Game of Thrones

[GATTACA!]

Haha true but Theon is a capable swordsmen and Euron is cocky as shit which, as we know, can get you killed in a trial by combat. I'm just struggling to see where they take his story.

Not missing half his fingers.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I dont read the wikis and fan sites on GoT but last season I started to see Daenarys getting a little unbalanced now and again. Based on Martin's description of the end as bittersweet, does anyone else see her slipping into full mental Targaryen mode between now and the end? It seems like most people see this coming down to some kind of relationship between her and Jon but what if she, many peoples favorite, ends up being just like the other mad Targaryens?

You misspelled "worst fucking character"

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Finally got up to date with the show last night, so I can now enjoy this thread again. Things that bothered me:

• Not a fan of how Benioff and Weiss have written Euron as a psychotic loud-mouthed pirate. Martin's Euron is much more menacing.
• They missed an opportunity with Greyworm and Missandei to show something like courtly love, which is somehow elevated by his physical inability to consummate their relationship. But no, they just went ahead and gave them a bog-standard HBO artsy porn scene. You'd think that, with this massive cast, the two men who have literally been castrated might have a decent chance to avoid that fate, but HBO's boob quota spares no one apparently. I look forward to the upcoming orgy between Varys, Greyworm, Missandei and Dany.
• During the after-episode commentary, Weiss made a comment re Dany's war council about how it would have been boring if the scene had been all male actors, but because it showed four powerful women talking about battle, it was super compelling. My eyes just about rolled out of my head. One of the weaknesses of GRRM's books is that all of his characters are basically modern liberals LARPing in medieval England, but the extent to which Benioff and Weis have made the show "The Middle Ages, but Woke" is super obnoxious. #M'lady

But at least the Sand Snakes are dead! Asha and Theon were supposed to be transporting the Tyrell and Dornish armies to King's Landing, right? And it seems like Euron just smashed their entire fleet, so does that mean those two factions have essentially been wiped out? Huge blow to Dany's invasion, if true.

 

[IrishLax]

Finally got up to date with the show last night, so I can now enjoy this thread again. Things that bothered me:

• Not a fan of how Benioff and Weiss have written Euron as a psychotic loud-mouthed pirate. Martin's Euron is much more menacing.
• They missed an opportunity with Greyworm and Missandei to show something like courtly love, which is somehow elevated by his physical inability to consummate their relationship. But no, they just went ahead and gave them a bog-standard HBO artsy porn scene. You'd think that, with this massive cast, the two men who have literally been castrated might have a decent chance to avoid that fate, but HBO's boob quota spares no one apparently. I look forward to the upcoming orgy between Varys, Greyworm, Missandei and Dany.
• During the after-episode commentary, Weiss made a comment re Dany's war council about how it would have been boring if the scene had been all male actors, but because it showed four powerful women talking about battle, it was super compelling. My eyes just about rolled out of my head. One of the weaknesses of GRRM's books is that all of his characters are basically modern liberals LARPing in medieval England, but the extent to which Benioff and Weis have made the show "The Middle Ages, but Woke" is super obnoxious. #M'lady

But at least the Sand Snakes are dead! Asha and Theon were supposed to be transporting the Tyrell and Dornish armies to King's Landing, right? And it seems like Euron just smashed their entire fleet, so does that mean those two factions have essentially been wiped out? Huge blow to Dany's invasion, if true.

This is because of the shit they got after the show got so popular that it became mainstream and the progressive blogosphere started bitching about evvvvvverything from how women were treated to the skin color of characters to you name it.

 

[Luckylucci]

Finally got up to date with the show last night, so I can now enjoy this thread again. Things that bothered me:

• Not a fan of how Benioff and Weiss have written Euron as a psychotic loud-mouthed pirate. Martin's Euron is much more menacing.
• They missed an opportunity with Greyworm and Missandei to show something like courtly love, which is somehow elevated by his physical inability to consummate their relationship. But no, they just went ahead and gave them a bog-standard HBO artsy porn scene. You'd think that, with this massive cast, the two men who have literally been castrated might have a decent chance to avoid that fate, but HBO's boob quota spares no one apparently. I look forward to the upcoming orgy between Varys, Greyworm, Missandei and Dany.
• During the after-episode commentary, Weiss made a comment re Dany's war council about how it would have been boring if the scene had been all male actors, but because it showed four powerful women talking about battle, it was super compelling. My eyes just about rolled out of my head. One of the weaknesses of GRRM's books is that all of his characters are basically modern liberals LARPing in medieval England, but the extent to which Benioff and Weis have made the show "The Middle Ages, but Woke" is super obnoxious. #M'lady

