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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaol

Another great stat website is Football Outsiders and they go into deep analytics of the offensive lines in college football. If you take the aggregate score of all 9 statistical categories the offensive lines are rated in, here is the order of aggregate scores from best to worst of the 65 power 5 teams.

1 Alabama
2 Florida
3 Wisconsin
4 Oklahoma
5 Arizona
6 Missouri
7 Clemson
8 Iowa
9 Purdue
10 Mississippi State
11 Pittsburgh
12 Wake Forest
13 Georgia
14 Washington State
15 Texas
16 Arkansas
17 TCU
18 Nebraska
19 Ole Miss
20 California
21 Syracuse
22 Kentucky
23 Penn State
24 Ohio State
25 Minnesota
26 Oregon
27 Virginia
28 West Virginia
29 Indiana
30 Baylor
31 South Carolina
32 Georgia Tech
33 Washington
34 Arizona State
35 Rutgers
36 Illinois
37 Utah
38 UCLA
39 Michigan
40 Virginia Tech
41 Auburn
42 NC State
43 Miami-FL
44 Boston College
45 Vanderbilt
46 Texas Tech
47 Duke
48 Iowa State
49 Oklahoma State
50 Notre Dame
51 North Carolina
52 Michigan State
53 Maryland
54 LSU
55 Colorado
56 Kansas State
57 Texas A&M
58 USC
59 Louisville
60 Northwestern
61 Stanford
62 Oregon State
63 Kansas
64 Florida State
65 Tennessee

Stats are showing that ND's offensive line is not good at all this year. Needs some significant improvement in order to reach and compete in the playoffs. Another pointer is that Joe Gilbert, who interviewed for the OL coaching job at ND in the offseason, currently has Arizona as the 5th best OL in the country in his first season.
 
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Stats are showing that ND's offensive line is not good at all this year. Needs some significant improvement in order to reach and compete in the playoffs.

And that's a two step process.. It'll take some growth to win out most likely... and it's realistic enough to thin that can happen. That second step though, it's a doozy.
 

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Just an FYI on some defensive rankings. There are 65 power 5 teams. Of those teams, ND ranks...

Points Per Game - 12th
Yards Per Play - 6th
Yards Per Game - 14th
Yards Per Rush Attempt - 21st
Yards Per Pass Attempt - 4th
Margin of Victory - 8th

Pretty awesome stuff. Navy game didn't help the rushing stats, but Notre Dame is essentially running out a top ten defense right now which is awesome. Hats of to Clark Lea for his work along with Elston, Joseph, and Lyght. Recruiting is also picking up on defense which should allow this defense to be sustainable which will in turn help ND immensely towards competing for championships.

Lea and the other D coaches are killing it, and I think it will only get better with time, and the new talent on deck. I think we've kind of lucked out playing inferior teams this year, which has let some of our guys come along better without being baptized by fire. It's also allowed for a good rotation (except LBs) for the most part which has kept the guys from wearing down.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaol

Another great stat website is Football Outsiders and they go into deep analytics of the offensive lines in college football. If you take the aggregate score of all 9 statistical categories the offensive lines are rated in, here is the order of aggregate scores from best to worst of the 65 power 5 teams.

1 Alabama
2 Florida
3 Wisconsin
4 Oklahoma
5 Arizona
6 Missouri
7 Clemson
8 Iowa
9 Purdue
10 Mississippi State
11 Pittsburgh
12 Wake Forest
13 Georgia
14 Washington State
15 Texas
16 Arkansas
17 TCU
18 Nebraska
19 Ole Miss
20 California
21 Syracuse
22 Kentucky
23 Penn State
24 Ohio State
25 Minnesota
26 Oregon
27 Virginia
28 West Virginia
29 Indiana
30 Baylor
31 South Carolina
32 Georgia Tech
33 Washington
34 Arizona State
35 Rutgers
36 Illinois
37 Utah
38 UCLA
39 Michigan
40 Virginia Tech
41 Auburn
42 NC State
43 Miami-FL
44 Boston College
45 Vanderbilt
46 Texas Tech
47 Duke
48 Iowa State
49 Oklahoma State
50 Notre Dame
51 North Carolina
52 Michigan State
53 Maryland
54 LSU
55 Colorado
56 Kansas State
57 Texas A&M
58 USC
59 Louisville
60 Northwestern
61 Stanford
62 Oregon State
63 Kansas
64 Florida State
65 Tennessee

Stats are showing that ND's offensive line is not good at all this year. Needs some significant improvement in order to reach and compete in the playoffs. Another pointer is that Joe Gilbert, who interviewed for the OL coaching job at ND in the offseason, currently has Arizona as the 5th best OL in the country in his first season.

