Freezageddon

[wizards8507]

ftr I have a fireplace much like wiz' and it took some effort to stop my mom from talking my wife into painting over it.

I thought fireplaces like mine were illegal in California. Not even being sarcastic. Something about not being allowed to heat with wood.

 

[zelezo vlk]

You bring the high end, good, expensive beer... I'll have the TV dinners ready.

Deal

 

[zelezo vlk]

I thought fireplaces like mine were illegal in California. Not even being sarcastic. Something about not being allowed to heat with wood.

I thought that was Alaska...

 

[ACamp1900]

I thought fireplaces like mine were illegal in California. Not even being sarcastic. Something about not being allowed to heat with wood.

If there is such a thing (don't think there is) it's not enforced... we never fire ours because I have a smoke allergy but every cold day you can smell the houses around us all firing theirs... I really want to add an insert like yours. My understanding is it would heat better and my allergies would not be impacted.

Now that I think on it, nah, you can buy firewood at the store and houses everywhere have fireplaces.

 

[wizards8507]

I thought that was Alaska...

California Wood-Burning Stove Standards | Home Guides | SF Gate

"In California, the only types of wood stoves that are allowed are pellet-fueled stoves that burn commercially made wooden pellets. Pellet stoves are U. S. EPA Phase II certified devices, which means these stoves burn at least at a 70-percent efficiency. A low mass wood-burning appliance must be approved in writing by the air pollution control officer."

That's the most communist shit I've ever read. A man can't burn dead trees in a cast iron box in his own home. "Air pollution control officer" is some George Orwell shit.

My understanding is it would heat better and my allergies would not be impacted.

I heat 3,000 square feet in central Connecticut without burning a single drop of oil. I can get the hearth room to 90 (if I want to) and the bedrooms are usually around 65.

Now that I think on it, nah, you can buy firewood at the store and houses everywhere have fireplaces.

Apparently it's the insert itself that's illegal. Which is utterly moronic because my insert is 80%+ efficient, compared to 10% efficiency of an open hearth fire.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yeah I've never seen a true wood burning stove out here... that's different from a fire place tho... right?

and yeah, I def want an insert, my grandfather up in Oregon has one and it's boss-hog and never once flared up my allergies.

 

[NorthDakota]

Florida?? When dafaq did NorthDakota leave Fallout 4???

Couple weeks ago. They got snow literally the day after i left.

 

[ACamp1900]

We burn our leaves in piles in the yard... have to have a permit but the thing costs ten bucks a year so no biggie. I burn leaves every year.

 

[wizards8507]

Yeah I've never seen a true wood burning stove out here... that's different from a fire place tho... right?

and yeah, I def want an insert, my grandfather up in Oregon has one and it's boss-hog and never once flared up my allergies.

https://www.regency-fire.com/en/Products/Pellet/Pellet-Inserts/GCI60

I'd recommend a pellet insert for your climate. It's very difficult to keep the wood-burning ones at a moderate temperature when it's only a little bit cold outside, plus I can't imagine it's very easy to buy cord wood out your way.

 

[ACamp1900]

https://www.regency-fire.com/en/Products/Pellet/Pellet-Inserts/GCI60

Reps, we are looking to finish our remodel this winter, if we have some money left over, and I think we will, I'm def looking into this.

 

[ACamp1900]

Apparently it's the insert itself that's illegal. Which is utterly moronic because my insert is 80%+ efficient, compared to 10% efficiency of an open hearth fire.

I don't think so, or if it is again it's not enforced. Plenty of my neighbors have inserts and the local place that installs them advertises every year on the radio here. I hear their ads every year around this time. I could be missing some piece though, I'm admittedly not an expert on fireplaces. I do know however they look terrible white washed.

 

[Cackalacky]

California Wood-Burning Stove Standards | Home Guides | SF Gate

"In California, the only types of wood stoves that are allowed are pellet-fueled stoves that burn commercially made wooden pellets. Pellet stoves are U. S. EPA Phase II certified devices, which means these stoves burn at least at a 70-percent efficiency. A low mass wood-burning appliance must be approved in writing by the air pollution control officer."

That's the most communist shit I've ever read. A man can't burn dead trees in a cast iron box in his own home. "Air pollution control officer" is some George Orwell shit.

