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I think virtually all of us, including corporations, schools, politicians and cultural entities, have paid too much attention to social media and given it too much credence. We do something normal and the twitterverse explodes in a tsunami of fake outrage over something stupid and misinterpreted (think the Peloton ad, e.g., or some innocuous comment by someone). The rest of the world overreacts due to assuming that a handful of big mouths screaming at the top of their lungs on twitter represent the views of everyone in general. It's time to tell the twitterverse to shove it and go pound sand. It's nothing but a small minority of nitwits and insecure people looking for something to be offended about and causing problems in order to feel like they're accomplishing something.

Tell 'em to FO and pepper spray them when they harass your customers or employees. See how little their opinion actually affects anything when you just ignore them or tell them to shove it. Stop giving social media this sort of power.
 
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I think virtually all of us, including corporations, schools, politicians and cultural entities, have paid too much attention to social media and given it too much credence. We do something normal and the twitterverse explodes in a tsunami of fake outrage over something stupid and misinterpreted (think the Peloton ad, e.g., or some innocuous comment by someone). The rest of the world overreacts due to assuming that a handful of big mouths screaming at the top of their lungs on twitter represent the views of everyone in general. It's time to tell the twitterverse to shove it and go pound sand. It's nothing but a small minority of nitwits and insecure people looking for something to be offended about and causing problems in order to feel like their accomplishing something.

Tell 'em to FO, pepper spray them when they harass your customers or employees. See how little their opinion actually affects anything when you just ignore them or tell them to shove it. Stop giving social media this sort of power.

Nobody is scared of the small minority willing to harrass people online for their opinions. It's easy to tell them to fuck off.

People are nervous to push back on this sort of nonsense b/c of the economic cost. Certain opinions can cost you your job, business, financial livelihood.
 

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Nobody is scared of the small minority willing to harrass people online for their opinions. It's easy to tell them to fuck off.

People are nervous to push back on this sort of nonsense b/c of the economic cost. Certain opinions can cost you your job, business, financial livelihood.

These all tie together though...
 

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Nobody is scared of the small minority willing to harrass people online for their opinions. It's easy to tell them to fuck off.

People are nervous to push back on this sort of nonsense b/c of the economic cost. Certain opinions can cost you your job, business, financial livelihood.

100% this.

Some left-leaning folks in the legal field have started to try to suggest being a member of the Federalist Society should basically get you blacklisted from being a judge.

Senators Harris and Hirono tried to tank a judicial nominee from Nebraska because he is a member of the Knights of Columbus, made it sound like he was a member of the fictionalized versions of the Knights Templar and Opus Dei.

If they succeed on this shit at a lower level, i.e. preventing these types from getting decent jobs in the first place, members of these groups will not ever get in a position to be successful.
 

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The real discussion is how did we as a collective culture get to where activist groups could a.) take such clearly asinine stances and b.) get so that everyone, pretty much across the board, is scared shitless to do anything but pretend to take them seriously?

Internet balls.

These folks would be scared to death to say something to someone in person, but knowing they won't be confronted to their face they hide behind the shield that is social media.

Remember, the one who talks/screams the loudest and longest is always right.
 

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John krasinski had to make press rounds talking about his career because leftists had issue with his past roles... not because they are violent, or demeaning or whatever,... but because when you add up their totality it ‘feels conservative’,... ‘LETS GET HIM!!!!!!!’

If they would just stop with the ‘we are the tolerant ones act’ it would do them a world of justice,...
 

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John krasinski had to make press rounds talking about his career because leftists had issue with his past roles... not because they are violent, or demeaning or whatever,... but because when you add up their totality it ‘feels conservative’,... ‘LETS GET HIM!!!!!!!’

If they would just stop with the ‘we are the tolerant ones act’ it would do them a world of justice,...

Can't fix stupid.
 

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John krasinski had to make press rounds talking about his career because leftists had issue with his past roles... not because they are violent, or demeaning or whatever,... but because when you add up their totality it ‘feels conservative’,... ‘LETS GET HIM!!!!!!!’

If they would just stop with the ‘we are the tolerant ones act’ it would do them a world of justice,...

