Injuries

[okanst07]

First of all I think Brian Kelly and the staff have done an amazing coaching job this year. 10-1 with these injuries is impressive. we've been over who is out and how they've coached up others to step in.

My question/concern is WHY are we getting so many injuries. This is 2 years in a row now. Yes there are always freak injuries, and bad luck but for me there comes a time when you have to question what YOU are doing. I read a post from someone in another thread about the shoes causing high ankle sprains etc. For me it is TOO many injuries to be a coincidence. How are they being trained? Do they get the proper rest/recovery period after games? I don't know enough of these things but I think ND should be looking within.

I've coached other sports and had a rash of injuries. At a certain point we looked within and in some cases we were over training. In others we were putting a heavy load on certain muscle groups. Turf v grass is a big difference.

What does everyone think regarding our injury situation?

 

[phork]

Too many hamstring injuries is one thing and there is a cause (Hello Weis), too many freak injuries is voodoo. Jones got rolled up on blew out knee. Zaire freak tackle broke ankle. Tranquil jumping up and celebrating blow out knee..

Some bad voodoo someone put on us I think.

 

[GowerND11]

I agree it's definitely something that should be looked at. If we look at at least 3 injuries they, to me, come under the freak injury column. Zaire, Jones, and Tranquill are those injuries.

After that, Folston, JO, and KVR come very close to also being in that category.

Prosise had a concussion against Pitt, chalk that up to football. Hard to train for that. His high ankle sprain could be equipment related. I can't picture the play in my head currently to remember how it happened. That one could also be chalked up to football. Would need video to give an honest opinion.

Going back to Folston, one could make the case that some proper strength training of the leg could help prevent his injury as well. I say it's an unfortunate football injury, but I can see the other side of it.

Cage has a concussion, another one that is a price to pay with football. Hard to prevent/train for.

I can't recall what exactly happened to Smythe to cause his injuries to the knee and shoulder. We have seen an awful lot of shoulder injuries at Notre Dame in recent years. Maybe the staff should look to see what could be causing that. Could be too much weight on the shoulders when lifting (military press for example), could be undertraining them too.

In relation to the shoulder injuries, we had a rash of hamstring injuries early on in CBK's regime/late Weis era, but they got sorted out after a couple seasons. Hopefully the same happens with the shoulders.

 

[EifertPower]

A lot of these are freak injuries, but i think some of them have to do with the extreme wear and tear we force upon these players because we can't put a team away and every game goes down to the wire.

That's why the KVR injury is so frustrating. In no way, should we have to have him on the field in a close game with under 2 minutes left and feeling like he has to make a big-time tackle. If we were up 20 points then he's not even in the game. But because we kept the game close, he had to play that final series.

Let's say Fuller doesn't drop that TD then at 26-9 when can get our starters some rest.

I also believe the Durham Smythe injury was on the one of the final plays of the miraculous UVA win.

I think 1-2 more injuries came late in games where we should have put the opponent away and had our second string in.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

A lot of these are freak injuries, but i think some of them have to do with the extreme wear and tear we force upon these players because we can't put a team away and every game goes down to the wire.

That's why the KVR injury is so frustrating. In no way, should we have to have him on the field in a close game with under 2 minutes left and feeling like he has to make a big-time tackle. If we were up 20 points then he's not even in the game. But because we kept the game close, he had to play that final series.

Let's say Fuller doesn't drop that TD then at 26-9 when can get our starters some rest.

I also believe the Durham Smythe injury was on the one of the final plays of the miraculous UVA win.

I think 1-2 more injuries came late in games where we should have put the opponent away and had our second string in.

I think Smythe hurt his knee on the first TD of the game. Then hurt his shoulder on the last drive.


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[phillyirish]

Its because we don't use that intravenous injury prevention programs that the SEC uses.

 

[Grahambo]

I remember someone, somewhere, some time ago mention how the belief these days is athletes train too much which causes over exertion or something like that. No idea how true it is but was interesting.

 

[IrishLax]

I remember someone, somewhere, some time ago mention how the belief these days is athletes train too much which causes over exertion or something like that. No idea how true it is but was interesting.

There's a lot of science to sort of back that up. You have to manage stress on your body. Which is where PEDs for recovery make sure a big difference.

 

[stlnd01]

A lot of these are freak injuries, but i think some of them have to do with the extreme wear and tear we force upon these players because we can't put a team away and every game goes down to the wire.

Wouldn't make too much of it but I think there's something to this. Especially with guys like Prosise who were clearly wearing down, and maybe some guys playing through minor injuries we don't know about and then get hurt. It's simple math but the more snaps you play the more likely you are to get hurt.
Related: For all our supposed depth, it feels like some players barely ever leave the field. Like KVR. How many meaningful snaps did he sit all season? We rotate D linemen, and our offensive formations. But a lot of guys are out there all the time (cough, Joe Schmidt). Of course it's a trade off to sit starters, but never sitting them does increase risk of injury.

 

[Irishman77]

Maybe there is something to mike franks Stanford steroid conspiracy theory...

