ND to the Music City Bowl

[GoldenDomer]

https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/541740634554769408

Hope Golson gets good grades.

 

[IrishLax]

Worst case scenario, because an embarrassing loss could also cost us recruits. We're going to get absolutely embarrassed. Football is a game of matchups (duh)... we won't be able to throw the ball on LSU, and they will be able to run the ball on us.

I'm guessing we lose by 35+.

 

[BGIF]

Kelly said he's unsure if Hardy can play. Interesting question but Idk why he couldnt? New semester starts in january.

Because This Is ND!

Weis was in a similar situation 8 years ago or so. Powers-Neal had gotten a DUI back in Minnesota. ND Res Life recognized that offense as a student infraction as you are an ND student 24/7. Powers-Neal had a ResLife hearing and was suspended mid-season.

Weis was told he would be eligible again the next semester. When the bowl was announced Weis was asked and answer that he would play. A day or so later there was a correction as Weis acknowledged that had not checked with the Administration to confirm the actual date of eligibilty. He had made an assumption.

When Hardy was cleared to play late in the season, I checked the ND Academic Calendar looking at when classes end, exams are taken, and grades posted. I can't give you an exact date but based on Powers-Neal I didn't expect Hardy to be able to play in a December Bowl. The Adminstration could be flexible but based on past practices I don't see it likely. I'd be thrilled to be wrong. We need healthy bodies.

 

[BGIF]

I posted this in the Bowl Prediction thread and add it hear as appropos.


Sagarin's current Predictor Model makes ND an 11-1/2 pt underdog at a neutral location.

But Sagarin doesn't take injuries into consideration. He evaluates wins. losses, margin of victory, and strength of schedule. Whether you have anyone left standing for the next game doesn't enter into his calculations.


The odds will end up where the money takes them but I wouldn't be surprised if ND is one of the biggest or biggest underdog on this year's bowl schedule. We have some very talented freshman playing but they're 18 or 19 olds playing against 22 year olds with a lot more physical development and years more experience and we can't spell them for a rest with experienced bodies. We don't have them. It's a very steep hill.

GO IRISH!

 

[koonja]

I posted this in the Bowl Prediction thread and add it hear as appropos.


Sagarin's current Predictor Model makes ND an 11-1/2 pt underdog at a neutral location.

But Sagarin doesn't take injuries into consideration. He evaluates wins. losses, margin of victory, and strength of schedule. Whether you have anyone left standing for the next game doesn't enter into his calculations.


The odds will end up where the money takes them but I wouldn't be surprised if ND is one of the biggest or biggest underdog on this year's bowl schedule. We have some very talented freshman playing but they're 18 or 19 olds playing against 22 year olds with a lot more physical development and years more experience and we can't spell them for a rest with experienced bodies. We don't have them. It's a very steep hill.

GO IRISH!

LSU is really young too.

 

[Legacy]

I also like this matchup. (All stats against FBS opponents)

One dimensional Offense. Passing Offense--118th nationally with 156 yds/game. Their QBs (Soph, Fresh) are not much of a part of their rushing attack. We can scheme against their rushing attack (45th-209 yd/g). Arkansas shut that down @ 1.13 yds/att. - and shut them out. Passing completion rate is 50%. 5 Passing TDs in their last 7 games. 90th ranked Scoring Offense nationally with 20.0 pts per game. They are in games because of their defense.

Very good defense. Against FBS teams, 4th in passing defense, 45th in rushing defense. 6th in the nation in Scoring Defense. We have the 16th ranked Passing Offense (293 yd/gm- about twice theirs). The only SEC team that ranks better than the Irish is A&M at 13th.

Statisitically, we have a better Scoring Offense than Ole Miss (33 vs 28.8) and better numbers in Rushing and Passing offense than Ole Miss. (10-7 LSU win.) Our third down conversion rate is better than LSU's (48% v 32%). Red Zone conversion rate-more FGs for them. Irish score more TDs. (LSU 77.5% scorin (40 atts), 50% TDs (20)) vs (ND 80% scoring (57 atts), 64% TDs (37)).

I'll take the points.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Can anyone get healthy before the bowl game?

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[dshans]

... Interesting question but Idk why he couldnt? New semester starts in january.

I have no interest or desire to data dig.

"In my day" Christmas/Winter break was roughly one month. Late December through late January.

What marks the beginning of a semester? The ending calendar date of the previous semester or the starting calendar date of the ensuing semester?

It was never an issue in my personal experience but could be at issue here.

 

[FLDomer]

Can anyone get healthy before the bowl game?

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Per presser. Martini, Redfield, Cage, Matuska, and hopefully Day will be back for game. Jay Hayes limited in practice still with high ankle.

 

[irish4ever]

It will be Golson, but I feel confident Malik is going to get some playing time. Wouldn't be surprised to see a 60-40 or 65-35 split in reps.

What? LSU might score 60, but ND won't score 40! If Folsom is QB, they might not even get past mid-field!

 

[Nick Setta]

What? LSU might score 60, but ND won't score 40! If Folsom is QB, they might not even get past mid-field!

The great Everam Folsom he's supposed to be our savior.

 

[BoredIrish]

Hopefully Les Miles takes the Michigan job and takes his entire staff with him and LSU has a GA acting as interim coach and all the players just mail it in cause the game takes place in a snowstorm.

Short of that happening... no way ND wins.

 

[aubeirish]

Hopefully Les Miles takes the Michigan job and takes his entire staff with him and LSU has a GA acting as interim coach and all the players just mail it in cause the game takes place in a snowstorm.

Short of that happening... no way ND wins.

No way man. Les Miles is great TV. I expect a short kick to start the game.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Man, we are going to get boat raced. I wish we could have played a lesser team. But, if USC's defense destroyed us, what is LSU going to do. And our defense even with the guys back is bad-They were here against Navy, Louisville, and NW.

