Game of Thrones

[wizards8507]

Haven't thought this through, but...

Bran (Night King) warged Dany and made her do all that shit. Night King wins.

 

[IrishLion]

You know, after you win a war and have the people subjugated to your rule it's pretty easy to instill fear without destroying your own nation's capital city and your ancestral keep. You can burn Cersei, give Casterly Rock to a different family, and crack down on the citizenry using your unsullied guard. This also has the added bonus effect of not turning the entirety of your Westeros allies against you.

I generally agree with you, but *in her eyes as a character* the bolded doesn't do anything to make Jon's claim and status less dangerous to her. She's seen that even when she does things the right way, people still gravitate towards Jon.

So even if she handled things orderly and went on a campaign to show the common folk how merciful she can be and DIDN'T burn everything, she would still feel that Jon is just a change-of-heart away from taking it all from her.

The only card she can play at this point is to burn everything to try and maintain control through fear, which is part of her going Mad Queen.

 

[greyhammer90]

Part of her reasoning could be to show Jon and the north men (Sansa). Look what I did to people who surrendered to me. Don't even think about it. Oh the North won't be a part of the 7 kingdoms??!!! Ok we'll see about that. Have the north men who came down to fight for me tell you what I did to these people. You will bend the knee and answer to me or WF will see the same fate as KL.

So Dany destroyed a strategically important and wealthy southern stronghold. That she has stated multiple times is also symbolically important as the seat of the throne. That has hundreds of years of her family history and is her traditional family seat. That's full of women and children that she has always wanted to "save" from tyranny. She did this to send a message to the recently all-but-destroyed and depleted North, and she does this while she has the chosen Northern King's unwavering support.

Airtight.

 

[beryirish]

So Dany destroyed a strategically important and wealthy southern stronghold. That she has stated multiple times is also symbolically important as the seat of the throne. That has hundreds of years of her family history and is her traditional family seat. That's full of women and children that she has always wanted to "save" from tyranny. She did this to send a message to the recently all-but-destroyed and depleted North, and she does this while she has the chosen Northern King's unwavering support.

Airtight.

...it's not like they can't rebuild it, right? Sacrificing a generation so generations to come can prosper, her words. She did just that.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

That's not at all what they did.

It symbolized the blindness of love and its addictive qualities that cause ultimate dispair... Ie, Shakespearean.

Like it or not, this is none of your shows. So enjoy it for what it is and deal with it.

You're all acting like the #notmyoresident liberal idiots... Exact same fallacy.

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Lol. I believe I could do better.

My fan fiction blog has 13 subscribers organically and I've only been writing for 5 years. So....who's the idiot now?

Seriously, it was trash. Your take is trash and there was no despair. They went out holding each other saying "Only Us" with the passionate intensity of one who walks towards death with full acceptance.

 

[SoDakDomer]

I've been cheering for a character for 7 and a half seasons and then after 2 episodes she turns into a violent war criminal and now what? I just don't really feel any way about it. Just well that sucks. It's not the same type of hate I had built up for Joffrey or Cersei that was built over seasons.
That Cersei Jamie ending was so anticlimactic.

 

[wizards8507]

Warging is a thing.
Warging is a thing.
Warging is a thing.
Warging is a thing.
Warging is a thing.

 

[gkIrish]

Side note I am doing incredibly well in a "death pool" I entered with 50+ people. I think I have correctly predicted every death so far and also answered the question "who will sit on the Iron Throne" correctly (no one).

If Grey Worm dies and no one else I think I will have a perfect score. $$$

Edit: Grey Worm * and Dany

 

[beryirish]

Side note I am doing incredibly well in a "death pool" I entered with 50+ people. I think I have correctly predicted every death so far and also answered the question "who will sit on the Iron Throne" correctly (no one).

If Grey Worm dies and no one else I think I will have a perfect score. $$$

lol so you predicted Ep3 was gonna be shit?

 

[BeauBenken]

Rewatching now. The beginning of the episode is good.

Right now all I can think is two things that disappointed me. The Jaime/Cersei arc and so much focus on Arya running away.

If Cersei was so determined to not give up the city, why did she not try to ignite the wildfire she had placed about the city? And for Jaime, all redemption is lost which you can do, but not the way they did it. Like, it took him fucking Brienne to realize that he wanted to go back to his sister who had literally just sent someone to kill him?