But at least the Sand Snakes are dead! Asha and Theon were supposed to be transporting the Tyrell and Dornish armies to King's Landing, right? And it seems like Euron just smashed their entire fleet, so does that mean those two factions have essentially been wiped out? Huge blow to Dany's invasion, if true.

That's how I took it. There was that shot where Yara takes a brief moment to look around and realizes the incredible destruction that was taking place. I assumed that was there to show that there weren't going to be survivors.

 

[greyhammer90]

Just saw a video that reminded me of this thread:

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[Whiskeyjack]

Just saw a video that reminded me of this thread.

Seen some good stuff from that guy. Like this video about games where your choices don't really matter:

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[greyhammer90]

Seen some good stuff from that guy. Like this video about games where your choices don't really matter:

Not to get too off track, but this is my favorite of his. So many JRPGs, particularly Seymour from FFX:

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[SouthSideChiDomer]

Finally got up to date with the show last night, so I can now enjoy this thread again. Things that bothered me:

• Not a fan of how Benioff and Weiss have written Euron as a psychotic loud-mouthed pirate. Martin's Euron is much more menacing.
• They missed an opportunity with Greyworm and Missandei to show something like courtly love, which is somehow elevated by his physical inability to consummate their relationship. But no, they just went ahead and gave them a bog-standard HBO artsy porn scene. You'd think that, with this massive cast, the two men who have literally been castrated might have a decent chance to avoid that fate, but HBO's boob quota spares no one apparently. I look forward to the upcoming orgy between Varys, Greyworm, Missandei and Dany.
• During the after-episode commentary, Weiss made a comment re Dany's war council about how it would have been boring if the scene had been all male actors, but because it showed four powerful women talking about battle, it was super compelling. My eyes just about rolled out of my head. One of the weaknesses of GRRM's books is that all of his characters are basically modern liberals LARPing in medieval England, but the extent to which Benioff and Weis have made the show "The Middle Ages, but Woke" is super obnoxious. #M'lady

But at least the Sand Snakes are dead! Asha and Theon were supposed to be transporting the Tyrell and Dornish armies to King's Landing, right? And it seems like Euron just smashed their entire fleet, so does that mean those two factions have essentially been wiped out? Huge blow to Dany's invasion, if true.

From how I understood it, the fleet was on it's way to Dorne to pick up the Dornish troops, so only the troops and boats that Yara and Theon brought with them from the Iron Islands are destroyed, though Dorne did effectively lose its leader because Ellaria is now Euron's prisoner. Dany does still have the ships that came with the unsullied, but their original plan is now useless because they can't do both of getting the unsullied to Casterly Rock and the Dornish and Tyrell troops to Kings Landing.

 

[IrishLax]

Not to get too off track, but this is my favorite of his. So many JRPGs, particularly Seymour from FFX:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/DN9DW4rrEjY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

My god that dude is hilarious AF. I just watched all 50 of his "skits"...

 

[Bishop2b5]

One of the weaknesses of GRRM's books is that all of his characters are basically modern liberals LARPing in medieval England, but the extent to which Benioff and Weis have made the show "The Middle Ages, but Woke" is super obnoxious. #M'lady

Yeah, this is one of my pet peeves too. I hate shows & movies that try to apply today's values/pc views/enlightenment to characters of a bygone era. The Legend Of Tarzan was even worse about doing this than GOT. One of the things I found most enjoyable about Mad Men was how authentically they portrayed the values & views of that era, even when they were incredibly out of step with those of today.

