Five Players Arrested

[Legacy]

Indiana Law
IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without being licensed; exceptions; person
convicted of domestic battery
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsections (b) and (c) and
section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any
vehicle or on or about the person's body without being licensed under
this chapter to carry a handgun.
(b) Except as provided in subsection (c), a person may carry a
handgun without being licensed under this chapter to carry a handgun
if:
(1) the person carries the handgun on or about the person's body
in or on property that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise
legally controlled by the person;
(2) the person carries the handgun on or about the person's body
while lawfully present in or on property that is owned, leased,
rented, or otherwise legally controlled by another person, if the
person:
(A) has the consent of the owner, renter, lessor, or person
who legally controls the property to have the handgun on the
premises;
(B) is attending a firearms related event on the property,
including a gun show, firearms expo, gun owner's club or
convention, hunting club, shooting club, or training course;
or
(C) is on the property to receive firearms related services,
including the repair, maintenance, or modification of a
firearm;
(3) the person carries the handgun in a vehicle that is owned,
leased, rented, or otherwise legally controlled by the person, if
the handgun is:
(A) unloaded;
(B) not readily accessible; and
(C) secured in a case;
(4) the person carries the handgun while lawfully present in a
vehicle that is owned, leased, rented, or otherwise legally
controlled by another person, if the handgun is:
(A) unloaded;
(B) not readily accessible; and
(C) secured in a case; or
(5) the person carries the handgun:
(A) at a shooting range (as defined in IC 14-22-31.5-3);
(B) while attending a firearms instructional course; or
(C) while engaged in a legal hunting activity.

Another restriction on gun possession:

It is a Class A misdemeanor to carry a firearm into a secured area of an airport. Penalties include a fine of up to $5,000, up to one year in jail, or both. (In. Code Ann. § 35-47-6-1.3.)

Loaded firearms in a car without meeting bolded restrictions above is a felony per police report, while carrying into a secured area of an airport is a misdemeanor?

Will this be reduced to a misdemeanor?

 

[Bishop2b5]

It's not so black and white.

It's possible that laws for crimes are harsh yet not enforced widely enough to garner popular support for reform. It happens all the time.

We're dealing with a substance that the federal government still categorizes as having no legitimate medical uses, and on the same schedule as heroin, despite the fact that two dozen or so states have legalized it for medical use.

The government is bad at governing, including making laws and their punishments.

No I'm not defending the idiotic decision of kids on full scholarship to be around marijuana. But let's also not ignore the fact that the stigma and legal repercussions with marijuana have not been wildly off base for decades.

My comment wasn't specifically about pot nor the ND players. It was just a general observation that when you screw up, the consequences you suffer aren't someone else doing anything to you or ruining your life. You brought that upon yourself. I don't have a particularly strong opinion either way about what ND should do to these players (and I'm all in favor of second chances and "teaching moments" for kids when it will actually help them), but I've consistently said that I wished Saban would boot players and make an example of them when our guys do stuff like this and maybe that would make it clear to some of the others in the future that this sort of stuff won't be tolerated.

 

[kmoose]

Maybe you should consider the case of Kyle McAlarney.

Kyle McAlarney reflects on dark days of pot charge, expulsion - NY Daily News

Maybe you should consider the case of Mike Ragone, who got caught with marijuana in 2010, but still played football for ND in 2011....

 

[Buster Bluth]

My comment wasn't specifically about pot nor the ND players. It was just a general observation that when you screw up, the consequences you suffer aren't someone else doing anything to you or ruining your life. You brought that upon yourself.

Yeah that was the exact mindset I was trying to ccomment on, just using mariguana as an example.

I think your mindset assumes the punishment always fits the crime. The legal system isn't perfect, not even close.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Maybe you should consider the case of Mike Ragone, who got caught with marijuana in 2010, but still played football for ND in 2011....

Or Cierre Wood and Justin Utupo, or a dozen other players who mysteriously ended up in the HC's doghouse...

