Mike Gundy Wears an OAN Shirt

[BCSorBust]

You've gotta be kidding me. It's an old saying about what it would be like if the patients at a mental institution were running it instead of the medical staff. Do you understand that inmates in this case refers to the patients at a mental institution, not the inmates at a prison????????? Never crossed my mind to insinuate the athletes at OSU were criminals or inmates at a penal institution. This is a perfect example of having delicate feelings and looking for a way to misinterpret something so you can be offended.

I know what the saying is as I said. It didn't cross your mind that calling a group of young men who are predominantly black inmates, I don't disagree with this. Asylums were predominantly legal institutions for the criminally insane and were made up of more poor and underrepresented communities. They were closed because they were abusive facilities that again were significantly biased towards the poor and underrepresented communities. I also think you shouldn't be so reactionary when someone calls it out and maybe could respond saying something like, "Ah yes, calling a bunch of young black men inmates is probably not a good thing. I won't do that anymore." The book "The Administrations of Lunacy" is actually a good read looking into the origins of all of this.

 

[ACamp1900]

Never watched MSNBC but used to watch CNN a lot. But over the past 5 or so years they are just terrible. So biased against anything conservative. I have been going to youtube more now for news and twitter.

I basically come to IE,... no bias or misreporting ever goes on with the correspondents here........

 

[dad4aa]

I know what the saying is as I said. It didn't cross your mind that calling a group of young men who are predominantly black inmates, I don't disagree with this. Asylums were predominantly legal institutions for the criminally insane and were made up of more poor and underrepresented communities. They were closed because they were abusive facilities that again were significantly biased towards the poor and underrepresented communities. I also think you shouldn't be so reactionary when someone calls it out and maybe could respond saying something like, "Ah yes, calling a bunch of young black men inmates is probably not a good thing. I won't do that anymore." The book "The Administrations of Lunacy" is actually a good read looking into the origins of all of this.

Just bc you jump to the conclusion of prison doesn’t mean everyone does. Most people have heard the saying and know it refers to mental institutions and not prison. Like Acamp said...and how most of the mainstream media reacts...you take an innocent remark and twist it to push your agenda of anti-racism. Not everything said has to be about racism.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I know what the saying is as I said. It didn't cross your mind that calling a group of young men who are predominantly black inmates, I don't disagree with this. Asylums were predominantly legal institutions for the criminally insane and were made up of more poor and underrepresented communities. They were closed because they were abusive facilities that again were significantly biased towards the poor and underrepresented communities. I also think you shouldn't be so reactionary when someone calls it out and maybe could respond saying something like, "Ah yes, calling a bunch of young black men inmates is probably not a good thing. I won't do that anymore." The book "The Administrations of Lunacy" is actually a good read looking into the origins of all of this.

People like you are why we can't have adult conversations and discuss stuff using reason and facts. You look for any and every way to misinterpret everything instead of being able to discuss stuff like a reasonable adult. Because you can't interpret the language as it was spoken and intended doesn't obligate me to buy into your PC silliness or only speak Newspeak. I don't play that sort of mindless silly bs.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

I haven't commented in a long, long time and have been a member and reader here for over 10 years but I cannot be silent when racist things get posted on this board. Calling a group of predominantly black young men "inmates" is not ok anymore. I'm old, I know it's a saying, but I also know that we are capable of thinking about what we write and say before doing it and not writing and/or saying it if it could be easily read as offensive to a group of people. I'm not saying you can't say it, I'm saying you shouldn't say it. It's not being politically correct, it's being responsible for one's actions and being considerate of other people's feelings in the context of their experiences.

You all may have missed his point.

And...
I´ll say it again (and will never tire of saying it)...

ND football is a -part- of Notre Dame.
Notre Dame has a pretty clear value system, neither left, nor right, but always Christ-like.
You cannot have one without the other.

Let´s think in a Notre Dame paradigm guys.. .

 

[ACamp1900]

You all may have missed his point.

And...
I´ll say it again (and will never tire of saying it)...

ND football is a -part- of Notre Dame.
Notre Dame has a pretty clear value system, neither left, nor right, but always Christ-like.
You cannot have one without the other.

Let´s think in a Notre Dame paradigm guys.. .

He had a point aside from strongly implying Bishop is racist for using a clearly non racially intended figure of speech??? Funny, I have no idea how it could have gotten lost,....

 

[JurDocDuLac]

People like you are why we can't have adult conversations and discuss stuff using reason and facts. You look for any and every way to misinterpret everything instead of being able to discuss stuff like a reasonable adult. Because you can't interpret the language as it was spoken and intended doesn't obligate me to buy into your PC silliness or only speak Newspeak. I don't play that sort of mindless silly bs.

I am absolutely sure that Christ never bought into PC silliness or spoke Newspeak. And his message was definitely not mindless silly bs.

But I really do not think he would have said "The inmates are trying to get control of the asylum" even in a parable.

But maybe I am wrong...