I'm just happy that FSU (64) and USC (58) are behind us LOL. Cuse rated well at (21), so that game will be interesting to see what our DL does.

Overall, the OL is just not that good. And IMO have benefited big time from Book's quick throws. They would be much worse if we had a less quick QB. Agree, we've got to get better quickly for post season. I think we can survive in passing because of Book being quick, but we have to be better ASAP in the running game. Like a few posters have mentioned, we need to run more on the perimeter.

Would love to have had Gilbert. I bet Gilbert wishes he was still with Indy given who they drafted lol.
 

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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaol

Another great stat website is Football Outsiders and they go into deep analytics of the offensive lines in college football. If you take the aggregate score of all 9 statistical categories the offensive lines are rated in, here is the order of aggregate scores from best to worst of the 65 power 5 teams.

1 Alabama
2 Florida
3 Wisconsin
4 Oklahoma
5 Arizona
6 Missouri
7 Clemson
8 Iowa
9 Purdue
10 Mississippi State
11 Pittsburgh
12 Wake Forest
13 Georgia
14 Washington State
15 Texas
16 Arkansas
17 TCU
18 Nebraska
19 Ole Miss
20 California
21 Syracuse
22 Kentucky
23 Penn State
24 Ohio State
25 Minnesota
26 Oregon
27 Virginia
28 West Virginia
29 Indiana
30 Baylor
31 South Carolina
32 Georgia Tech
33 Washington
34 Arizona State
35 Rutgers
36 Illinois
37 Utah
38 UCLA
39 Michigan
40 Virginia Tech
41 Auburn
42 NC State
43 Miami-FL
44 Boston College
45 Vanderbilt
46 Texas Tech
47 Duke
48 Iowa State
49 Oklahoma State
50 Notre Dame
51 North Carolina
52 Michigan State
53 Maryland
54 LSU
55 Colorado
56 Kansas State
57 Texas A&M
58 USC
59 Louisville
60 Northwestern
61 Stanford
62 Oregon State
63 Kansas
64 Florida State
65 Tennessee

Stats are showing that ND's offensive line is not good at all this year. Needs some significant improvement in order to reach and compete in the playoffs. Another pointer is that Joe Gilbert, who interviewed for the OL coaching job at ND in the offseason, currently has Arizona as the 5th best OL in the country in his first season.

I claim to be really smart, despite never having stayed at a Holiday Inn in my life....Life long SPG member....I am a points hore.

So despite claiming to be very intelligent, despite tons of evidence to the contrary, how can anyone claim to buy into a stats list that has UCLA's Offensive line rated so much higher than Notre Dames.
 

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honestly, if we were ever going to join a conference, we should have started our own conference with independents in the late 80s. Could you imagine an "Indy 10" like the bolded below. All the independents and record is from 88


Team W L T
No. 1 Notre Dame 12 – 0 – 0
No. 2 Miami (FL) 11 – 1 – 0
No. 3 Florida State 11 – 1 – 0
No. 5 West Virginia 11 – 1 – 0
Southern Miss 10 – 2 – 0
No. 13 Syracuse 10 – 2 – 0
Army 9 – 3 – 0
Louisville 8 – 3 – 0
South Carolina 8 – 4 – 0
Northern Illinois 7 – 4 – 0
Pittsburgh 6 – 5 – 0
Memphis State 6 – 5 – 0
Southwest Louisiana 6 – 5 – 0
Rutgers 5 – 6 – 0
Akron 5 – 6 – 0
Penn State 5 – 6 – 0
Tulane 5 – 6 – 0
Louisiana Tech 4 – 7 – 0
Temple 4 – 7 – 0
Tulsa 4 – 7 – 0
Boston College 3 – 8 – 0
Cincinnati 3 – 8 – 0
East Carolina 3 – 8 – 0
Navy 3 – 8 – 0
Virginia Tech

 

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honestly, if we were ever going to join a conference, we should have started our own conference with independents in the late 80s. Could you imagine an "Indy 10" like the bolded below. All the independents and record is from 88


Team W L T
No. 1 Notre Dame 12 – 0 – 0
No. 2 Miami (FL) 11 – 1 – 0
No. 3 Florida State 11 – 1 – 0
No. 5 West Virginia 11 – 1 – 0
Southern Miss 10 – 2 – 0
No. 13 Syracuse 10 – 2 – 0
Army 9 – 3 – 0
Louisville 8 – 3 – 0
South Carolina 8 – 4 – 0
Northern Illinois 7 – 4 – 0
Pittsburgh 6 – 5 – 0
Memphis State 6 – 5 – 0
Southwest Louisiana 6 – 5 – 0
Rutgers 5 – 6 – 0
Akron 5 – 6 – 0
Penn State 5 – 6 – 0
Tulane 5 – 6 – 0
Louisiana Tech 4 – 7 – 0
Temple 4 – 7 – 0
Tulsa 4 – 7 – 0
Boston College 3 – 8 – 0
Cincinnati 3 – 8 – 0
East Carolina 3 – 8 – 0
Navy 3 – 8 – 0
Virginia Tech


Tried bumping Rutgers and their NYC TV sets off for Chili Tech. You funny!

