Oct 28 | North Carolina State

[zelezo vlk]

If ND is up for this game they win, barring silly turnovers. If they bring the effort they did against USC, ND wins, so it's on them and the coaches.

We're more complete than they are. And we're close to being a very complete college football team, and you can count the number of complete teams on JPP's mangled hand.

FTFY

I think ND is up for this game, just due to the revenge factor from last year.

 

[notredomer23]

Can someone explain how NC State got really good at football?

They didn't. They're still gonna go 8-4.

This is a only big game because of an overrated team.

NC State's "big" wins are against:
2-4 Florida State. Florida State is DEAD LAST in turnovers forced and barely in the top 50 for total defense. Florida State is 115th in scoring offense.
5-3 Louisville. Does Louisville even have a win without Lamar Jackson? They are bad! Louisville is 88th in scoring defense.
Pitt is awful.

Honestly at this point, Marshall is their most impressive win, that's how soft their schedule has been thus far.

They are gonna end up losing to us, Clemson, and one of BC or GT

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

We haven't played world beater run defenses either, but at least we have 2 opponents in the top 10 who we have faced

Actually, we have. We've played Georgia and MSU who are both in the top 10 of rushing defenses.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Actually, we have. We've played Georgia and MSU who are both in the top 10 of rushing defenses.

Yeah... sort of came across as incorrect, but we've played some really terrible run defenses though. On average, they've played the 86th best rushing team, and we've gone up against about the 89th best rushing defense. That's what I was going for

 

[TDHeysus]

Can someone explain how NC State got really good at football?

I saw about 2mins of their game this weekened; in that 2 mins the announcer was going on about how dynamic their RB was, and what a great year he was having.

Regardless, they should not be taken lightly; they'll need the full steamroller treatment, ala USC.

 

[koonja]

is NC states DL better than ours? who would you take?

ours is damn good and I wouldn't want to play them either.

 

[zelezo vlk]

is NC states DL better than ours? who would you take?

ours is damn good and I wouldn't want to play them either.

If Chubb is healthy, I'm taking the Wolfpack's.

 

[dwshade]

They didn't. They're still gonna go 8-4.

This is a only big game because of an overrated team.

NC State's "big" wins are against:
2-4 Florida State. Florida State is DEAD LAST in turnovers forced and barely in the top 50 for total defense. Florida State is 115th in scoring offense.
5-3 Louisville. Does Louisville even have a win without Lamar Jackson? They are bad! Louisville is 88th in scoring defense.
Pitt is awful.

Honestly at this point, Marshall is their most impressive win, that's how soft their schedule has been thus far.

They are gonna end up losing to us, Clemson, and one of BC or GT

NC State will beat Clemson. They missed a chip shot FG at the end of the game last year at Clemson that allowed Clemson to win that game. State is a very good football team.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

In all honesty I'm not worried about Miami at all they have zero running game.

 

[pumpdog20]

Yeah... sort of came across as incorrect, but we've played some really terrible run defenses though. On average, they've played the 86th best rushing team, and we've gone up against about the 89th best rushing defense. That's what I was going for

I think your analysis is a bit unfair. When looking at rush defense at yards per game, every one of our opponents has their ranking skewed because they have played ND. With the exception of Georgia and North Carolina, ND at least doubled each of our opponents normal rushing yards allowed per game.

The average rushing defense would be more like 47th when taking out ND's stats.

 

[notredomer23]

NC State will beat Clemson. They missed a chip shot FG at the end of the game last year at Clemson that allowed Clemson to win that game. State is a very good football team.

I hope you’re right bc it will look good for us, but just don’t see it.

 

[Cackalacky]

I hope you’re right bc it will look good for us, but just don’t see it.

I dont buy Clemson this year at all. Bryant has already been concussed and knocked out of a game this year. His backup was not great which is why they lost to Syracuse.

Clemson is a pretender this year. They will likely lose to NCSU and possibly one more before the year is over.

 

[T Town Tommy]

This is the game I thought ND would have some issues with. The NC State D Line is pretty good. If they can stop the Irish from running the ball, then they have a great chance of winning the game. At some point, BW is going to have to win a game or two with his arm and this just might be one of them.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Yeah... sort of came across as incorrect, but we've played some really terrible run defenses though. On average, they've played the 86th best rushing team, and we've gone up against about the 89th best rushing defense. That's what I was going for

You are wrong again. I did the math because I didn't trust your numbers.

Depending on how you want to rank Fuhrman (I was kind and ranked them 125th in rushing), NC state has gone against the 85th best rushing offense on average with the highest being 27th (Louisville).

We have rushed against the 67th best defense, on average with highs of 4 (Georgia) and MSU (8).

North Carolina State is ranked 6th. So there is a bigger spread and we've already seen something like NC state whereas, they haven't defended an offense nearly as potent as ours.

I think it'll be a grind but I still like our chances.

 

[irishtrain]

That D line is ferocious. Their division isn't as strong as previous years either.

