Next ND Offensive Coordinator - the search

[NDdomer2]

Your QB coach had better be able to go recruit.

 

[NDPhilly]

Brian Johnson was also the OC / QB coach at Florida the year Trask went insane out of nowhere (2020). Good option.

 

[Irish du Nord]

I’m not sure but I thought there was talk at one point that Freeman sort of expected the new hires to commit to multiple years (probably barring a clear upgrade like a big time OC offer or something).
If that’s the case it’s be pretty crummy to toss them for a new OC.

Besides, Parker is probably the only one on the offensive staff who isn’t an A-level coach. And he’s Freeman’s guy right?

I may be misinterpreting what you’re saying here but I thought he did a pretty good job coaching TEs this year. Mayer did Mayer, Bauman looked solid pre-injury, two freshmen were field ready (pre-Raridon injury), and Evans was pretty crucial to our offense’s success in the later games of the year.

 

[ulukinatme]

I don’t see a problem with a GA being the defacto QB coach


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Yeah, it's great optics to trust an inexperienced GA with the best QB talent we've brought in since Weis was coach. I'm sure those guys will be fine with a temporary solution that shows no commitment or regard for their development.

 

[indianamouse]

Yeah, it's great optics to trust an inexperienced GA with the best QB talent we've brought in since Weis was coach. I'm sure those guys will be fine with a temporary solution that shows no commitment or regard for their development.

Doesn’t matter what nd does, someone will always complain

 

[NDFAN2008]

I like Morehead but how long is he willing to come here!? I’d rather go out and get a young up and coming OC whose proven to have success recruiting

 

[IrishLax]

Is there any reason to believe that ND could actually get Brian Johnson? Surely he is in line for an OC promotion to somewhere in the NFL after this season.

 

[IrishLax]

Moorhead - Very good OC, would potentially be a good fit. Unlikely to stay in SB for a long time and no idea if he can recruit that side of the ball at the level that he needs to.

Joe Brady - Honestly, I think he’s mediocre as an OC. I’m 95% sure that most of this bird could’ve put up big numbers in college football with Joe Burrow throwing to Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase. I do think that he’s a good QB coach and a big name.

Brian Johnson - Best upside and track record of the bunch. Would he be willing to come back to college to get a path to being a college HC in ~2 years? Seems like it’d be easier just to take an NFL OC job this off-season.

Haven’t seen any other names that would be palatable. And all three of these seem like long shots.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Moorhead - Very good OC, would potentially be a good fit. Unlikely to stay in SB for a long time and no idea if he can recruit that side of the ball at the level that he needs to.

Joe Brady - Honestly, I think he’s mediocre as an OC. I’m 95% sure that most of this bird could’ve put up big numbers in college football with Joe Burrow throwing to Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase. I do think that he’s a good QB coach and a big name.

Brian Johnson - Best upside and track record of the bunch. Would he be willing to come back to college to get a path to being a college HC in ~2 years? Seems like it’d be easier just to take an NFL OC job this off-season.

Haven’t seen any other names that would be palatable. And all three of these seem like long shots.

Arroyo is.very intriguing

Nagle seems to be getting run

Moorehead by all accounts loves ND, is catholic, Midwest guy, would get a raise and could step jnto a P5 HC role after a couple, few years. I think it's A real possibility.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Frost won 16 games at Nebraska in 5 seasons, just 10 conference games in the far weaker West B1G division. Tommy has two bowl wins and won at least 9 or more games each season as an OC. He also broke a Fiesta Bowl record and beat a few Top 10 teams. Thanks, but no thanks.

You can’t compare a coordinator to a head coach.

Let’s make it fair, then see how Tommy’s sheet stacks up:

“Following Chip Kelly's departure to the NFL to coach the Philadelphia Eagles, Oregon promoted Mark Helfrich to head coach and Frost was announced as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach on January 31, 2013.[28] In 2014, Frost was a finalist for the Broyles Award, given annually to the nation's top assistant coach. As the quarterbacks coach, he mentored Marcus Mariota, who won the Heisman Trophy, en route to a berth in the National Championship game. During Frost's three seasons as Oregon's offensive coordinator, the team recorded a 33–8 record and finished every year ranked among the nation's top six in both scoring offense and total offense.”

Yes. Frost failed miserably at Nebraska. Yes, Frost has some personal issues. However, I still believe getting pre-Nebraska Frost would be an upgrade to TR.


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[stlnd01]

I may be misinterpreting what you’re saying here but I thought he did a pretty good job coaching TEs this year. Mayer did Mayer, Bauman looked solid pre-injury, two freshmen were field ready (pre-Raridon injury), and Evans was pretty crucial to our offense’s success in the later games of the year.

Parker is fine (as a tight ends coach). He’s not a minus. But Heistand, DMC and Stuckey have demonstrated themselves to be excellent, each a major plus in their way.

Point being I hope we don’t hire an OC who needs to bring in a bunch of his own guys as our offensive staff feels pretty good right now. Of the four Parker is probably fourth, but yes even he is solid. No Dels here.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Joe Brady has one year as a QB coach, and it happened to be an already developed Top 5 QB in Josh Allen. So, if we think that he's going to be this great QB developer, we need to pump the breaks a little. He's barely been a positional coach, too. He has more experience as a graduate assistant, and offensive assistant in the NFL, than anything else. He helped orchestrate that historical passing attack in LSU in 2019, but he did have some great weapons to work with (Burrow, Edwards-Helaire, Thaddeus Moss, Chase, Jefferson, Terrance Marshall etc.). However, if you look at what LSU did offensively the year before, with the same group of players, the results were rather average. So obviously whatever scheme and game plan he designed worked.