 

[irish1958]

It's not so black and white.

It's possible that laws for crimes are harsh yet not enforced widely enough to garner popular support for reform. It happens all the time.

We're dealing with a substance that the federal government still categorizes as having no legitimate medical uses, and on the same schedule as heroin, despite the fact that two dozen or so states have legalized it for medical use.

The government is bad at governing, including making laws and their punishments.

No I'm not defending the idiotic decision of kids on full scholarship to be around marijuana. But let's also not ignore the fact that the stigma and legal repercussions with marijuana have not been wildly off base for decades.

The classification of controlled substances is done by lawyers, policemen and politicians, not by physicians or the FDA. The DEA has refused medicinal input for decades.

 

[IrishBroker]

The classification of controlled substances is done by lawyers, policemen and politicians, not by physicians or the FDA. The DEA has refused medicinal input for decades.

Not true.

In fact, in 2006 the FDA rejected medical uses.

Also, the FDA is who makes the recommendations to the DEA.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Good for you for having ideals, but the one part you were most correct about, was that you're out of touch. Give us a break with the holier than thou stuff. Kids have been smoking weed on the team for as long back as I can remember. Acting like it's beyond our ideals is comical when it's been widely ignored for decades. Many of your favorite players that you would call a "Notre Dame Man" were habitual smokers. Kicking kids off the team for a little weed has never been the standard here at Notre Dame. Feel free to make up this gold standard of the university of you want, but it simply has never been the truth.

Wanna know what is part of the culture of Notre Dame? Catholic values like forgiveness and working towards the common good. How does ruining a young man's life for something half the professors do themselves living up to the standards of the church? Furthermore, we certainly do not turn on our own young men the first instance of accusation. I'm sure if you were in their shoes, you would want fair representation and the benefit of being innocent until proven guilty. It's easy for you to wag your finger at these young men from your ivory tower, but would you want that blind punishment for your own children?

I think it's fair to say that the university is hearing out the facts and will act accordingly with those findings. If you want to grab your pitchfork, then fine. But don't burn the village down under the flag of Notre Dame, as those aren't the values of the university I know.

Where did I say anything about kicking them off the team?

I also agree that the facts of this case might not be as cut and dry as they seem. If it turns out that some of the players involved were not smoking dope, then of course they should not have the book thrown at them.

Everything else you wrote, I disagree with and that is where I'll leave it.

 

[BGIF]

Or Cierre Wood and Justin Utupo, or a dozen other players who mysteriously ended up in the HC's doghouse...

Then there's Kyle McAlarney.

University suspends McAlarney // The Observer

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Then there's Kyle McAlarney.

University suspends McAlarney // The Observer

True. Not making a normative argument about what the University should or should not do. Was just responding to the following post from dmort:

Every case in the past where an athlete was caught having smoked pot,the University Disciplinary Board kicked them out of school. The 5 players caught with dope and a gun I suspect will be off the team very soon.This is self inflicted and they had to know it was wrong not to mention a violation of ND code of conduct.This might be ok at Alabama or some other SEC school,but not ND.

That's quite obviously not true.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Looks like all 4 will play against Texas unless school announces a suspension

 

[Irish Insanity]

Looks like all 4 will play against Texas unless school announces a suspension

Hotels.com

 

[BGIF]

Hotels.com

Wouldn't Choice Hotels be a more appropriate selection?

Should I stay or should I go?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Looks like all 4 will be available against Texas unless school announces a suspension

FTFY

 

[Blazers46]

Not true.

In fact, in 2006 the FDA rejected medical uses.

Also, the FDA is who makes the recommendations to the DEA.

The ish the FDA does approve is appalling. Marijuana, compared to some of the crap people are allowed to consume in America, really is not that bad.

 

[kmoose]

It's not so black and white.

It's possible that laws for crimes are harsh yet not enforced widely enough to garner popular support for reform. It happens all the time.

