Game of Thrones

[Whiskeyjack]

We get it directors, he's secretive and unsavory, but he doesn't have to be in the shadows in every scene. We are not dumb, we won't get confused.

 

[wizards8507]

\We get it directors, he's secretive and unsavory, but he doesn't have to be in the shadows in every scene. We are not dumb, we won't get confused.

I half-expected him to be in the curtains in Sansa's bedroom after she finished arguing with Arya last night.

 

[woolybug25]

How about how he's Lord of the Vale and yet never sits at the lords table in Winterfell. Always in some corner like he's still an inconspicuous commoner.

We get it directors, he's secretive and unsavory, but he doesn't have to be in the shadows in every scene. We are not dumb, we won't get confused.

Every time I remember that he is literally the Lord of The Vale it blows my mind. I'm not sure if the show understated it or if Littlefucker being the head of one of the most prestigious families in Westoros is too much for my mind to handle.

 

[pumpdog20]

I'm a very casual viewer of the show. I don't worry about plots, or future strategies, just the current show and the bewbs.

With that said, I thoroughly enjoy this thread as it helps put the story in context for me.

 

[IrishLion]

Every time I remember that he is literally the Lord of The Vale it blows my mind. I'm not sure if the show understated it or if Littlefucker being the head of one of the most prestigious families in Westoros is too much for my mind to handle.

I think the show has understated it, massively.

Like Wiz said, it's lost in translation from the books. The books make a much bigger deal about Jon Arryn, the title "Lord of the Vale," the fact that the Lord of the Vale is the Warden of the East to the ruler of the Iron Throne (aka, a big fuggin deal), and the fact that once Robin ascends to "Lord of the Vale," it's almost a doomsday scenario because he's a sickly child with no brains and an insane mother, and all the power at his fingertips is now on the most unstable ground imaginable.

Plus, the books give so much detail and intrigue, that you can see what a massive accomplishment it is for LF to have won over the many lords of the vale, despite being an outsider. It's why the books are so great; it's less about the battles, and more about the super-intriguing political maneuvering. The attraction to the books, for me, is quite literally "the game of thrones," and the Littlefinger/Vale storyline is like the Eastern (and eventually Northern, probably) edition.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

Not sure if they would use this aspect of the storyline, but Arya has a huge advantage in her game with Littlefinger: Bran would know all about Littlefinger's scheming (current and going back to the plot to kill Bran and the betrayal of Ned).

Bran and Arya were closer in character when they were younger. Bran re-gifted the dagger to Arya for a purpose.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Not sure if they would use this aspect of the storyline, but Arya has a huge advantage in her game with Littlefinger: Bran would know all about Littlefinger's scheming (current and going back to the plot to kill Bran and the betrayal of Ned).

Bran and Arya were closer in character when they were younger. Bran re-gifted the dagger to Arya for a purpose.

This is literally my only hope...There are too many reasons for Arya to not fall into this trap...If she does...then the writers deserve all the criticisms they will get.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Not sure if they would use this aspect of the storyline, but Arya has a huge advantage in her game with Littlefinger: Bran would know all about Littlefinger's scheming (current and going back to the plot to kill Bran and the betrayal of Ned).

Bran and Arya were closer in character when they were younger. Bran re-gifted the dagger to Arya for a purpose.

I missed out on all of last week's discussion since I couldn't watch episode 4 until Saturday night, so apologies if this was mentioned previously. Bran's comment that "chaos is a ladder" seemed like a clear indication he knows all about Littlefinger's machinations. But he apparently hasn't shared much of anything with his sisters yet. Hopefully there's a good reason for that; would be a shame if it's just a McGuffin to generate some cheap conflict between Sansa and Arya.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

I missed out on all of last week's discussion since I couldn't watch episode 4 until Saturday night, so apologies if this was mentioned previously. Bran's comment that "chaos is a ladder" seemed like a clear indication he knows all about Littlefinger's machinations. But he apparently hasn't shared much of anything with his sisters yet. Hopefully there's a good reason for that; would be a shame if it's just a McGuffin to generate some cheap conflict between Sansa and Arya.

Yes, it was discussed.

It is clear that Bran knows, and Bran's echoing of Littlefinger's comment on "chaos" to Varys clearly unsettled Littlefinger. If the writers decide that Bran for some reason neglects to tell his sisters of Littlefinger's scheming, that would be nonsensical.


General comment about the episode:
Thought it was fantastic, other than the very beginning. Jamie resurfacing over a 1/4 mile downriver from the carnage was lazy inexplicable plot armor. Wearing mail and having a gold hand, not sure:
1)how he managed to get that far under water (it is Kal Drogo's actor that is Aquaman, not Jamie's)
2)and if he did resurface for air, why the Dothraki weren't actually trying to find him - he is a pretty valuable hostage (even just for the gold hand)

As was suggested somewhere else: would have made more sense for him to have been captured, and then send him back to Cersei with the message about a temporary halt to the conflict.