I don't think he's a developer of talent, or a recruiter. Maybe he has the chops to be an X's and O's guy, but I don't think he quite fits what ND needs. He's young and made the jump to the NFL a few years ago. He seems to be destinated for an NFL career, not CFB.

 

[Grahambo]

Is there any reason to believe that ND could actually get Brian Johnson? Surely he is in line for an OC promotion to somewhere in the NFL after this season.

If Shane Steichen gets a HC gig, then the rumor is Brian Johnson gets bumped up to OC. That said, would he really be the OC or would Sirianni call the plays? My worry with BJ would be him being a 1-2 year OC before going back to the NFL.

 

[Grahambo]

Moorhead - Very good OC, would potentially be a good fit. Unlikely to stay in SB for a long time and no idea if he can recruit that side of the ball at the level that he needs to.

Joe Brady - Honestly, I think he’s mediocre as an OC. I’m 95% sure that most of this bird could’ve put up big numbers in college football with Joe Burrow throwing to Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase. I do think that he’s a good QB coach and a big name.

Brian Johnson - Best upside and track record of the bunch. Would he be willing to come back to college to get a path to being a college HC in ~2 years? Seems like it’d be easier just to take an NFL OC job this off-season.

Haven’t seen any other names that would be palatable. And all three of these seem like long shots.

Maybe Zac Robinson who was the favorite for the Chargers OC gig until Kellen Moore was made available? Maybe Joe Lombardi?

 

[NDMD]

If Shane Steichen gets a HC gig, then the rumor is Brian Johnson gets bumped up to OC. That said, would he really be the OC or would Sirianni call the plays? My worry with BJ would be him being a 1-2 year OC before going back to the NFL.

I would consider 1-2 years of an OC before going to the NFL a very successful OC hire, regardless of who it is

 

[ThePiombino]

Two words: Charley Molnar


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Go directly to jail. DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT COLLECT $200.

 

[notredomer23]

Idk why Brian Johnson would take this job or any college job for that matter. Successful NFL OCs have been bumped to HCs after just a one or two strong season. He’s going to be an OC in the near future. Going back to the college level to OC would set that trajectory off a bit, unless he prefers the college game

 

[dublinirish]

Idk why Brian Johnson would take this job or any college job for that matter. Successful NFL OCs have been bumped to HCs after just a one or two strong season. He’s going to be an OC in the near future. Going back to the college level to OC would set that trajectory off a bit, unless he prefers the college game

Being a minority coach especially on offense isn’t such an easy road if you desire to become a HC


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[Irishdrunk]

That bomb would be 40 pints a game.


*points


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Yea I can name a few OC’s that could be described as Hot Messes and are now P5 HCs because they were very good OCs.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Is Greg Roman on anyone’s list?

 

[Irish#1]

Ludwig shouldn’t be overlooked. Very balanced offense that averages around 35ppg. Likes to use TE’s. Maybe not a well known name but very capable.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

I saw Byron Leftwich already mentioned which seems unrealistic to me but would be a great hire if he would take the job and is interested in being in college coaching.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I saw Byron Leftwich already mentioned which seems unrealistic to me but would be a great hire if he would take the job and is interested in being in college coaching.

Would be a home run hire in my opinion

 

[NDFAN2008]

Leftwich would be my top choice coached Tommy Brady and he’s young would be a home run hire but would most likely only be here 1-2 years but regardless whoever you hire I don’t think they’ll be here long

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Would be a home run hire in my opinion

He doesn't have any college coaching experience does he? I don't know how you go from coaching Tom Brady to dealing with high school kids and their parents (recruiting ) on top of the time constraints of coaching 'student' athletes. I think it will be a hell no for him. Let alone his unrealistic expectations of reading the defense and understand his terminology, seems like a mess to me.

 

[irishff1014]

Is Greg Roman on anyone’s list?

I don't think he was that good at Baltimore. I doubt he would be into recruiting.

 

[NDdomer2]

Lol there is no reason to be talking Byron other than the timing of ND opening and his unemployment.

He's a career NFL guy and unlikely to be anything other than that. I'd imagine he could have been a cfb HC this year if he really wanted.

 

[irishff1014]

Leftwich would be my top choice coached Tommy Brady and he’s young would be a home run hire but would most likely only be here 1-2 years but regardless whoever you hire I don’t think they’ll be here long

Not sure if he would be my top choice but a younger guy that's had success at the NFL level with some big time names and young enough that he could probably recruit well.

 

[MacIrish75]

The issue is always going to be that these young, on brand coordinator names are likely going to be looking to climb the ladder. Tommy was always going to leave at some point. Conversely, these older guys—like a Denbrock—are more likely to stick around long term, especially if they’ve already tried and not succeeded in an HC role.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I’m not a Frost fan by any means, but he absolutely deserves credit for turning around UCF. They were 0-12 the year before he arrived.

And those offenses were very, very good. His failure with Nebraska are much more of an indictment on the state of that program as opposed to his failings as a coach.

They were 0-12 but had the pieces in place FOR a turnaround regardless of whoever was coach. He brought the Oregon offensive philosophy with him, yes, and took them to 6-7, then 13-0, then he was gone. After he left, Heupel went 12-1 and 10-3 before the Covid season. When Frost left those wheels didn't just fall off.

His tenure at Nebraska was abysmal and a great portion of that was far more on him than the circumstances. Then you add into the questionable character surrounding his actions off the field. Red flags galore. I think a great deal of his resume up until Nebraska was good fortune, particularly being able to learn that Chip Kelly offense and take it to his UCF interview as a selling point.

Frost has been a HC for five real full seasons and one them was a winner. I suspect he's going to get another chance if he wants one because that's the way it generally works for guys like him, but it ultimately isn't going to happen at ND as OC and I'm completely fine with that being the case. I have no interest in him. Not impressed with him as a coach or person outside of his 13-0 season at UCF.