We're dealing with a substance that the federal government still categorizes as having no legitimate medical uses, and on the same schedule as heroin, despite the fact that two dozen or so states have legalized it for medical use.

The government is bad at governing, including making laws and their punishments.

No I'm not defending the idiotic decision of kids on full scholarship to be around marijuana. But let's also not ignore the fact that the stigma and legal repercussions with marijuana have not been wildly off base for decades.

It is black and white. You know, from a very early age, that if you break the law, you could end up in jail or with a permanent black mark on your record. If you choose to break the law anyway, then you run the risk of incurring those penalties.

 

[connor_in]

True. Not making a normative argument about what the University should or should not do. Was just responding to the following post from dmort:



That's quite obviously not true.

Why can't you guys just leave Norm out of it? What the hell did he ever do to you?

 

[ThePiombino]

Looks like all 4 will play against Texas unless school announces a suspension

Is there a precedent for how the school handles a situation like this where possession is not clear?

 

[arndtjc]

Maybe you should consider the case of Mike Ragone, who got caught with marijuana in 2010, but still played football for ND in 2011....

Did anyone actually read the article dmort posted? Mclarney was reinstated for the '07-'08 season as well. The piece proved his own opinion wrong... 🤔


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[Fbolt]

I'm sure there are several mitigating factors that come into play with the University's decisions. For example, did the student lay out the truth in full detail or attempt to cover up their actions or protect a friend? Was there an initial attempt at hiding the truth followed by full admission. I would imagine all these things play a part in the school's decisions. Would imagine.... I'm imagining.

Nothing worse than knowing the truth, or at least a significant part of the truth based on facts and having someone on the other side telling lies upon lies upon lies. You have to be able to step up and own your actions.

 

[Legacy]

Girlfriend disputes charges, says police abused Notre Dame's Devin Butler

Defensive back Devin Butler was one of six Notre Dame football players arrested last Friday night in two separate incidents. He was later indefinitely suspended by coach Brian Kelly, and on Tuesday, he was charged with resisting law enforcement and battery against a public safety official.

Butler's girlfriend and Torii Hunter Jr.'s fiancee, who were both at the bar where Butler was arrested, dispute the police's claims, according to The South Bend Tribune.

"I was there that entire night," Haleigh Bailey, Butler's girlfriend, wrote to The Tribune. "Reports say that everyone left the scene but I was still there and saw everything officers did to Devin. He was abused, and wrongly arrested. He never tackled an officer and he never intentionally hurt anyone. He had no reason to be tased because he was never resisting arrest, and he was already on the ground complying when they tased him."

According to police, Butler was arrested after shoving a woman in the head and then resisted arrest, including picking up and tackling an officer. Bell disputed Butler's involvement in pushing a woman.

"I don't know who they're trying to reference him hitting or pushing, because he didn't do that to anyone. But he was holding his girlfriend and protecting her," Selina Bell, Hunter's fiancee, told The Tribune. "He 100 percent never hit her, pulled her, pushed her, grabbed her forcefully at all."

The two also disputed the claims that Butler tackled an officer, noting that Butler, who broke his foot in June, is still in a walking boot and was not capable of picking up someone to slam them. Bell also claimed the same thing as Bailey that Butler was on the ground when he was tased, yelling that he couldn't breathe.

"He couldn't breathe, and I could hear him saying that," said Bell. "He was saying, 'I can't breathe! I can't breathe!' He was screaming that. That's when I was getting really nervous. I don't know why they felt the need to tase him. There were four cops on him. He had the broken foot. His face was in the cement."

Butler plead not guilty to the two charges against him on Wednesday. He will be back in court for an initial hearing on Sept. 1.

 

[ulukinatme]

Report: Witnesses dispute police account of Devin Butler arrest

Oh snap! A lot of that makes sense. Got to wonder if Butler doesn't come out clean on this one.

