Immigration

[Fbolt]

Yes I am angry that a demagogue had captured what was once a sensible party and has given a voice to clowns who outright refuse to listen to widely accepted data because it doesn't fit their bullshit view.
BS.
So don't be a snowflake. If N_D_Fighting_Irish had the data to support his position, he'd come up with it.

Snowflake? Please. Spare me the demeaning and juvenile BS.

 

[N_D_Fighting_Irish]

Yes I am angry that a demagogue had captured what was once a sensible party and has given a voice to clowns who outright refuse to listen to widely accepted data because it doesn't fit their bullshit view.

So don't be a snowflake. If N_D_Fighting_Irish had the data to support his position, he'd come up with it.

At least we agree on Obama.

No data will convince you. Anyone who has read any history will understand that a reckoning is coming.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Get off the pedestal.

If people want to be clueless I'll continue to be the smartest guy in the room.

Since you're the smartest man on the Internet who's here to educate us all, please tell us how you determine the contribution of all 12 million illegal immigrants pay to social security and medicare.

Like where did that figure come from? The Social Security Adminstration's own reports.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/pdf_notes/note151.pdf

we estimate that earnings by unauthorized immigrants result in a net positive effect on Social Security financial status generally, and that this effect contributed roughly $12 billion to the cash flow of the program for 2010. We estimate that future years will experience a continuation of this positive impact on the trust funds.

Then you can guess what 12,000,000 people pay in sales, property, and usage taxes...it's yuge. Some say another $12 billion in state and local taxes. The conservative Heritage Foundation pegs their tax contribution at a whopping $17.6 billion annually.

As far as bullshit views are concerned, aren't you the one holding the opinion that if we removed all 12 million illegal immigrants (not realistic) the US economy would collapse?

"collapse" isn't a term I've used. But yes if you removed all 12 million people you'd subtract the population of Ohio from the US economy. The purchasing power is enormous, the labor markets would be thrown into disarray, and it would amount to the nation's first intentional recession. This isn't an opinion I pulled out of thin air, you just have to not be the dumbest guy in the room to see it.

 

[Buster Bluth]

At least we agree on Obama.

No data will convince you. Anyone who has read any history will understand that a reckoning is coming.

You haven't presented any so how would you know.

"if only you read the history" LOLOL please enlighten me Fighting Irish.

 

[Legacy]

Trump would undo decades (Displace Persons Act, 1948 and Refugee Relief Act, 1953, etc) of Congressional legislation on refugees. A refugee is defined as "any person who is outside his or her country of residence or nationality, or without nationality, and is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of, that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion."

Dwight D. Eisenhower's Statement by the President Upon Signing the Refugee Relief Act of 1953.
August 7, 1953

Justice Dept. again asks Supreme Court to allow broad enforcement of travel ban

The Justice Department on Monday asked the Supreme Court to intervene quickly so that officials could broadly enforce President Trump’s travel ban and block even refugees with formal assurances from a resettlement agency from entering the United States.

The government's argument is:

“The absence of a formal connection between a resettlement agency and a refugee subject to an assurance stands in stark contrast to the sort of relationships this Court identified as sufficient in its June 26 stay ruling,” Wall wrote in his filing to the Supreme Court. “Unlike students who have been admitted to study at an American university, workers who have accepted jobs at an American company, and lecturers who come to speak to an American audience, refugees do not have any freestanding connection to resettlement agencies, separate and apart from the refugee-admissions process itself, by virtue of the agencies’ assurance agreement with the government.”

 

[Legacy]

Democratic leaders say they have reached agreement with Trump to 'enshrine the protections of DACA into law' (LA Times)

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This Is What It Looks Like When the President Asks People to Snitch on Their Neighbors by <a href="https://twitter.com/TooMuchMe?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TooMuchMe</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/_grendan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@_grendan</a> <a href="https://t.co/WVJoJo03WG">https://t.co/WVJoJo03WG</a></p>— Special Projects (@SpecialProjects) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpecialProjects/status/915224874188247041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[zelezo vlk]

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Somebody turned you in?