Looking forward to Jamie offing Qyburn. The disdain grows each episode

 

[zelezo vlk]

Yes, it was discussed.

It is clear that Bran knows, and Bran's echoing of Littlefinger's comment on "chaos" to Varys clearly unsettled Littlefinger. If the writers decide that Bran for some reason neglects to tell his sisters of Littlefinger's scheming, that would be nonsensical.


General comment about the episode:
Thought it was fantastic, other than the very beginning. Jamie resurfacing over a 1/4 mile downriver from the carnage was lazy inexplicable plot armor. Wearing mail and having a gold hand, not sure:
1)how he managed to get that far under water (it is Kal Drogo's actor that is Aquaman, not Jamie's)
2)and if he did resurface for air, why the Dothraki weren't actually trying to find him - he is a pretty valuable hostage (even just for the gold hand)

As was suggested somewhere else: would have made more sense for him to have been captured, and then send him back to Cersei with the message about a temporary halt to the conflict.

Looking forward to Jamie offing Qyburn. The disdain grows each episode

Clearly plot armor is buoyant enough to counteract the real armor Jaime was wearing.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Yes, it was discussed.

It is clear that Bran knows, and Bran's echoing of Littlefinger's comment on "chaos" to Varys clearly unsettled Littlefinger. If the writers decide that Bran for some reason neglects to tell his sisters of Littlefinger's scheming, that would be nonsensical.


General comment about the episode:
Thought it was fantastic, other than the very beginning. Jamie resurfacing over a 1/4 mile downriver from the carnage was lazy inexplicable plot armor. Wearing mail and having a gold hand, not sure:
1)how he managed to get that far under water (it is Kal Drogo's actor that is Aquaman, not Jamie's)
2)and if he did resurface for air, why the Dothraki weren't actually trying to find him - he is a pretty valuable hostage (even just for the gold hand)

As was suggested somewhere else: would have made more sense for him to have been captured, and then send him back to Cersei with the message about a temporary halt to the conflict.

Looking forward to Jamie offing Qyburn. The disdain grows each episode

I did have to suspend my disbelief with that scene. A man just charged at Daenerys with a spear and another man smashed into him at the last second and they both fell in the water and Daenerys was like, "meh, I'll just fly my dragon away and let bygones be..."

Not to mention, her entire hoard of soldiers managed to miss that moment/were too busy looting.

 

[greyhammer90]

Looking forward to Jamie offing Qyburn. The disdain grows each episode

I forgot to mention this. His saying Ser Jaime every time they meet is a clear buildup to a punchline. Can't wait.

 

[zelezo vlk]

 

[IrishLax]

Yes, it was discussed.

It is clear that Bran knows, and Bran's echoing of Littlefinger's comment on "chaos" to Varys clearly unsettled Littlefinger. If the writers decide that Bran for some reason neglects to tell his sisters of Littlefinger's scheming, that would be nonsensical.


General comment about the episode:
Thought it was fantastic, other than the very beginning. Jamie resurfacing over a 1/4 mile downriver from the carnage was lazy inexplicable plot armor. Wearing mail and having a gold hand, not sure:
1)how he managed to get that far under water (it is Kal Drogo's actor that is Aquaman, not Jamie's)
2)and if he did resurface for air, why the Dothraki weren't actually trying to find him - he is a pretty valuable hostage (even just for the gold hand)

As was suggested somewhere else: would have made more sense for him to have been captured, and then send him back to Cersei with the message about a temporary halt to the conflict.

Looking forward to Jamie offing Qyburn. The disdain grows each episode

Ain't no armor like plot armor... obviously, it makes zero sense for them not to have done everything in their power to capture him or recover his body... he's literally the most valuable hostage you could take.

 

[zelezo vlk]

 

[woolybug25]

Interestingly enough, none of us mentioned the fact that Cersei is preggers.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Interestingly enough, none of us mentioned the fact that Cersei is preggers.

Do we think she really is? I think it may be a ploy to keep Jaime close.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Interestingly enough, none of us mentioned the fact that Cersei is preggers.

Or so she claims. Given how far along Jaime's redemptive story arc has progressed by ADwD, I have a hard time imagining him reconciling with Cersei and impregnating her in GRRM's canon. So I suspect this may be a D&D novelty to show Cersei trying to manipulate Jaime; would help explain the cold, "Don't ever betray me again" at the end of that scene.

 

[woolybug25]

Or so she claims. Given how far along Jaime's redemptive story arc has progressed by ADwD, I have a hard time imagining him reconciling with Cersei and impregnating her in GRRM's canon. So I suspect this may be a D&D novelty to show Cersei trying to manipulate Jaime; would help explain the cold, "Don't ever betray me again" at the end of that scene.

Interesting. Well, a fake pregnancy would be hard to fake after a few weeks, so I imagine in the show at least, she is indeed preggers. That being said, we all know she won't actually have it per prophecy. So maybe that miscarriage or whatever is what finally puts Jamie over the edge and he chokes her out?

