Mike Gundy Wears an OAN Shirt

[TorontoGold]

So why is it that wearing a Che or Marx or abortion rights t-shirt is OK, even though it offends lots of people on several levels, but a FOX, MAGA, or OAN t-shirt is a horrible crime against humanity? Neither is less or more offensive to those who oppose or support those things. Why are leftists, especially the young, so outraged about everything and easily triggered and offended?

If I see someone wearing a Che shirt, I just roll my eyes and think to myself that they're an uninformed nitwit trying to look cool. I don't cry about it and have a meltdown. Lots of people in this country need to grow up, toughen up, and realize that their opinion isn't special, their point of view isn't the only one, and start realizing that others are allowed to disagree with them.

As a left leaning millennial I think a lot of our mentality of outrage culture comes from having access to a ton info at a young age. We see a whole bunch of things that are perceived as big issues and will voice our opinion on it. As well the garbage saying "You can do anything you put your mind towards", which is pretty false as everyone's got a ceiling. This in turn leads to a ton kids taking useless majors racking up a ton debt expecting someone else to pay. The mob culture is certainly problematic with drowning out reasonable ideas.

My personal take on left vs right outrage, is we're all mad at something. On the left we get mad at statues, on the right people get mad at gender identification.

 

[Bishop2b5]

As a left leaning millennial I think a lot of our mentality of outrage culture comes from having access to a ton info at a young age. We see a whole bunch of things that are perceived as big issues and will voice our opinion on it. As well the garbage saying "You can do anything you put your mind towards", which is pretty false as everyone's got a ceiling. This in turn leads to a ton kids taking useless majors racking up a ton debt expecting someone else to pay. The mob culture is certainly problematic with drowning out reasonable ideas.

My personal take on left vs right outrage, is we're all mad at something. On the left we get mad at statues, on the right people get mad at gender identification.

This, regardless of which side of an issue a person is on, is a serious problem today. It's effectively ended any chance to learn what anyone else actually believes or why, and it's made it almost impossible to find common ground or just agree to peacefully disagree.

I'm amazed on a regular basis at what liberals claim conservatives stand for or believe in or support or oppose. And the few times they actually get the what right, they almost always get the why wrong. I imagine there are a few things conservatives misunderstand about liberals too. This immediate outrage, condemnation, "YOU'RE EVIL!!!" cancel culture and shouting out anyone who doesn't think exactly as you do is so incredibly bad for us as a people and kills any attempt to have a reasonable, factual discussion. It's thought police, mob rule, intellectual terrorism.

I've told all my kids and lots of other young people that when you go to college, academics is only half of your education. The other half is being exposed to people from other walks of life with other experiences and views. All of us at 18 have led rather narrow lives. Being exposed to a lot of people from other parts of the country, other religions, other races, other socio-economic backgrounds, and who've had very different life experiences than you is a HUGE part of becoming a well-rounded, informed and educated person. It forces you to consider other points of view and to examine your own. You'll change your mind on some things and become more certain of other things you thought before and have a better understanding of why you believe those things. Today's thought police/cancel culture destroys that opportunity. They shout down anyone who doesn't think and speak exactly the same way they do instead of discussing, listening, and learning.

 

[Irish#1]

I felt that I read something that came across as racist. It was not my intention to call Bishop racist but simply to point out that the comment came across as such. For many years, I have never spoke up about any of this and now I feel it's my duty as a person who identifies as Catholic, who comes from white privilege, and a physician who has taken oaths to help people to call out things when I see it. I apologize for offending Bishop. I also feel your reactions where much more severe than my initial comment and prevented a conversation which is what I was accused of doing. My whole point was to call out the comment as something that shouldn't be said - not that he can't say it - and that maybe when people do so now we shouldn't be reactionary but consider how others may feel by what we said. Also the book relating said comment to it's racial and socioeconomic underpinings is good and I believe explains why I commented more than I can on a sports board.

I appreciate you comment(s). I am in that group that didn't take Bishops comments as offensive. You interpreted his comment as a comment against black prisoners, so let's dig into that a little deeper. Curious how you appear to exclude the white prisoners?

What's interesting to me is what is at the core of this. Your upbringing and life experiences conditioned you to view this comment as racist. Would asking Bishop what he meant by the comment be a more appropriate statement/question/comment than your original reply?