 

[Legacy]

Beloved WV father, soccer coach detained for deportation (Charleston Gazette-Mail)

 

[Legacy]

FROM AWAY: Immigrants, migrants and other newcomers from foreign lands often endure long and arduous journeys on their paths to Maine. (Portland (Maine) Press Herald)

BEHIND THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE: HUMAN STORIES

Mwange Mulonda, a 20-year-old native of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, is shown moments after being sworn in as a naturalized citizen in Portland in March 2016.

Immigration brought us together, and it tears us apart.
It is the foundation of our state and our country, a timeless process of people moving from one part of the world to another.

It also is the spark of angry protests, a wedge that divides families and neighbors, the heat of fiery political rallies and the focus of legislative clashes in Maine and nationwide.

Here are the stories of 12 people who came to Maine from away.

Some are permanent immigrants, such as a refugee who escaped civil war and an undocumented teenager who dreams of becoming a nurse. Others are temporary residents, such as a migrant apple picker and an international student hoping to go to an Ivy League college. Each followed a different path from a faraway homeland through America’s maze of immigration rules.

Their journeys reveal a vast and complex immigration system. And their stories show the diversity of the people behind the great American debate.

 

[Irish YJ]

Prank California highway signs 'welcome' felons, illegal immigrants and MS-13 | Fox News

lol

 

[Legacy]

Federal judge in San Francisco temporarily blocks Trump's decision to end DACA program (LA Times)

Excerpts:

In September, with Trump under pressure from officials in several states opposed to DACA, Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions said the administration would begin winding down the program on March 5. The decision was based on Sessions’ opinion that Obama had gone beyond his legal authority in setting up DACA.

That legal opinion was incorrect, the judge said, calling it “a flawed legal premise.” He cited decades of previous actions by immigration authorities to provide temporary relief to groups of people who had violated immigration law.

"DACA was and remains a lawful exercise of authority" by immigration officials, wrote Alsup, an appointee of President Clinton.

Because the decision to abandon the program was based on Sessions’ incorrect reading of the law, it “must be set aside,” he wrote.

“In terminating DACA,” the administration “failed to address the 689,800 young people who had come to rely on DACA to live and to work in this country. These individuals had submitted substantial personal identifying information to the government, paid hefty fees, and planned their lives according to the dictates of DACA,” the judge wrote.

The DACA recipients would suffer irreparable harm if the program is allowed to end, he added, saying the move “would tear authorized workers from our nation’s economy and would prejudice their being able to support themselves and their families, not to mention paying taxes to support our nation.”

In a statement, Justice Department spokesman Devin O'Malley said the judge’s “order doesn’t change the Department of Justice’s position on the facts: DACA was implemented unilaterally after Congress declined to extend these benefits to this same group of illegal aliens…. The Department of Homeland Security therefore acted within its lawful authority in deciding to wind down DACA in an orderly manner.”

Justice Department officials, O’Malley said, would “continue to vigorously defend this position.”

Alsup ordered the administration to start processing applications for renewal of DACA permits and to continue existing ones, maintaining the status quo for all people enrolled in the program at the time of Sessions’ announcement.

 

[Legacy]

Lefty

George W. Bush on immigrants: 'We ought to say thank you and welcome them' (The Hill)

George W. Bush says there's 'pretty clear evidence' that Russia meddled in 2016 U.S. election (Dallas Morning News)

 

[ickythump1225]

Lefty

George W. Bush on immigrants: 'We ought to say thank you and welcome them' (The Hill)

George W. Bush says there's 'pretty clear evidence' that Russia meddled in 2016 U.S. election (Dallas Morning News)

Yeah fuck George Bush.

 

[Legacy]

In Houston, 45% Pay Hikes Are Dangled to Lure Immigrant Workers (Bloomberg)

Cesar Gomez’s life is great right now. And a little scary.