It has little to do with one person burning anything. It has everything to do with millions of people burning a bunch of inefficient wood and spelling it out into the air in a place with notoriously bad air quality as it is. When you have bad air quality, burning wood is awful and makes things tons worse. Not to mention increased CO2 levels but increase in respirable particles as well which can cause problems such smoke allergies LOL

See California has notoriously bad air quality and as such they inacted strict laws limiting particulates into the air. They did this becasue such policies work and are effective at not only remediation but control of future emissions.

 

[Cackalacky]

Yeah I've never seen a true wood burning stove out here... that's different from a fire place tho... right?

and yeah, I def want an insert, my grandfather up in Oregon has one and it's boss-hog and never once flared up my allergies.

I have a wood burning fireplace using an insert in our house. Its ducted up the chimney. Many places here have low heat natural gas fireplaces for aesthetics, not heating.

 

[ACamp1900]

You can see it here. I live at the base of the mountains that Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead sit in (right atop San Bernardino, Rancho Cucamonga, that area).

Growing up when you came out of the mountain pass into the valley where SB and RC are you could ALWAYS see the entire valley stretching just about to downtown LA. Now when you come out of the mountain pass you are lucky if the smog is light enough for you just to see the city in front of you. As an adult I began to think, "Well at least it's not where we're at... with our mountain range and heavy winds blowing into nothingness we should be insulated from that crap." Just in the last few years when I'm atop a hill overlooking our valley it's basically the same thing, can't see shit but smog. All the welfare babies from LA county that moved up here brought the smog with them .

 

[Cackalacky]

You can see it here. I live at the base of the mountains that Big Bear and Lake Arrowhead sit in (right atop San Bernardino, Rancho Cucamonga, that area).

Growing up when you came out of the mountain pass into the valley where SB and RC are you could ALWAYS see the entire valley stretching just about to downtown LA. Now when you come out of the mountain pass you are lucky if the smog is light enough for you just to see the city in front of you. As an adult I began to think, "Well at least it's not where we're at... with our mountain range and heavy winds blowing into nothingness we should be insulated from that crap." Just in the last few years when I'm atop a hill overlooking our valley it's basically the same thing, can't see shit but smog. All the welfare babies from LA county that moved up here brought the smog with them .

Yeah I think the mountains are what prevents LA's smog from dissipating. Mexico City is like that as well.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Yeah I think the mountains are what prevents LA's smog from dissipating. Mexico City is like that as well.

Only 1 thing to do: trigger an earthquake that breaks off all of SoCal into the Pacific

 

[wizards8507]

It has little to do with one person burning anything. It has everything to do with millions of people burning a bunch of inefficient wood and spelling it out into the air in a place with notoriously bad air quality as it is. When you have bad air quality, burning wood is awful and makes things tons worse. Not to mention increased CO2 levels but increase in respirable particles as well which can cause problems such smoke allergies LOL

Lol wrong.

Wood burned in open fireplace - 10% efficient
Lennox EL280 Gas Furnace - 80% efficient, less minimum 25% duct loss, net 60% efficient
Lennox ELO183 Oil Furnace - 83% efficient, less minimum 25% duct loss, net 63% efficient
Hampton HI300 Wood Burning Insert - 77% efficient
HearthStone Homestead Wood Stove - 84% efficient

Of those five options, the two most efficient options are the two that are illegal. Modern wood-burning appliances burn fuel in two stages. They burn the wood and then actually re-burn the smoke that comes off the wood. Catalytic stoves have a third stage as well.

 

[Cackalacky]

Lol wrong.

Wood burned in open fireplace - 10% efficient
Lennox EL280 Gas Furnace - 80% efficient, less minimum 25% duct loss, net 60% efficient
Lennox ELO183 Oil Furnace - 83% efficient, less minimum 25% duct loss, net 63% efficient
Hampton HI300 Wood Burning Insert - 77% efficient
HearthStone Homestead Wood Stove - 84% efficient

Of those five options, the two most efficient options are the two that are illegal. Modern wood-burning appliances burn fuel in two stages. They burn the wood and then actually re-burn the smoke that comes off the wood. Catalytic stoves have a third stage as well.

I was talking about unfiltered wood burning fireplaces. None of those you quoted (LOL) reduce particulate matter expelled into the air. As I said California has strict particulate and air pollution standards. Wood and gas both produce CO2 and particulates. They are likely banned for other reasons other than being modestly efficient. IDK though. Possibly fire codes or something else.

