Helmet Cam

[ab2cmiller]

Did anyone else catch the portion of Kelly's question and answer session after the first practice where he talked about the helmet cam?

Evidently they are using the helmet cam as another tool to analyze the quarterbacks so they can get a better feel on how each quarterback moves through his progressions and if he's locking on to receivers or not.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

sounds cool...I saw a pic of it somewhere. I think it was a Tribune article...in fact here it is...Notre Dame football notebook: HelmetCam - southbendtribune.com

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Technology has definitely changed the game. Any day now coaches will start using I-Pads instead of playbooks. Book it.


*If of course it is deemed legal. I just remembered Chuckles got into hot water for having a laptop up in the booth with him during a game.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

he had a good excuse

he had a good excuse

Technology has definitely changed the game. Any day now coaches will start using I-Pads instead of playbooks. Book it.


*If of course it is deemed legal. I just remembered Chuckles got into hot water for having a laptop up in the booth with him during a game.

he was on webmd trying to find out how to stop a runny nose!!!!!!!!!!!! love ya charlie

 

[IrishGlory]

he was on webmd trying to find out how to stop a runny nose!!!!!!!!!!!! love ya charlie

^^^^Nice. That's my go-to when I see someone with a running nose. They got a case of the CW game days.

 

[IrishLax]

Saw the piece on ESPN. Pretty cool and I totally like the idea. It is a good way to judge how the guys with experience in the system (Dayne, Tommy and Andrew) have progressed. And it will force the QBs to really try to go through their progressions in practice instead of faking it.

 

[provi1]

The only problem i see with this is when Quaterbacks dont actually move their heads and just their eyes.

 

[johnnykillz]

The only problem i see with this is when Quaterbacks dont actually move their heads and just their eyes.

No doubt about it! Exactly. So, then we have mimicry. Nonetheless, it should make sure they are checking the general direction of their plays.

 

[NDOM]

The only problem i see with this is when Quaterbacks dont actually move their heads and just their eyes.

I was just thinking this myself.

 

[phgreek]

OK...this stuff is cool...brings out the geek in me.

Anyone else expecting something...smaller though?

The requirement (gross relative object identification), The range of the image and lighting conditions would be such that a much smaller apparatus could be used.., and on the centerline of the helmet...I am sure guys doing this are way smarter than me...but anyone have a guess at what the limitation was that took this from a very small implementation to something like I use on my bow or gun.

 

[SLCIRISH]

Great idea, when I was in the Army, I use to wear a little camera, on my K- Pot, and it was very useful, in AAR's.

It is also good to see what the QBS is seeing, as far as the recievers routes, pass blocking, backs picking up the blitz, etc..

 

[JayRock]

Would be cool if the videos were released...

 

[jakerbluegold]

OK...this stuff is cool...brings out the geek in me.

Anyone else expecting something...smaller though?

The requirement (gross relative object identification), The range of the image and lighting conditions would be such that a much smaller apparatus could be used.., and on the centerline of the helmet...I am sure guys doing this are way smarter than me...but anyone have a guess at what the limitation was that took this from a very small implementation to something like I use on my bow or gun.

Yes you are correct. This did bring out the geek in you!

I kid, I kid.

 

[dshans]

What would prove more useful is a dual feed helmet cam image combined with an integrated, real time peripheral eye scan grid.

This would help to gauge the "look-off" and "full field awareness" parameters and desired skills.

Add to that sensors that record "pressure-to-rush-escape efficacy ratios" and we'll have something of inestimable value.

Toss in a mind bending algorithm or two and we'll be sittin' pretty and rolling in royalty vBucks!

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Just sayin'.

 

[BGIF]

What would prove more useful is a dual feed helmet cam image combined with an integrated, real time peripheral eye scan grid.

This would help to gauge the "look-off" and "full field awareness" parameters and desired skills.

Add to that sensors that record "pressure-to-rush-escape efficacy ratios" and we'll have something of inestimable value.

Toss in a mind bending algorithm or two and we'll be sittin' pretty and rolling in royalty vBucks!

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Just sayin'.

I'd he happy with Crist with a pair of bionic knees.

 

[dshans]

I'd he happy with Crist with a pair of bionic knees.

Then there's that ...

 

[irishff1014]

This nice in a couple ways. 1- like kelly said you get to see exactly what the QB is seeing. 2- you get to see what other players are doing and if they are in the right position.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I see no need for the helmet cam as a tool whatsovever. Someone will have to convince me of that. Seems like overkill and a total waste of money.

 

[phgreek]

What would prove more useful is a dual feed helmet cam image combined with an integrated, real time peripheral eye scan grid.

This would help to gauge the "look-off" and "full field awareness" parameters and desired skills.

Add to that sensors that record "pressure-to-rush-escape efficacy ratios" and we'll have something of inestimable value.

Toss in a mind bending algorithm or two and we'll be sittin' pretty and rolling in royalty vBucks!