The great part: He just got a 45 percent raise –- to $160 a day. A master remodeler in Houston, he’s in such hot demand amid the post-hurricane cleanup that his boss threw him the extra cash to make sure he wouldn’t bolt for a rival outfit.

But Gomez is wanted in another sense of the word, too. He’s an undocumented Mexican living in a state that’s pursuing one of the country’s toughest crackdowns on undocumented immigrants. This has made him extra leery of bumping into police officers and, as a result, hesitant to venture outside for anything but work. “I just go straight home from work to eat and sleep and that’s it, and then back to work again,” he said.

Houston has become ground zero in the nation’s immigration crisis, testing just how much the hard-line deportation push espoused by President Donald Trump and his allies -- like Texas Governor Greg Abbott -- will hamper an economy already confronting full employment and an aging workforce.

If a Texas law enacted last year survives a court challenge, it may ensnare Gomez and toss him out of the country. A victory for conservative leaders, but at what economic cost? If it took a 45 percent pay increase to keep Gomez on the job, how much would it cost to find his replacement if he and the state’s 250,000 other undocumented construction workers are gone?

“There’s ultimately an economic price to be paid for this labor shortage,” said Jose Garza, executive director of the Workers Defense Project, which is based in Austin, Texas. “Governor Abbott’s immigration policies and Donald Trump’s immigration policies are wreaking havoc.” ...

 

[Bluto]

Saw the caziest thing the other day. I was driving through the Sonoma and Napa Valleys and saw all these Americans out in the fields pruning the vines and stuff................just kidding.

 

[ickythump1225]

Saw the caziest thing the other day. I was driving through the Sonoma and Napa Valleys and saw all these Americans out in the fields pruning the vines and stuff................just kidding.

All those jobs are going to be automated out of existence in the coming years. No need to import millions of unskilled foreigners to pick grapes.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

All those jobs are going to be automated out of existence in the coming years. No need to import millions of unskilled foreigners to pick grapes.

No need to pick grapes. Only women and men who wear scarves drink wine.

 

[Bluto]

All those jobs are going to be automated out of existence in the coming years. No need to import millions of unskilled foreigners to pick grapes.

Not so fast. Let's take the tomato. If I remember correctly the taste was inadvertently bred right out of them so they could withstand the rigors of automated harvesting and shipping 30 plus years ago. Thats why many store bought tomatoes taste like cardboard. Most fresh tomatoes are still picked by hand today.

Selective pruning is even more nuanced and requires and even higher level of care.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Not so fast. Let's take the tomato. If I remember correctly the taste was inadvertently bred right out of them so they could withstand the rigors of automated harvesting and shipping 30 plus years ago. Thats why many store bought tomatoes taste like cardboard. Most fresh tomatoes are still picked by hand today.

Selective pruning is even more nuanced and requires and even higher level of care.

Also the cold temps they are shipped in accelerates the decomposition of whatever it is that gives a tomato its taste. Tomatoes are a food that actually shouldn't be refrigerated, per my organic farmer sister.

 

[Bluto]

Also the cold temps they are shipped in accelerates the decomposition of whatever it is that gives a tomato its taste. Tomatoes are a food that actually shouldn't be refrigerated, per my organic farmer sister.

That is correct. There was a pretty interesting piece on NPR regarding this topic awhile back.

 

[Legacy]

A good explanation of the legal aspects of the lawsuit.

Jeff Sessions’s lawsuit against California’s “sanctuary” laws, explained (Vox)

Quotes include Admin's positions and not California's responses:
Here’s the rundown:

SB 54 (California Values Act): the “sanctuary” law. The Trump administration is suing to allow local law enforcement officials in California to do two things that SB 54 now prevents them from doing: 1) tell federal agents when an immigrant will be released from jail or prison, or give them other “nonpublic” personal information other than the immigrant’s immigration status; and 2) transfer immigrants directly into federal custody from local jails without a warrant from a judge for their arrest (though local officials are allowed to do this if an immigrant has committed certain serious crimes).