 

[wizards8507]

I was talking about unfiltered wood burning fireplaces.

That's my point. If they wanted to place restrictions on wood fireplaces, that would make perfect sense. But, to my knowledge, they don't. The ban is on wood-burning appliances.

 

[dshans]

First, it's spelled bocce, not bocci. Second, it's not called "bocce ball," it's just called "bocce," full stop. You play bocce with bocce balls.

Thank you, Wiz, for saving a measure of scorn by noting one of my pet peeves.

Oh ---and in France it is "boules," not "boules balle."

 

[Cackalacky]

That's my point. If they wanted to place restrictions on wood fireplaces, that would make perfect sense. But, to my knowledge, they don't. The ban is on wood-burning appliances.

Several south coast counties restrict wood burning fireplaces, but San Diego isn’t one of them. Not yet.

“Although it is not prohibited, wood burning in the home is a growing source of air pollution in San Diego County,” warns the Air Pollution Control District’s website.

This month, Del Mar’s city council had to decide the issue after a homeowner appealed a decision of the design review board that allowed her to install two fireplaces as part of a remodel — if they were gas-operated; Bernadette Anderson wanted them to be wood-burning. The board had said no, citing local code: “The design will adversely affect the health or safety of the neighborhood.”

Tiny particles in wood smoke can enter the lungs and bloodstream and are linked to a greater risk of health problems such as asthma and heart attack.

“It’s pretty nasty stuff. This stuff really is bad news,” said Del Mar deputy mayor Dwight Worden at a public hearing on February 6.

Anderson’s architect, Don Countryman, attended the hearing to defend the units, which are EPA Phase 2 qualified and 70 percent cleaner than traditional fireplaces. He said he hoped the city would “put the dirty fireplaces out” and embrace the improved fireplace technology.

But the design-review board had noted that “qualified” did not mean “specifically EPA approved.” (Wood-burning appliances qualified under the EPA’s Voluntary Fireplace Programs aren’t certified per EPA’s Wood Heater New Source Performance Standard.)

South Coast counties that limit wood burning — Orange County and portions of Los Angeles, Riverside, and San Bernardino Counties — don’t allow EPA Phase 2 Qualified open-hearth wood-burning fireplaces to be installed in an existing home.

The only wood-burning devices that can be added are U.S. EPA certified inserts/stoves, pellet heaters, and masonry heaters. Gas-fueled fireplaces are allowed.

According to state officials, most woodstoves and fireplaces release far more air pollution, indoors and out, than heaters using other fuels. The EPA, however, left fireplaces out of new rules in 2016 on wood-burning devices, since there are fewer of them.

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2017/feb/23/stringers-fight-wood-burning-fireplace/#

I dont know the ins and outs of it but this was interesting.

 

[connor_in]

Not a lot of snow here in northern Indiana but it's damn cold!
7 F and -8 F wind chill

 

[OhioIrish31]

Not a lot of snow here in northern Indiana but it's damn cold!
7 F and -8 F wind chill

I drove from Cleveland to Rochester yesterday with the whole family in the car. It took 8 and a half hours...UGH! We saw no less than 40 vehicles off the road...what a mess! Woke up to 4 degree weather today. Everybody be safe!

 

[NorthDakota]

-16 degrees Fahrenheit here in beautiful North Dakota today.

 

[Cackalacky]

Just now getting cold. It was in the 70s this past weekend.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Not a lot of snow here in northern Indiana but it's damn cold!
7 F and -8 F wind chill

Yeah, got about 5 inches or so in Valpo and its a balmy 7F too, but at least it's sunny!
I can handle a few days of it being this cold, I just get pissed if this lasts longer than a week or so, which it looks like it is.

 

[Graybeard52]

Not a lot of snow here in northern Indiana but it's damn cold!
7 F and -8 F wind chill

8.3, -6.8 wind chill at the moment in Mishawaka. Had around 5.5" of snow yesterday but at least it wasn't the heavy, wet garbage. Pretty easy to clear.

 

[Bishop2b5]

It's been in the -5 to +5 range with 4" of snow the past few days here in the Black Hills. At least the sun is shining today.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

5 below here on the Illinois/Wisconsin border.
Bring it on.

I've got a golf trip planned to play the RTJT in early February, so a month of single digits will make golfing in the low 50's feel like the 70's.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

60 inches of snow since 7pm on 12/24 and counting here in Erie, PA.