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John krasinski had to make press rounds talking about his career because leftists had issue with his past roles... not because they are violent, or demeaning or whatever,... but because when you add up their totality it ‘feels conservative’,... ‘LETS GET HIM!!!!!!!’

If they would just stop with the ‘we are the tolerant ones act’ it would do them a world of justice,...

He didn't "have to." The day people stop giving psycho Twitter leftists attention is the day they start to slither back into their holes.
 

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THE ATLANTIC
Was the Nuclear Family a Mistake?
DAVID BROOKS FEBRUARY 10, 2020

https://outline.com/NX8Azn

The scene is one many of us have somewhere in our family history: Dozens of people celebrating Thanksgiving or some other holiday around a makeshift stretch of family tables—siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles, great-aunts. The grandparents are telling the old family stories for the 37th time. “It was the most beautiful place you’ve ever seen in your life,” says one, remembering his first day in America. “There were lights everywhere … It was a celebration of light! I thought they were for me.”

The oldsters start squabbling about whose memory is better. “It was cold that day,” one says about some faraway memory. “What are you talking about? It was May, late May,” says another. The young children sit wide-eyed, absorbing family lore and trying to piece together the plotline of the generations.

After the meal, there are piles of plates in the sink, squads of children conspiring mischievously in the basement. Groups of young parents huddle in a hallway, making plans. The old men nap on couches, waiting for dessert. It’s the extended family in all its tangled, loving, exhausting glory.

This particular family is the one depicted in Barry Levinson’s 1990 film, Avalon, based on his own childhood in Baltimore. Five brothers came to America from Eastern Europe around the time of World War I and built a wallpaper business. For a while they did everything together, like in the old country. But as the movie goes along, the extended family begins to split apart. Some members move to the suburbs for more privacy and space. One leaves for a job in a different state. The big blowup comes over something that seems trivial but isn’t: The eldest of the brothers arrives late to a Thanksgiving dinner to find that the family has begun the meal without him.

“You cut the turkey without me?” he cries. “Your own flesh and blood! … You cut the turkey?” The pace of life is speeding up. Convenience, privacy, and mobility are more important than family loyalty. “The idea that they would eat before the brother arrived was a sign of disrespect,” Levinson told me recently when I asked him about that scene. “That was the real crack in the family. When you violate the protocol, the whole family structure begins to collapse.”

As the years go by in the movie, the extended family plays a smaller and smaller role. By the 1960s, there’s no extended family at Thanksgiving. It’s just a young father and mother and their son and daughter, eating turkey off trays in front of the television. In the final scene, the main character is living alone in a nursing home, wondering what happened. “In the end, you spend everything you’ve ever saved, sell everything you’ve ever owned, just to exist in a place like this.”

“In my childhood,” Levinson told me, “you’d gather around the grandparents and they would tell the family stories … Now individuals sit around the TV, watching other families’ stories.” The main theme of Avalon, he said, is “the decentralization of the family. And that has continued even further today. Once, families at least gathered around the television. Now each person has their own screen.”

This is the story of our times—the story of the family, once a dense cluster of many siblings and extended kin, fragmenting into ever smaller and more fragile forms. The initial result of that fragmentation, the nuclear family, didn’t seem so bad. But then, because the nuclear family is so brittle, the fragmentation continued. In many sectors of society, nuclear families fragmented into single-parent families, single-parent families into chaotic families or no families.

If you want to summarize the changes in family structure over the past century, the truest thing to say is this: We’ve made life freer for individuals and more unstable for families. We’ve made life better for adults but worse for children. We’ve moved from big, interconnected, and extended families, which helped protect the most vulnerable people in society from the shocks of life, to smaller, detached nuclear families (a married couple and their children), which give the most privileged people in society room to maximize their talents and expand their options. The shift from bigger and interconnected extended families to smaller and detached nuclear families ultimately led to a familial system that liberates the rich and ravages the working-class and the poor.

This article is about that process, and the devastation it has wrought—and about how Americans are now groping to build new kinds of family and find better ways to live.

