Oct 17 | Southern Cal

[Redbar]

I studied a case for my sports law class kind of similar to this situation. If they fired him for this they would be violating the Americans with Disabilities Act as Sark could easily argue that his alcoholism is a disability.

I could be wrong of course

He could seek disability insurance during his absence, but there are plenty of jobs that you could be fired from for alcoholism. It would be different if he told his employers that he needed help, but if you show up to work intoxicated or fail a drug test there are jobs that have a zero tolerance policy.

 

[Redbar]

Who's your friend? Is it anyone with inside info?

Wasn't a friend, just a guy I was talking with about the games. He didn't have any info at all. I didn't think his tenure in Philly had been that bad, I agree with GoIrish, I just don't see him getting canned this year. No idea if he would want to leave. Philly isn't my team.

 

[wizards8507]

Oddly enough, just this morning, before this news broke, a guy told me he thinks Chip Kelly will be out at Philly after this year and land at USC. Have no idea how valid that theory is, but it would suck!

USC with Chip Kelly would win all teh gamez!

 

[arrowryan]

He could seek disability insurance during his absence, but there are plenty of jobs that you could be fired from for alcoholism. It would be different if he told his employers that he needed help, but if you show up to work intoxicated or fail a drug test there are jobs that have a zero tolerance policy.

Also, I'm sure its safe to say that he never said anything about any alcohol problems in his application. If the application mentions anything about drinking problems, they can just nail him for that

 

[gkIrish]

I studied a case for my sports law class kind of similar to this situation. If they fired him for this they would be violating the Americans with Disabilities Act as Sark could easily argue that his alcoholism is a disability.

I could be wrong of course

Could definitely be the case. However, I bet there's specific language in his contract about this sort of thing. So who knows...

 

[koonja]

I can't believe Sark couldn't control himself. Yeah, I get it, Alcoholism is a disease technically, but he was young, doing well recruiting, and coaching at his dream job where he was an alum. That's a lot to lose. Hell that's everything besides family if he has any.

 

[GoldenDomer]

I would be worried about them rallying around this, but your coach being an alcoholic isnt that noble of a cause.

 

[loomis41973]

Good luck to Coach Sarkisian...hope you find the help you need.

 

[GoIrish41]

I can't believe Sark couldn't control himself. Yeah, I get it, Alcoholism is a disease technically, but he was young, doing well recruiting, and coaching at his dream job where he was an alum. That's a lot to lose. Hell that's everything besides family if he has any.

Did Sark go to USC? I vaguely remember his playing days and thought he played elsewhere. I could be wrong.

 

[koonja]

Did Sark go to USC? I vaguely remember his playing days and thought he played elsewhere. I could be wrong.

You're right, BYU. For some reason I thought he was a trojan.

 

[Cackalacky]

I can't believe Sark couldn't control himself. Yeah, I get it, Alcoholism is a disease technically, but he was young, doing well recruiting, and coaching at his dream job where he was an alum. That's a lot to lose. Hell that's everything besides family if he has any.

Alcoholism and drug addiction are the worst. IDK if you have ever dealt with anyone who has had it but it is a big deal. I know we all had some laughs at Cutty Sark and all but I really hope he gets the help he needs. I seen too many friends and family go down this.road and lose everything.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I can't believe Sark couldn't control himself. Yeah, I get it, Alcoholism is a disease technically, but he was young, doing well recruiting, and coaching at his dream job where he was an alum. That's a lot to lose. Hell that's everything besides family if he has any.

The pressure to succeed at USC, given everything you just said, cannot be overstated. Combine it with alcoholism and he's cracking. Really just sad to see.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Did Sark go to USC? I vaguely remember his playing days and thought he played elsewhere. I could be wrong.

He went to BYU, making the situation even more bizarre.

 

[koonja]

Alcoholism and drug addiction are the worst. IDK if you have ever dealt with anyone who has had it but it is a big deal. I know we all some laughs at Cutty Sark and all but I really hope.he.gets.the help he needs. I seen too many friends and family go down this.road and lose everything.

I do get that. But if you were offered your dream job and 4 million dollars this year, I feel like anyone could resist alcohol. IDK, maybe I'm being insensitive. I've been around a lot of drunks and know it's hard, but it's not heroine either. Most people don't have this type of stake in conformity, so it's hard to say.

 

[tussin]

I do get that. But if you were offered your dream job and 4 million dollars this year, I feel like anyone could resist alcohol. IDK, maybe I'm being insensitive. I've been around a lot of drunks and know it's hard, but it's not heroine either. Most people don't have this type of stake in conformity, so it's hard to say.

His dream job is also the one with the most pressures and obstacles to success. If it was an easy job, he wouldn't be paid that much.

I'd also argue that alcohol is just as destructive as many "hard" drugs. It's a slower descent to rock bottom, but ultimately you end up in the same place.

 

[NDgradstudent]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Players noticed Steve Sarkisian not sober at special teams meeting this morning <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USC?src=hash">#USC</a></p>— InsideUSC (@InsideUSC) <a href="https://twitter.com/InsideUSC/status/653334086845489152">October 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Booslum31]

Alcoholism and drug addiction are the worst. IDK if you have ever dealt with anyone who has had it but it is a big deal. I know we all some laughs at Cutty Sark and all but I really hope.he.gets.the help he needs. I seen too many friends and family go down this.road and lose everything.

