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As I sat watching and trying to decipher what it was he was saying, I couldn't help but wonder what it was he might be majoring in at UL. And to see Johnny Football on stage was about the biggest turnoff you could throw on stage. Not really interested in the event anymore, it reflects a deep decline in the overall state of college football.
The sad part is I watched it with my 6 year old. He also tried to decipher what he was saying. When it all finished he made the same basic speech to me, minus all the shit you couldn't understand, in about 45 seconds. Then asked if that's what the guy said.
 

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Per O'Malley, some staff told players to tell BK that Longo is the biggest problem

Someone call an ambulance and send it over to koon, just in case the erection lasts longer than four hours.
 

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Someone call an ambulance and send it over to koon, just in case the erection lasts longer than four hours.

Things chicks would say to Koon if that happened:


Is that a wooden spoon in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

My my... what a big deck you have.


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Can someone explain to me what separates a good S&C coach from a bad one? Please don't point to results (McGlinchey weighed under 300, etc.). I am asking for examples of how "bad" coaches run the S&C program day-to-day and areas of focus compared to good coaches.

It's hard for me to tell if Longo is a real problem or just a scapegoat.
 

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Per O'Malley, some staff told players to tell BK that Longo is the biggest problem

If we have staff telling players to throw someone else on the staff under the bus then they can pack their bags too. How unprofessional.
 

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Can someone explain to me what separates a good S&C coach from a bad one? Please don't point to results (McGlinchey weighed under 300, etc.). I am asking for examples of how "bad" coaches run the S&C program day-to-day and areas of focus compared to good coaches.

It's hard for me to tell if Longo is a real problem or just a scapegoat.

If the staff thinks he's a problem, he probably is. This isn't the first rodeo for any of them. They have been around plenty of S&C coaches in their careers. Their jobs depend on the S&C coach doing his job well, so if he was doing his job well they would want him to stay.

You can't separate a good coach from a bad one without using results; results are all that matter. Good strength coaches can differ in their methods. There is not just one way to get stronger.
 

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Per O'Malley, some staff told players to tell BK that Longo is the biggest problem

If we have staff telling players to throw someone else on the staff under the bus then they can pack their bags too. How unprofessional.


O'Malley clarified. It wasn't staff telling players to do it for the staff benefit. Apparently players throughout the year had made comments to the staff that Longo was an issue and the staff was encouraging players to be up front with BK.
 

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O'Malley clarified. It wasn't staff telling players to do it for the staff benefit. Apparently players throughout the year had made comments to the staff that Longo was an issue and the staff was encouraging players to be up front with BK.



Hope BK sees the light and makes a change


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Can someone explain to me what separates a good S&C coach from a bad one? Please don't point to results (McGlinchey weighed under 300, etc.). I am asking for examples of how "bad" coaches run the S&C program day-to-day and areas of focus compared to good coaches.

It's hard for me to tell if Longo is a real problem or just a scapegoat.

If McGlinchey's weight is low, Longo must go
 

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I don't know where to even start with this. My first inclination is that this story is complete BS. As a former DI coach, I cannot even contemplate going to one of my players to have them go to the HC and rat out another coach. Once you hear a serious beef from a player or players, you sit down with the entire staff and get to the bottom of it immediately. You don't send the kid in there to do your job.

Sounds fishy or it sounds like a coup full of chickens is running the farm.

If true, this is the worst thing I've heard yet.
 

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Maybe a "I told BK and he disagrees, if you're so pissed about it tell him yourself cos I'm not flogging a dead horse" deal that has been blown out of proportion?
 

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Wow, a sophomore and still deciding on a major!?! At least get him in a remedial reading and writing class, otherwise his endorsement opportunities will be limited after he goes pro after next year.

After 3-1/2 years Katzenmoyer did not have a declared major (aside from the NFL). The OSU President at the time was shocked to learn that it was not a requirement to declare a major at several colleges on the OSU campus. It was truly a Captain Renault moment.
 

