Game of Thrones

[IrishLion]

This was probably the best battle scene in the entire series. Really impressed by the CGI of the dragon, looked real organic.

I agree. Their CGI peeps are worlds ahead of where they were two seasons ago in terms of the dragons.

Even Dany riding the dragon looked natural, and that was the worst part of previous animations.

 

[greyhammer90]

WHEN have I ever complained about this show before? And I loved the episode... I SPECIFICALLY said that battle was painful to watch... And again, if HBO is going to give us a shorter season, I am fine with "speeding the plot up". I am just saying that I am bamboozled with the carelessness of either Dany and/or the directing.

Not allowed. If you have criticisms, it means you hate it. You are therefore a troll or have too much free time to watch something you hate.

 

[IrishLion]

One other thing I meant to nitpick, BUT IN A TOTALLY FUN WAY:

The Children of the Forest went with standard cave painting and pattern drawing. A lot of simple shapes, lines, and stick figures.

But then they contracted someone who was OBVIOUSLY a legitimate artist to render those White Walker cave paintings. That shit was detailed and really well done. Totally different than their half-assed human drawings.

 

[woolybug25]

I disagree. I don't hate the show but I think it's gone considerably down hill once the writers passed book material to base their work on. And after investing significant time reading the books and first 6 season, your damn right I'm going to see this thing out. Your blind fanboy defense of the show is just as pretentious as the excessive nitpicking that you contempt.

It's not "blind fanboy", I have made criticisms myself. But I think it's important not to turn the thread into a constant barrage of negativity. It's not conducive to good conversation about plot, etc. I think just coming on here and "mind dumping" every mental note you took of stuff you didn't like is a lazy ass way of discussing the show.

I just don't get why people have to ruin everyone else's time because they don't like the show? To each their own, but there is no amount of time that I would watch a show that would make me want to continue watching it if I felt it wasn't good anymore. There are a handful of people on here doing just that. Watching a show they hate each week, making notes of things in particular they hate, then taking the time to post it in efforts to get others to join in their misery. It's a pretty weird thing to do.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

It's not "blind fanboy", I have made criticisms myself. But I think it's important not to turn the thread into a constant barrage of negativity. It's not conducive to good conversation about plot, etc. I think just coming on here and "mind dumping" every mental note you took of stuff you didn't like is a lazy ass way of discussing the show.

I just don't get why people have to ruin everyone else's time because they don't like the show? To each their own, but there is no amount of time that I would watch a show that would make me want to continue watching it if I felt it wasn't good anymore. There are a handful of people on here doing just that. Watching a show they hate each week, making notes of things in particular they hate, then taking the time to post it in efforts to get others to join in their misery. It's a pretty weird thing to do.

I am enjoying the fuck out of this show. I am not complaining about the "show" just details that are sloppy.

For example, this battle, as I've been pointing out...

If they really are trying to make Dany look "battle inexperienced" then they are doing an awful job about it... I know she gets herself into bad situations because of her heart...But, they are overdoing it.

Like sending cavalry into a line of spears when she has a dragon that can burn the line down...Like burning pre-harvested grain when she has a starving army??

It's one thing to show inexperience, it's another to make her look like she's got an IQ below 80. She is an intelligent leader after all.

 

[IrishLax]

I agree, but additionally in this case, the battle wasn't in The Reach proper. It happened near at the edge of The Reach off of Rose Road near King's Landing. As Randyll Tarly told Jaime that they had just taken the gold through the gates of King's Landing. So they must be near it. Which means... it is not only possible, but completely rational that the Lannister army would be cut off right before King's Landing if Dany left from Dragonstone.

Yes, realistically what would happen... given that the entire army is on horseback and she can fly... is that they'd ferry the army down Blackwater Bay and drop them off outside the Kingswood.

Jaime would be coming up the Roseroad to the Mud Gate, and is attacked right on Blackwater Rush outside of King's Landing (why he falls in the river)... which means the Dothraki likely ambushed him from the east or south. East if they dropped them off outside the Kingswood and road up on King's Landing, south if they sailed them a bit further down the Wendwater and came up the Kingsroad behind them. The Dothraki could've closed the gap on him from out-of-sight to in a matter of hours (and if you consider you have a dragon rider they could even gobble up scouts before they could ride back to report and the lead time would be short enough that they wouldn't notice "where'd my scouts go"). The attack is exactly where you'd want to execute it because:
1. They're trapped with their backs to the river. There is little option to retreat and a tactical advantage to their standing position.
2. It's a display of superiority right outside of King's Landing that'll send a message to any onlookers that they are effed.
3. It'll be when they're most tired after a 1000 mile march (that's about a month of marching). It also gives you the most time to mobilize your troops after getting word of Highgarden's fall.

 

[NOLAIrish]

One other thing I meant to nitpick, BUT IN A TOTALLY FUN WAY:

The Children of the Forest went with standard cave painting and pattern drawing. A lot of simple shapes, lines, and stick figures.

But then they contracted someone who was OBVIOUSLY a legitimate artist to render those White Walker cave paintings. That shit was detailed and really well done. Totally different than their half-assed human drawings.