Let em bring in semi pro's to win football games and you win football games-Saban syndrome.

 

[irishtrain]

I want to post this regarding whats left in this already great season and the chances of these guys running the table. Understand that you have refs who are from a conference that has a lot to lose if Notre Dame wins out. Just like Fla State a few years ago the game can hinge on a 50/50 call and if that happens the ACC will get the benefit of the doubt. Sure we'd like to believe this stuff doesn't happen but it does. Notre Dame will know haul around these ACC officials like a mill stone around their neck and don't be surprised if they don't bite Notre Dame in the %$$ before the dust settles. The Irish have very tough games left so chances of running the table even the way they are playing is hard but I sure as ^%$$ would want to do it as an independent with a conference that has a lot to lose following me around. Just saying its not a healthy situation.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Just my opinion, but I don't believe that college officials have agendas like that which are so foremost in their consciousness that they plan to screw some team during the game. (I'll buy the home field crowd ferocity explanation of some individual refereeing bailouts, but that's it.)

 

[Irish YJ]

You are wrong again. I did the math because I didn't trust your numbers.

Depending on how you want to rank Fuhrman (I was kind and ranked them 125th in rushing), NC state has gone against the 85th best rushing offense on average with the highest being 27th (Louisville).

We have rushed against the 67th best defense, on average with highs of 4 (Georgia) and MSU (8).

North Carolina State is ranked 6th. So there is a bigger spread and we've already seen something like NC state whereas, they haven't defended an offense nearly as potent as ours.

I think it'll be a grind but I still like our chances.

They beat Louisville who is the 1st in total O, and Syracuse who is 10th. They both are in the 20s in rush offense.

We obviously are better rushing than the 2, but I am still expecting a grind early. They suck against the pass, so thinking we see a good mix of O early to open up the run.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I want to post this regarding whats left in this already great season and the chances of these guys running the table. Understand that you have refs who are from a conference that has a lot to lose if Notre Dame wins out. Just like Fla State a few years ago the game can hinge on a 50/50 call and if that happens the ACC will get the benefit of the doubt. Sure we'd like to believe this stuff doesn't happen but it does. Notre Dame will know haul around these ACC officials like a mill stone around their neck and don't be surprised if they don't bite Notre Dame in the %$$ before the dust settles. The Irish have very tough games left so chances of running the table even the way they are playing is hard but I sure as ^%$$ would want to do it as an independent with a conference that has a lot to lose following me around. Just saying its not a healthy situation.

Notre Dame is 8th in the country when it comes to the number of penalties called on their opponent. Yes, timing of penalties matter as they can kill drives, etc. But I just haven't seen that against ND. At least not blatent. The Fla St call you reference was the correct call. They called it in that game. They missed it twice in the Bama/Clemson NC game. And the second one won Clemson the title. Bad calls/no calls happen. But malice due to ND being independent and playing an ACC team who could win the conference title is a bit of a reach IMO.

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[Free Manera]

I’ve been reading NC State boards and /cfb and man are they confident. Their best win is a trash FSU team so I don’t see it but it’s interesting. They seem to be buying big into Finley and their offense putting up numbers plus their D line dominating.

With their weak schedule so far, it’s hard to get a read. Anyone do any film study?

 

[Irish YJ]

I’ve been reading NC State boards and /cfb and man are they confident. Their best win is a trash FSU team so I don’t see it but it’s interesting. They seem to be buying big into Finley and their offense putting up numbers plus their D line dominating.

With their weak schedule so far, it’s hard to get a read. Anyone do any film study?

One could argue that Syracuse was their best win lol

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

You are wrong again. I did the math because I didn't trust your numbers.

Depending on how you want to rank Fuhrman (I was kind and ranked them 125th in rushing), NC state has gone against the 85th best rushing offense on average with the highest being 27th (Louisville).

We have rushed against the 67th best defense, on average with highs of 4 (Georgia) and MSU (8).

North Carolina State is ranked 6th. So there is a bigger spread and we've already seen something like NC state whereas, they haven't defended an offense nearly as potent as ours.

I think it'll be a grind but I still like our chances.

Also wonder what those risg defense rankings would be if you removed the ND gsme for the opponents since our potent rushing attack has no doubt skewed the ranking for those particular teams. Our body of work is far superior to NCSt at this point, but Saturday is all that matters.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/922523522357919744

Has this been shared already? Of all the ludicrous, anti-ND flame bait I've seen, this is the most absurd, bar none.

This is truly incredibly stupid.

(also: Wimbush RTd this, thanks for the bulletin board material)

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[BGIF]

They have topped out.

IF Topped Out is holding the Top 11th Team, that has played the 8th Toughest Schedule, 20 points under their scoring average and scoring 25 points more then the defense allows/game, I'll take "Topped Out" for the rest of our games.

The 49 points ND scored is the 4th time in 7 games ND has scored 49 or more.