 

[woolybug25]

Finally got up to date with the show last night, so I can now enjoy this thread again. Things that bothered me:

• Not a fan of how Benioff and Weiss have written Euron as a psychotic loud-mouthed pirate. Martin's Euron is much more menacing.
• They missed an opportunity with Greyworm and Missandei to show something like courtly love, which is somehow elevated by his physical inability to consummate their relationship. But no, they just went ahead and gave them a bog-standard HBO artsy porn scene. You'd think that, with this massive cast, the two men who have literally been castrated might have a decent chance to avoid that fate, but HBO's boob quota spares no one apparently. I look forward to the upcoming orgy between Varys, Greyworm, Missandei and Dany.
• During the after-episode commentary, Weiss made a comment re Dany's war council about how it would have been boring if the scene had been all male actors, but because it showed four powerful women talking about battle, it was super compelling. My eyes just about rolled out of my head. One of the weaknesses of GRRM's books is that all of his characters are basically modern liberals LARPing in medieval England, but the extent to which Benioff and Weis have made the show "The Middle Ages, but Woke" is super obnoxious. #M'lady

But at least the Sand Snakes are dead! Asha and Theon were supposed to be transporting the Tyrell and Dornish armies to King's Landing, right? And it seems like Euron just smashed their entire fleet, so does that mean those two factions have essentially been wiped out? Huge blow to Dany's invasion, if true.

Couple things:

- I don't think there is enough of the series left to continue the "courtly love" anymore. They've been doing that for a couple seasons now with those two and they are secondary characters. They've served their purpose up to this point and I don't know what else the story can do other than show us them beautiful tit-tays and kill Greyworm in an epic battle. One down...

- I get your "Middle Ages but woke" issue, but it's not the Middle Ages. It's not England. It's a fictional world witj functional similarities to medieval England (and many other time periods, cultures). So I don't think it's really fair to dog on GRRM or the show for not being true to societal concepts of a culture they aren't representing.

 

[IrishLion]

I agree with Wooly on the society/liberalism thing.

GRRM built a world where women can be as powerful as men as long as they play the game to their strengths. It never felt like a forced commentary or over-correction in his writing to me... it felt, to me, that powerful women in his world are normal and fit in just fine, without any preaching or veiled commentary on the real world. They succeed when they're smart and ruthless, and they fail when they are bested by their counterparts, who are smarter and more ruthless, which is how it goes for all of the characters in his world.

The show is a different story, but that's on them for the statements they make, not GRRM for the world be built.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I don't think there is enough of the series left to continue the "courtly love" anymore. They've been doing that for a couple seasons now with those two and they are secondary characters. They've served their purpose up to this point and I don't know what else the story can do other than show us them beautiful tit-tays and kill Greyworm in an epic battle.

That's fair, as far as it goes, but Benioff and Weiss are constantly emphasizing how the time constraints inherent in this medium have forced them to cut a lot of content/ characters they wanted to include. So why do we need to spend precious screen time, 10% of an entire episode, on a non-canonical romance that includes a castrated man? And if they insist on including this storyline, why does it have to climax in such a cliched porny way? I'm beyond getting worked up about this kinda stuff by now, but that scene was a particularly good example of how HBO's boob quota twists the narrative in weird and counter-productive ways.

I get your "Middle Ages but woke" issue, but it's not the Middle Ages. It's not England. It's a fictional world witj functional similarities to medieval England (and many other time periods, cultures). So I don't think it's really fair to dog on GRRM or the show for not being true to societal concepts of a culture they aren't representing.

The show is a different story, but that's on them for the statements they make, not GRRM for the world be built.

My complaint is mostly directed at Benioff at Weiss. I mentioned GRRM as an attempt to be more fair to them, since the seeds of it are present in the source material (which, for the record, are still my favorite fiction books). I've mentioned before that my favorite aspect of the books is the gritty realism GRRM is able to impart via his deep knowledge of history, so I'm particularly sensitive to liberal retconning of medieval culture. Others likely enjoyed the books for different reasons, so it's understandable that most likely won't find this criticism persuasive.

But getting back to Benioff and Weiss, I think Lax is right that we'll likely see more blatantly feminist tropes shoe-horned into the show because of the blowback they received last season, which is largely the fault of the producers. Lots of the most brutal stuff in Westeros happens off-stage in the books, but Benioff & Weiss chose to show everything on screen, even gratuitously adding to the brutality at times. They took the Red Wedding, one of the most effective literary gut-punches I've ever experienced, and decided it wasn't bad enough, so they added a close up of Rob's very pregnant wife getting stabbed in the belly multiple times. Theon's torture by Ramsey all happens on screen, as do his multiple rapes of Sansa. None of that stuff needed to be shown in gruesome high-definition, but it was, so now GRRM's narrative is going to be mangled even further by a feminist reaction.