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Personally, I am sad to see that Kizer has decided to go early. I hope that he does not end up like Jimmy Clausen - pretty much out of football now. Sure it might be a weak QB class but at least one more year of seasoning at the college level would not have hurt. I have always felt that Kizer was an exciting and dynamic player (sure with some downside) and next year on a team with more experience, it might have been grand. We will give the next one up every opportunity and pray that injuries do not decimate like last year. Go Irish!
 

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Per O'Malley, some staff told players to tell BK that Longo is the biggest problem

I'm assuming during exit interviews?

O'Malley clarified. It wasn't staff telling players to do it for the staff benefit. Apparently players throughout the year had made comments to the staff that Longo was an issue and the staff was encouraging players to be up front with BK.

This makes much more sense than staff having kids do something like this, unprovoked.

Hope BK sees the light and makes a change


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Amen.
 

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As I sat watching and trying to decipher what it was he was saying, I couldn't help but wonder what it was he might be majoring in at UL. And to see Johnny Football on stage was about the biggest turnoff you could throw on stage. Not really interested in the event anymore, it reflects a deep decline in the overall state of college football.

I m glad someone else said this as I seem ultra negative about college ball these days-that young man was an embarrassment to the college experience and my goodness how far we have regressed. Someone who knows the situation should have written a small blurb for him to read and leave it at that.
 

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SIAP, but here are all the advanced stats for the team this year. Based on the stats of the game, ND should have finished 7-5 this year.

Lots of goodies in here, but there are six things I wanted to point out.

1) The offense was really pedestrian, but I think it has to do with creativity, tendencies and situational circumstances. ND's offense was THE best offense in CFB in the first quarter this year. They dropped to 56th in both the second and third quarters, while recording a paltry 96th in the fourth. To me, this has everything to do with the situation the team was in (special teams and defense deficiencies) as well as adjustments. For whatever reason (lack of continuity within coaching, inability to control DK from making changes at the line, inexperience at WR) the team could not adjust mid game like their opposition did. This was a clear reversal of last year, when ND was the #1 S&P+ offense in the 3rd quarter and the #2 in the 4th.

2) The disparity between passing down and standard down success rates. For clarity, passing downs are downs are 2nd and 8 or more to go and 3rd/4th down and 5 or more to go, the rest is considered standard downs. I fully acknowledge this stat ignores game situation (i.e., score) but it still is valuable. ND was basically middle of the pack in the FBS in standard down efficiency, explosiveness and success rate. However, ND was 101 (!) in line yards per carry and 121 (!!!!!) in sack rate on standard downs (compared to 36th and 88th a year ago). Compare that to passing downs were ND was 8th (!!) in line yards (#3 in 2015) and 26th in sack rate (an improvement from 2015). The final piece to this puzzle is that ND ranked 90th in standard down running play % (85th a year ago), was ranked 63rd in passing down running play % (40th in 2015) and ranked 93rd in offensive pace (an improvement from 106 last year). There is much to digest there, but I think it shows that ND was predictable in play calling on 1st down (score situational or not) and there wasn't a fear of a down field threat.

3) Our running game was actually pretty darn good at avoiding negative plays and getting 2 or 3 yards when needed. Our power success rate was 15th in country and our stuff rate (or lack there of) was 31st. The issue was explosiveness, which is where ND ranked 71. We can debate how much of this is due to the lack of down field passing threat, but it was a gigantic regression from 2015, when ND ranked 8th.

4) The defense was really bad, I mean really bad, at forcing negative plays. Nd ranked 103rd overall in havoc plays (negative yardage, forced fumble, pass break up or INT), with the DL ranking 81st, LB ranking 39th and DB ranking 120 (barf).

5) Special teams was, well, not special. Punt success rate was 112th in the nation and overall special teams S&P+ was 79th. The only bright spot was kick off return success rate, which ranked 33rd, up significantly from 2015 (104th).