Man, this is going to be an absolute blood bath.

I just hate to see another ND thrashing in a bowl game. I have no idea what ND and BK are thinking taking on LSU. They are faaaaaaarrrrrrr better than us

This just sucks.

 

[pkt77242]

I posted this in the Bowl Prediction thread and add it hear as appropos.


Sagarin's current Predictor Model makes ND an 11-1/2 pt underdog at a neutral location.

But Sagarin doesn't take injuries into consideration. He evaluates wins. losses, margin of victory, and strength of schedule. Whether you have anyone left standing for the next game doesn't enter into his calculations.


The odds will end up where the money takes them but I wouldn't be surprised if ND is one of the biggest or biggest underdog on this year's bowl schedule. We have some very talented freshman playing but they're 18 or 19 olds playing against 22 year olds with a lot more physical development and years more experience and we can't spell them for a rest with experienced bodies. We don't have them. It's a very steep hill.

GO IRISH!

To be fair LSU has many underclassmen playing so there is not that many 22 year old players that will be playing for them.

 

[Easton Pa ND Fan]

LSU ranked #16 and #57 respectively...

LSU ranked #16 and #57 respectively...

in pass and rushing defense against
winning-record FBS teams...Tom

ND should groom the running backs.

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[wizards8507]

To be fair LSU has many underclassmen playing so there is not that many 22 year old players that will be playing for them.

LSU underclassmen are not the same as ND underclassmen. See thread: The Eye Test.

 

[Irish Insanity]

So what is the EE lock in date since it seems we are still fighting for the same dude

 

[Old Man Mike]

We may lose, but this is one of the few scenarios which could give the program a needed boost. We'd gain nothing playing any other conference than an SEC member. And we'd gain nothing playing one of the clear SEC powerhouses [just too much with our injured defense] or the lower part of the SEC. We need to get a crack at a middle SEC power --- that's what LSU is this year, and despite a mediocre season for their standards, they still have the aura.

I believe that our offense can score off anyone IF the quarterback stops screwing us up. Other teams don't stop us particularly, we stop/kill ourselves. Will this stop? Who knows? Is Malik a better option? Maybe.

Any chance that we have depends upon who we have available to play defense. I haven't heard comment about JJones, so I'm assuming he'll be ready. If Day and Cage are ready too, then with Rochell, Utupo, Trumbetti, they might hold up that end. Is Riggs going to be healthy? This is as big a deal as anything, since if he is, we might be able to put him and Luke on islands with their mediocre WR corps, and commit Safeties more strongly vs the run.

Sure the odds are against all this, but "what though the odds...."

This game gives us a chance to actually accomplish something here, and almost no other scenario does. Risk nothing, gain nothing.

 

[koonja]

We may lose, but this is one of the few scenarios which could give the program a needed boost. We'd gain nothing playing any other conference than an SEC member. And we'd gain nothing playing one of the clear SEC powerhouses [just too much with our injured defense] or the lower part of the SEC. We need to get a crack at a middle SEC power --- that's what LSU is this year, and despite a mediocre season for their standards, they still have the aura.

I believe that our offense can score off anyone IF the quarterback stops screwing us up. Other teams don't stop us particularly, we stop/kill ourselves. Will this stop? Who knows? Is Malik a better option? Maybe.

Any chance that we have depends upon who we have available to play defense. I haven't heard comment about JJones, so I'm assuming he'll be ready. If Day and Cage are ready too, then with Rochell, Utupo, Trumbetti, they might hold up that end. Is Riggs going to be healthy? This is as big a deal as anything, since if he is, we might be able to put him and Luke on islands with their mediocre WR corps, and commit Safeties more strongly vs the run.

Sure the odds are against all this, but "what though the odds...."

This game gives us a chance to actually accomplish something here, and almost no other scenario does. Risk nothing, gain nothing.

FYI, Jones is definitely out and I personally think Day will be out as well, but that is not certain.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Jarron Jones is out, he had foot surgery. Lis Frank is a huge problem.

So, there is no way in God's green earth that he is playing.

It is going to be another embarrassment on national tv.

I think this bowl game is a huge mistake, but we are in it. I sure hope we can make a game of it.

 

[Nick Setta]

Jarron Jones is out, he had foot surgery. Lis Frank is a huge problem.

So, there is no way in God's green earth that he is playing.

It is going to be another embarrassment on national tv.

I think this bowl game is a huge mistake, but we are in it. I sure hope we can make a game of it.

Don't post on the Gameday thread.

 

[IrishLax]

I'll be surprised if we give up less than 40 and score more than 10. About the worst possible matchup we could get on many different levels.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

I will, I still support my team. But, looking at the body of work of LSU and ours. It is no contest. And the Loiusvill/NW/USC games alone show we have little to no chance.

Hope I am wrong. But, this is going to be a scary ride.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

IrishLAX, I can't agree more. This is a match-up nightmare for us.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Super lame that this is on 2pm on a work day.

 

[ulukinatme]

I like that some of you are trying to be positive about this...but there is absolutely, positively nothing good about this match-up given our defensive injuries/suspensions. This was probably about the worst draw we could have had given teams with similar records.

 

[BobD]

LSU is really young too.

But there's a difference between recruits from regular high school and the continuation high school.

 

[gkIrish]

I like that some of you are trying to be positive about this...but there is absolutely, positively nothing good about this match-up given our defensive injuries/suspensions. This was probably about the worst draw we could have had given teams with similar records.

I think Auburn would have been the nightmare matchup but this is pretty close.

 

[koonja]

I think Auburn would have been the nightmare matchup but this is pretty close.

Auburn would have been worse IMO. Their QB would do whatever he wanted against us.