The Trump administration argues that the restrictions on what local officials can tell federal ones about a detained immigrant violate federal law — specifically, a provision that bars local and state governments from telling their officials not to share information about “the immigration status ... of any individual.” This is the same provision the Trump administration has been using in its attempts to block “sanctuary” jurisdictions from getting federal grants.

California argues that sharing information about when someone will be released from jail or prison is different from sharing information about their “immigration status” itself, so it’s legal for the state to put restrictions on the former. That argument has been upheld by a federal judge in the state — though, notably, not in the same district where the Justice Department is suing.

AB 103: the detention review law. The DOJ is suing to strike down a law that requires the California attorney general to review any facility where immigrants are being detained by federal agents while waiting for an immigration court date or their deportation (or where unaccompanied minors are being held while waiting to be placed with a relative).

The lawsuit argues that where immigrants are detained is a “law-enforcement decision” and California is improperly interfering with it; it also complains that California isn’t placing these restrictions on any other local or federal agency and is targeting immigration enforcement.

AB 450: the workplace-raid law. Just like the DOJ is suing to let law enforcement cooperate more broadly with federal agents with its challenge to SB 54, it’s suing to let employers cooperate with federal agents during workplace raids or audits. The feds are suing to strike down provisions that prevent employers from letting ICE agents access “nonpublic areas” of the workplace during raids or giving ICE agents access to employee records without a judicial warrant. (Though ICE agents would still be allowed to look over an employer’s I-9 files, the form to verify an employee’s ability to work in the US legally.)

And it’s suing to stop employers from having to notify their employees within 72 hours of getting a notice of inspection of I-9 files from ICE and notify them again within 72 hours of getting the results if the employee has been flagged in the system as working illegally.

The DOJ argues that these restrictions “have the purpose and effect of interfering with the enforcement of the [federal] prohibition on working without authorization.”

This is basically the heart of the lawsuit: that California passed laws that are designed to stop the federal government from enforcing its laws, and that’s not permissible under the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution. (In a subplot, the lawsuit cites the Supreme Court’s decision in Arizona v. US in 2012, which struck down parts of a state immigration enforcement law passed by Republicans who thought the Obama administration was shirking its duty on immigration.)

In the federal government’s view, “California has no lawful interest in assisting removable aliens to evade federal law enforcement.” But California, of course, argues it does: that protecting the safety and well-being of California residents means forcing ICE to meet higher standards of due process before engaging in actions that can affect not only unauthorized immigrants but legal immigrants and US citizens. And this is where the real divide lies.

If the Trump admin prevails,
-- Local and state jails will need to provide immigration status to ICE prior to release or provide non-public personal info and transfer the prisoner from local jurisdiction without a warrant.

-- Prevent the California AG from reviewing any detention facility where immigrants are held. (I assume immigrants would still have representation by a lawyer even if they are detained despite any warrant or arrest - but perhaps not.)

-- Allow ICE agents access to businesses' private areas and require employers to provide all information on their employees without a warrant, raiding businesses without any forewarning. The businesses should have already verified their immigration status with I-9 forms, which will be reviewed by ICE for violations.

Sessions says:

“Contrary to what you might hear from the lawless open borders radicals. We are not asking California, Oakland or anyone else to enforce immigration laws.”

One legal professor says:

“To the extent the Trump administration’s claims against California would produce an outcome that would effectively force states and localities to participate in immigration enforcement. There could be an unconstitutional commandeering.”

Jerry Brown has said about the federal government:

“They are free to use their own considerable resources to enforce federal immigration law in California.”

Sessions Targets California Immigrants Using a Ruling That Protected Them (NY Times)

 

[Legacy]

California Immigration Law
Supreme Court to decide whether immigrants jailed for past crimes can be detained pending deportation (LA Times, today)

The Supreme Court agreed Monday to decide another case testing the Trump administration's power to jail immigrants facing deportation.