We need to have respect for everyone, but we are becoming way too sensitive. Heard this morning that UoV is changing the design of the sword handles that are part of their logo. Why? Someone has found them offensive.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

As a left leaning millennial I think a lot of our mentality of outrage culture comes from having access to a ton info at a young age. We see a whole bunch of things that are perceived as big issues and will voice our opinion on it. As well the garbage saying "You can do anything you put your mind towards", which is pretty false as everyone's got a ceiling. This in turn leads to a ton kids taking useless majors racking up a ton debt expecting someone else to pay. The mob culture is certainly problematic with drowning out reasonable ideas.

My personal take on left vs right outrage, is we're all mad at something. On the left we get mad at statues, on the right people get mad at gender identification.

I'm 34. Here's the difference between many at my age and many ten years or so behind us:

I'm not a vegan, but I'm cool with anyone who chooses to be. There are some vegans who don't think I should be allowed to eat a steak.

I don't agree with people who burn our flag and it pains me to see it, but I support everyone's First Amendment rights.

See the gap?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Equating Fox News to one of the most important intellectuals in world history is pretty stupid.

Threatening to sit out your senior year because your coach wore a cable news tshirt on a fishing trip is more stupid.

 

[IrishLion]

Preface: this isn't an attack on Bishop... love that guy.

I think Bishop immediately disregarding Chuba Hubbard's concerns over Gundy's choice of attire is just another example of both sides being blind or unwilling to find common ground.

I think it was an over-the-top reaction to a tshirt... but at the same time, it's pretty easy to understand why a young black guy would get set off by it, particularly when you consider Gundy's recent track record of putting his foot in his mouth.

Bishop and ACamp lament that the left isn't willing to have conversations, or can't without calling people racist or Nazis. And I really do get that. But to disregard Hubbard's concerns over that blanket idea is ALSO pretty short-sighted to me.

If you can't see why a black person would be miffed over a person of authority in their lives latching on to OAN's coattails, there's a big conservative blind spot obstructing things as much as there is when lefties get razzled about all stuff that is hypocritical or ridiculous.

 

[NDdomer2]

Preface: this isn't an attack on Bishop... love that guy.

I think Bishop immediately disregarding Chuba Hubbard's concerns over Gundy's choice of attire is just another example of both sides being blind or unwilling to find common ground.

I think it was an over-the-top reaction to a tshirt... but at the same time, it's pretty easy to understand why a young black guy would get set off by it, particularly when you consider Gundy's recent track record of putting his foot in his mouth.

Bishop and ACamp lament that the left isn't willing to have conversations, or can't without calling people racist or Nazis. And I really do get that. But to disregard Hubbard's concerns over that blanket idea is ALSO pretty short-sighted to me.

If you can't see why a black person would be miffed over a person of authority in their lives latching on to OAN's coattails, there's a big conservative blind spot obstructing things as much as there is when lefties get razzled about all stuff that is hypocritical or ridiculous.

Just a thought - this isnt a situation where Gundy got hired in after Hubbard committed to OSU. This is who Gundy was when Hubbard chose to make him a person of authority in his life. If he doesnt like who he is, shouldn't he have done a better job of finding out what kind of person he was playing for?

 

[Wild Bill]

Preface: this isn't an attack on Bishop... love that guy.

I think Bishop immediately disregarding Chuba Hubbard's concerns over Gundy's choice of attire is just another example of both sides being blind or unwilling to find common ground.

I think it was an over-the-top reaction to a tshirt... but at the same time, it's pretty easy to understand why a young black guy would get set off by it, particularly when you consider Gundy's recent track record of putting his foot in his mouth.

Bishop and ACamp lament that the left isn't willing to have conversations, or can't without calling people racist or Nazis. And I really do get that. But to disregard Hubbard's concerns over that blanket idea is ALSO pretty short-sighted to me.

If you can't see why a black person would be miffed over a person of authority in their lives latching on to OAN's coattails, there's a big conservative blind spot obstructing things as much as there is when lefties get razzled about all stuff that is hypocritical or ridiculous.

Literally can't imagine being this fragile.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Preface: this isn't an attack on Bishop... love that guy.

I think Bishop immediately disregarding Chuba Hubbard's concerns over Gundy's choice of attire is just another example of both sides being blind or unwilling to find common ground.