Jon was in that cave by himself before bringing Dany to see the very convenient proof of his story that he'd just "discovered." Just saying...

 

[Bishop2b5]

Maybe I missed it, but was it Bronn who tackled Jaime from the horse and into the water?

 

[dublinirish]

Maybe I missed it, but was it Bronn who tackled Jaime from the horse and into the water?

apparently yes, (according to some reviews/recaps i read online) but when i watched it i presumed it was open to interpretation who his saviour was.

 

[IrishLion]

Jon was in that cave by himself before bringing Dany to see the very convenient proof of his story that he'd just "discovered." Just saying...

Jon Snow: King in the North, Commander of The Wall, Wildling Whisperer, Conqueror of the Hot Redheads, Slayer of the Halfhand, The Hidden Targaryen, The Prince That Was Promised, Friend to the Fat Men, and, perhaps above all, Gifted Artist When Art Is Needed Most

 

[gkIrish]

I liked nearly everything about the episode except for 2 things:

1) Bronn should have died after spearing that fucker. There is literally never going to be a more badass moment for him to perish.

2) The scene with Jon/Davos/Missandei was painful. I felt like I was I was playing Mass Effect and just choosing all the conversations points I am allowed to choose just for shits and giggles. Seriously go back and watch it. They even pause for an extra couple seconds as if to let the viewer make dialogue choices between each line.

The rest of the episode was badass.

 

[gkIrish]

Anyone else think Dany is going to make Tyrion choose between Bronn and Jaime to prove his loyalty? I don't see any other purpose to Bronn at this point.

 

[woolybug25]

Anyone else think Dany is going to make Tyrion choose between Bronn and Jaime to prove his loyalty? I don't see any other purpose to Bronn at this point.

I don't get what you're asking here. Why would choosing between Bronn and Jaime prove loyalty? They both are fighting on the opposite side and Jaime is his brother. Seems like an easy choice for Tyrion as Dany doesn't give two shits about either of them. Why would she care about Bronn in particular?

 

[johnnycando]

Lmfao. You do understand that we're not demanding to actually watch the travel correct? We just want things to make a little bit of sense in terms of timeline. If they jump forward in time to when a huge army would get there to only show the stuff that matters that's fine.

What's annoying is being shown that Euron is in Kings Landing after Dany's navy has long since begun moving towards Casterly Rock. But then they can somehow arrive at the same time. It's cheap because it basically tells the audience "any sense of army placement or military strategy that you are keeping track of in your head is completely worthless." Same thing happened with the Knights of the Vale last season. And even that's ignoring the apparent lack of any scouts in this world to keep up with army movement because everyone is constantly flabergasted when the enemy army arrives over a hill. Even this week did that with the Dothraki. So the Lannister army doesn't have scouts, or don't notice when their scouts stop reporting? Every battle shouldn't be a surprise attack.

If you don't agree that's fine, but don't strawman the criticism just because it doesn't fit with your opinion of the show.

*Back to the show. I also enjoyed the Arya Brienne fight scene. It was fan service, but it was at proper fan service.

Relax Siskell I didn't call you out.

 

[dublinirish]

Bronn strikes me now as a character who will make it to the end. His whole gig is that he is a survivor. After surviving the battle vs Danys and Drogon i doubt hes killed off now

 

[johnnycando]

Bronn strikes me now as a character who will make it to the end. His whole gig is that he is a survivor. After surviving the battle vs Danys and Drogon i doubt hes killed off now

You just killed him.

Hahahaha

 

[greyhammer90]

Relax Siskell I didn't call you out.

I'm an Ebert you uncultured swine.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm an Ebert you uncultured swine.

 

[gkIrish]

I don't get what you're asking here. Why would choosing between Bronn and Jaime prove loyalty? They both are fighting on the opposite side and Jaime is his brother. Seems like an easy choice for Tyrion as Dany doesn't give two shits about either of them. Why would she care about Bronn in particular?

I guess that's true. What if she tells him he can save one or even both but he would not longer be hand. Alternatively they die and he is still the hand?

 

[IrishLion]

I guess that's true. What if she tells him he can save one or even both but he would not longer be hand. Alternatively they die and he is still the hand?

He'd say "Spare them. We can use them. I will forfeit my place as your hand, if I can remain on your council. Ser Davos can be your hand after you bang it out with Jon Snow."

 

[woolybug25]

I guess that's true. What if she tells him he can save one or even both but he would not longer be hand. Alternatively they die and he is still the hand?

I could definitely see that. She is already questioning Tyrion's plans anyway. I could see her wanting Jon as her hand, only to have Jon bang it out and then dip over to the wall.

But seriously, Jorah will probably be back this week, so he could be the next hand.

 

[dublinirish]

https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2017/8/8/16111582/ask-the-maester-season-7-episode-4

Jordan asks, “Do we have an idea of how exactly the Dothraki would have gotten to the Reach?”

THROUGH THE POWER OF SCRIPT-WRITING. Just kidding. I mean, not totally. I’ve found it difficult to get a feel for the show because of the accelerated timeline. Journeys of months happen over the course of a single episode, armies muster in the blink of an eye, and the legendary castle of Highgarden was taken and looted in two minutes of screen time. So, it’s tough. But let’s figure this out.

