketball crazy town in the best basketball conference. The football program would be as high as #3 overall this year, #7 at the absolute lowest.
Most importantly, largest media market without a Power 5 team.
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Who would be the P5 school in New York City?? Rutgers? Syracuse?
ulukinatme
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New York is a real melting pot. Syracuse, Notre Dame, Rutgers, and oddly enough Michigan are all represented. Check out the New York section on this page:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/upshot/ncaa-football-fan-map.html?_r=0
New York really isn't a strong College Football place, but it's very diverse in it's fandom among the fans that are there.
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It's the Notre Dame subway alums!
It was in that situation but it has got to be totally demoralizing for things to get to the point where you have to ask your defense to take a dive like that.