Notre Dame
Miami (FL)
Florida State
West Virginia
Syracuse
Boston College
Louisville
South Carolina
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Penn State
Va Tech
 

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Tried bumping Rutgers and their NYC TV sets off for Chili Tech. You funny!

Notre Dame
Miami (FL)
Florida State
West Virginia
Syracuse
Boston College
Louisville
South Carolina
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
Penn State
Va Tech

Cinci > New Brunswick. And don't forget basketball!

But NB does have some hot chicks. Spent 6+ months there.
 

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Cinci > New Brunswick. And don't forget basketball!

But NB does have some hot chicks and 20M TV sets. Spent 6+ months there.

Fixed the above.

You also left off Cuse... and then invoke the hoops clause. No can do.

Best thing to do is go to 14 and bring Navy with you.
 

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Fixed the above.

You also left off Cuse... and then invoke the hoops clause. No can do.

Best thing to do is go to 14 and bring Navy with you.

Let's make a deal!
I'm down.

Can you imagine if that happened back then. It would have been bigger and better than the SEC.
 

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What's this? ....... an article from a national writer (Dan Wetzel) saying ND was right not to join a conference?

https://sports.yahoo.com/notre-dame-smart-not-join-conference-181449737.html

For years and years, critics called Notre Dame football “irrelevant” and “insignificant” and claimed it would remain irrelevant and insignificant unless it joined a conference. Not enough money. Not enough stability. Not enough games. Not enough recruits.

And for years and years the Irish brass deemed all of those opinions irrelevant and insignificant and refused to join a conference.

Well, Notre Dame was right. Everyone else was wrong – coaches, media, administrators.

Independence is not something the Irish need to overcome to be quite relevant and significant – as their No. 3 spot in the playoff rankings assure. It is the strength of the program and a key reason why Notre Dame is even capable of being this good.

The chief reason, like with every other program, is the quality of the head coach. When a school has a great one, such as Brian Kelly, then it wins. When it doesn’t, it doesn’t. That’s the case no matter who you are or what league you play in – USC, Texas, Michigan … even Alabama and Clemson were mediocre before Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney came along.

For Notre Dame, independence begets scheduling flexibility and scheduling flexibility allows it to present itself to a national recruiting base that in turn allows it to be more than just a traditional power with a big, beautiful stadium stuck in the demographic-challenged Midwest.

The Irish “host” Syracuse in Yankee Stadium on Saturday. It’s technically part of both the Irish’s genius five-game-per-year scheduling deal with the ACC, which gives it a steady diet of Southeast and East Coast opponents, and part of the school’s “Shamrock Series” that moves games around the country into key targeted areas.

It’s the now the marquee game of the weekend because ND is 10-0 and the Orange are 7-2 and ranked 13th. It will also prove to be another memorable setting in what should be a unique, attention-grabbing event for Notre Dame.

The trip to New York comes between trips to Chicago (a victory over Northwestern two weeks ago in the near north suburb of Evanston) and Los Angeles (season-ending rivalry game at USC on Thanksgiving weekend).

New York, L.A., Chicago … 1-2-3 of the biggest cities in America for a program running at full throttle. In between the Irish’s tour of major market, recruit-rich America was last week’s throttling of Florida State at home under their golden dome. It was preceded by beating Navy in San Diego.

No one else in college football can duplicate such a stretch.

It’s a reminder that the conventional wisdom on the Irish was always short-sighted. And Notre Dame’s administration wasn’t just stubborn or snobby in rejecting a spot in the Big Ten, it was visionary.

Notre Dame works with a smaller and thus more spread-out recruiting pool than perhaps any other true national contender. Only Stanford can really compare. It can’t count on 15 in-state recruits. It can’t bend entrance standards as far as others. It’s surrounded by excellent programs nearby (notably Michigan and Ohio State). It just isn’t for everybody.

It has to hunt for talent and that means creating the most geographically diverse schedule possible, chock-full of event-style games that tell everyone, especially local recruits, that the Irish are special and deserve a long look. It also tells potential players they’ll get to tour America if they come to South Bend.

The Big Ten could never provide that. Full ACC membership can’t either, although getting lots of games down South is a huge boon.

Each year Notre Dame plays USC and Stanford, assuring at least one annual trip to California. Road games in the Navy series float around the country. Then there’s the Shamrock Series, which may no longer be an annual event but can be used to fill in gaps (three trips to Texas in an eight-year stretch). That’s what the Yankee Stadium trip is about.