I think it was an over-the-top reaction to a tshirt... but at the same time, it's pretty easy to understand why a young black guy would get set off by it, particularly when you consider Gundy's recent track record of putting his foot in his mouth.

Bishop and ACamp lament that the left isn't willing to have conversations, or can't without calling people racist or Nazis. And I really do get that. But to disregard Hubbard's concerns over that blanket idea is ALSO pretty short-sighted to me.

If you can't see why a black person would be miffed over a person of authority in their lives latching on to OAN's coattails, there's a big conservative blind spot obstructing things as much as there is when lefties get razzled about all stuff that is hypocritical or ridiculous.

1. I'd bet a month's salary that these guys would not have threatened to sit out in Hubbard's situation: Hershel Walker, Adrian Peterson, Maurice Clarett, Frank Gore. Why? Because they weren't raised to embrace victimhood and wouldn't be triggered by an OAN tshirt.

2. If Hubbard really was this upset, he should have called Gundy up and had a meeting. Talk through it. Understand the differences and find common ground. I understand he's a young man but this generation has been taught to believe all problems are solved with hashtags and that's not reality.

 

[NDRock]

So why is it that wearing a Che or Marx or abortion rights t-shirt is OK, even though it offends lots of people on several levels, but a FOX, MAGA, or OAN t-shirt is a horrible crime against humanity? Neither is less or more offensive to those who oppose or support those things. Why are leftists, especially the young, so outraged about everything and easily triggered and offended?

If I see someone wearing a Che shirt, I just roll my eyes and think to myself that they're an uninformed nitwit trying to look cool. I don't cry about it and have a meltdown. Lots of people in this country need to grow up, toughen up, and realize that their opinion isn't special, their point of view isn't the only one, and start realizing that others are allowed to disagree with them.

Nothing new. I'm sure someone from your hippie generation realizes that. The WW II generation thought the baby boomers had all lost their minds. The youth always think they can change the world for the better. You eventually get older, the testosterone levels lower, and you start worrying about your mortgage and 401k. Instead of changing the system, most start thinking about how to use the system to their own advantage or you realize it's a lost cause.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm 34. Here's the difference between many at my age and many ten years or so behind us:

I'm not a vegan, but I'm cool with anyone who chooses to be. There are some vegans who don't think I should be allowed to eat a steak.

I don't agree with people who burn our flag and it pains me to see it, but I support everyone's First Amendment rights.

See the gap?

I agree with you on both points there. I don't know if being a vegan is core to being on the left - as I'm not a vegan. But if someone wants to be vegan, go nuts eat your front lawn.

 

[NDohio]

The inmates are trying to get control of the asylum.

I actually didn't think of this as racist at all. In fact, when I think about the old asylums my mind goes to them being mostly white patients(inmates).

So why is it that wearing a Che or Marx or abortion rights t-shirt is OK, even though it offends lots of people on several levels, but a FOX, MAGA, or OAN t-shirt is a horrible crime against humanity? Neither is less or more offensive to those who oppose or support those things. Why are leftists, especially the young, so outraged about everything and easily triggered and offended?

If I see someone wearing a Che shirt, I just roll my eyes and think to myself that they're an uninformed nitwit trying to look cool. I don't cry about it and have a meltdown. Lots of people in this country need to grow up, toughen up, and realize that their opinion isn't special, their point of view isn't the only one, and start realizing that others are allowed to disagree with them.

Except a certain QB lost his job by people (including POTUS) being triggered by him. The Che shirt he wore was one of the things that people had a complete melt down about. Both side have these types of reactions - they may be carried out differently, but it goes both ways.

I again go back to the fact that the shirt was just the topping. The reactions by teammates and alumni show that there were issues leading up to this reaction. Hubbard reacted improperly by doing it on Twitter, but I think this reaction was going to happen sooner than later based on how things are playing out after Hubbard's Twitter post.

 

[drayer54]

1. I'd bet a month's salary that these guys would not have threatened to sit out in Hubbard's situation: Hershel Walker, Adrian Peterson, Maurice Clarett, Frank Gore. Why? Because they weren't raised to embrace victimhood and wouldn't be triggered by an OAN tshirt.

2. If Hubbard really was this upset, he should have called Gundy up and had a meeting. Talk through it. Understand the differences and find common ground. I understand he's a young man but this generation has been taught to believe all problems are solved with hashtags and that's not reality.