Part I
The Era of Extended Clans
Through the early parts of American history, most people lived in what, by today’s standards, were big, sprawling households. In 1800, three-quarters of American workers were farmers. Most of the other quarter worked in small family businesses, like dry-goods stores. People needed a lot of labor to run these enterprises. It was not uncommon for married couples to have seven or eight children. In addition, there might be stray aunts, uncles, and cousins, as well as unrelated servants, apprentices, and farmhands. (On some southern farms, of course, enslaved African Americans were also an integral part of production and work life.)

Steven Ruggles, a professor of history and population studies at the University of Minnesota, calls these “corporate families”—social units organized around a family business. According to Ruggles, in 1800, 90 percent of American families were corporate families. Until 1850, roughly three-quarters of Americans older than 65 lived with their kids and grandkids. Nuclear families existed, but they were surrounded by extended or corporate families.

Extended families have two great strengths. The first is resilience. An extended family is one or more families in a supporting web. Your spouse and children come first, but there are also cousins, in-laws, grandparents—a complex web of relationships among, say, seven, 10, or 20 people. If a mother dies, siblings, uncles, aunts, and grandparents are there to step in. If a relationship between a father and a child ruptures, others can fill the breach. Extended families have more people to share the unexpected burdens—when a kid gets sick in the middle of the day or when an adult unexpectedly loses a job.

A detached nuclear family, by contrast, is an intense set of relationships among, say, four people. If one relationship breaks, there are no shock absorbers. In a nuclear family, the end of the marriage means the end of the family as it was previously understood.

The second great strength of extended families is their socializing force. Multiple adults teach children right from wrong, how to behave toward others, how to be kind. Over the course of the 18th and 19th centuries, industrialization and cultural change began to threaten traditional ways of life. Many people in Britain and the United States doubled down on the extended family in order to create a moral haven in a heartless world. According to Ruggles, the prevalence of extended families living together roughly doubled from 1750 to 1900, and this way of life was more common than at any time before or since.

During the Victorian era, the idea of “hearth and home” became a cultural ideal. The home “is a sacred place, a vestal temple, a temple of the hearth watched over by Household Gods, before whose faces none may come but those whom they can receive with love,” the great Victorian social critic John Ruskin wrote. This shift was led by the upper-middle class, which was coming to see the family less as an economic unit and more as an emotional and moral unit, a rectory for the formation of hearts and souls.

But while extended families have strengths, they can also be exhausting and stifling. They allow little privacy; you are forced to be in daily intimate contact with people you didn’t choose. There’s more stability but less mobility. Family bonds are thicker, but individual choice is diminished. You have less space to make your own way in life. In the Victorian era, families were patriarchal, favoring men in general and first-born sons in particular.

As factories opened in the big U.S. cities, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, young men and women left their extended families to chase the American dream. These young people married as soon as they could. A young man on a farm might wait until 26 to get married; in the lonely city, men married at 22 or 23. From 1890 to 1960, the average age of first marriage dropped by 3.6 years for men and 2.2 years for women.

The families they started were nuclear families. The decline of multigenerational cohabiting families exactly mirrors the decline in farm employment. Children were no longer raised to assume economic roles—they were raised so that at adolescence they could fly from the nest, become independent, and seek partners of their own. They were raised not for embeddedness but for autonomy. By the 1920s, the nuclear family with a male breadwinner had replaced the corporate family as the dominant family form. By 1960, 77.5 percent of all children were living with their two parents, who were married, and apart from their extended family.

The Short, Happy Life of the Nuclear Family
For a time, it all seemed to work. From 1950 to 1965, divorce rates dropped, fertility rates rose, and the American nuclear family seemed to be in wonderful shape. And most people seemed prosperous and happy. In these years, a kind of cult formed around this type of family—what McCall’s, the leading women’s magazine of the day, called “togetherness.” Healthy people lived in two-parent families. In a 1957 survey, more than half of the respondents said that unmarried people were “sick,” “immoral,” or “neurotic.”

During this period, a certain family ideal became engraved in our minds: a married couple with 2.5 kids. When we think of the American family, many of us still revert to this ideal. When we have debates about how to strengthen the family, we are thinking of the two-parent nuclear family, with one or two kids, probably living in some detached family home on some suburban street. We take it as the norm, even though this wasn’t the way most humans lived during the tens of thousands of years before 1950, and it isn’t the way most humans have lived during the 55 years since 1965.