After the sack of Highgarden, Jaime and the LOOT TRAIN presumably moved up the Kingsroad toward King’s Landing. The convoy took a rest along the banks of the Blackwater Rush, which winds west to east across the continent, skirting the southern walls of King’s Landing before emptying into Blackwater Bay. This suggests that, rather than following the Roseroad through the kingswood, skirting the Stormlands, Jaime took them off road, due north, toward the river. This is smart! The Kingswood is a notorious haunt for outlaws and the perfect place to ambush a lumbering convoy of wheat. By contrast, the plains south of the river offer clean lines of sight and plenty of options for movement. Still, Jaime, Bronn, Randyll, and DICKON got bushwhacked anyway! So how did the Dothraki get there?

That’s the tougher question. Dany would have had to load several thousand Dothraki onto ships, safely land the ships somewhere, offload, then ride out to meet Jaime’s Loot Train™. When Aegon the Conqueror invaded Westeros from Dragonstone, he landed at the wide, flat mouth of the Blackwater in the shadow of the hills upon which King’s Landing would one day stand. Aegon came with fewer than 1,600 men and, in those days, the area around the Blackwater was disputed by several parties and basically unguarded.

Dany’s logistical concerns are more complicated. Landing near King’s Landing is obviously a nonstarter and everyone in Westeros expects her to invade at some point.

So, best guess: Dany, like Jon Connington and the Golden Company in A Dance of Dragons, came ashore on Cape Wrath. We have no idea what’s going on with the Stormlands at this point in the show. House Baratheon is gone. The lords of the Stormlands would be aware of a large army marching through their lands. But lacking a banner to rally behind, what would they do about it? As King Robert said in Season 1, the best strategy against the Dothraki is to hunker down in a castle and wait them out. This is how it would be possible for Dany to march, unmolested, from the shore to the Blackwater Rush. It’s unlikely but not impossible.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

They need that midget to saddle up on one of those dragons.

 

[Emcee77]

Honestly, I've been annoyed for years with the this-writing-sucks-because-these-events-unrealistic crowd because I just don't see why that should diminish anyone's enjoyment of a fantasy series, but I do have to admit that the deterioration of the writing in this latest season has become a bit of a distraction. Things should make at least some sense according to the rules of the fictive world, or even viewers who aren't being overly critical will feel, if not cheated or deceived, at least disoriented. But the logistics of these parties and their armies moving around Westeros is tough to understand or swallow.

On the other hand, what is that they say? Shipping beats perfection, right? I appreciate that the showrunners said, I've got a badass dragon battle scene in mind and I'm going to make it happen. I get that with books it is harder, but I wish GRRM had a little bit more of that in him. Just write the damn thing and get free of it, man! So maybe it won't be perfect. Honestly, almost all plot-driven stories deteriorate and become predictable as they reach their conclusion. (In fact, depending on the circumstances, it might be a flaw if they DON'T become predictable, because it might reveal that the writer hasn't signposted where he is going, and the reader will feel cheated in a different way, but that's going off on a tangent.) Go for it anyway.

 

[TheSunIsRising]

apparently yes, (according to some reviews/recaps i read online) but when i watched it i presumed it was open to interpretation who his saviour was.

based on the exchange earlier in the episode and Bronn's reaction...

knocked off his horse by The Dickon Tarly??

 

[IrishLax]

https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2017/8/8/16111582/ask-the-maester-season-7-episode-4

Think The Ringer kind of goes offbase... Highgarden is far as hell King's Landing. Literally a thousand miles. Over a month of marching with wagons. Dany would have ample time to set up an ambush, and it doesn't really matter where she lands the troops as they move approximately 10x as fast lightly armored on horseback as Jaime's column and were already closer to King's Landing. Of all the logistical shenanigans this season, this ambush right outside of King's Landing is actually extremely plausible.

If Jaime came up the Roseroad (most direct path) then the ambush happens right outside of the mud gate... which also makes tons of sense for strategic purposes for Dany. You are going to absolutely route the opposition if you attack them with their backs to a river and no avenue of escape.

If Jaime marched over land up to the Gold Road and then took that to King's Landing, then the ambush came from the north... and that's a completely unmonitored swath of land. You could unload your ships south of Duskendale and ride your Khalasar due west without encountering any castles or towns. But I still don't really get why the ringer thinks it happened anywhere but right outside of the mud gate.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Finally caught up with the episodes and this thread. It's time for memes guys

 

[IrishinTN]

Anyone else been cheating and looking at the leaked episode info? I couldn't help myself and, if true, looks really interesting. Obviously I wont share here for those who dont want to cheat, but there's some good stuff on Reddit and Youtube.

 

[irishog77]

Anyone else been cheating and looking at the leaked episode info? I couldn't help myself and, if true, looks really interesting. Obviously I wont share here for those who dont want to cheat, but there's some good stuff on Reddit and Youtube.

Do Jon and Dany bone?

 

[IrishinTN]

Do Jon and Dany bone?

PM'd you what I know.