ND Coaching Changes 2016

[NDgradstudent]

My read is that these changes have as much to do with Swarbrick as Kelly. I don't know of any HC that has come as close to being fired as Kelly was a couple months ago who turned things around and stayed for another 4 years at a blue blood program like ND.

If the coach is going to be undermined in that way, why is he the coach? Swarbrick kept him on to cover his own rear, having foolishly extended him. (So it is clear, that is speculation; I do not have specific evidence that it is true.) The problem goes deeper than Kelly.

 

[gkIrish]

If the coach is going to be undermined in that way, why is he the coach? Swarbrick kept him on to cover his own rear, having foolishly extended him. (So it is clear, that is speculation; I do not have specific evidence that it is true.) The problem goes deeper than Kelly.

It's not a conspiracy. And no matter what Swarbrick thinks there are people above him that ultimately could have pushed Kelly out if they thought it was for the best taking everything (i.e. buyout, candidates) into consideration.

 

[Irish#1]

It's not a conspiracy. And no matter what Swarbrick thinks there are people above him that ultimately could have pushed Kelly out if they thought it was for the best taking everything (i.e. buyout, candidates) into consideration.

True, but that's not going to happen unless the team is only winning 1-3 games a year and Swarbrick doesn't want to make a change. Outside of the academics, the business side at ND isn't really much different then any other large company. People are put in place to run departments and they report up the ladder. The bosses up the ladder provide objectives to be met under defined guidelines, then they get out of the way and their directors, managers, etc. do their thing. When the objectives aren't being met, they will step in.

 

[PANDFAN]

The Way We Hear It: Brian Kelly wants out of South Bend, but no NFL team wants him | Pro Football Weekly

 

[Cackalacky]

Any one here a fan of Chip Lindsey? Has his roots in deep South, known for QB development. Not sure if he is even plausible.

I know of him and he seems he is on the fast track for A SEC/ ACC gig. He has coached at Hoover and Lassiter High schools (Georgia), analayst for Auburn in 2013, took the ASU OC job. He has had some very good success with QBs. Maybe he might be a nice pull for OC but he is a total journeyman right now.

 

[IrishLax]

If the coach is going to be undermined in that way, why is he the coach? Swarbrick kept him on to cover his own rear, having foolishly extended him. (So it is clear, that is speculation; I do not have specific evidence that it is true.) The problem goes deeper than Kelly.

I'm glad you acknowledge that as speculation. That's not how the organizational structure works.

Swarbrick is like 3 tiers below the head of the snake and in all of these kinds of big $$ decisions involving football he takes marching orders; he doesn't give them. Now, of course he's empowered to have significant input on whether he feels Kelly should be fired or not, but the ball is in the hands of Jenkins, the Fellows, the prominent boosters, the BoT, etc. They reviewed available options and elected to keep him for another year. The end. There is no value to continuing to rehash what has already played out.

 

[rtrn2glory]

The Way We Hear It: Brian Kelly wants out of South Bend, but no NFL team wants him | Pro Football Weekly

So he'll interview for a few jobs when they open up and ruin recruiting even more for the remainder of the cycle

 

[BobbyMac]

So he'll interview for a few jobs when they open up and ruin recruiting even more for the remainder of the cycle

If you believe PFW, he won't. Nobody wants to talk to him.

Good.

 

[IrishLax]

So he'll interview for a few jobs when they open up and ruin recruiting even more for the remainder of the cycle

Doubt you see a leak of an interview anywhere unless he takes another job, which is improbable. Also, that link is a classic "nothing" article citing unnamed sources.

 

[irishff1014]

The Way We Hear It: Brian Kelly wants out of South Bend, but no NFL team wants him | Pro Football Weekly

He would be a much better coach than ole Rex, and probably a hand full of other coaches.

But if someone. It's on Kelly who the hell takes over here?

 

[PANDFAN]

So he'll interview for a few jobs when they open up and ruin recruiting even more for the remainder of the cycle

i just put the article here....its a piece of $hit article and sounds more like a poster wrote it

 

[spoonidentity]

I know of him and he seems he is on the fast track for A SEC/ ACC gig. He has coached at Hoover and Lassiter High schools (Georgia), analayst for Auburn in 2013, took the ASU OC job for one month before moving quickly to take the Southern Miss HC job. He has had some very good success with QBs. Maybe he might be a nice pull for OC but he is a total journeyman right now.

I believe he is still at ASU - he was OC at Southern Miss for two years before leaving to go to ASU, he has been there for the full year (2016).

But he has had lots of offensive success in his first year- the defense was the problem all season; when the QB got injured they did not do well on offense.

TheSunDevils.com | Arizona State University Athletics

 

[Cackalacky]

I believe he is still at ASU - he was OC at Southern Miss for two years before leaving to go to ASU, he has been there for the full year (2016).

But he has had lots of offensive success in his first year- the defense was the problem all season; when the QB got injured they did not do well on offense.

TheSunDevils.com | Arizona State University Athletics

Yep you are right. I apparently cant read bylines and article dates.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm a big time Kelly supporter but I 100% have to agree with your statement of stubbornly refusing to nake necessary changes.