 

[IrishLax]

I'll also say I think they screwed up Euron. He's like a caricature of what he should be. He's far too loud and brash, and he'd be much more menacing if he had the same wit/guile with more cold calculation and ambition. Instead he runs around like a court jester.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'll also say I think they screwed up Euron. He's like a caricature of what he should be. He's far too loud and brash, and he'd be much more menacing if he had the same wit/guile with more cold calculation and ambition. Instead he runs around like a court jester.

When did this:

... become hotter than this:

 

[ClausentoTate]

Randomly watched the episode in Season 3 where Melisandre met Arya while she was briefly with the Brotherhood. She saw within Arya the eyes of people she would slay (as well as a darkness) and said she saw them meeting again...

Makes me think Arya will continue North and then make her way to Dragonstone with Jon. I don't see Melisandre going to Kings Landing or the North again anytime soon.

 

[wizards8507]

Bran is OP.

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[wizards8507]

RIP Jamie's redemption arc.

 

[IrishLion]

Bran is OP.

Did I miss something in his comments to Sansa?

RIP Jamie's redemption arc.

Idk, the guilty party is gone now. Maybe the knowledge that Tyrion didn't do it will be enough to keep him balanced.

Then, when Cersei goes nuts about trying to get revenge on a dead old lady, Jaime sees how crazy she really is, and his turnaround is fully engaged.

 

[IrishLion]

Didn't like Cersei's "why did you do it?" moment of weakness during her monologue to Ellaria. I understand they need to show cracks in the foundation, and Cersei needs to look vulnerable at some point, but this felt clumsy.

I liked the back-and-forth between Jon and Dany. I could watch political maneuvering between tentative allies all day, especially when points of emphasis are "dragons" and "ice zombies."

Davos' speech on what Jon has done for everyone around him got me fired up to join a Northern house.

Also: WTF is that bombshell about Melisandre needing to return to Westeros to die, and why does the same apply to Varys???

Some connection to the strange gods and the magic that has touched them?

 

[wizards8507]

Did I miss something in his comments to Sansa?

He can see everything in the past or present, no weirwoods required.

 

[phillyirish]

So Eurons basically stepped into the void left but Ramsey as the bad guy of unrelenting success. Capable of taking a (relatively) minor house and making them more significant than all the major Lords. Nice to see them take the Westeros version of Blackbeard and turn him into Haratio Nelson. Pretty much gotta treat this show like a soap opera, with its shoehorned uneeded romances and a superior villain popping up when the last one dies.

Jaime's Arc is still alive and well. Probably end up with something like him confronting Enron who's banging Cersie only to have Euron woop his ass. Jaime will probably then go into exile broken both in heart and physically over to Jon's camp.

 

[IrishLax]

Great episode.

-Highgarden just totally imploding on itself makes no sense. You could not take a castle that quickly, and they have way more troops than what was portrayed. Just lock the gates and make them siege.
-Loved the way Cersei dealt with the Ellaria sand. Perfect.
-Euron still kind of sucks but at least they're owning the brazen don't-give-a-fuck attitude. Some of his dialogue is pretty funny.
-Olenna Tyrell telling Jaime that she killed Joffrey was pretty crucial because it sets up Jaime and Tyrion coming into cahoots.
-Jon and Dany interaction was pretty good. Dunno if I like the way things are heading with Sansa up north... seems contrived.
-So by my count they're saying Dorne and the Stormlands are basically irrelevant to this conflict, and the Riverlands might as well be irrelevant too with the Freys dead. The Vale and the North are for Dany; and the Reach, Iron Islands, Westerlands, Crownlands are for Cersei. It's kind of amazing how badly they've fucked this up... their bumbling almost doesn't even make sense.

 

[Henges24]

So Eurons basically stepped into the void left but Ramsey as the bad guy of unrelenting success. Capable of taking a (relatively) minor house and making them more significant than all the major Lords. Nice to see them take the Westeros version of Blackbeard and turn him into Haratio Nelson. Pretty much gotta treat this show like a soap opera, with its shoehorned uneeded romances and a superior villain popping up when the last one dies.