Today, only a minority of American households are traditional two-parent nuclear families and only one-third of American individuals live in this kind of family. That 1950–65 window was not normal. It was a freakish historical moment when all of society conspired, wittingly and not, to obscure the essential fragility of the nuclear family.

Photo illustration: Weronika Gęsicka; Alamy
For one thing, most women were relegated to the home. Many corporations, well into the mid-20th century, barred married women from employment: Companies would hire single women, but if those women got married, they would have to quit. Demeaning and disempowering treatment of women was rampant. Women spent enormous numbers of hours trapped inside the home under the headship of their husband, raising children.

For another thing, nuclear families in this era were much more connected to other nuclear families than they are today—constituting a “modified extended family,” as the sociologist Eugene Litwak calls it, “a coalition of nuclear families in a state of mutual dependence.” Even as late as the 1950s, before television and air-conditioning had fully caught on, people continued to live on one another’s front porches and were part of one another’s lives. Friends felt free to discipline one another’s children.

In his book The Lost City, the journalist Alan Ehrenhalt describes life in mid-century Chicago and its suburbs:

To be a young homeowner in a suburb like Elmhurst in the 1950s was to participate in a communal enterprise that only the most determined loner could escape: barbecues, coffee klatches, volleyball games, baby-sitting co-ops and constant bartering of household goods, child rearing by the nearest parents who happened to be around, neighbors wandering through the door at any hour without knocking—all these were devices by which young adults who had been set down in a wilderness of tract homes made a community. It was a life lived in public.
Finally, conditions in the wider society were ideal for family stability. The postwar period was a high-water mark of church attendance, unionization, social trust, and mass prosperity—all things that correlate with family cohesion. A man could relatively easily find a job that would allow him to be the breadwinner for a single-income family. By 1961, the median American man age 25 to 29 was earning nearly 400 percent more than his father had earned at about the same age.

In short, the period from 1950 to 1965 demonstrated that a stable society can be built around nuclear families—so long as women are relegated to the household, nuclear families are so intertwined that they are basically extended families by another name, and every economic and sociological condition in society is working together to support the institution.

Video: How the Nuclear Family Broke Down
David Brooks on the rise and decline of the nuclear family
Disintegration
But these conditions did not last. The constellation of forces that had briefly shored up the nuclear family began to fall away, and the sheltered family of the 1950s was supplanted by the stressed family of every decade since. Some of the strains were economic. Starting in the mid-’70s, young men’s wages declined, putting pressure on working-class families in particular. The major strains were cultural. Society became more individualistic and more self-oriented. People put greater value on privacy and autonomy. A rising feminist movement helped endow women with greater freedom to live and work as they chose.

A study of women’s magazines by the sociologists Francesca Cancian and Steven L. Gordon found that from 1900 to 1979, themes of putting family before self dominated in the 1950s: “Love means self-sacrifice and compromise.” In the 1960s and ’70s, putting self before family was prominent: “Love means self-expression and individuality.” Men absorbed these cultural themes, too. The master trend in Baby Boomer culture generally was liberation—“Free Bird,” “Born to Run,” “Ramblin’ Man.”

Eli Finkel, a psychologist and marriage scholar at Northwestern University, has argued that since the 1960s, the dominant family culture has been the “self-expressive marriage.” “Americans,” he has written, “now look to marriage increasingly for self-discovery, self-esteem and personal growth.” Marriage, according to the sociologists Kathryn Edin and Maria Kefalas, “is no longer primarily about childbearing and childrearing. Now marriage is primarily about adult fulfillment.”

This cultural shift was very good for some adults, but it was not so good for families generally. Fewer relatives are around in times of stress to help a couple work through them. If you married for love, staying together made less sense when the love died. This attenuation of marital ties may have begun during the late 1800s: The number of divorces increased about fifteenfold from 1870 to 1920, and then climbed more or less continuously through the first several decades of the nuclear-family era. As the intellectual historian Christopher Lasch noted in the late 1970s, the American family didn’t start coming apart in the 1960s; it had been “coming apart for more than 100 years.”