 

[Irish2155]

He had a point aside from calling Bishop racist for using a clearly non racially intended figure of speech??? Funny, I have no idea how it could have gotten lost,....

Egg shells. Be careful...

Any and everything can be and will be twisted and turned as racist.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

He had a point aside from strongly implying Bishop is racist for using a clearly non racially intended figure of speech??? Funny, I have no idea how it could have gotten lost,....

I am not condoning calling Bishop a racist.

Yes, ACamp, the guy had a point aside from that, specifically that we might want to think about our comments and their context before posting.

And my follow-on point was that when we do think before posting, we should think in a manner consistent with Notre Dame values.

I see no problem at all, in a Notre Dame context, of asking people to consider Christ in their actions.

Christ is not PC silliness.

 

[BCSorBust]

I felt that I read something that came across as racist. It was not my intention to call Bishop racist but simply to point out that the comment came across as such. For many years, I have never spoke up about any of this and now I feel it's my duty as a person who identifies as Catholic, who comes from white privilege, and a physician who has taken oaths to help people to call out things when I see it. I apologize for offending Bishop. I also feel your reactions where much more severe than my initial comment and prevented a conversation which is what I was accused of doing. My whole point was to call out the comment as something that shouldn't be said - not that he can't say it - and that maybe when people do so now we shouldn't be reactionary but consider how others may feel by what we said. Also the book relating said comment to it's racial and socioeconomic underpinings is good and I believe explains why I commented more than I can on a sports board.

 

[ACamp1900]

On a lighter note, OAN has to report on/cover this today,......

 

[Irish YJ]

Yeah, Reuters is the go to for me. They just report the facts, like journalists used to do.

They have a few writers that are biased, but if you spend time on Reuters, you know who they are. Overall, pretty decent.

if you think OAN is comparable in any way to CNN or MSNBC then simply you aren't listening

MSNBC is totally off the rails. Everything conservative is immoral, nazi, racist, etc.. The non stop pearl clutching and "if they do this, people will die" narrative is unhinged. The non-stop conspiracy BS during the collusion delusion was laughable. They have zero sense of unbiased reporting. At least Fox has several liberal personalities, and CNN has a few token conservatives, on their various shows. MSNBC doesn't even make the attempt.

I don't know much about OAN, but if you're defending MSNBC, you've pretty much planted your flag....

 

[JurDocDuLac]

I felt that I read something that came across as racist. It was not my intention to call Bishop racist but simply to point out that the comment came across as such. For many years, I have never spoke up about any of this and now I feel it's my duty as a person who identifies as Catholic, who comes from white privilege, and a physician who has taken oaths to help people to call out things when I see it. I apologize for offending Bishop. My whole point was to call out the comment as something that shouldn't be said - not that he can't say it - and that maybe when people do so now we shouldn't be reactionary but consider how others may feel by what we said. Also the book relating said comment to it's racial and socioeconomic underpinings is good and I believe explains why I commented more than I can on a sports board.

The Black Knights probably have an open football forum, but it would be incomprehensible to most fans that one could abstract the military values of generations from the cadets who play for West Point.

Of course someone from a military family would never call out a poster who he felt failed to reflect military values!

This is a sports board.
It is not affiliated in any way with ND the institution, or Catholicism.

However it is all about those who represent that institution.
And it likely does reflect respect for those representatives and their beliefs.

Remember that the next time the entire football team, after the game, goes over to join the student body in a song praising their institution´s direct link to the Mother of Christ.

Speak up if you need to BCSorBust, you have the right foundation.

 

[Irish YJ]

On a lighter note, OAN has to report on/cover this today,......

I just tried to go to their website on google and wouldn't come up. Guessing they're either getting a lot of traffic now, or maybe google blocked them lol.

 

[Rack Em]

Is JurDocDuLac the reincarnated version of Bogtrotter?

 

[NDRock]

Honest question as I’ve never watched OAN. If Gundy was wearing a FOX News shirt would that be racist too?

I'm sure some would think so. I have no idea what OAN is all about but if a huge part of your job is recruiting AA athletes, it's in your best interest to not alienate them. It really doesn't matter what we think, it matters what recruits and current players think. That may bother some but it's the truth.

 

[BeauBenken]

While that seemed to get a little heated, I'm going to allow this discussion because so long as we can keep it adult, it does bring a social element so many of you seem to mention and care about, the delicacy of choosing words or actions and the response to it, directly to our board.


So long as we are not trying to simply label anyone as racist, I do not think that calling out what might be perceived as offensive language is necessarily a bad thing. Have your discussion on whether it is or is not offensive, that is fine, but I will also point out that simply because you do not believe it is offensive or should be considered offensive does not mean people are not allowed to take offense to it. I say this to the same affect that just because someone says something that you may perceive as offensive, does not mean that they are automatically a bad person or that they should be judged for that one instance.


