Does 1 Loss End ND's Playoff Hopes?

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As bad as it sounds I'll be rooting for OSU when they play MSU in a couple weeks and then more than likely they'll play each other in the B1G Championship where I'll be rooting for MSU. I just can't see a B1G team getting on over ND. And I seriously hope this lights a bigger fire under our guys and we put up 50+ points on everyone!

OSU and MSU are in the same division and can't play each other in conference championship... I think best bet is to have OSU win the game cuz a V tech loss at home is way worse than FSU on road....

My biggest fear is Miss St and MIss staying undefeated until the egg bowl... winner goes to conference title game.. loser can say their only loss is against #1 team in country... That would bump ND out
 

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OSU and MSU are in the same division and can't play each other in conference championship... I think best bet is to have OSU win the game cuz a V tech loss at home is way worse than FSU on road....

Yeah, I'm not sure what they were doing when they moved the teams around this year, the B1G East is kind of stacked. The B1G West really has just Nebraska and Wisconsin, with maybe only one of them being a decent team in any given year.
 

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This is actually a really harmful narrative for us.
FSU has only played three decent teams and went down to the wire with each. If the idea starts to creep in that they're not actually all that good? Well, then, what exactly did we accomplish on Saturday besides lose to a team that would be "fifth or sixth in the SEC."
We need FSU to roll heavy the rest of the season and win out in absurd fashion. That's the only way we beat out a one-loss Oregon/B1G/Big-12 champ for the fourth slot (assuming FSU and two SEC teams here). In a battle of one-loss teams, we'd have the best loss, and hopefully a few impressive wins in ASU, USC and (I still hold hope for) Stanford. But right now, the best loss is our best card.
Much as it pains me to say this, we ought to jump on the "Winston for Heisman" bandwagon, because it's better to give a guy his Heisman moment (he was pretty brilliant in the second half) and ride his coattails into a playoff rematch than have them get upset by some rando team like Virginia and then lose out on SOS to Oregon or Michigan State. It sucks but at this point I think we're all in on Florida State. Get that arm ready for some Tomahawk Chop-ping.

I suspect that ND was a wake-up call for FSU. If they can take anything away from the game it is that they have to play better ball to stay in the upper echelon. I certainly don't see them losing to anyone on their remaining schedule, and I suspect the lessons they learned from ND will be that they can't take anything for granted.
 

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OSU and MSU are in the same division and can't play each other in conference championship... I think best bet is to have OSU win the game cuz a V tech loss at home is way worse than FSU on road....

But Michigan State took a pounding, which is also way worse than losing in the final seconds on a questionable call.
 

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But Michigan State took a pounding, which is also way worse than losing in the final seconds on a questionable call.
But Michigan State looking good makes Oregon look good and the Pac-12 champ is another team we'd be competing for a slot against. We want Oregon to look bad if they win the conference, but we want them to look as good as possible if they otherwise LOSE the conference to one of our opponents (USC or Arizona State).

I effing love college football.
 

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Skip Bayless said today that 4 SEC west teams are going to make the playoff. He must have some serious blackmail against executives at ESPN because he is seriously the worst.
 

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Skip Bayless said today that 4 SEC west teams are going to make the playoff. He must have some serious blackmail against executives at ESPN because he is seriously the worst.

He also said that getting rid of Tebow for Manning will be the worst decision ever by Elway and it would ruin his legacy....

Skip is a moron
 

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He also said that getting rid of Tebow for Manning will be the worst decision ever by Elway and it would ruin his legacy....

Skip is a moron

He's a loud voice who argues with another loud voice. I don't know how anyone can stand to watc him him and Stephen A. together.
 

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As bad as it sounds I'll be rooting for OSU when they play MSU in a couple weeks and then more than likely they'll play each other in the B1G Championship where I'll be rooting for MSU. I just can't see a B1G team getting on over ND. And I seriously hope this lights a bigger fire under our guys and we put up 50+ points on everyone!

MSU and OSU are in the same division so they cant play in the B1G CG. Ill be rooting for OSU regrdless bc i think by then we will have too much distance between them for them to pass us. If MSU is 1 spot behind they could jump us with that win. Best case scenario OSU beats MSU then Nebraska beats OSU in the CG.
 

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The glare of the Golden Dome can be blinding, even from SEC locales.

So we'll get this out there from the top: I'm not blinded, just realistic.

Notre Dame has the most compelling case to bump a one-loss SEC team that doesn't win the league title when the College Football Playoff selection committee unveils its final picks on Dec. 7.

And the way the Irish played Saturday night in a down-to-the-wire (err, down-to-the-official's-call) 31-27 loss on the road to Florida State, they should be a serious threat.

Notre Dame still has some work to do to make this more than just lively conversation, but it's clear that Brian Kelly's club is for real.

