ISIS prayer

[Wingman Ray]

My wife is from Ukraine and her sister is very much involved with missions. Two days ago, she received word from Ukrainian Missionaries in Syria that ISIS had taken another town, had rounded up all the Christians, and were killing the children who would not renounce their faith in Jesus. They werent killing the parents, just the kids, but were doing it in front of the parents. Terrible monsters these people. God must have a special place reserved for them in hell.

Just asking for your prayers my brothers. While we live in a very privileged and protected county, we live in a very terrible world.

 

[irishnd31]

Prayers out. These animals must be destroyed at all costs. This is not a middle East problem, it is a world problem.

 

[Cali_domer]

Absolutely, Prayers are sent...

 

[kmoose]

My wife is from Ukraine and her sister is very much involved with missions. Two days ago, she received word from Ukrainian Missionaries in Syria that ISIS had taken another town, had rounded up all the Christians, and were killing the children who would not renounce their faith in Jesus. They werent killing the parents, just the kids, but were doing it in front of the parents. Terrible monsters these people. God must have a special place reserved for them in hell.

Just asking for your prayers my brothers. While we live in a very privileged and protected county, we live in a very terrible world.

I will absolutely pray for those affected by the atrocities. But I think we would be intellectually dishonest to forget about the atrocities that Christians took part in, during the Crusades. What I pray for, mostly, is that the Muslim world realizes that these radicals are simply repeating the horrible mistakes that Christians have already made, and put an end to it sooner rather than later.

 

[Irish#1]

I will absolutely pray for those affected by the atrocities. But I think we would be intellectually dishonest to forget about the atrocities that Christians took part in, during the Crusades. What I pray for, mostly, is that the Muslim world realizes that these radicals are simply repeating the horrible mistakes that Christians have already made, and put an end to it sooner rather than later.

You have a point, but it's hard to compare the two scenarios. One occurred a long time ago, when people lived in something of a vacuum and in reality knew or understood very little about those from other areas.

WR, prayers sent.

 

[ACamp1900]

But I think we would be intellectually dishonest to forget about the atrocities that Christians took part in, during the Crusades.

 

[NDohio]

I will absolutely pray for those affected by the atrocities. But I think we would be intellectually dishonest to forget about the atrocities that Christians took part in, during the Crusades. What I pray for, mostly, is that the Muslim world realizes that these radicals are simply repeating the horrible mistakes that Christians have already made, and put an end to it sooner rather than later.

If you want to get involved into [another] argument with people on this board over this particular point, I think it would be best if you took this to a different thread.

This is a pretty personal situation for Wingman and I don't think th is is the place for that discussion.

Prayers Wingman - please keep us posted on how things are going for your family over there.

 

[Cali_domer]

If you want to get involved into [another] argument with people on this board over this particular point, I think it would be best if you took this to a different thread.

This is a pretty personal situation for Wingman and I don't think th is is the place for that discussion.

Prayers Wingman - please keep us posted on how things are going for your family over there.

Thank you

 

[woolybug25]

If you want to get involved into [another] argument with people on this board over this particular point, I think it would be best if you took this to a different thread.

This is a pretty personal situation for Wingman and I don't think th is is the place for that discussion.

Prayers Wingman - please keep us posted on how things are going for your family over there.

No offense, but how is this personal? His wife is involved with missions and someone she knows told her about ISIS killing christians in a village. Nobody he knew was rounded up or were directly effected.

 

[palinurus]

Definitely, prayers for the victims of these monsters, and their families.

 

[kmoose]

If you want to get involved into [another] argument with people on this board over this particular point, I think it would be best if you took this to a different thread.

This is a pretty personal situation for Wingman and I don't think th is is the place for that discussion.

Prayers Wingman - please keep us posted on how things are going for your family over there.

There was no argument. Just a statement of opinion. While people are throwing out words like "monsters" and "animals" (characterizations that I don't disagree with), it would be wise to remember that there is a history of that in Christianity as well. It's just about keeping it in perspective. This is not new behavior in the history of man; it's just new players in the game.

 

[palinurus]

There was no argument. Just a statement of opinion. While people are throwing out words like "monsters" and "animals" (characterizations that I don't disagree with), it would be wise to remember that there is a history of that in Christianity as well. It's just about keeping it in perspective. This is not new behavior in the history of man; it's just new players in the game.