Also, maybe I'm missing something, but why was Euron and his fleet just chilling in the bay considering that Dany was not bringing a navy? Could have surrounded Dragonstone. Honestly they could have done anything rather than just being fish in a barrel.

The Dany going mad thing I can live with, but when the bells ring her hatred appears to be directed directly at Cersei. She heads dead on for the Keep and then...NOPE. Gonna kill me some civilians and already surrendered soldiers.


EDIT 1: This is probably the best episode of the season even though it destroys/ruins a good bit of the character arc building/closing that we had in episodes 1, 2, and 4.


EDIT 2: Also what the hell was Euron's motivation(s) this entire series? To be famous for being a part of all this? He wanted to fuck the queen and he's proud that he "killed Jaime Lannister." (Which also ended up not being because of the super mortal wounds he caused Jaime but instead because of 20 tons of stone.)

 

[gkIrish]

lol so you predicted Ep3 was gonna be shit?

Yeah basically haha. Predicted Jorah, Theon, Beric, etc. would die. Figured they wouldn't kill Brienne at all. I think Pod might also be on my death list now that I think about it. But I don't think anyone is close to me unless shit gets really crazy next week.

 

[IrishLax]

Rewatching now. The beginning of the episode is good.

Right now all I can think is two things that disappointed me. The Jaime/Cersei arc and so much focus on Arya running away.

If Cersei was so determined to not give up the city, why did she not try to ignite the wildfire she had placed about the city? And for Jaime, all redemption is lost which you can do, but not the way they did it. Like, it took him fucking Brienne to realize that he wanted to go back to his sister who had literally just sent someone to kill him?

Also, maybe I'm missing something, but why was Euron and his fleet just chilling in the bay considering that Dany was not bringing a navy? Could have surrounded Dragonstone. Honestly they could have done anything rather than just being fish in a barrel.

The Dany going mad thing I can live with, but when the bells ring her hatred appears to be directed directly at Cersei. She heads dead on for the Keep and then...NOPE. Gonna kill me some civilians and already surrendered soldiers.


EDIT 1: This is probably the best episode of the season even though it destroys/ruins a good bit of the character arc building/closing that we had in episodes 1, 2, and 4.


EDIT 2: Also what the hell was Euron's motivation(s) this entire series? To be famous for being a part of all this? He wanted to fuck the queen and he's proud that he "killed Jaime Lannister." (Which also ended up not being because of the super mortal wounds he caused Jaime but instead because of 20 tons of stone.)

Yup, makes literally zero sense from a narrative standpoint.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

"Criticism is bad because you couldn't do better."

And we're the one's spouting fallacies lol.

What? Lol

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Yup, makes literally zero sense from a narrative standpoint.

Love...Addiction...relapse...collapse...

This is 100% literary correct.
(it might not be what "you" like, but it's more than justified)
I don't like it, but I will believe it.

 

[BeauBenken]

Love...Addiction...relapse...collapse...

This is 100% literary correct.
(it might not be what "you" like, but it's more than justified)
I don't like it, but I will believe it.

But they didn't really show why he relapsed. He just did...because....

His arc is now that he took advantage of Brienne of Tarth because he knew she loved him and went back to the woman who literally tried to have him killed. Heck, this could all still be done, but Jaime acted as though he was completely changed until they just up and decide he isn't. His relapse comes suddenly and unexpectedly...which is not good writing. People who experience relapse try to hide it from everyone including themselves. They do not just go straight for the deep end.

 

[greyhammer90]

Warging is a thing.
Warging is a thing.
Warging is a thing.
Warging is a thing.
Warging is a thing.

You might be the sweetest summeriest child in this thread because you still think something fun and unexpected that explains these characters is coming.

 

[wizards8507]

You might be the sweetest summeriest child in this thread because you still think something fun and unexpected that explains these characters is coming.

The only thing I like is Evil Dany and Bran warging her would completely undo that. I'm not speaking from a place of optimism.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

But they didn't really show why he relapsed. He just did...because....

His arc is now that he took advantage of Brienne of Tarth because he knew she loved him and went back to the woman who literally tried to have him killed. Heck, this could all still be done, but Jaime acted as though he was completely changed until they just up and decide he isn't.

WHAT lol.
They showed his blind love over and over again though out the series...this is his longest period of soberness...they mentioned numerous times how he's the "dumbest Lannister" and follow his heart.

THEY LITERALLY showed him riding off after Dany/Jon were prepping to move out to KL.... That whole scene was him realizing that he can't be with Brienne and sit back while Cersei is about to be murdered, he realized that he still loves her above all...