I know what's coming next from SEC junkies: The last time Notre Dame tangled with an SEC foe, it had all the drama of Mariano Rivera coming in to pitch the final inning of the Little League World Series.

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Will Alabama's domination of Notre Dame in the title game following the 2012 season play into the selection committee's mind?
Alabama obliterated Notre Dame 42-14 two years ago in the BCS National Championship. That Notre Dame team, too, had navigated its way unscathed through a schedule full of big names before stepping in over its head against the Crimson Tide.

That was then, though, and this is now. All that's supposed to matter is a team's body of work this season.

But we're entering a brand-new world with a selection committee, and that element could be a game-changer. Computers aren't making these decisions. Humans are.

For the sake of argument, let's just say it came down to a one-loss Alabama and a one-loss Notre Dame for that fourth and final playoff spot. Is it realistic to think that carnage in Miami two years ago wouldn't at least creep into the minds of some of those committee members?

The eye test can be very subjective when everything else seems comparable.

I can already hear the huffing and puffing in Tuscaloosa, Alabama; Auburn, Alabama; Oxford, Mississippi; and Starkville, Mississippi, at the mere suggestion that Notre Dame could be the team that keeps the SEC from getting two teams into the inaugural playoff.

But it's a lot more realistic than anybody in those venues might want to believe, especially given the way the Irish played on the road against the Seminoles.

Another benefit Notre Dame will have since the demise of the BCS' cold, just-the-facts computer rankings: The Irish scored what appeared to be the game-winning touchdown, only to have it taken off the board by an official's call that Kelly characterized as rewarding the Seminoles for a blown coverage. Also, a Florida State player, cornerback P.J. Williams, took his helmet off on the field right after the nullified touchdown, but no flag was thrown.

If that's the only loss on Notre Dame's résumé at the end of the season, it's a résumé that will be difficult to ignore.

The Irish still have to play at No. 14 Arizona State on Nov. 8 and at No. 20 USC on Nov. 29. Winning both of those games on the road would be huge, particularly if one of those opponents goes on to win the Pac-12's South Division.

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Auburn's win at Kansas State could be a big factor in the Tigers' favor in comparison to teams such as Notre Dame.
The most favorable scenario for Notre Dame, in terms of trumping a one-loss SEC team for a playoff spot, would be for Auburn to lose again. The Tigers already own a win at No. 11 Kansas State, a win that's looking better by the week. And if Auburn were to win at Ole Miss, at Georgia and at Alabama -- and get squeezed out of the SEC championship game -- the Tigers would still be a lock for the playoff.

Nobody else in the country could match their résumé.

It goes without saying that Notre Dame needs Florida State to keep winning and be unbeaten come selection time. It would also help the Irish if Stanford bounced back and finished strong. Notre Dame beat the Cardinal 17-14 earlier this month, but the Cardinal have now lost three games.

There's also the chance the SEC West could beat up on itself the rest of the way and that everybody in that division could finish with two losses. At this point, we know that all but one SEC team will have at least one loss coming out of the conference championship game.

When you start stacking up quality wins, assuming Notre Dame can take care of its business the rest of the way, that's when it could really get interesting.

But consider this potential scenario: The committee's next-to-last ranking will come out the Tuesday before the SEC championship game (Dec. 2). By then, Notre Dame would have played its final game, as would have a one-loss SEC team that didn't make it into the SEC championship game.

You'd have to think if Notre Dame were No. 4 in those next-to-last rankings and the SEC team were No. 5 (or vice versa) that there wouldn't be anything on conference championship Saturday that would reverse the order when the final rankings come out that next Tuesday.

A lot to digest, for sure. But it makes for fascinating debate, and with actual humans making the call, at least we won't have to hear about how the system got it wrong and is biased, like fans said in the BCS days.

If you believe that, I have four tickets on the 50-yard line to the Iron Bowl and Egg Bowl that I'll sell you for half price.

Does a one-loss Notre Dame deserve a playoff spot more than a one-loss SEC team? - ESPN
 

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Will Alabama's domination of Notre Dame in the title game following the 2012 season play into the selection committee's mind?
Alabama obliterated Notre Dame 42-14 two years ago in the BCS National Championship. That Notre Dame team, too, had navigated its way unscathed through a schedule full of big names before stepping in over its head against the Crimson Tide.

2012 should have zero bearing on 2014. Stupid.
 

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2012 should have zero bearing on 2014. Stupid.

I doubt it will have any with the committee... it'll stick around with fans and national perception for a while though.
 

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The more people talk about the OPI call the closer ND and FSU get to being the same, assuming they both win out. If ND wins out, the best that can happen is for FSU to win out and be the 1st, 2nd or 3rd team in. If they are #1 in the polls going into selection and ND wins out, I don't see how you keep ND out.
 