Consider just the last three seasons. The Irish were in California (Bay Area, L.A., San Diego). They were in Florida (Miami, Orlando, Jacksonville). They were in Texas (Austin, San Antonio). They were in Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park. They got up to East Lansing. And ACC games brought them to Virginia and the Carolinas. They’ll be at Georgia next year and at Georgia Tech the following.

And, of course, home dates against schools from Florida, California (Northern and Southern), Georgia, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Tennessee, Pennsylvania (Eastern and Western), North Carolina, Nevada, Maryland and Virginia.

You might be able to win the Electoral College with Notre Dame’s schedule.

Few things rankle the Big Ten more than Notre Dame’s stubborn refusal to join, but the school, and Kelly in particular, have mastered modern Notre Dame. No, the Irish aren’t Alabama, who steamrolled them in the 2012 national title game. But who is?

This is Notre Dame’s third 10-win season in four years. The roster features kids from 28 states and the District of Columbia. One more hails from Canada. Nearby Illinois leads with 16, but Florida (12) and California (10) are close behind. Sixteen states produced at least three players. Its current 19-man 2019 recruiting class has players from 15 states.

Notre Dame couldn’t have gotten all these guys if it were in the Big Ten. It’s too limiting. Only Ohio State consistently out-recruits them in the region, although Michigan has the potential.

Could the Irish conceivably make more money in the short term in media deals? Absolutely. The Big Ten, led by its conference-owned cable network, hit a per-school payout of $51 million last year. Notre Dame has a $15 million exclusive deal with NBC and brought in just over $5 million for its ACC partnership.

Yet no one has ever strolled through campus or toured the football facilities and lamented that Notre Dame must be broke. They’ll always have the money. They just raise it elsewhere.

Part of that is taking its show on the road, this week into NYC where lots of alumni live, lots of media operate and lots of great prospects call home, particularly across the Hudson in North Jersey.

The band is playing Bryant Park and the drumline is at the Rockefeller Center ice rink. There’ll be a mass at St. Patrick’s. The Empire State Building will be lit up in blue and gold.

And that old echo about how the Irish would never be relevant again just grows more distant, perhaps never to be awoken.
 

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Anyone else agree that there is no reason to think ND doesn't extend its home game winning streak through next season?

New Mexico
Virginia
Bowling Green
USC
VT
Navy
BC

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Anyone else agree that there is no reason to think ND doesn't extend its home game winning streak through next season?

New Mexico
Virginia
Bowling Green
USC
VT
Navy
BC

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Hardly debatable? It's very debatable.
First of all, I said undefeated UCF over a 1 loss ND (not no loss). UCF would not get in over any undefeated power 5 team. To say they wouldn't get in over a 2 loss Stanford is silly though.

Things are very different this year for UCF's chances.
Last year, UCF was unranked to start, and didn't hit the top 25 until week 6. They also started the CFP as #18. They ended up being #6 in the final rankings. They also went on to beat Auburn (SEC W champs), which beat not one, but two #1 teams last year. That itself changed perception to a lot of folks about UCF in general.

This year, they were in the top ten by week 6. They will be in the top 10 when the CFP rankings come out. They also beat Pitt by 31. They are also ahead of us in advanced stats, and would be much further ahead of us (and a lot of other teams) if they win out, and we drop one. If things break the right way for them, they could face two teams in the top 25 (Cincy or USF, and Houston in the CC) at the end of the season.

Not saying they make it in before any one loss big time name, but they could. And it is, very debatable.

Still hardly debatable..
 

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Still hardly debatable..

when LSU, OK, scUM, and WashSt go down this week, they'll be within striking distance LOL. and then UGA goes down the next week.

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Fun fact:

There are only 6 teams with 14-4 stars or better:

1. Alabama
3. Georgia
4. Oregon
7. Texas
12. Notre Dame
14. Penn State
 

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I realize this is about a week old but it's great to see the team having fun:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Riding the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/uNDefeated?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#uNDefeated</a> wave &#55356;&#57098; into New York &#55357;&#56829;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoIrish</a> ☘️ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BeatOrange?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BeatOrange</a> <a href="https://t.co/1ElxQDu2Uh">pic.twitter.com/1ElxQDu2Uh</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/1063405573172023296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I realize this is about a week old but it's great to see the team having fun:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Riding the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/uNDefeated?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#uNDefeated</a> wave �� into New York ��<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoIrish</a> ☘️ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BeatOrange?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BeatOrange</a> <a href="https://t.co/1ElxQDu2Uh">pic.twitter.com/1ElxQDu2Uh</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/1063405573172023296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2018</a></blockquote>
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They do this every week, it gets funnier every time
 

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