FSU Criminal Investigations

[nico7980]

She didn't "raise her arms", she raised a fist to him, very clearly. And she held that fist even as he grabbed her right arm to prevent her from using it. How is she NOT the agressor? She raised a fist first, she threw the first punch.......... Again, if this would have been some 98lb skinny geeky boy, there would be no doubt that he got what he asked for.

But it WASN'T some 110lb guy or a 98lb skinny geeky boy. It was a girl. If it was a guy. Your point is well taken. He was in no danger of being hurt by that girl.

If that was your daughter that he hit like that. Would you be saying the same thing? Honestly?
If it was you in that situation. Since she was the aggressor. Is it fair to say that you would have reacted in the same manner?

Sorry for the double post. Not sure how to delete the one above.

 

[ACamp1900]

But it WASN'T some 110lb guy or a 98lb skinny geeky boy. It was a girl. If it was a guy. Your point is well taken. He was in no danger of being hurt by that girl.

If that was your daughter that he hit like that. Would you be saying the same thing? Honestly?

Glad you brought up the last point, there's another video that hit this week of a dad defending his daughter from a group of girls who are jumping her, when they turn on him he knocks a couple out cold... Context matters... I support the dad, despite hitting much younger women/girls, in the said video bc he had multiple attackers and they could have seriously hurt, and showed real intent to do so, him and his daughter... This fsu kid was never in any real harm regardless... You raise your hand on a woman only as a last resort when you can seriously become injured otherwise, never before.

 

[Irish YJ]

What it looks like to me: they both are trying to make their way to the bar, she gets to the bar first but he sees a space behind a girl who is just standing in front of the bar like an ass, he asks her to move, she tries but hardly moves, he decides to squeeze between the two girls, girl at the bar gets upset at him for forcing her into the bar, turns, and says some words to him with her fist raised and other hand on him, he grabs her wrists to prevent her from swinging, she struggles to get free but when she does she swings at him, he then smacks the hell out of her. Yes, I do think it was actual an open palm hit. His hand is open after contact with her face.

Do I think he's total a dumbass and dick for swinging at her? Yes, but from watching that video, it does look to me like she was the aggressor.

And that being said, me saying "what it looks like to me" is far from me saying "this is totally what happened" so no need to tell me that police and witness reports disagree with me. Besides, who are the witnesses? Nobody was paying any damn attention apparently except another girl who comes to assist the girl who just got hit.

PS - To say his hands were on her before she raises her fist is just wrong. You can clearly see his right and then his left hand on the bar trying to get in and she turns and raises her fist.

that's is how I saw it too. I'd add that the chick on the left moves out of the way, and there was then plenty of room for both. the victim then blocks that area too.
the guy is Dbag for hitting a girl period. she was the aggressor IMO at raising the fist, but he at no time was ever in danger unless she had some brass knuckles somewhere.

 

[ACamp1900]

Lol at the dude on the far right, he just sits there, his girl runs up, 'let's get outta here!!'... He just chills like, 'does it look like I have my drink yet?!"

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Should have followed Lord Humongous's advice:

 

[dshans]

In the sage words of my father, "You never, NEVER, NEVER hit a girl!

Defuse. Deflect. Disengage. Defend.

Never hit a girl.

Is muscling in for another Mojito worth the bother?




[A switchblade/.44 Magnum/Ak-47 wielded by said girl suspends the rule.]

 

[IrishLax]

When you want to throw a punch, you throw a punch. You don't "cock" your hand back for multiple seconds. It's perfectly illustrated in this video where, you know, Johnson punches a girl in the face.

It's hilarious that some people can infer nefarious intent from her raising her arm. Bunch of psychics on this board. She could just as easily be pointing to the guy behind her with her thumb and saying "I can't move over because there is a guy right there"... that would actually be the only natural way for someone to point in that direction.

Better keep you all away from my Italian relatives. If they start gesticulating while they talk you might interpret that as a "threat" and as grounds to assault them.

And even if she was "cocking" her fist, that is not grounds to assault someone. He had no right to put her hands on her, period.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Fuck this guy. Hope there is a real man in that FSU locker room who whoops his ass for this.

 

[gkIrish]

FWIW I'm with Irish YJ and Beau in that up until he actually hits her I was thinking this girl was being a bitch and unnecessarily getting physical (without knowing what was being said).

However he should never have hit her as he was in no real danger and could have just walked away. He should go to jail.

 

[Irish YJ]

When you want to throw a punch, you throw a punch. You don't "cock" your hand back for multiple seconds. It's perfectly illustrated in this video where, you know, Johnson punches a girl in the face.

It's hilarious that some people can infer nefarious intent from her raising her arm. Bunch of psychics on this board. She could just as easily be pointing to the guy behind her with her thumb and saying "I can't move over because there is a guy right there"... that would actually be the only natural way for someone to point in that direction.

Better keep you all away from my Italian relatives. If they start gesticulating while they talk you might interpret that as a "threat" and as grounds to assault them.

And even if she was "cocking" her fist, that is not grounds to assault someone. He had no right to put her hands on her, period.

I don't think anyone here is saying this guy is not a Dbag, or it's OK to hit a girl. Folks are just pointing out that the girl was not some mild mannered wall flower in the situation. both people should have walked away. neither did and it escalated. dat alcohol.

 

[TheChosen1]

Dismissed...

 

[Booslum31]

Jimbo just freed up another schollie. The dude needs therapy...thinking this might not have been the first time he raised his hand to a woman (don't know that) but if you will do it in public then there's nothing to stop you in private. Can't NEVER hit a woman.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Stupid behavior by both individuals. It's impossible to really defend his actions but these women in some of these situations deserve part of the blame (don't believe they deserve being hit).