These young entitled folks have been so coddled and had such a "privileged" upbringing that they expect to be surrounded by things that make them feel safe and expect everyone else to align with their world view. They are also watching an unstoppable movement that can bully and overpower anyone out of fear of being alienated and called racist. It's entitlement and victimhood to the extreme. I hope Gundy gave more spirited feedback in private.

 

[IrishLion]

1. I'd bet a month's salary that these guys would not have threatened to sit out in Hubbard's situation: Hershel Walker, Adrian Peterson, Maurice Clarett, Frank Gore. Why? Because they weren't raised to embrace victimhood and wouldn't be triggered by an OAN tshirt.

That's great for them... but what some people *might* have done in the past doesn't really have anything to do with this, because...

2. If Hubbard really was this upset, he should have called Gundy up and had a meeting. Talk through it. Understand the differences and find common ground. I understand he's a young man but this generation has been taught to believe all problems are solved with hashtags and that's not reality.

Hubbard DID speak up, and now Gundy is on the hook for listening to his players and working with them on figuring out how everyone should proceed. Maybe that means Gundy listens to his players' concerns, maybe it means the players learn to keep things in house and appreciate their privilege as college athletes.

Idk what form the 'change' is supposed to take, but the best player on the team spoke up and started a process of change. He spoke up for his beliefs and created action.

Isn't that what we're supposed to be looking for?

Even if it's ridiculous to get mad at a tshirt (it is!)... I can understand WHY he was upset, and I respect him for using his (limited) power to force the issue.

And to be 100% honest, if it were a different program, I'd be the first to say "whoa dude that's crazy, don't upset the cart." But the fact is that Gundy has always been an overreactive dunce who puts his foot in his mouth about a lot of things (and I don't mean that in terms of politics, I mean it in terms of everything), so it's not surprising to me that someone finally turned the tables on him.

 

[drayer54]

I've been showing people that picture of Gundy and asking them why this triggered people and nobody has guessed right so far. Most people don't know OAN. This one was absolutely ridiculous.

 

[IrishLion]

Literally can't imagine being this fragile.

For the record, the only tshirts that offend me are scUM tshirts.

Just trying to say that I understand why the representation would bother Chuba Hubbard, even if I don't agree with the conclusions he's drawn from his beliefs.

 

[NDRock]

I actually didn't think of this as racist at all. In fact, when I think about the old asylums my mind goes to them being mostly white patients(inmates).




Except a certain QB lost his job by people (including POTUS) being triggered by him. The Che shirt he wore was one of the things that people had a complete melt down about. Both side have these types of reactions - they may be carried out differently, but it goes both ways.

I again go back to the fact that the shirt was just the topping. The reactions by teammates and alumni show that there were issues leading up to this reaction. Hubbard reacted improperly by doing it on Twitter, but I think this reaction was going to happen sooner than later based on how things are playing out after Hubbard's Twitter post.

It is a little ironic that our current President is the most over sensitive person I've ever seen in that position. Constantly complaining about how poorly he is treated and doing so on social media. He's really the OG of the Millennial generation. I'm surprised more young people don't like him.

 

[IrishLion]

Just a thought - this isnt a situation where Gundy got hired in after Hubbard committed to OSU. This is who Gundy was when Hubbard chose to make him a person of authority in his life. If he doesnt like who he is, shouldn't he have done a better job of finding out what kind of person he was playing for?

Yes! He should have!

Gundy has always been a toolbox.

But I can't help but respect a player who recognized his power as the best player on the team, and used it to his advantage. College athletes need to use what limited power they have, IMO.

Once NIL rules take effect, it will be a much more interesting convo on 'shut up and dribble,' though.

 

[dublinirish]

Honest question as I’ve never watched OAN. If Gundy was wearing a FOX News shirt would that be racist too?

if Fox news is calling BLM movement terrorism then yeah

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I agree with you on both points there. I don't know if being a vegan is core to being on the left - as I'm not a vegan. But if someone wants to be vegan, go nuts eat your front lawn.

No one is saying it is... This was a metaphor

 

[ACamp1900]

if Fox news is calling BLM movement terrorism then yeah

BLM isn’t representative of black America, it’s a movement within a subset, and the movement, just like any other has some pretty problematic components to it. I have black nephews whose lives were put in danger when BLM pressured the city of Baltimore to remove police forces from the black areas of Baltimore. My nephew Jaquan was car jacked and robbed in two separate incidents that summer. I have black family members due to this and other components of BLM that detest this movement. But let’s make BLM completely above criticism and make any hyperbolic statements from any anchor anywhere in relation to BLM a racist statement that paints the whole. We need to have these discussions, not shout them down.