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Just sayin'.

My MAN!

I was thinking the same thing in terms of monitoring eyes. could be done with something like a pinhole camera on the inside of the facemask...

My thought was, for viewing progressions, do a more passive system, ie don't put a big ole camera on the QB at all, but a small laser(low power) on the centerline of the helmet...could be mounted as part of the facemask above the field of view, so wouldn't interfere, then, set a full power-full zoom camera above and behind the QB with a full field view...maybe even use the new cool automagic stuff the videographers will use...then set the camera to black and white...in many instances you can see a laser with a B&W camera (not just the dot on the destination but you can see the whole beam, my old sony does it) in that way you see everything including where the helmet is pointing...I think a beam is a better way to see the progression, and the entire field...better context. So you time sequence videos of the eyes with the laser footage on a split screen ...and you got it all.

I could do it for hundreds of dollars vs thousands...imagine if you actually hired some phd types to do some real work...wait it may never get done...but lots of scholarly papers would be written...Kidding!

 

[phgreek]

I see no need for the helmet cam as a tool whatsovever. Someone will have to convince me of that. Seems like overkill and a total waste of money.

Rainin on my geek fest Deer...

anyway...it may not help anything, but neither does half the ridiculous crap they hang on a phone...but its cool.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I believe that Kelly has somewhat more limited goals here, and the helmet cam could help. No matter how good the coach, I believe that it is difficult to judge "at speed" whether the QB is giving an "honest" look in the direction and proper sequence of the reads. And, this is not a way to judge "look-offs" but whether actual progression of read is taking place. As a QB, you aren't REALLY read-progressing out of the corner of your eye anyway.

I think that Kelly now understands that his QBs [some of them] don't really "understand" the read-progressions instinctively, and he feels that he cannot focus on the subtle movements of their heads every rep while trying to coach all the rest of quarterbacking too. If, say, Dayne does well at progressions when Kelly is "on" him about it, and then later in the reps slips into less discipline about it, this will give Coach something more substantial to point out to him in the film room.

It also may document that there are some plays where the progressions always occur and some where they rarely do. This is exactly like film room work and the analysis of flaws and tendencies.

I NEVER disagree with Neutered...never...well, almost never.

 

[irishpat183]

OK...this stuff is cool...brings out the geek in me.

Anyone else expecting something...smaller though?

The requirement (gross relative object identification), The range of the image and lighting conditions would be such that a much smaller apparatus could be used.., and on the centerline of the helmet...I am sure guys doing this are way smarter than me...but anyone have a guess at what the limitation was that took this from a very small implementation to something like I use on my bow or gun.

MORE LIKE..BOREophyll.!!!!!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

I believe that Kelly has somewhat more limited goals here, and the helmet cam could help. No matter how good the coach, I believe that it is difficult to judge "at speed" whether the QB is giving an "honest" look in the direction and proper sequence of the reads. And, this is not a way to judge "look-offs" but whether actual progression of read is taking place. As a QB, you aren't REALLY read-progressing out of the corner of your eye anyway.

I think that Kelly now understands that his QBs [some of them] don't really "understand" the read-progressions instinctively, and he feels that he cannot focus on the subtle movements of their heads every rep while trying to coach all the rest of quarterbacking too. If, say, Dayne does well at progressions when Kelly is "on" him about it, and then later in the reps slips into less discipline about it, this will give Coach something more substantial to point out to him in the film room.

It also may document that there are some plays where the progressions always occur and some where they rarely do. This is exactly like film room work and the analysis of flaws and tendencies.

I NEVER disagree with Neutered...never...well, almost never.

Guess what Boss. I was trained and played and coached on both sides of the ball. As QB for 12 years, I knew to keep my head looking at a certain area while my eyes wandered. Made fools of DBs that way. It was a chuckle. I think the cam is overkill and a waste of money.

 

[Riddickulous]

I see no need for the helmet cam as a tool whatsovever. Someone will have to convince me of that. Seems like overkill and a total waste of money.

I agree.

 

[phgreek]

MORE LIKE..BOREophyll.!!!!!

...oh, ok go sit in the parking lot and turn on your Bill Squire...


Nice Billy Madison...

 

[phgreek]

Guess what Boss. I was trained and played and coached on both sides of the ball. As QB for 12 years, I knew to keep my head looking at a certain area while my eyes wandered. Made fools of DBs that way. It was a chuckle. I think the cam is overkill and a waste of money.

Yea...in high school you maybe went against one guy a year that could do that consistently...In college every damned one of them did that, and had strong arms, so that was tough unless you could pressure them and hit them....or set them up.

Its funny how fast a QB resorts to staring folks down after he throws a pick... especially if the guy who picked it isn't where the QB expected...

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Cool video with Tommy and Dayne

WNDU - Video

 

[GreatGolson]

"Dayne assured the ladies that his knee is 100% and that he is ready to go"