This wasn't a case of some sweet June Cleaver type housewife getting beaten for burning dinner. If you want to "act like a man" by throwing punches don't be surprised when someone punches back. Either way, I would be disgusted if this was my son/daughter.

Even if she's an idiot that's irrelevant to whether he was in the clear to punch her. Our society for better or worse believes in equal use of force. He at no point in this encounter was he under any real threat from her, and a D1 athlete taking a swing at a woman like that is the force equivalent of doing the same thing to a 12 y/o boy. And all the same if he did that to a 12 y/o boy he'd be in a world of shit too.

 

[Irishnuke]

I'm sure at some point everyone on this board has dealt with an annoying bitch. I would hope that none of us punched them in the face. After reading some of the comments, I have my doubts.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm sure at some point everyone on this board had dealt with an annoying bitch. I would hope that none of us punched them in the face. After reading some of the comments, I have my doubts.

Dealt with, or married??

 

[irishff1014]

I understand that it looks slow on the video but probably happened faster but why didn't that guy with the glasses step in and break this up? You can tell this isn't going to end well.

 

[kmoose]

And even if she was "cocking" her fist, that is not grounds to assault someone. He had no right to put her hands on her, period.

She didn't just "cock" her fist. She punched him. Women want equal rights. Well, here you go.... you have the equal right to get blasted if you punch someone bigger than you.

 

[IrishLax]

She didn't just "cock" her fist. She punched him. Women want equal rights. Well, here you go.... you have the equal right to get blasted if you punch someone bigger than you.

After he grabbed her...

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

She didn't just "cock" her fist. She punched him. Women want equal rights. Well, here you go.... you have the equal right to get blasted if you punch someone bigger than you.

OK so at what point would retaliation be justified? Would he be justified if he knocked her on the ground and stomped on her head? Just because someone initiates a percieved aggressive act doesn't give the defender carte blanche to retaliate however they feel like it. If you think a swing from a 100 something pound girl and a haymaker from a male D1 athlete are equivalent use of force I don't know what to tell you.

 

[GoldenDome]

I stand by my comment. Snot rocket on that bitch.

 

[magogian]

I wish the DA would prosecute them both.

He may be more morally culpable, but she is hardly innocent here.

 

[ThePiombino]

What I learned today:

At FSU, it's worse to punch a girl than to assault her sexually...allegedly

 

[greyhammer90]

Looks like it's totally his fault to me. But I can see how some might say she was being aggressive too. I just don't think her cocking a fist calls for him to grab her and eventually cold-clock her.

The one thing I have an issue with is the treatment of this as being something that immediately gets you dismissed from school. That doesn't help anybody out IMO. He should get his ass ran into the ground, should be forced to go to some women's violence clinics, and should have to write a letter of apology. Taking away his education though? Though I like the idea of FSU being down a scholarship, it seems counterproductive to me.

 

[BeauBenken]

FWIW I'm with Irish YJ and Beau in that up until he actually hits her I was thinking this girl was being a bitch and unnecessarily getting physical (without knowing what was being said).

However he should never have hit her as he was in no real danger and could have just walked away. He should go to jail.

This is where I'm at.

Personally, I've seen these situations unfold at bars plenty of times, and I've been involved when my own sister tried to get violent with me at a bar because I would not dance with her. (She punched me, and I just did not respond. I have zero desire to get physical with anyone typically, let alone a woman.) Walking away is always the best answer (but sometimes it's not that easy). Just a couple days ago I had to encourage a 5 foot tall girl not to try to fight a guy and walk away. They were both just being drunk and stupid, but alcohol + fiesty girl = a girl willing to pick fights with anyone even over stupid stuff.

Side question, if it was a guy that he punched, how differently would some of your guys' opinions be? Would it be okay to try to grab another guy's wrists to prevent him from punching you with his cocked fist or would that still be assault? Would this even be news if it was another guy?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Florida State Seminoles QB De'Andre Johnson dismissed by program after video shows him striking woman at bar

Good old Jimbo. He's known about the incident for almost two weeks and only when the video becomes public does he dismiss the scumbag from the team. If the video had never been released, the kid would've served a brief suspension and it would all have been swept under the rug. Jimbo is seriously the worst piece of shit in all of college football.

 

[Calabrese's People]

Honestly, if he had thrown a body blow or just opened up his palm and slapped her i could have some sympathy, even if he just released and pushed her to the ground aggressively. But he loaded up a concussive, closed-fisted shot to the head. Thats the point where he ceases to be able to claim any element of self-defence. He is not trying to get her away from him (to the contrary, he is actually holding her and twisting her wrist), he is attacking. The response was not in proportion to the threat.

She shouldnt have postured like she was ready to throw down, but at the end of the day he had a number of options still available to him and he went for all the wrong ones.

 

[NDJimmy]

She was caulking her fist to keep water from leaking in.

 

[NDJimmy]

I am amazed at some of the misogynists on this board. Probably raised by wife beaters.

 

[NDRock]

I am amazed at some of the misogynists on this board. Probably raised by wife beaters.

Or maybe they grew up in households with moms and sisters who acted like real women instead of acting like they're at an audition to Bad Girl's Club when they get bumped into at a crowded bar.

 

[PLACforever]

1. He was cut last night.
2. Looks like he put his hand on her first.
3. Did his hat fall in the ice well behind the bar?
4. Those sure look like overall jorts to me, must be North Florida. Smh