Americans today have less family than ever before. From 1970 to 2012, the share of households consisting of married couples with kids has been cut in half. In 1960, according to census data, just 13 percent of all households were single-person households. In 2018, that figure was 28 percent. In 1850, 75 percent of Americans older than 65 lived with relatives; by 1990, only 18 percent did.

Over the past two generations, people have spent less and less time in marriage—they are marrying later, if at all, and divorcing more. In 1950, 27 percent of marriages ended in divorce; today, about 45 percent do. In 1960, 72 percent of American adults were married. In 2017, nearly half of American adults were single. According to a 2014 report from the Urban Institute, roughly 90 percent of Baby Boomer women and 80 percent of Gen X women married by age 40, while only about 70 percent of late-Millennial women were expected to do so—the lowest rate in U.S. history. And while more than four-fifths of American adults in a 2019 Pew Research Center survey said that getting married is not essential to living a fulfilling life, it’s not just the institution of marriage they’re eschewing: In 2004, 33 percent of Americans ages 18 to 34 were living without a romantic partner, according to the General Social Survey; by 2018, that number was up to 51 percent.

Over the past two generations, families have also gotten a lot smaller. The general American birth rate is half of what it was in 1960. In 2012, most American family households had no children. There are more American homes with pets than with kids. In 1970, about 20 percent of households had five or more people. As of 2012, only 9.6 percent did.

Over the past two generations, the physical space separating nuclear families has widened. Before, sisters-in-law shouted greetings across the street at each other from their porches. Kids would dash from home to home and eat out of whoever’s fridge was closest by. But lawns have grown more expansive and porch life has declined, creating a buffer of space that separates the house and family from anyone else. As Mandy Len Catron recently noted in The Atlantic, married people are less likely to visit parents and siblings, and less inclined to help them do chores or offer emotional support. A code of family self-sufficiency prevails: Mom, Dad, and the kids are on their own, with a barrier around their island home.

Finally, over the past two generations, families have grown more unequal. America now has two entirely different family regimes. Among the highly educated, family patterns are almost as stable as they were in the 1950s; among the less fortunate, family life is often utter chaos. There’s a reason for that divide: Affluent people have the resources to effectively buy extended family, in order to shore themselves up. Think of all the child-rearing labor affluent parents now buy that used to be done by extended kin: babysitting, professional child care, tutoring, coaching, therapy, expensive after-school programs. (For that matter, think of how the affluent can hire therapists and life coaches for themselves, as replacement for kin or close friends.) These expensive tools and services not only support children’s development and help prepare them to compete in the meritocracy; by reducing stress and time commitments for parents, they preserve the amity of marriage. Affluent conservatives often pat themselves on the back for having stable nuclear families. They preach that everybody else should build stable families too. But then they ignore one of the main reasons their own families are stable: They can afford to purchase the support that extended family used to provide—and that the people they preach at, further down the income scale, cannot.

In 1970, the family structures of the rich and poor did not differ that greatly. Now there is a chasm between them. As of 2005, 85 percent of children born to upper-middle-class families were living with both biological parents when the mom was 40. Among working-class families, only 30 percent were. According to a 2012 report from the National Center for Health Statistics, college-educated women ages 22 to 44 have a 78 percent chance of having their first marriage last at least 20 years. Women in the same age range with a high-school degree or less have only about a 40 percent chance. Among Americans ages 18 to 55, only 26 percent of the poor and 39 percent of the working class are currently married. In her book Generation Unbound, Isabel Sawhill, an economist at the Brookings Institution, cited research indicating that differences in family structure have “increased income inequality by 25 percent.” If the U.S. returned to the marriage rates of 1970, child poverty would be 20 percent lower. As Andrew Cherlin, a sociologist at Johns Hopkins University, once put it, “It is the privileged Americans who are marrying, and marrying helps them stay privileged.”

When you put everything together, we’re likely living through the most rapid change in family structure in human history. The causes are economic, cultural, and institutional all at once. People who grow up in a nuclear family tend to have a more individualistic mind-set than people who grow up in a multigenerational extended clan. People with an individualistic mind-set tend to be less willing to sacrifice self for the sake of the family, and the result is more family disruption. People who grow up in disrupted families have more trouble getting the education they need to have prosperous careers. People who don’t have prosperous careers have trouble building stable families, because of financial challenges and other stressors. The children in those families become more isolated and more traumatized.