This is moral relatvism and bad history, as well as irrevelant to this thread. In my opinion, it belongs elsewhere.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I will absolutely pray for those affected by the atrocities. But I think we would be intellectually dishonest to forget about the atrocities that Christians took part in, during the Crusades. What I pray for, mostly, is that the Muslim world realizes that these radicals are simply repeating the horrible mistakes that Christians have already made, and put an end to it sooner rather than later.

Kmoose, just curious: what do you know of the Crusades? Particularly, what was the catalyst for their occurrence and what occurred? And of what value does their memory serve when we see modern day atrocities?

As to these incidents: prayers sent. I'm guessing this simply validates many people's views that all religion is evil.

 

[kmoose]

This is moral relatvism and bad history, as well as irrevelant to this thread. In my opinion, it belongs elsewhere.

Take it for what it is worth...... if it means nothing to you, then don't take anything from it. But maybe the concept has some worth to someone else........

I'm not trying to change anyone's ideas about anything on this topic.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

I think rather than looking back to the crusades it would be more useful to consider ISIS probably would not exist and certainly would not be relevant if not for the disastorous US war in Iraq and the shortsighted support of Syrian opposition of Assad. Saddam and Assad may be awful people but both were/are secular and toppling/opposing them and creating fertile ground for fundamentalist was an absolute disaster of a policy.

 

[kmoose]

Kmoose, just curious: what do you know of the Crusades? Particularly, what was the catalyst for their occurrence and what occurred? And of what value does their memory serve when we see modern day atrocities?

As to these incidents: prayers sent. I'm guessing this simply validates many people's views that all religion is evil.

Honestly, I am pretty ignorant of the particulars. But I do know that it is pretty well documented that Christians persecuted many who refused to convert to Christianity. The value, I suppose, is in understanding that a religion that participates in such atrocities doesn't have to be "wiped off the face of the earth". It's followers CAN become enlightened, and change their ways. And, even if it is just a relative handful of fringe zealots, the rest of the religion's adherents can stand up and say, "Enough!"

I don't know why people have a problem with the statement that I made.......... is there something false about it? Did Christians NOT persecute, kill, and sack entire towns or groups of people who refused to convert to Christianity? I didn't condemn Christians because of it. I didn't excuse the behavior of ISIS because of it. I just suggested that we should maintain perspective on the situation.

 

[NDohio]

No offense, but how is this personal? His wife is involved with missions and someone she knows told her about ISIS killing christians in a village. Nobody he knew was rounded up or were directly effected.

Not speaking for him, but this seems to be hitting pretty close to home for him. It's very near where his family lives. I am guessing he posted this because it is too close for comfort.

 

[Wingman Ray]

No offense, but how is this personal? His wife is involved with missions and someone she knows told her about ISIS killing christians in a village. Nobody he knew was rounded up or were directly effected.

Actually it was my wife sister, Irishka, who lives in Ukraine and told my wife. Irishka's friends are missionaries from Ukraine doing God's work in Syria.

Is it my family? No. Is it personal or should be to anyone who has any Christian faith? Of course.

But that probably just nailed it on the head right Wooly?

But I regress. This isnt about our personal differences, it is about kids being executed while their parents are forced to watch them being killed. If that doesnt touch you as a person, I dont know what would.

Oh yeah, a football game....

 

[Irish#1]

I think rather than looking back to the crusades it would be more useful to consider ISIS probably would not exist and certainly would not be relevant if not for the disastorous US war in Iraq and the shortsighted support of Syrian opposition of Assad. Saddam and Assad may be awful people but both were/are secular and toppling/opposing them and creating fertile ground for fundamentalist was an absolute disaster of a policy.

Here we go!

 

[Irishnuke]

It's amazing that some can take a legitimate prayer request and turn it into a rant about something that happened nearly a thousand years ago. What a dickhead.

 

[Irishnuke]

I think rather than looking back to the crusades it would be more useful to consider ISIS probably would not exist and certainly would not be relevant if not for the disastorous US war in Iraq and the shortsighted support of Syrian opposition of Assad. Saddam and Assad may be awful people but both were/are secular and toppling/opposing them and creating fertile ground for fundamentalist was an absolute disaster of a policy.

He asked for a simple prayer request and you give him this bullshit.