Was there dialogue? Monologue? No...It was all captured in his acting/actions... They set this up day 1, that love would be his ultimate demise...He relapsed one final time...

 

[BeauBenken]

The only thing I like is Evil Dany and Bran warging her would completely undo that. I'm not speaking from a place of optimism.

Let's be honest, Bran's warging ability mattered one time (Hodor) and never again. That's upsetting, but it will remain that way.

 

[wizards8507]

Let's be honest, Bran's warging ability mattered one time (Hodor) and never again. That's upsetting, but it will remain that way.

I'm thinking there must be SOME reason they reminded us of his abilities with the seemingly pointless raven scene in The Long Night.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

One the biggest issues I'm observing from fans is...

There are a lot of people that "visualized" how they wanted it to end, and it's not meeting their beliefs, so instead of following a different path, they just rage quit.

This is more indicative on our society as a whole, I suppose.
"Don't like it? Just reject it."

(and again, I disagree with many choices, NK, Bran, Jaime Cersei, etc...)

 

[gkIrish]

One the biggest issues I'm observing from fans is...

There are a lot of people that "visualized" how they wanted it to end, and it's not meeting their beliefs, so instead of following they just rage quit.

This is more indicative on our society as a whole, I suppose.
"Don't like it? Just reject it."

I feel like you have the opposite perspective, though. "I don't care how it ends...I'm going to like it no matter what because complaining is for pus**es."

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I feel like you have the opposite perspective, though. "I don't care how it ends...I'm going to like it no matter what because complaining is for pus**es."

No, I have hated many, many choices they've made. But, I'm going to accept their decisions and watch and listen. I'll hold out hope GRRM will do something better, but I'm not going to act like a child like a lot of the internet is.

But yes, I am going to "not bitch" like #notmypresident types of people... sorry if you don't like me toughing it out.

 

[BeauBenken]

One the biggest issues I'm observing from fans is...

There are a lot of people that "visualized" how they wanted it to end, and it's not meeting their beliefs, so instead of following a different path, they just rage quit.

This is more indicative on our society as a whole, I suppose.
"Don't like it? Just reject it."

Holy cow. Why are you trying to make this a "problem with society" thing. No one needs the show to end how they want (hell I didn't even know how I wanted it to end...I still don't) but things happening without reason (or terrible reason) is just plain stupid. This show developed story lines and characters for 7 seasons and then many of them disappear or just transform magically in the last season.

 

[greyhammer90]

Shut down the discussion thread boys. Everything can be answered with "It's not your show." #weliveinasociety

 

[ACamp1900]

Good thing they took an extra couple years to get everything right for this season.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Holy cow. Why are you trying to make this a "problem with society" thing. No one needs the show to end how they want (hell I didn't even know how I wanted it to end...I still don't) but things happening without reason (or terrible reason) is just plain stupid. This show developed story lines and characters for 7 seasons and then many of them disappear or just transform magically in the last season.

Dany = always had her moral compass fixated on throne - blinded by power
Jon = never wanted power, just do the right thing
Varys = always conspiring, did him in finally
Tyrion = always wanted "the right ruler" - realized Dany is too much, led to his betrayal
Jorah = died defending his Queen
Euron = died chasing jerseys/pussy
Theon = died back "home"
Sandor = completed his redemption
Qyburn = killed by his Frankenstein
Cersei = only cares about her children/jaime..ultimate "cool customer" that finally breaks in terror in her moment of doom
Jaime = stupid, addicted to love, numerous poor decisions on Cersei's behalf - one finale Shakespearean relapse/downfall

In what way's have any of these "choices" for endings been unjustified? They've all be in the cards...Again, I would have played some differently, but this is a very justifiable ending.

(the REAL issues with the series has been the awful NK and Bran saga...garbage)

 

[ACamp1900]

What's this I'm reading about Gregor being undead or some such??

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I'm thinking there must be SOME reason they reminded us of his abilities with the seemingly pointless raven scene in The Long Night.

Fan theory: Bran warging allowed the NK to locate him.

Personally, I think that's dumb, but this show has become just that.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

(if anyone cares)

The worst writing decision revolves around the NK and his army. The NK was used as a ploy by the writers to...
1) Geographically get Dany to Westeros
2) Set up Jon and Dany - Romance/Conflict

That's it. That was the whole "winter is coming"? - ok, lol