The 14 points scored against ND is the 2nd lowest allowed of the season and 7th time opponents have scored less than 21 points.

 

[NDVirginia19]

https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/922523522357919744

Has this been shared already? Of all the ludicrous, anti-ND flame bait I've seen, this is the most absurd, bar none.

This is truly incredibly stupid.

(also: Wimbush RTd this, thanks for the bulletin board material)

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One of the fucking stupidest things I've ever heard Cowherd say, and that's really saying something. Probably the first time ever I've heard an analyst say that experience on the offensive line (or any position really) should be seen as a negative when evaluating the current season. Just a gobsmackingly dumb thing to say

 

[NDVirginia19]

You are wrong again. I did the math because I didn't trust your numbers.

I am but a simple Poly Sci major

 

[Johannes]

One could argue that Syracuse was their best win lol

NC State also lost to South Carolina, a mediocre SEC East team. Granted that was the first game of their season, and I’m sure they have improved across the board since then. But USC Jr. are no world beaters.

I’m not sleeping on this game, and I’m sure they have an excellent DLine, but... the Pack linebacker corps does not include a Davin Bellamy or Lorenzo Carter, and their defensive backfield is ripe for the picking.

42-20 Irish with nice stat lines for ESB, Stepherson, and Claypool. The Irish work the perimeter run game early just as they did with SC. NC State’s defensive rankings are not so flash on Sunday.

 

[IrishInFl]

I'm not worried in the slightest.

 

[Irishize]

No. Short story injuries and lack of depth at QB.

Long story in '99 Davie got a silent verbal from C.J. Leak (Chris's older brother) on the basis that ND recruited no other QB. Late in the cycle - SURPRISE - C.J committed to Wake Forest who just happened to offer his younger brother who I think was a 9th grader at the time. Davie scrambled but was left with a huge hole coupled by ineffective QB recruiting in prior years. Arnaz Battle was on the team as a WR by then but as a freshman was QB who was a much better WR but was promised a shot at QB. There were a couple of others who came in as HS QBs but transferred into other positions like TE.

ND had starting QB Matt LoVecchio returning but he bailed when Willingham chose Carlyle Holiday over him. LoVecchio had been effective as a true freshman the year before. Again if I recall correctly LoVecchio's father was disruptive. Carlyle Holiday a very athletic and very good triple option QB but Willingham changed the Offense to a West Coast System. Carlyle could make the quick decisions in a triple option attack but reading defenses and running progressions were a blur. He threw a 65 yard bomb to Arnaz Battle on the first play of the game against FSU in Doak Campbell Stadium in a ND's 8th win of the year, with the Smoke and Mirrors Offense. The next was the BC disaster.

As I recall Dillingham was originally a walk-on. He was thrown into service because of injuries in the Boston College game. He would not have been in the game if Davie hadn't screwed up recruiting so badly between the upperclassmen that were recruited as QBs and then moved to other positions and the Leak disaster. If I recall correctly Dillingham came to ND the year before Willingham but had gone to HS with Willingham's daughter. There was a freshman QB Chris Olsen who I believe did not play in '02. (The next year he brother a 5 Star TE came to ND but bailed to Miami before attending an ND class. Chris followed the next day worsening the QB situation. Again a vocal day was involved.)


Davie's QB hole, that Willingham worsed, was similar to the OL hole that Willingham left for Weis to struggle through in '07, '08, and '09 years. Within the prospects of JUCO's or any transfer (before grad transfer rule) ND had to fill upperclassmen holes with 17 and 18 year olds.

Dillingham went on to partner w/ an Iraq War veteran to form American Made Moonshine, he is co-founder & CEO.

 

[Irish YJ]

https://twitter.com/TheHerd/status/922523522357919744

Has this been shared already? Of all the ludicrous, anti-ND flame bait I've seen, this is the most absurd, bar none.

This is truly incredibly stupid.

(also: Wimbush RTd this, thanks for the bulletin board material)

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Happy for the BB material, but really does anyone pay attention to Coward anymore?

NC State also lost to South Carolina, a mediocre SEC East team. Granted that was the first game of their season, and I’m sure they have improved across the board since then. But USC Jr. are no world beaters.

I’m not sleeping on this game, and I’m sure they have an excellent DLine, but... the Pack linebacker corps does not include a Davin Bellamy or Lorenzo Carter, and their defensive backfield is ripe for the picking.

42-20 Irish with nice stat lines for ESB, Stepherson, and Claypool. The Irish work the perimeter run game early just as they did with SC. NC State’s defensive rankings are not so flash on Sunday.

I agree. Their Passing D sucks. I doubt their DLine has seen anyone near our OL quality either. I think we come out with a few passes (I'd love to see BW take a home run shot), and then run their asses over. The 1Q could be a grind, but I think we wear them down at least by early 3Q and Josh breaks a long TD or two.

54-17 and Bradley Chubb is replaced by Josh on ESPN's Heisman watch list.