 

[NDohio]

Honestly, I am pretty ignorant of the particulars. But I do know that it is pretty well documented that Christians persecuted many who refused to convert to Christianity. The value, I suppose, is in understanding that a religion that participates in such atrocities doesn't have to be "wiped off the face of the earth". It's followers CAN become enlightened, and change their ways. And, even if it is just a relative handful of fringe zealots, the rest of the religion's adherents can stand up and say, "Enough!"

I don't know why people have a problem with the statement that I made.......... is there something false about it? Did Christians NOT persecute, kill, and sack entire towns or groups of people who refused to convert to Christianity? I didn't condemn Christians because of it. I didn't excuse the behavior of ISIS because of it. I just suggested that we should maintain perspective on the situation.

I just didn't think it wasn't the right place for the statement.

A poster comes on and asks for prayers and explains a situation that is very close to one of his family members. IMO this thread should be about offering support/prayer.

I am sorry I even commented other than to offer my prayers to Wingman and his family...

 

[Henges24]

Sorry I can't but laugh at the same people falling for the same trolls over and over again.

Come on guys.

But terrible situation and prayers sent.


Edit: Took those last sentences out because I have to drive home and don't want to be struck down for what I said on my way home.

 

[woolybug25]

Actually it was my wife sister, Irishka, who lives in Ukraine and told my wife. Irishka's friends are missionaries from Ukraine doing God's work in Syria.

Is it my family? No. Is it personal or should be to anyone who has any Christian faith? Of course.

But that probably just nailed it on the head right Wooly?

But I regress. This isnt about our personal differences, it is about kids being executed while their parents are forced to watch them being killed. If that doesnt touch you as a person, I dont know what would.

Oh yeah, a football game....

I'm not trying to offend you, man. But let's be honest with each other here. Your wife and her sister (it was her friend in the first post, but I digress) do mission work in a country with ISIS in it. Here are my points.

- First, good on her. They are fighting the good fight. No one is trying to discredit their work.
- They weren't there at the time of this incident nor directly effected.
- ISIS commits horrendous atrocities daily in Syria, they are not all "personal" to you. At least not to the point where people should be offended by rational discussion that you brought as a topic, to a football board.

Again... no offense, it's just the reality. It doesn't take anything away from the good work your wife does.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

I will pray.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'm not sure what's sillier, killing people because god told you to, or going to a place as a missionary where said lunatics are because your god told you to.

 

[Wingman Ray]

I'm not trying to offend you, man. But let's be honest with each other here. Your wife and her sister (it was her friend in the first post, but I digress) do mission work in a country with ISIS in it. Here are my points.

- First, good on her. They are fighting the good fight. No one is trying to discredit their work.
- They weren't there at the time of this incident nor directly effected.
- ISIS commits horrendous atrocities daily in Syria, they are not all "personal" to you. At least not to the point where people should be offended by rational discussion that you brought as a topic, to a football board.

Again... no offense, it's just the reality. It doesn't take anything away from the good work your wife does.

1) it was placed in the non football part of the board, not the football board. I thought that was what it was for

2) It was my sister in law's high school friends that are the missionaries in Syria. You are right, not directly my family but still personal to her which means it is personal to my wife which means it is personal to me.

3) There is no rational discussions when it comes to executing children while their parents are forced to watch

 

[Wingman Ray]

I'm not sure what's sillier, going to a place as a missionary where said lunatics are because your god told you to.

Because that is EXACTLY what the Great Commission is. To go to places where The Word isnt known and teach them of Jesus. Our watered down American Christian churches just dont answer the call and dont teach its members to as well because they are too busy working on bringing in more revenue and adding on to their existing multi million dollar complex.

 

[phgreek]

I'm not sure what's sillier, killing people because god told you to, or going to a place as a missionary where said lunatics are because your god told you to.

...dude, guy asked for a prayer, and you insult those we come here to pray for...thats a special level of dickheadedness. What the hell is your problem?

I get it, belief in god is not your thing...good for you. This is not a politics thread, and the tinniest shred of common decency and decorum would tell you this is not the place for your compulsion to attack faith and the faithful...be gone.

and BTW...The comparison you make is beyond excusable...WTF is wrong with you?

 

[Circa]

No offense, but how is this personal? His wife is involved with missions and someone she knows told her about ISIS killing christians in a village. Nobody he knew was rounded up or were directly effected.

Exactly. Any real news on the topic?
Prays for those affected.