Many people growing up in this era have no secure base from which to launch themselves and no well-defined pathway to adulthood. For those who have the human capital to explore, fall down, and have their fall cushioned, that means great freedom and opportunity—and for those who lack those resources, it tends to mean great confusion, drift, and pain.

Over the past 50 years, federal and state governments have tried to mitigate the deleterious effects of these trends. They’ve tried to increase marriage rates, push down divorce rates, boost fertility, and all the rest. The focus has always been on strengthening the nuclear family, not the extended family. Occasionally, a discrete program will yield some positive results, but the widening of family inequality continues unabated.

The people who suffer the most from the decline in family support are the vulnerable—especially children. In 1960, roughly 5 percent of children were born to unmarried women. Now about 40 percent are. The Pew Research Center reported that 11 percent of children lived apart from their father in 1960. In 2010, 27 percent did. Now about half of American children will spend their childhood with both biological parents. Twenty percent of young adults have no contact at all with their father (though in some cases that’s because the father is deceased). American children are more likely to live in a single-parent household than children from any other country.

We all know stable and loving single-parent families. But on average, children of single parents or unmarried cohabiting parents tend to have worse health outcomes, worse mental-health outcomes, less academic success, more behavioral problems, and higher truancy rates than do children living with their two married biological parents. According to work by Richard V. Reeves, a co-director of the Center on Children and Families at the Brookings Institution, if you are born into poverty and raised by your married parents, you have an 80 percent chance of climbing out of it. If you are born into poverty and raised by an unmarried mother, you have a 50 percent chance of remaining stuck.

It’s not just the lack of relationships that hurts children; it’s the churn. According to a 2003 study that Andrew Cherlin cites, 12 percent of American kids had lived in at least three “parental partnerships” before they turned 15. The transition moments, when mom’s old partner moves out or her new partner moves in, are the hardest on kids, Cherlin shows.

While children are the vulnerable group most obviously affected by recent changes in family structure, they are not the only one.

Consider single men. Extended families provided men with the fortifying influences of male bonding and female companionship. Today many American males spend the first 20 years of their life without a father and the next 15 without a spouse. Kay Hymowitz of the Manhattan Institute has spent a good chunk of her career examining the wreckage caused by the decline of the American family, and cites evidence showing that, in the absence of the connection and meaning that family provides, unmarried men are less healthy—alcohol and drug abuse are common—earn less, and die sooner than married men.

For women, the nuclear-family structure imposes different pressures. Though women have benefited greatly from the loosening of traditional family structures—they have more freedom to choose the lives they want—many mothers who decide to raise their young children without extended family nearby find that they have chosen a lifestyle that is brutally hard and isolating. The situation is exacerbated by the fact that women still spend significantly more time on housework and child care than men do, according to recent data. Thus, the reality we see around us: stressed, tired mothers trying to balance work and parenting, and having to reschedule work when family life gets messy.

Without extended families, older Americans have also suffered. According to the AARP, 35 percent of Americans over 45 say they are chronically lonely. Many older people are now “elder orphans,” with no close relatives or friends to take care of them. In 2015, The New York Times ran an article called “The Lonely Death of George Bell,” about a family-less 72-year-old man who died alone and rotted in his Queens apartment for so long that by the time police found him, his body was unrecognizable.

Finally, because groups that have endured greater levels of discrimination tend to have more fragile families, African Americans have suffered disproportionately in the era of the detached nuclear family. Nearly half of black families are led by an unmarried single woman, compared with less than one-sixth of white families. (The high rate of black incarceration guarantees a shortage of available men to be husbands or caretakers of children.) According to census data from 2010, 25 percent of black women over 35 have never been married, compared with 8 percent of white women. Two-thirds of African American children lived in single-parent families in 2018, compared with a quarter of white children. Black single-parent families are most concentrated in precisely those parts of the country in which slavery was most prevalent. Research by John Iceland, a professor of sociology and demography at Penn State, suggests that the differences between white and black family structure explain 30 percent of the affluence gap between the two groups.