The justices will review a class-action ruling from California that held that immigrants who served time in local and state jails may be released if they pose no danger to the public and are not likely to flee.

Administration lawyers appealed the ruling of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, arguing that federal law calls for "mandatory detention" for all noncitizens who face possible deportation because of a criminal record.

They said the 9th Circuit's approach will lead to a "gap in custody" and "frustrate the [government's] ability to remove deportable criminal aliens from the United States."

In deciding the case, the 9th Circuit said the detention law covers a "broad range of crimes," from violent felonies to simple drug possession. And it applies to longtime, lawful residents who have lived and worked in the United States for decades.

The lead plaintiff in the challenge to this provision, Mony Preap, was born in a Cambodian refugee camp and has been a lawful permanent resident since 1981. He faced possible mandatory detention for two misdemeanor marijuana possession convictions in 2006.

The 9th Circuit said that because he had been released from jail, he was not subject to "mandatory detention" under federal law.

"We therefore hold that the mandatory detention provision … applies only to those criminal aliens who are detained promptly after their release from criminal custody, not to those detained long after," wrote Judge Jacqueline Nguyen.

In February, SCOTUS decided:
Supreme Court rules immigrants can be detained indefinitely (The Hill, Feb '18)

Immigrants can be held by U.S. immigration officials indefinitely without receiving bond hearings, even if they have permanent legal status or are seeking asylum, the Supreme Court ruled Tuesday.

Fed lawsuit vs California law:
Jeff Sessions’s lawsuit against California’s “sanctuary” laws, explained (Vox March '18)

SB 54 (California Values Act): the “sanctuary” law. The Trump administration is suing to allow local law enforcement officials in California to do two things that SB 54 now prevents them from doing: 1) tell federal agents when an immigrant will be released from jail or prison, or give them other “nonpublic” personal information other than the immigrant’s immigration status; and 2) transfer immigrants directly into federal custody from local jails without a warrant from a judge for their arrest (though local officials are allowed to do this if an immigrant has committed certain serious crimes).

Texas Sanctuary Cities law
Texas legislature passed SB4 considered an "anti-sanctuary cities" law, which was challenged in court by virtually all the major cities in Texas.

At the District level,
Federal judge blocks ‘sanctuary cities’ ban Senate Bill 4


Texas AG asserts SB4 represents states' sovereign authority on immigration matters.

Attorney General Ken Paxton also said his legal fight to defend SB 4 will continue.

“Senate Bill 4 was passed by the Texas Legislature to set a statewide policy of cooperation with federal immigration authorities enforcing our nation’s immigration laws,” Paxton said in a news release. “Texas has the sovereign authority and responsibility to protect the safety and welfare of its citizens. We’re confident SB 4 will ultimately be upheld as constitutional and lawful.”

The lawsuit has been decided this past week at the Appeals Court level.
Appeals court allows SB 4 ‘sanctuary cities’ ban to stand

Supporters of the law point to people like Julio Cesar Mendoza-Caballero, 33, a documented gang member who was in the country illegally and was released from the Travis County Jail last summer, even though agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement wanted to hold him. He was released under a policy that Travis County Sheriff Sally Hernandez had adopted in which only some ICE detainer requests were honored. Hernandez’s office says she is honoring all ICE detainer requests now that SB 4 is in effect.

In contrast, opponents point to the case of Juan Coronilla-Guerrero, 28, as showing some of the possible consequences of a law they say needlessly separates families and erodes trust between police and immigrant communities. Coronilla-Guerrero, who was initially arrested in Austin on a misdemeanor assault charge, was deported to Mexico, despite warnings that sending him back would endanger his life. He was killed in September.

The Appeals Court decision will be appealed to SCOTUS.