Jaime's Arc is still alive and well. Probably end up with something like him confronting Enron who's banging Cersie only to have Euron woop his ass. Jaime will probably then go into exile broken both in heart and physically over to Jon's camp.

I could definitely see this happen. There's a reason he's been a likeable character. I'd rather see him die at the fate of his own House though.

 

[phillyirish]

Great episode.

-Highgarden just totally imploding on itself makes no sense. You could not take a castle that quickly, and they have way more troops than what was portrayed. Just lock the gates and make them siege.
-Loved the way Cersei dealt with the Ellaria sand. Perfect.
-Euron still kind of sucks but at least they're owning the brazen don't-give-a-fuck attitude. Some of his dialogue is pretty funny.
-Olenna Tyrell telling Jaime that she killed Joffrey was pretty crucial because it sets up Jaime and Tyrion coming into cahoots.
-Jon and Dany interaction was pretty good. Dunno if I like the way things are heading with Sansa up north... seems contrived.
-So by my count they're saying Dorne and the Stormlands are basically irrelevant to this conflict, and the Riverlands might as well be irrelevant too with the Freys dead. The Vale and the North are for Dany; and the Reach, Iron Islands, Westerlands, Crownlands are for Cersei. It's kind of amazing how badly they've fucked this up... their bumbling almost doesn't even make sense.

This can be partly (maybe 10%) be explained by the Fact that it showed Randal Tarly riding with jaime, who is one of the most powerful minor houses in Westeros. Maybe second in the Vale behind House Hightower, who for all intents and purposes, don't exist on the show. But the other 90% reasoning behind this is that the Geopolitical landscape of Game of Thrones (show) is basically a joke.

 

[greyhammer90]

Great episode.

DB&DBW have made this show so dumb that its actually beginning to collapse on itself because it doesn't have the structural support necessary for anything to make sense anymore.

FTFY. Maybe wasting the audience's time with go nowhere plots for the last 3 seasons wasn't a great idea?

Btw its possible to believe both of those sentences at once.

 

[wizards8507]

FTFY. Maybe wasting the audience's time with go nowhere plots for the last 3 seasons wasn't a great idea?

Btw its possible to believe both of those sentences at once.

Agreed. I'm over it when the show contradicts the books, I really am. But the show has begun to contradict itself on a regular basis. Compare a military campaign from Season 2 with last night's sack of Highgarden. The entire Lannister army was dressed like Jamie the Kingslayer. There were no tents or siege equipment or supplies of any kind. No evidence of the grueling march from King's Landing (760 miles) or Casterly Rock (closer, but still far). Just a golden army like you'd see in an Age of Empires video game.

 

[IrishLion]

Ya'll just glossing over Melisandre blowing Varys' mind with that whole "you know we both need to die in Westeros in the end" thing?

That's an end-game setup with lights, sirens, and neon signs.

 

[dublinirish]

Agreed. I'm over it when the show contradicts the books, I really am. But the show has begun to contradict itself on a regular basis. Compare a military campaign from Season 2 with last night's sack of Highgarden. The entire Lannister army was dressed like Jamie the Kingslayer. There were no tents or siege equipment or supplies of any kind. No evidence of the grueling march from King's Landing (760 miles) or Casterly Rock (closer, but still far). Just a golden army like you'd see in an Age of Empires video game.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...ode-3-review-the-queens-justice/#4c94136b15fe

yeah sure they have been doing that a lot recently. yara and Theon getting to Essos in ten minutes when it took others in previous seasons months to get there etc

I've been complaining about magical fast travel lately, and I think at a certain point we just have to accept that Game of Thrones has simply abandoned any pretense at "sensible chronology" or "travel time" "distance" and so forth. Last week Jon Snow was in Winterfell; this week he's at Dragonstone. And yet, it's only after he's at Dragonstone that Daenerys learns of the loss of Yara's fleet and the fate of Ellaria. A battle that must have taken place only days away from Dragonstone is discovered....weeks later? It would take Jon Snow at least a couple weeks to travel all the way from Winterfell to Dragonstone, even with "kind winds." Possibly much longer.