6) One last note on the defense.....overall the defensive efficiency wasn't bad...ranking 29th. In fact, the defense ranked 14th in allowing explosive plays ppo. The run defense was slightly better than average at stuff rate and power success. Pass defense was different. Success rate on defense was 115th and efficiency was 92nd. Explosiveness allowed was about average for the FBS. This, IMO, is tied back to the havoc rate previously discussed. Simply put, there were not enough negative plays generated on defense. There will need to be a balance next year between generating TO while not giving up more explosive plays. I will be curious to how that plays out.

Summary for me is that the season wasn't as bad as the record suggested, but it wasn't anything great either. IMO, I don't see where there was one stat or two stats that would propel ND next year to a 10 win season if they turn around. There are many things that need to change and collectively propel the team. That said, defense clearly needs more disruptive plays and the offense needs to be much more explosive. For the defense, creating turnovers would go a long way. The last two years ND has lost, on average, 2 points per game due to the TO battle. S&P+ labels this as "luck", but ND has not been good at forcing TO and the "luck" and 2 ppg will not come back until that changes. For Offense, it is explosiveness, whether it comes from someone stepping up or thru pace. If I were BK, I would try to get it thru pace.


http://www.footballstudyhall.com/pages/2016-notre-dame-advanced-statistical-profile
 
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Re: Communication abilities of today's athletes. While Jameis etc. seem to have difficulty in providing full sentences without using "stoppers" such as "Man" and "Ya know", I have had the unhappy experience of listening to basketball post game interviews where the interviewee is absolutely incomprehensible. I have always wanted to call the show and ask the listening audience if, given the inability of this student athlete to put two sentences together, this is the place where you want to spend your hard earned money to send your child for an education. On the whole, the interviews with ND players are well above the norm. This is just my take on the situation and I might have too hard an attitude.
 

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Re: Communication abilities of today's athletes. While Jameis etc. seem to have difficulty in providing full sentences without using "stoppers" such as "Man" and "Ya know", I have had the unhappy experience of listening to basketball post game interviews where the interviewee is absolutely incomprehensible. I have always wanted to call the show and ask the listening audience if, given the inability of this student athlete to put two sentences together, this is the place where you want to spend your hard earned money to send your child for an education. On the whole, the interviews with ND players are well above the norm. This is just my take on the situation and I might have too hard an attitude.

Yep, and I think if you look at guys like Stephon Tuitt as an example. When he first came to ND you could tell it was an issue, speaking in front of people/media. By the time he left, he had improved, at least in my eyes, greatly.

That's the kind of stuff that Crusader mentioned in Greg Johnson's thread, that is a real positive about ND, if your goal is the make money in the NFl, and I agree.
 

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SIAP. Which freshman will have likely not exhausted eligibility after this past year?
 
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Good Lord (cannot embed), UGA twitter claiming Sony Micheal and Nick Chubb have decided to return to UGA. No 2017 team profiles so putting here.
 

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Good Lord (cannot embed), UGA twitter claiming Sony Micheal and Nick Chubb have decided to return to UGA. No 2017 team profiles so putting here.


Yep.... 4 total returning. All were expected to go middle first to middle second round.


going to be a fun game
 

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Good Lord (cannot embed), UGA twitter claiming Sony Micheal and Nick Chubb have decided to return to UGA. No 2017 team profiles so putting here.

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/other-college-football/204695-sec-open-thread.html

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I'm hugely concerned about our DL next yer. WDE we have Trumbetti who I don't see ever helping us. We have Daelin Hayes, Julian Okwara and big Ade. One or two of these sophomores NEEDS to step up. I'm hoping for Daelin to thrive. I think Jay Hayes will move to SDE and do decent there but we still haven't been able to get much out of him with his ankle last year. At SDE, we have J. Hayes, Bonner who I look at as a depth/swing DT guy, Khalid Kareem who struggled last year but show big play making ability in HS and we have MacCollister who's a project and will redshirt next year. At NT we may be in big trouble if Cage is out. Behind him we have Taylor who looks decent but inexperienced and slightly undersized for NT. We have Mokwuah but I don't see much in him other than being a big body. At DT we need an improvement out of Tillery. He was an early enrollee and has started for two years. Hopefully new coaching and scheme will help him. Other than him I'm hoping to see something out of Ewell and Dew-Treadway but those are two young inexperienced guys.