 

[Legacy]

Trump proposal would penalize immigrants who use tax credits and other benefits (WaPo)

Immigrants who accept almost any form of welfare or public benefit, even popular tax deductions, could be denied legal U.S. residency under a proposal awaiting approval by the Trump administration, which is seeking to reduce the number of foreigners living in the United States.

According to a draft of the proposal obtained by The Washington Post, immigration caseworkers would be required to consider a much broader range of factors when determining whether immigrants or their U.S.-citizen children are using public benefits or may be likely to do so.

Current rules penalize immigrants who receive cash welfare payments, considering them a “public charge.” But the proposed changes from the Department of Homeland Security would widen the government’s definition of benefits to include the widely used Earned Income Tax Credit as well as health insurance subsidies and other “non-cash public benefits.”

The changes would apply to those seeking immigration visas, or legal permanent residency, such as a foreigner with an expiring work visa. While it would make little difference to those living illegally in the shadows, it could affect immigrants protected by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program — whose termination has been blocked by federal courts — if they attempt to file for full legal residency.

Immigrants and their families facing a short-term crisis could potentially have to forgo help to avoid jeopardizing their U.S. residency status. The proposal would also require more immigrants to post cash bonds if they have a higher probability of needing or accepting public benefits. The minimum bond amount would be $10,000, according to the DHS proposal, but the amount could be set higher if an applicant is deemed at greater risk of neediness.

One notable aspect of the proposal indicates that native-born Americans use public benefits at roughly the same rate as the foreign-born population.

Out of the 41.5 million immigrants living in the United States, 3.7 percent received cash benefits in 2013, and 22.7 percent accepted noncash benefits including Medicaid, housing subsidies or home heating assistance, according to statistics compiled by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS).

Those figures were nearly identical to the percentage of native-born Americans who get the same forms of assistance. Of the 270 million nonimmigrants, 3.4 percent received cash welfare that year, USCIS research found, and 22.1 percent received noncash benefits.

The High Cost of Cheap Labor (Modern Farmer)

At least half of all farmworkers in the United States are undocumented Mexican immigrants. And “documentation” often dictates inclusion in a guest-worker program that’s been compared to slavery. Americans avoid these jobs, yet elected a president who promised mass deportation. There’s a crisis brewing in our fields, and it’s about to get much, much worse.

‘I Need More Mexicans’: A Kansas Farmer’s Message to Trump (Bloomberg)

Growers and dairies lobby for a path to legalization for the undocumented workers who power their businesses.

Losing Immigrant Workers on Dairy Farms Would Nearly Double Retail Milk Prices (Agweb)

Half of all workers on U.S. dairy farms are immigrants, and the damage from losing those workers would extend far beyond the farms, nearly doubling retail milk prices and costing the total U.S. economy more than $32 billion, according to a new report commissioned by the National Milk Producers Federation.

The report, which includes the results of a nationwide survey of farms, found that one-third of all U.S. dairy farms employ foreign-born workers, and that those farms produce nearly 80 percent of the nation’s milk.

It concluded that a complete loss of immigrant labor could cause the loss of one-in-six dairy farms and cut U.S. economic output by $32.1 billion, resulting in 208,000 fewer jobs nationwide. Some 77,000 of the lost jobs would be on dairy farms.

Retail milk prices, the report said, would increase 90 percent if all immigrant labor was lost. That would drive the supermarket price of a gallon of milk, which averaged $3.37 in June, to approximately $6.40.

The survey results do not distinguish between documented and undocumented foreign-born workers, but 71 percent of survey respondents said they had either low or medium level of confidence in the employment documents of their immigrant workers. As a result, the report said, a majority of dairy farmers are very concerned about actions such as immigration raids or employee audits. Despite this, 80 percent of dairy farms surveyed continue to hire immigrants.

“This report reinforces the urgent need for Congress to address this issue,” said NMPF President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Mulhern. “Farms that rely on hired foreign workers need their current labor force as well as an effective program to ensure an adequate future workforce. And the way to do that is to enact comprehensive immigration reform.”

