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In an effort to minimize the surfing through the '2013 fall camp' thread for injuries, I'm starting this thread so users can easily locate and update current ND football injuries.

I'm going off of the top of my head, so please feel free to add:

Tony Springman - Knee - Out for season
Doug Randolph - Shoulder surgery - out for 2013
Danny Spond - Done with football for good - medical issue
Nick Baratti - Shoulder surgery - out for 2013
Chase Hounshell - Shoulder - out for 2013
 
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So we're effectively south of 80 scholarship players for the season if Springmann's MRI is bad. And it's not even week 1. Sheesh.

Add Watt to the list, although hopefully his back injury or whatever is minor.
 

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Think Watt has a minor concussion. Should be fine. Hanrattty is out w/ something minor I think, Daniel Smith too. What's w/ McDaniel - ego?
 
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Think Watt has a minor concussion. Should be fine. Hanrattty is out w/ something minor I think, Daniel Smith too. What's w/ McDaniel - ego?

It was a joke about the RB sled drill from the other day. I'm surprised that one went over your head!
 

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It was a joke about the RB sled drill from the other day. I'm surprised that one went over your head!

He wasn't the only one that didn't "get it".

It was a bad "play call" by a coach. The player hit the hole called to the best of his ability. The Bus in his prime wasn't going to do any better.

Fix the list.
 
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I got neg-repped for throwing the 'Cam McDaniel - injured ego - Day to day' joke in the injury list, lol.
 
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I got neg-repped for throwing the 'injured ego' joke in the injury list, lol.

Fear not. In the words of Douglas Adams, "Don't Panic." Take solace in this:

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Carry on. Ignore the humorless huddled masses!!!
 

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I got neg-repped for throwing the 'Cam McDaniel - injured ego - Day to day' joke in the injury list, lol.

That's pretty ridiculous. I found it humorous, especially since we weren't told why he missed practice (right?). Some positive reps coming your way to combat those without a sense of humor.
 
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Not to make this dramatic, and I'm not going to say who it was, but it wasn't BGIF. Just wanted to clear that up because his post may have lead some to believe it was him.

Anyways, I'll try to keep the OP updated but if you could all help by posting injury news as they come in that would be super.
 

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Anybody else think it is a bit strange the situation with Randolph? Kelly (paraphrasing) said it was due to a pre-existing condition and they went ahead and did the surgery now, but, alas, he's out for the year. I wonder if the staff and/or Randolph knew about it 1, 2, 5, or 7 months ago? If so, why not preform the surgery then? Why wait until the eve of the season to do the surgery? Perhaps they did know and were trying to avoid surgery through rehab but didn't succeed? I'm not claiming some conspiracy...just found it kinda strange.

Also, I'm no Orthopedist, but ND has now lost at least 4 guys for the season the past 2 seasons due to shoulder injuries in the offseason (at least 3 of which due to labrums). I know it's particularly tough to get medical info on college players, but in the pros, it's a different story-- we are able to get all kinds of medical information about players. Does this seem high? I could be wrong, but I don't seem to recall hearing about many guys in the pros missing an entire season with shoulder problems...particularly when they occur in the offseason. I have heard, though, about shoulder, chest, and arm injuries occurring to some players and them playing through it, or postponing surgery until the offseason. Is what happened at ND just bad luck or coincidental? Is BK just being protective of his kids (not necessarily a bad thing)?

A quick search online of "pro football players torn labrums" brought up results of Jared Allen, Aldon Smith, Blaine Gabbert, Dion Jordan, and even Percy Harvin (hip labrum). These guys seemed to have waited to have surgery or seem to be coming back sooner than Collinsworth and Hounshell. Again, I don't know a ton about the human shoulder, but I guess what I'm asking is-- is what is going on at ND with the shoulder injuries typical of other programs?
 

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Anybody else think it is a bit strange the situation with Randolph? Kelly (paraphrasing) said it was due to a pre-existing condition and they went ahead and did the surgery now, but, alas, he's out for the year. I wonder if the staff and/or Randolph knew about it 1, 2, 5, or 7 months ago? If so, why not preform the surgery then? Why wait until the eve of the season to do the surgery? Perhaps they did know and were trying to avoid surgery through rehab but didn't succeed? I'm not claiming some conspiracy...just found it kinda strange.

Also, I'm no Orthopedist, but ND has now lost at least 4 guys for the season the past 2 seasons due to shoulder injuries in the offseason (at least 3 of which due to labrums). I know it's particularly tough to get medical info on college players, but in the pros, it's a different story-- we are able to get all kinds of medical information about players. Does this seem high? I could be wrong, but I don't seem to recall hearing about many guys in the pros missing an entire season with shoulder problems...particularly when they occur in the offseason. I have heard, though, about shoulder, chest, and arm injuries occurring to some players and them playing through it, or postponing surgery until the offseason. Is what happened at ND just bad luck or coincidental? Is BK just being protective of his kids (not necessarily a bad thing)?