 

[dublinirish]

BLM isn’t representative of black America, it’s a movement within a subset, and the movement, just like any other has some pretty problematic components to it. I have black nephews whose lives were put in danger when BLM pressured the city of Baltimore to remove police forces from the black areas of Baltimore. My nephew Jaquan was car jacked and robbed in two separate incidents that summer. I have black family members due to this and others components of BLM that detest this movement. But let’s make BLM completely above criticism and make any hyperbolic statements from any anchor anywhere in relation to BLM a racist statement that paints the whole. We have to have these discussions, not shout them down.

yeah no problem to pick holes in the BLM movement or any movement as long as the points made are logical and factual, OAN is not doing this. Hence the problem.

 

[Bluto]

Bad ideas from smart people (intellectuals) are still bad ideas

The only Marxists countries remaining right now are what, China, N. Korea, Cuba, etc.. right? Success!!!!!

His ideas and thinking go far beyond various political movements that associated with some of his ideas. He played a seminal role in founding the fields of sociology and economics. Again he is one of the most important thinkers in human history. He’s right there with Aristotle, Socrates, Smith etc...equating him to the likes of. Sean Hannity is peak stupidity.

If you want to get into some pedantic argument about “success”, China since 1980 lifted almost a billion people out of poverty and has become one of the global economic engines. Currently the US is in complete meltdown mode and the capitalist economic model we have championed is destroying the entire planet and has destroyed numerous local economies in places like Flint and Youngstown. Cuba has a fantastic medical system given the size of the economy and the size of the country and Cubans have a longer life expectancy than those in the US. It seems there might be some lessons on “success” and failure to be found in Marx’s works.

I’m not championing a Marxist system per se but I’d recommend re-reading Das Capital.

 

[greyhammer90]

BLM isn’t representative of black America, it’s a movement within a subset, and the movement, just like any other has some pretty problematic components to it. I have black nephews whose lives were put in danger when BLM pressured the city of Baltimore to remove police forces from the black areas of Baltimore. My nephew Jaquan was car jacked and robbed in two separate incidents that summer. I have black family members due to this and others components of BLM that detest this movement. But let’s make BLM completely above criticism and make any hyperbolic statements from any anchor anywhere in relation to BLM a racist statement that paints the whole. We have to have these discussions, not shout them down.

So a news reporter calling something "terrorism" is obviously hyperbolic, but pointing out that a news reporter called something terrorism is unreasonably shouting down the opposition.

 

[ACamp1900]

So a news reporter calling something "terrorism" is obviously hyperbolic, but pointing out that a news reporter called something terrorism is unreasonably shouting down the opposition.

No, pointing it out and calling it dumb is fine, jumping to the entire network is racist and thus so is anyone who watches or supports it is unreasonably shouting down opposition.

 

[Bluto]

if Fox news is calling BLM movement terrorism then yeah

The op ed kooks (Ingram, Hannity, the one dude who stole Pat Buchanan’s shtick) at Fox promote off the wall shit like that all the time.

 

[greyhammer90]

jumping to the entire network is racist and thus so is anyone who watches or supports it is unreasonably shouting down opposition.

Well, it's a good thing that didn't happen then.

 

[ACamp1900]

Well, it's a good thing that didn't happen then.

Guess you have Dublin on ignore,... not mad at you.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Guessing at motivations for an action is always tricky. Determining the value of an action is a bit more straight forward

 

[greyhammer90]

Guess you have Dublin on ignore,... not mad at you.

My point is this: A college kid read about what's going on around the country, probably read about the supportive statements/march attendance from other coaches around the country, and then saw a picture of his silent on the issue coach doing a leisure activity and wearing a shirt of a news network that is, by all accounts, a total conspiracy theorist rag that falsely claims that the marchers are setting up bombs at memorials and that the now infamous knocked-over elderly man was attempting to scramble police radio waves.

If you equate a kid seeing that picture in the context of the last two weeks and publicly saying "I don't want to be a part of his organization" with someone saying "Anyone who wears a conservative t shirt is racist", you're building a strawman.