FWIW, I'd also characterize myself as a "Kelly supporter". My fandom began in earnest as a freshman at ND in 2002, so I was in the stands for Willingham's entire tenure and most of Weis'. Kelly's been the most successful coach at ND since I've been paying attention; his highs were higher and his lows (at least until this last season) weren't nearly as damaging as his immediate predecessors. When Kelly hands off the reins to a new HC, likely late next year, the new guy will be inheriting a much stronger program than the one Kelly stepped into in 2009.

But that doesn't mean he ought to coach us indefinitely. After 'Bama humiliated us in the title game, Murtaugh published a 4-part series at OFD on rebuilding ND's football program. One of his best points is that, regardless of whether Kelly ever wins a title, he's done us a huge service by establishing an 8-win "floor" at ND; because losing seasons do a significant amount of damage to the program which often take several years to repair.

But then he let to bottom fall out this past season, going 4-8 against the softest schedule we've had in nearly a decade. So I can't apologize for him anymore. I'm grateful for what he's done for the program, but it's clearly time to move on.

 

[zelezo vlk]

FWIW, I'd also characterize myself as a "Kelly supporter". My fandom began in earnest as a freshman at ND in 2002, so I was in the stands for Willingham's entire tenure and most of Weis'. Kelly's been the most successful coach at ND since I've been paying attention; his highs were higher and his lows (at least until this last season) weren't nearly as damaging as his immediate predecessors. When Kelly hands off the reins to a new HC, likely late next year, the new guy will be inheriting a much stronger program than the one Kelly stepped into in 2009.

But that doesn't mean he ought to coach us indefinitely. After 'Bama humiliated us in the titled game, Murtaugh published a 4-part series at OFD on rebuilding ND's football program. One of his best points is that, regardless of whether Kelly ever wins a title, he's done us a huge service by establishing an 8-win "floor" at ND; because losing seasons do a significant amount of damage to the program which often take several years to repair.

But then he let to bottom fall out this past season, going 4-8 against the softest schedule we've had in nearly a decade. So I can't apologize for him anymore. I'm grateful for what he's done for the program, but it's clearly time to move on.

F*ck you're old

 

[gkIrish]

FWIW, I'd also characterize myself as a "Kelly supporter". My fandom began in earnest as a freshman at ND in 2002, so I was in the stands for Willingham's entire tenure and most of Weis'. Kelly's been the most successful coach at ND since I've been paying attention; his highs were higher and his lows (at least until this last season) weren't nearly as damaging as his immediate predecessors. When Kelly hands off the reins to a new HC, likely late next year, the new guy will be inheriting a much stronger program than the one Kelly stepped into in 2009.

But that doesn't mean he ought to coach us indefinitely. After 'Bama humiliated us in the title game, Murtaugh published a 4-part series at OFD on rebuilding ND's football program. One of his best points is that, regardless of whether Kelly ever wins a title, he's done us a huge service by establishing an 8-win "floor" at ND; because losing seasons do a significant amount of damage to the program which often take several years to repair.

But then he let to bottom fall out this past season, going 4-8 against the softest schedule we've had in nearly a decade. So I can't apologize for him anymore. I'm grateful for what he's done for the program, but it's clearly time to move on.

Point of Order: the "floor" was 7 wins, not 8. I guess maybe that article included bowl games, which is stupid.

 

[NDdomer2]

I fall in the same boat as whiskey on this. However I will say it isn't that we have a 4 win team in terms of talent. At least not in my eyes. But horseshoes and hand grenades on close losses.

 

[PANDFAN]

I fall in the same boat as whiskey on this. However I will say it isn't that we have a 4 win team in terms of talent. At least not in my eyes. But horshoes and hangrenades on close losses.

 

[NDdomer2]

Fuck my texting skills.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Heard <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB">@BruceFeldmanCFB</a> mention this on his podcast, but notion of Mark Helfrich as a target for ND’s next OC/QB coach is interesting.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/814552100034248704">December 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Irish#1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Heard <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB">@BruceFeldmanCFB</a> mention this on his podcast, but notion of Mark Helfrich as a target for ND’s next OC/QB coach is interesting.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/814552100034248704">December 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Is Feldman hearing something or simply playing the what if game?

 

[PANDFAN]

Is Feldman hearing something or simply playing the what if game?

didn't hear the podcast...guessing it was just spitballing

 

[zelezo vlk]

Lax would be happy

 

[irishff1014]

@TomLoy247 on twitter is reporting that Denbrock is going to Cincy.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Hansen and sports illustrated saying the same

 

[IrishLion]

Good move for UC.

Sucks for ND, but not totally catastrophic depending on who coaches WR's and if BK/Quinn rekindle their UC days in terms of playcalling.

 

[pumpdog20]

Meh, if he was truly calling the plays, I'm not necessarily sad at this development.

 

[kmoose]

maybe that article included bowl games, which is stupid.

The NCAA counts them, why shouldn't everyone else? If you finish the regular season one rushing yard shy of the NCAA record, and rush for 2 yards in your bowl game, you become the all time leading rusher.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Meh, if he was truly calling the plays, I'm not necessarily sad at this development.

He was calling the plays from the booth, but Kelly was also undermining him by regularly overriding his calls. That's why he's leaving. So I don't think we should feel good about this. Denbrock has always been Kelly's best recruiter, and he's got a very good track record as a WR coach too. There's no way to spin his departure as a positive here.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

This is neat. All of the wrong coaches are gone.