A quick search online of "pro football players torn labrums" brought up results of Jared Allen, Aldon Smith, Blaine Gabbert, Dion Jordan, and even Percy Harvin (hip labrum). These guys seemed to have waited to have surgery or seem to be coming back sooner than Collinsworth and Hounshell. Again, I don't know a ton about the human shoulder, but I guess what I'm asking is-- is what is going on at ND with the shoulder injuries typical of other programs?

For an average person the typical rehab time for a torn shoulder labrum is about 4 months including rehab in that time frame. I should have gotten work done on mine 3 or 4 years ago, and I am seriously looking into surgery soon because throwing a football or baseball or holding anything over my head cause some serious pain and clicking.

I believe you are on to something about Kelly protecting his players, that certainly sounds like a possibility. Also, with these guys having redshirt years available it also makes sense for the program and eligibility, where as the players in the NFL are out there making their living.
 

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I believe you are on to something about Kelly protecting his players, that certainly sounds like a possibility. Also, with these guys having redshirt years available it also makes sense for the program and eligibility, where as the players in the NFL are out there making their living.

Wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what's happening here.
I dislocated my shoulder (which results in a torn labrum) in high school football and was back on the field in three weeks, but did so knowing I had a 90+% likelihood of dislocating it again. (Once you pop...)
My alternative was surgery, with a three-month recovery period. I was a senior and knew my football career would be ending in three months, so I took my chances. I was fine, I just did a lot of shoulder-strengthening exercises and wore a big wrap. But it popped out again about a year later when I reached out to touch the wall while swimming laps (that's how easy it can come out a second time) and I wound up having surgery to repair it, with no problems in more than a decade since.
In other words, you can play with a torn labrum. NFL players do and get surgery after the season. Probably upper-class college starters who are playing for playing for draft position do, too. If your career's on the line, I see why people do it. But it's hard to be 100% and to focus on a good rehab (which is really important) and the odds are high you'll need surgery eventually regardless.
The players we've had tear a labrum and miss a season have generally been younger guys with lots of eligibility remaining. It seems wiser to get them healthy, so they're really 100% next year, than to chance it and risk re-injury.
 

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I'm pretty sure BJax played with some sort of shoulder injury (dislocated) from the Oklahoma game all the way thru the Natty last year.

playing hurt a lot differnet than playing injured...bad asses do the former (BJax) and no one should ever do the latter.
 

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I'm pretty sure BJax played with some sort of shoulder injury (dislocated) from the Oklahoma game all the way thru the Natty last year.

playing hurt a lot differnet than playing injured...bad asses do the former (BJax) and no one should ever do the latter.

He actually had it since that spring. Torn glenoid labrum in his right shoulder that would cause his shoulder to pop out quite frequently. Quite a few times last season, there would be a live tweet from ISD during a game about Jackson getting looked at by the trainers. Without a doubt it was probably due to his shoulder popping out.
 

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I'm pretty sure BJax played with some sort of shoulder injury (dislocated) from the Oklahoma game all the way thru the Natty last year.

playing hurt a lot differnet than playing injured...bad asses do the former (BJax) and no one should ever do the latter.

That's right. Forgot about that. He had surgery after the season and was limited in spring ball, right?
There's a whole spectrum of "popping out" your shoulder, from a subluxe, which is a sort of in-and-out that feels like a stinger (can't move your arm for a minute) but goes away pretty quick to a separation to a full dislocation, which would almost certainly render you incapacitated for the rest of the game. If Jackson was being tended to and going back in he was probably subluxing.
 

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Dan Fox had something with his shoulder too. Not sure what it was but I remember Bennett & Fox always wore the same thing on their arms last year

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Also I think their just shutting down Randolph because maybe he was gonna RS anyways? I saw him in a pic with full pads on so if they knew he had a injury they must of thought if they needed him he could play through it or if they didn't just have surgery now
 
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I got neg-repped for throwing the 'Cam McDaniel - injured ego - Day to day' joke in the injury list, lol.

Who's the douche that did that?

What a chump. Please name him so I can neg rep his *** for being A MORON
 
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Updated to add Springman/Stanley and take Hanratty off.


Anything else?
 

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Doug Randolph - Shoulder surgery - out for 2013
Nick Baratti - Shoulder surgery - out for 2013
Chase Hounshell - Shoulder - out for 2013

Remember a few years ago when everyone had hamstring disease? Looks like it's spread to the shoulder.
 
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