This. My previous company sold "drug screen testing" to treatment centers. I saw so much destruction of families and so many once solid individuals complete collapsed under the wieght of their addictions...alcohol can be just as destructive as any of the hard drugs or perscription drugs. The chances of beating it without drug screening AND counseling is about 5-10% without relapsing. I too, hope that he gets the help he needs.

I also hope we beat USC "like a tied up goat"! My uncle used to always say that...I always wondered who beats a tied up goat.

 

[Cackalacky]

I do get that. But if you were offered your dream job and 4 million dollars this year, I feel like anyone could resist alcohol. IDK, maybe I'm being insensitive. I've been around a lot of drunks and know it's hard, but it's not heroine either. Most people don't have this type of stake in conformity, so it's hard to say.

I don't want to argue but alcohol can be worse than hard drugs. I personally know three people who killed their kids driving drunk so a four million dollar salary pales in comparison to killing your kids because you are too drunk to make a good decision. Functioning alcoholics are very dangerous.

 

[BGIF]

It's time for Pat Haden to go, too


... and take Flutie with him.

 

[GoIrish41]

This. My previous company sold "drug screen testing" to treatment centers. I saw so much destruction of families and so many once solid individuals complete collapsed under the wieght of their addictions...alcohol can be just as destructive as any of the hard drugs or perscription drugs. The chances of beating it without drug screening AND counseling is about 5-10% without relapsing. I too, hope that he gets the help he needs.

I also hope we beat USC "like a tied up goat"! My uncle used to always say that...I always wondered who beats a tied up goat.

I hope he gets all the help he needs, but I'm happy that his rock bottom coincided with ND week.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I do get that. But if you were offered your dream job and 4 million dollars this year, I feel like anyone could resist alcohol. IDK, maybe I'm being insensitive. I've been around a lot of drunks and know it's hard, but it's not heroine either. Most people don't have this type of stake in conformity, so it's hard to say.

I don't want to argue but alcohol can be worse than hard drugs. I personally know three people who killed their kids driving drunk so a four million dollar salary pales in comparison to killing your kids because you are too drunk to make a good decision. Functioning alcoholics are very dangerous.

Agree. I know people who have killed people drinking and driving, died themselves, and some who have been killed by drunk drivers. I also know someone who has lost a high profile job and custody of their kids due to alcoholism.

 

[NDohio]

I do get that. But if you were offered your dream job and 4 million dollars this year, I feel like anyone could resist alcohol. IDK, maybe I'm being insensitive. I've been around a lot of drunks and know it's hard, but it's not heroine either. Most people don't have this type of stake in conformity, so it's hard to say.

You have obviously never been around an alcoholic. My grandfather was an alcoholic who was never able to kick the habit - he was eventually killed in a bar fight. It completely tore his family (the most important thing to him) apart and he could never quit.

I hope Sark gets the help he needs. For his and his family's sake.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I don't want to argue but alcohol can be worse than hard drugs.

I would argue that alcohol is a hard drug. Society has given it a pass, a choice I agree with, but it will destroy lives and we're seeing that with Sarkisian.

I hope he gets help. He's already made his millions, he needs to get his life back together before he loses control of it.

 

[GoIrish41]

Will this affect their recruiting class? Not just Hayes (hopefully) but others? Any of their commits on our radar? Any tight races that this might help ND with?

 

[Cackalacky]

I would argue that alcohol is a hard drug. Society has given it a pass, a choice I agree with, but it will destroy lives and we're seeing that with Sarkisian.

I hope he gets help. He's already made his millions, he needs to get his life back together before he loses control of it.

Certainly... I am just not getting into drug schedules with koon. Particularly when he equates being able to control an addiction with the value of a salary and success. That's a no win proposition.

I also want to add that High functioning addicts are typically successful and a large reason they go undiagnosed is that ARE successful even while engaging in the behavior. They are the least likely to seek treatment or acknowledge they have a problem in the first place.

 

[GATTACA!]

I have an inside source who knows who the leader in the clubhouse is, if Sark gets the boot.......




And he told me his name is........





JOEY FRESHWATER

 

[koonja]

You guys aren't seeing my point. He was on a 'no drink', meaning, if he was caught drinking this year, he KNEW it would cost him his job.

You are never warned ahead of time when a terrible accident like drunk driving happens... You aren't told 'this is the one that will do it'. My point is he knew it was his final straw, and still proceeded, which is what I find surprising. Drunk drivers don't know it's their next drive that will cost someone their life.

There's no way I win this so I'm going to leave after this, but I hope you guys understand the difference I'm pointing out.

 

[KPENN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Some <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/USC?src=hash">#USC</a> assistant coaches believed Steve Sarkisian was drunk during the Arizona State game on Sept. 26.</p>— InsideUSC (@InsideUSC) <a href="https://twitter.com/InsideUSC/status/653345782146306048">October 11, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Booslum31]

USC Trojans head coach Steve Sarkisian to take leave of absence

I'm guessing his real problem is with prescription drugs...maybe not alcohol.

 

[Cackalacky]

You guys aren't seeing my point. He was on a 'no drink', meaning, if he was caught drinking this year, he KNEW it would cost him his job.

You are never warned ahead of time when a terrible accident like drunk driving happens... You aren't told 'this is the one that will do it'. My point is he knew it was his final straw, and still proceeded, which is what I find surprising. Drunk drivers don't know it's their next drive that will cost someone their life.

There's no way I win this so I'm going to leave after this, but I hope you guys understand the difference I'm pointing out.

You clearly have no idea.what you are talking about. It is a very devastating condition that is DEFINED by an inability to stop.....