 

[FearTheBeard]

Need to get our guys on that deer antler spray

 

[Grahambo]

Maybe there is something to mike franks Stanford steroid conspiracy theory...

He's pretty much convinced of it. ha

 

[zelezo vlk]

Maybe there is something to mike franks Stanford steroid conspiracy theory...

He's not the first guy I've heard bring it up.

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[Cackalacky]

I have thought that maybe there is something to the boys working out all the time and not properly fueling their bodies. I guess my question is can they make gains in muscle mass and strength by eating training table food (calories basically) or are they able to have supplements provided by the school (eg protein powders, superfood powder, vitamins, etc.)

 

[Domina Nostra]

I sometimes wonder if its the emphasis on recruiting faster guys, and then trying to bulk them up. It's like having your cake and eating it too. There are only so many guys who are really fast, only so many guys who are really huge, and very, very few who are both.

 

[dublinirish]

He's pretty much convinced of it. ha

aha yeah he drops the steroids in every time he mentions the Trees.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Maybe there is something to mike franks Stanford steroid conspiracy theory...

He's pretty much convinced of it. ha

If only investigative reporter Mike Camarda had time to do a statistical comparison of Stanford's season-ending injuries vs. an average FBS team...

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

I have thought that maybe there is something to the boys working out all the time and not properly fueling their bodies. I guess my question is can they make gains in muscle mass and strength by eating training table food (calories basically) or are they able to have supplements provided by the school (eg protein powders, superfood powder, vitamins, etc.)

Agreed.

I'm a high School strength coach, I sort of fight this, but it became painfully obvious to me in maybe episode 2 or 3 of ' A Season With' when Kizer was up till like 3 in the morning and the had a test at 7am? or something of the sorts. That is HORRIBLE in terms of the recovery process, and of course we don't know the in season training protocol but i'm on Koons train and i am not impressed with Longo. Mickey Marotti is the best strength coach in the country in my opinion. His injury prevention is amazing and his dude's are strong. There are the obvious freak injuries as mentioned above, but as a whole. We've got issues in the physical preparation department

 

[Grahambo]

If only investigative reporter Mike Camarda had time to do a statistical comparison of Stanford's season-ending injuries vs. an average FBS team...

He's too busy studying up lacrosse or something like that...

 

[Cackalacky]

Haha. That should absolutely happen.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

If only investigative reporter Mike Camarda had time to do a statistical comparison of Stanford's season-ending injuries vs. an average FBS team...

I think that Camarda fellow has a big-time piece coming later today, but not about injuries.

 

[dad4aa]

I would like to see a list of the "non-freak" injuries to see if there is an over abundance of these or it just appears that way because of all the other injuries we have dealt with. If we take out all of the concussions (unfortunate result for football that I don't believe you can train to prevent) and the injuries like the ones mentioned earlier (Zaire, Jones, Tranquill, etc), how many injuries have we had and how does it compare to other programs that play a strong schedule?

 

[ulukinatme]

My question/concern is WHY are we getting so many injuries. This is 2 years in a row now.

It's really been the last 3 years. In 2013 we didn't have Tuitt and Nix for considerable periods at the end. Grace got the leg break. Davaris Daniels had some kind of issues that limited him quite a bit, groin injury I think (Probably trainer related). We had issues at Safety, but I don't think it was injury related. It wasn't as many season ending injuries, and not all of them happened early in the year, but they had a big impact on how we finished the season if I recall.

 

[Grahambo]

I think that Camarda fellow has a big-time piece coming later today, but not about injuries.

He's such a slacker.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I remember someone, somewhere, some time ago mention how the belief these days is athletes train too much which causes over exertion or something like that. No idea how true it is but was interesting.

A lot of truth in the amount of training these athletes go through. Found this article on several college teams and the tools they use to monitor each athlete. Was wondering if anyone knows if ND uses the same type of system to track their players. If not, maybe they should look in to it due to the unreal amount of injuries they have to deal with each year. At this point, it couldn't hurt.

How Alabama is so successful with injury recovery and prevention | AL.com

 

[woolybug25]

A lot of truth in the amount of training these athletes go through. Found this article on Bama and the tools they use to monitor each athlete. Was wondering if anyone knows if ND uses the same type of system to track their players. If not, maybe they should look in to it due to the unreal amount of injuries they have to deal with each year. At this point, it couldn't hurt.

How Alabama is so successful with injury recovery and prevention | AL.com

This is the kind of shat that makes us love you.

 

[T Town Tommy]

This is the kind of shat that makes us love you.

LOL... there are several other teams that use that system. Maybe I should have left out the Bama part. But the Irish injuries get old. Even for a Bama fan. I really feel your pain wooly. And your buddy koon... just trying to help his "fire Longo crusade."

 

[Irish YJ]

LOL... there are several other teams that use that system. Maybe I should have left out the Bama part. But the Irish injuries get old. Even for a Bama fan. I really feel your pain wooly. And your buddy koon... just trying to help his "fire Longo crusade."

Looking for a job 3T...???? Trade in that Roll Tide for ....Irish Let's Get Pumped Up?