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I seriously doubt ND would be left out if they win out... I've said it already, but the hard part is the winning out... very few teams can play the next five game stretch ND is going to play and not lose a single game, they may be pretty battered by time Louisville and SC came around... I think, even though ND is a legit top ten/five team, the smart money would be on ND dropping another game.
 

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I'd much rather play Navy this weekend and have a bye in front of ASU... get healthy for that home stretch...
 

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Has anyone tried to work out our ideal scenario here? E.g. Ole miss loses to lsu but beats miss st then auburn beats bama who loses to Georgia, etc?

Would just be interesting to see
 

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Has anyone tried to work out our ideal scenario here? E.g. Ole miss loses to lsu but beats miss st then auburn beats bama who loses to Georgia, etc?

Would just be interesting to see

We need some of the weaker SEC teams to pull off a few upsets. Talking stuff like A&M/Auburn, Miss. State/Arkansas, Bama/LSU, Ole Miss/LSU.


Ideally, we'd like UGA to go into the SEC championship game against a 2-loss West team and lose.
 

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We need Auburn to lose 1 more and FSU to win out and ND needs to win out. Those things happen and its playoff time.
 

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We need some of the weaker SEC teams to pull off a few upsets. Talking stuff like A&M/Auburn, Miss. State/Arkansas, Bama/LSU, Ole Miss/LSU.


Ideally, we'd like UGA to go into the SEC championship game against a 2-loss West team and lose.

I feel like the SEC's chance of getting two teams into the playoff is greater if there appears to be parity at the top. It's probably better for the Irish if Ole Miss or Mississippi State run the table and all the others have 2 losses.
 

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I feel like the SEC's chance of getting two teams into the playoff is greater if there appears to be parity at the top. It's probably better for the Irish if Ole Miss or Mississippi State run the table and all the others have 2 losses.

I agree that it's important to have the SEC West #2 finish with two losses.

That being said, the worst case scenario IMO is an undefeated Mississippi team playing an 11-1 UGA team and losing. Guarantee that they get two in if that's the case. Ideally, we want the SEC W#1 to have one loss and meet UGA in the championship, and the SEC W#2 to have two losses. In that scenario, there is no way they get two in.
 

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The question is, FSU still has to play Louisville, Miami, BC and UF How does a 1-loss FSU team affect ND's chance to the playoff now?
 

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Shits right in our corn flakes.

This. We're going to be slotted below FSU no matter what (unless they finish with 2 losses--which won't happen). We need them to be 13-0 and a clear #1 or #2. Not 12-1 and fighting for a final spot with us. IMO FSU winning out is the most important thing for us assuming we go 11-1. Even more important than ASU/USC/Stanford finishing the year strongly.

The most likely scenario seems to be:

1) FSU
2) SEC #1 (I don't think anyone goes 13-0 from the conference)


Leaving 2 spots for..

PAC-12 #1
B1G #1
Big-12 #1
11-1 Notre Dame
SEC #2
SEC #3

Personally, if ND goes 11-1, I don't think the B1G or Big-12 champ would get in over us. I think the only teams who could beat us out would be FSU, 12-1 Oregon, and any 1-loss SEC team. Which, as I type this, am envisioning a 12-1 Ole Miss and 11-1 Bama making it in over us.
 
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This. We're going to be slotted below FSU no matter what (unless they finish with 2 losses--which won't happen). We need them to be 13-0 and a clear #1 or #2. Not 12-1 and fighting for a final spot with us. IMO FSU winning out is the most important thing for us assuming we go 11-1. Even more important than ASU/USC/Stanford finishing the year strongly.

The most likely scenario seems to be:

1) FSU
2) SEC #1 (I don't think anyone goes 13-0 from the conference)


Leaving 2 spots for..

PAC-12 #1
B1G #1
Big-12 #1
11-1 Notre Dame
SEC #2
SEC #3

Personally, if ND goes 11-1, I don't think the B1G or Big-12 champ would get in over us. I think the only teams who could beat us out would be FSU, 12-1 Oregon, and any 1-loss SEC team. Which, as I type this, am envisioning a 12-1 Ole Miss and 11-1 Bama making it in over us.


I agree 100% with your breakdown above. 1) FSU 2) SEC Champ-unless 2 loss Georgia wins 3) ND 4) Oregon. I don't think Ole Miss wins the SEC West. They would have to win 2 of 3 against LSU/Auburn/Miss St. I think the SEC West will either be a 1 loss Auburn/ Bama/Miss St playing possible 2 loss (I think Auburn beats them) Georgia in the SEC Chipper. We need Arizona to lose more games to make it in over a 1 loss Oregon. We need their 1 loss to be as bad as possible. No way a B1G or Big12 team makes it in over 1 loss Oregon.
 
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The question is, FSU still has to play Louisville, Miami, BC and UF How does a 1-loss FSU team affect ND's chance to the playoff now?

If Louisville beats FSU I think we will have bigger things to worry about (aka beating Louisville)
 
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