 

[wizards8507]

Or so she claims. Given how far along Jaime's redemptive story arc has progressed by ADwD, I have a hard time imagining him reconciling with Cersei and impregnating her in GRRM's canon. So I suspect this may be a D&D novelty to show Cersei trying to manipulate Jaime; would help explain the cold, "Don't ever betray me again" at the end of that scene.

That's what I thought at first, but Qyburn leaving the room right before Jamie entered made me think that she is, in fact, pregnant.

 

[zelezo vlk]

That's what I thought at first, but Qyburn leaving the room right before Jamie entered made me think that she is, in fact, pregnant.

Or she was requesting cleansing from Qyburn

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That's what I thought at first, but Qyburn leaving the room right before Jamie entered made me think that she is, in fact, pregnant.

Interesting. Well, a fake pregnancy would be hard to fake after a few weeks, so I imagine in the show at least, she is indeed preggers. That being said, we all know she won't actually have it per prophecy. So maybe that miscarriage or whatever is what finally puts Jamie over the edge and he chokes her out?

Cersei aborting Jaime's child without consulting him could provoke him into choking her as well.

Speaking of, someone will need to put Jaime's head on this one ASAP:

 

[wizards8507]

Sansa's letter. This is the one that Cersei had forced her to write all the way back in Season 1.

 

[woolybug25]

Sansa's letter. This is the one that Cersei had forced her to write all the way back in Season 1.

This is the third time this has been posted. Try to keep up, Wiz.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I'm still catching up, watching episode 5 now, so I'm not qualified to comment on the happenings in the episode. However, I'm struck by how good the CG animation is and how far it's come just in the course of this show. A lot of it is almost indistinguishable from live/real stuff if you don't know it had to be CG. Castles and cities no longer look like miniature sets. Dragons and ravens, especially their movements and even the tiniest details of their appearance, just look real. I still find many of the scenes where ships are sailing across water to look a bit artificial, but so much of the rest is just amazingly well done.

 

[GATTACA!]

This is literally my only hope...There are too many reasons for Arya to not fall into this trap...If she does...then the writers deserve all the criticisms they will get.

Bran knows and just doesn't care. This little squabble is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Remember the real Bran Stark died in that cave.

Plus really should Arya be able to beat Littlefinger in the game of thrones? He's been doing this shit at the highest level for 30 years. His literally schemed his way into being the lord of the Vale. As others have stated that's a giant title.

Arya is a 15 year old girl IRL. Her character has always been my least favorite in the show. Every time they show her doing all this assassin stuff I just roll my eyes. She's a little girl, 6 months in Braavos isn't going to turn her into a killing machine. She fought Brienne to a stalemate, like come on lol.

 

[greyhammer90]

Cersei aborting Jaime's child without consulting him could provoke him into choking her as well.

Or at least one really good hit

 

[IrishLion]

Plus really should Arya be able to beat Littlefinger in the game of thrones? He's been doing this shit at the highest level for 30 years. His literally schemed his way into being the lord of the Vale. As others have stated that's a giant title.

Arya is a 15 year old girl IRL. Her character has always been my least favorite in the show. Every time they show her doing all this assassin stuff I just roll my eyes. She's a little girl, 6 months in Braavos isn't going to turn her into a killing machine. She fought Brienne to a stalemate, like come on lol.

On one hand you talk about the "underselling" of Littlefinger, and then on the next you massively undersell the Faceless Men haha.

6 months under Jaqen H'ghar >>>>> 30 years in King's Landing and the Fingers, scheming among people who are actually and generally pretty easily fooled (notable exceptions: Tywin, Cersei Lannister).

The Faceless Men have been hacking the unhackable and serving the Many-Faced God for a loooooooooong time. That knowledge and experience being passed down to their disciples, regardless of the time frame, is no joke.

 

[IrishLax]

Bran knows and just doesn't care. This little squabble is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Remember the real Bran Stark died in that cave.

Plus really should Arya be able to beat Littlefinger in the game of thrones? He's been doing this shit at the highest level for 30 years. His literally schemed his way into being the lord of the Vale. As others have stated that's a giant title.

Arya is a 15 year old girl IRL. Her character has always been my least favorite in the show. Every time they show her doing all this assassin stuff I just roll my eyes. She's a little girl, 6 months in Braavos isn't going to turn her into a killing machine. She fought Brienne to a stalemate, like come on lol.

Which is what would cause him to underestimate her and get #rekt

 

[woolybug25]

On one hand you talk about the "underselling" of Littlefinger, and then on the next you massively undersell the Faceless Men haha.

6 months under Jaqen H'ghar >>>>> 30 years in King's Landing and the Fingers, scheming among people who are actually and generally pretty easily fooled (notable exceptions: Tywin, Cersei Lannister).

The Faceless Men have been hacking the unhackable and serving the Many-Faced God for a loooooooooong time. That knowledge and experience being passed down to their disciples, regardless of the time frame, is no joke.

pfft... Gattaca is clearly not a book reader...