All in all, we didn't land a good recruiting class, have very few senior/experienced guys and we're left praying for a bunch of underclassmen to massively improve......I'm super concerned we're going to get pushed around again next year.

I'd love your thoughts guys.

Go Irish!
 
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I'll give Jameis a pass. He reminds me a lot of Barkley at that age. In his case, I don't think your talking about sub standard intellect, I think it's purely deep south lexicon. Plus, Jameis is charismatic like Chuck. I can see him becoming a popular tv fixture, a great smile and a boyish demeanor goes a long way.

Cam Newton is the one that sounds like a complete imbecile! I heard a quote from him today,

"Hindsight is 50/50."
 

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I'm bigly concerned about our DL next yer. WDE we have Trumbetti who I don't see ever helping us. We have Daelin Hayes, Julian Okwara and big Ade. One or two of these sophomores NEEDS to step up. I'm hoping for Daelin to thrive. I think Jay Hayes will move to SDE and do decent there but we still haven't been able to get much out of him with his ankle last year. At SDE, we have J. Hayes, Bonner who I look at as a depth/swing DT guy, Khalid Kareem who struggled last year but show big play making ability in HS and we have MacCollister who's a project and will redshirt next year. At NT we may be in big trouble if Cage is out. Behind him we have Taylor who looks decent but inexperienced and slightly undersized for NT. We have Mokwuah but I don't see much in him other than being a big body. At DT we need an improvement out of Tillery. He was an early enrollee and has started for two years. Hopefully new coaching and scheme will help him. Other than him I'm hoping to see something out of Ewell and Dew-Treadway but those are two young inexperienced guys.

All in all, we didn't land a good recruiting class, have very few senior/experienced guys and we're left praying for a bunch of underclassmen to massively improve......I'm super concerned we're going to get pushed around again next year.

I'd love your thoughts guys.

Go Irish!

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I'm hugely concerned about our DL next yer. WDE we have Trumbetti who I don't see ever helping us. We have Daelin Hayes, Julian Okwara and big Ade. One or two of these sophomores NEEDS to step up. I'm hoping for Daelin to thrive. I think Jay Hayes will move to SDE and do decent there but we still haven't been able to get much out of him with his ankle last year. At SDE, we have J. Hayes, Bonner who I look at as a depth/swing DT guy, Khalid Kareem who struggled last year but show big play making ability in HS and we have MacCollister who's a project and will redshirt next year. At NT we may be in big trouble if Cage is out. Behind him we have Taylor who looks decent but inexperienced and slightly undersized for NT. We have Mokwuah but I don't see much in him other than being a big body. At DT we need an improvement out of Tillery. He was an early enrollee and has started for two years. Hopefully new coaching and scheme will help him. Other than him I'm hoping to see something out of Ewell and Dew-Treadway but those are two young inexperienced guys.

All in all, we didn't land a good recruiting class, have very few senior/experienced guys and we're left praying for a bunch of underclassmen to massively improve......I'm super concerned we're going to get pushed around again next year.

I'd love your thoughts guys.

Go Irish!

I disagree with you on Mokwuah. I think this kid is going to come out and become a stud for the next few years. In the limited time he was in this year, behind Jones & Cage, I thought he pushed the pocket back into the QB's and held his own in the run game. Not to mention practice reports on Pete's progressive have been very encouraging. Snacks Harrison 2.0 .

You also left off Brandon Tiassum, who supposedly has been putting in a lot of work for the first time in his career.
 
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