“The notion that immigrants are taking these jobs away from American workers is simply not true,” added Randy Mooney, a dairy farmer from Rogersville, Missouri, and the chair of NMPF’s board. “Dairy farmers have tried desperately to get American workers to do these jobs with little success — and that’s despite an average wage that is well above the U.S. minimum wage.”

Farmers Wait, And Wait, For Guest Workers Amid H-2A Visa Delays (NPR, 2016)

American farms should be in full swing right now. But some farmers are running behind, waiting on work visas for planters and pickers from out of the country. The H-2A visa program is delayed for the third year in a row.

They broke labor rules. We gave them $8M in farm subsidies and 8,000 foreign workers. (Idaho Statesman)

In the decade or so since regulators have caught about five dozen Idaho employers breaking rules — ranging from unpaid wages to fatal safety lapses — the federal government has given those employers a green light to hire more than 8,000 foreign workers. Those employers also received at least $7.9 million in subsidies.

They and their payments make up a tiny sliver of Idaho’s big and small farms, dairies, forestry companies, beekeepers and ranchers. Last year alone, Idaho farms got $155 million in subsidies, according to the Environmental Working Group, which gathers subsidy records from the U.S. Department of Agriculture and has pushed for reform of subsidy programs.

 

[IrishLax]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-migrants-to-western-countries-idUSKCN1H90WQ

 

[ulukinatme]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-migrants-to-western-countries-idUSKCN1H90WQ

A fence Israel has built over the past few years along its border with Egypt has all but stopped African migrants from entering the country illegally. Since 2005, prior to which the border had been porous, a total of 64,000 Africans had made it to Israel, although thousands have since left.

#BuildTheWall

 

[Wild Bill]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-migrants-to-western-countries-idUSKCN1H90WQ

A fence Israel has built over the past few years along its border with Egypt has all but stopped African migrants from entering the country illegally. Since 2005, prior to which the border had been porous, a total of 64,000 Africans had made it to Israel, although thousands have since left.

Israel must have magic fencing. We've been told repeatedly by our politicians and the friendly folks in the media that physical barriers, walls, fences, etc do not work.

Did Israel forcefully sterilize these African immigrants or is that "treatment" only available to the migrants they intend to keep?

I'll be eagerly awaiting strong condemnation from both the ADL and SPLC.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Egypt's fence is 142 miles.

The Mexican border already has far more than 142 miles of fence, and the illegal immigrants are coming to this country by jet today. The number of illegal Mexicans hasn't increased in a decade.

I repeat this information like clockwork to the same half-dozen IE posters. One day it'll sink in.

 

[ulukinatme]

Egypt's fence is 142 miles.

The Mexican border already has far more than 142 miles of fence, and the illegal immigrants are coming to this country by jet today. The number of illegal Mexicans hasn't increased in a decade.

Sure, hasn't moved in a decade, but illegal immigration also peaked at an all time high 10 years ago. Just because it's not continuing to increase doesn't mean it's not a problem.

I'm not saying a wall is going to solve all the problems (Obviously there are still some illegals getting into Israel from Africa), but 142 miles of fence is hardly going to do anything against a 2000 mile long border. That's like screwing Stormy Daniels with Trump's penis...you might accomplish a bit of resistance and provide some friction, but ultimately it's just too large of a hole.

I repeat this information like clockwork to the same half-dozen IE posters. One day it'll sink in.

We are Buster's unwashed masses.

 

[dshans]

Yep.

Head to Flint, MI.

Take a long shower.


Be sure ingest copious amounts of the lead laden water (a real threat) rthat, at a small fraction of the cost of a bogus border wall, could eradicate problem.

Go with the unsubstantiated possible solution to an incendiary, largely fabricated, propaganda horror, rather than one that is a stone cold fact, and without pixie dust claims of Mexican funding, is achievable and of real, lasting value.

Jeebus!