In 2004, the journalist and urbanist Jane Jacobs published her final book, an assessment of North American society called Dark Age Ahead. At the core of her argument was the idea that families are “rigged to fail.” The structures that once supported the family no longer exist, she wrote. Jacobs was too pessimistic about many things, but for millions of people, the shift from big and/or extended families to detached nuclear families has indeed been a disaster.

As the social structures that support the family have decayed, the debate about it has taken on a mythical quality. Social conservatives insist that we can bring the nuclear family back. But the conditions that made for stable nuclear families in the 1950s are never returning. Conservatives have nothing to say to the kid whose dad has split, whose mom has had three other kids with different dads; “go live in a nuclear family” is really not relevant advice. If only a minority of households are traditional nuclear families, that means the majority are something else: single parents, never-married parents, blended families, grandparent-headed families, serial partnerships, and so on. Conservative ideas have not caught up with this reality.

Progressives, meanwhile, still talk like self-expressive individualists of the 1970s: People should have the freedom to pick whatever family form works for them. And, of course, they should. But many of the new family forms do not work well for most people—and while progressive elites say that all family structures are fine, their own behavior suggests that they believe otherwise. As the sociologist W. Bradford Wilcox has pointed out, highly educated progressives may talk a tolerant game on family structure when speaking about society at large, but they have extremely strict expectations for their own families. When Wilcox asked his University of Virginia students if they thought having a child out of wedlock was wrong, 62 percent said it was not wrong. When he asked the students how their own parents would feel if they themselves had a child out of wedlock, 97 percent said their parents would “freak out.” In a recent survey by the Institute for Family Studies, college-educated Californians ages 18 to 50 were less likely than those who hadn’t graduated from college to say that having a baby out of wedlock is wrong. But they were more likely to say that personally they did not approve of having a baby out of wedlock.

In other words, while social conservatives have a philosophy of family life they can’t operationalize, because it no longer is relevant, progressives have no philosophy of family life at all, because they don’t want to seem judgmental. The sexual revolution has come and gone, and it’s left us with no governing norms of family life, no guiding values, no articulated ideals. On this most central issue, our shared culture often has nothing relevant to say—and so for decades things have been falling apart.

The good news is that human beings adapt, even if politics are slow to do so. When one family form stops working, people cast about for something new—sometimes finding it in something very old.

Part II
Redefining Kinship
In the beginning was the band. For tens of thousands of years, people commonly lived in small bands of, say, 25 people, which linked up with perhaps 20 other bands to form a tribe. People in the band went out foraging for food and brought it back to share. They hunted together, fought wars together, made clothing for one another, looked after one another’s kids. In every realm of life, they relied on their extended family and wider kin.

Except they didn’t define kin the way we do today. We think of kin as those biologically related to us. But throughout most of human history, kinship was something you could create.

Anthropologists have been arguing for decades about what exactly kinship is. Studying traditional societies, they have found wide varieties of created kinship among different cultures. For the Ilongot people of the Philippines, people who migrated somewhere together are kin. For the New Guineans of the Nebilyer Valley, kinship is created by sharing grease—the life force found in mother’s milk or sweet potatoes. The Chuukese people in Micronesia have a saying: “My sibling from the same canoe”; if two people survive a dangerous trial at sea, then they become kin. On the Alaskan North Slope, the Inupiat name their children after dead people, and those children are considered members of their namesake’s family.

In other words, for vast stretches of human history people lived in extended families consisting of not just people they were related to but people they chose to cooperate with. An international research team recently did a genetic analysis of people who were buried together—and therefore presumably lived together—34,000 years ago in what is now Russia. They found that the people who were buried together were not closely related to one another. In a study of 32 present-day foraging societies, primary kin—parents, siblings, and children—usually made up less than 10 percent of a residential band. Extended families in traditional societies may or may not have been genetically close, but they were probably emotionally closer than most of us can imagine. In a beautiful essay on kinship, Marshall Sahlins, an anthropologist at the University of Chicago, says that kin in many such societies share a “mutuality of being.” The late religion scholar J. Prytz-Johansen wrote that kinship is experienced as an “inner solidarity” of souls. The late South African anthropologist Monica Wilson described kinsmen as “mystically dependent” on one another. Kinsmen belong to one another, Sahlins writes, because they see themselves as “members of one another.”