 

[ulukinatme]

Here's a story from one of Knepper's other lawsuits. The bolded sounds awfully familiar:
[EDIT] So yeah, this is probably all old information, I haven't been checking this thread enough.

Man injured in South Bend police encounter files lawsuit | Public Safety | southbendtribune.com

The confrontation started on the evening of March 25, 2014, when Knepper attempted to stop Stevens at Sunnymede Avenue and Twyckenham Drive for allegedly driving without headlights — a claim disputed as a "malicious and false statement" in the suit.

Stevens failed to stop until he arrived at his mother's house on Sunnymede, about six houses east of the intersection.

Police have said Stevens violently resisted, exchanging blows with Knepper, before he was subdued. But he claims in the lawsuit that he never struck Knepper, even after he was shot with a Taser stun gun.

The new lawsuit marks at least the third time Knepper has been named in a civil suit accusing him of misconduct and constitutional violations.

He was accused of misconduct in two other cases, including an August 2012 incident in which a local 7-Eleven clerk said in a lawsuit that Knepper and two other officers — Eric Mentz and Michael Stuk — challenged him to swallow a tablespoon of cinnamon and videotaped the stunt, known as the "cinnamon challenge."

Knepper was suspended without pay for two days for his role in the misconduct.

The same three officers were named in a separate lawsuit by a family who claimed the officers burst into their home without a warrant in July 2012, beat Deshawn Franklin, then 17, and falsely arrested him, thinking he was the suspect in a crime.

This was the guy from the story:

 

[rtrn2glory]

If Butler has a somewhat competent attorney they will reference every single recent cop violence situation in this case. If he does he will be cleared IMO. Whether true or not this country is walking a very tight rope on situations like theses especially with minorities. Not saying I agree with either side here just putting my extremely limited law expertise to practice.

 

[phgreek]

...Which is why he got suspended indefinitely, and not booted from the team and expelled.

No idea what actually happened, but I'm guessing this thing gets real crazy, and butler is out this year while it takes its course.

If that cop did this, he deserves to get a buckwheat with that damned taser.

Oh and by the way

odds on that skinny little scarecrow punk Cowerd walking his shit back???

 

[Graybeard52]

If Butler has a somewhat competent attorney they will reference every single recent cop violence situation in this case. If he does he will be cleared IMO. Whether true or not this country is walking a very tight rope on situations like theses especially with minorities. Not saying I agree with either side here just putting my extremely limited law expertise to practice.

I'm coming around to the possibility that Devin could be the victim after reading it was Knepper. I didn't even need to read about those earlier cases to remember his checkered past. I'm a little surprised he's still a cop.

I just can't imagine that someone somewhere doesn't have video of the whole thing. I'm surprised the LB Lounge doesn't have security cameras outside at the very least.

 

[Fbolt]

It will certainly be interesting as this plays out. My first thought with this incident was let's wait until the entire story comes out. It seems there is more here the meets the eye.

 

[tussin]

This is going to pick up national steam and be BAD news for Knepper and SBPD. Last thing he needed was to do this to someone with some name recognition.

 

[Fbolt]

Those who went to school at ND and have lived in SB have referenced their beliefs that SBPD has it out for students. I have always kept that in the back of my head. Maybe it will be brought out here?

 

[Wingman Ray]

Those who went to school at ND and have lived in SB have referenced their beliefs that SBPD has it out for students. I have always kept that in the back of my head. Maybe it will be brought out here?

Yeah it was the same at my college as well. I remember getting in a wreck in a parking lot when the local had come in and I was starting to go out...we both slid on the ice and the cop put it 100% my fault (we crashed head to head). Go figure. It was literally inside the parking lot not on the street.

My experience in life has been most cops just suck. Im not saying there are not good cops but most are pretty much assholes that love the power. I mean, why the heck else would you take a job getting paid peanuts to risk being shot at if it wasnt for the power trip?