I encourage, as always, that you all feel free to have a respectful discussion and do not consider everything an opportunity to get upset and argue but rather an opportunity to try and learn another viewpoint and make yours known as well. Again, just be respectful! Let me know if you think anyone is failing to do that one simple rule!

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

1. Cancel culture sucks and destroys progress/ growth.

2. Too many of these kids have been conditioned their whole lives with the premises that, a) victimhood is virtuous and b) if you disagree with me, you are racist/ sexist/ homophobic, blah blah

3. I hope Hubbard gets drafted by the Pats and Kraft wears a MAGA hat to practice. Is he going to boycott? Sit out? Nope.

4. Most of us were taught on teams growing up to keep team issues/ problems internal, not play keyboard warrior and be a victim on social media.

5. Fun experiment: ask a college football team which shirt is more insensitive: A Fox News tshirt or a Karl Marx tshirt.

 

[NDRock]

1. Cancel culture sucks and destroys progress/ growth.

2. Too many of these kids have been conditioned their whole lives with the premises that, a) victimhood is virtuous and b) if you disagree with me, you are racist/ sexist/ homophobic, blah blah

3. I hope Hubbard gets drafted by the Pats and Kraft wears a MAGA hat to practice. Is he going to boycott? Sit out? Nope.

4. Most of us were taught on teams growing up to keep team issues/ problems internal, not play keyboard warrior and be a victim on social media.

5. Fun experiment: ask a college football team which shirt is more insensitive: A Fox News tshirt or a Karl Marx tshirt.

The thing is, Bob Kraft would never be that stupid to alienate his players and become a distraction. Gundy is not.

 

[Bishop2b5]

So why is it that wearing a Che or Marx or abortion rights t-shirt is OK, even though it offends lots of people on several levels, but a FOX, MAGA, or OAN t-shirt is a horrible crime against humanity? Neither is less or more offensive to those who oppose or support those things. Why are leftists, especially the young, so outraged about everything and easily triggered and offended?

If I see someone wearing a Che shirt, I just roll my eyes and think to myself that they're an uninformed nitwit trying to look cool. I don't cry about it and have a meltdown. Lots of people in this country need to grow up, toughen up, and realize that their opinion isn't special, their point of view isn't the only one, and start realizing that others are allowed to disagree with them.

 

[Henges24]

Is JurDocDuLac the reincarnated version of Bogtrotter?

Idk. But remember when people thought Sea Turtle might be Cack? Boy were we wrong.

 

[Bluto]

1. Cancel culture sucks and destroys progress/ growth.

2. Too many of these kids have been conditioned their whole lives with the premises that, a) victimhood is virtuous and b) if you disagree with me, you are racist/ sexist/ homophobic, blah blah

3. I hope Hubbard gets drafted by the Pats and Kraft wears a MAGA hat to practice. Is he going to boycott? Sit out? Nope.

4. Most of us were taught on teams growing up to keep team issues/ problems internal, not play keyboard warrior and be a victim on social media.

5. Fun experiment: ask a college football team which shirt is more insensitive: A Fox News tshirt or a Karl Marx tshirt.

Equating Fox News to one of the most important intellectuals in world history is pretty stupid.

 

[ACamp1900]

So why is it that wearing a Che or Marx or abortion rights t-shirt is OK, even though it offends lots of people on several levels, but a FOX, MAGA, or OAN t-shirt is a horrible crime against humanity? Neither is less or more offensive to those who oppose or support those things. Why are leftists, especially the young, so outraged about everything and easily triggered and offended?

If I see someone wearing a Che shirt, I just roll my eyes and think to myself that they're an uninformed nitwit trying to look cool. I don't cry about it and have a meltdown. Lots of people in this country need to grow up, toughen up, and realize that their opinion isn't special, their point of view isn't the only one, and start realizing that others are allowed to disagree with them.

I’ll hang up and listen,....

 

[Bishop2b5]

Idk. But remember when people thought Sea Turtle might be Cack? Boy were we wrong.

When Sea Turtle came onboard, I thought he might be Praetorian at first.

 

[ACamp1900]

Who dafaq is Seaturtle????

 

[Henges24]

When Sea Turtle came onboard, I thought he might be Praetorian at first.

Maybe that's who it was... :shrug:

Who dafaq is Seaturtle????

If you know, YOU know.

 

[ACamp1900]

Maybe that's who it was... :shrug:



If you know, YOU know.

Bro,..... I know this, I don’t know shit...

 

[Irish YJ]

Who dafaq is Seaturtle????

Sea turtles, sometimes called marine turtles, are reptiles of the order Testudines and of the suborder Cryptodira

 

[Bluto]

Sea turtles, sometimes called marine turtles, are reptiles of the order Testudines and of the suborder Cryptodira

Fake news.

 

[Irish YJ]

Equating Fox News to one of the most important intellectuals in world history is pretty stupid.

Bad ideas from smart people (intellectuals) are still bad ideas

The only Marxists countries remaining right now are what, China, N. Korea, Cuba, etc.. right? Success!!!!!