Back in the 17th and 18th centuries, when European Protestants came to North America, their relatively individualistic culture existed alongside Native Americans’ very communal culture. In his book Tribe, Sebastian Junger describes what happened next: While European settlers kept defecting to go live with Native American families, almost no Native Americans ever defected to go live with European families. Europeans occasionally captured Native Americans and forced them to come live with them. They taught them English and educated them in Western ways. But almost every time they were able, the indigenous Americans fled. European settlers were sometimes captured by Native Americans during wars and brought to live in Native communities. They rarely tried to run away. This bothered the Europeans. They had the superior civilization, so why were people voting with their feet to go live in another way?

When you read such accounts, you can’t help but wonder whether our civilization has somehow made a gigantic mistake.

We can’t go back, of course. Western individualists are no longer the kind of people who live in prehistoric bands. We may even no longer be the kind of people who were featured in the early scenes of Avalon. We value privacy and individual freedom too much.

Our culture is oddly stuck. We want stability and rootedness, but also mobility, dynamic capitalism, and the liberty to adopt the lifestyle we choose. We want close families, but not the legal, cultural, and sociological constraints that made them possible. We’ve seen the wreckage left behind by the collapse of the detached nuclear family. We’ve seen the rise of opioid addiction, of suicide, of depression, of inequality—all products, in part, of a family structure that is too fragile, and a society that is too detached, disconnected, and distrustful. And yet we can’t quite return to a more collective world. The words the historians Steven Mintz and Susan Kellogg wrote in 1988 are even truer today: “Many Americans are groping for a new paradigm of American family life, but in the meantime a profound sense of confusion and ambivalence reigns.”

Yet recent signs suggest at least the possibility that a new family paradigm is emerging. Many of the statistics I’ve cited are dire. But they describe the past—what got us to where we are now. In reaction to family chaos, accumulating evidence suggests, the prioritization of family is beginning to make a comeback. Americans are experimenting with new forms of kinship and extended family in search of stability.

Usually behavior changes before we realize that a new cultural paradigm has emerged. Imagine hundreds of millions of tiny arrows. In times of social transformation, they shift direction—a few at first, and then a lot. Nobody notices for a while, but then eventually people begin to recognize that a new pattern, and a new set of values, has emerged.

That may be happening now—in part out of necessity but in part by choice. Since the 1970s, and especially since the 2008 recession, economic pressures have pushed Americans toward greater reliance on family. Starting around 2012, the share of children living with married parents began to inch up. And college students have more contact with their parents than they did a generation ago. We tend to deride this as helicopter parenting or a failure to launch, and it has its excesses. But the educational process is longer and more expensive these days, so it makes sense that young adults rely on their parents for longer than they used to.

In 1980, only 12 percent of Americans lived in multigenerational households. But the financial crisis of 2008 prompted a sharp rise in multigenerational homes. Today 20 percent of Americans—64 million people, an all-time high—live in multigenerational homes.

The revival of the extended family has largely been driven by young adults moving back home. In 2014, 35 percent of American men ages 18 to 34 lived with their parents. In time this shift might show itself to be mostly healthy, impelled not just by economic necessity but by beneficent social impulses; polling data suggest that many young people are already looking ahead to helping their parents in old age.

Another chunk of the revival is attributable to seniors moving in with their children. The percentage of seniors who live alone peaked around 1990. Now more than a fifth of Americans 65 and over live in multigenerational homes. This doesn’t count the large share of seniors who are moving to be close to their grandkids but not into the same household.

Immigrants and people of color—many of whom face greater economic and social stress—are more likely to live in extended-family households. More than 20 percent of Asians, black people, and Latinos live in multigenerational households, compared with 16 percent of white people. As America becomes more diverse, extended families are becoming more common.

African Americans have always relied on extended family more than white Americans do. “Despite the forces working to separate us—slavery, Jim Crow, forced migration, the prison system, gentrification—we have maintained an incredible commitment to each other,” Mia Birdsong, the author of the forthcoming book How We Show Up, told me recently. “The reality is, black families are expansive, fluid, and brilliantly rely on the support, knowledge, and capacity of ‘the village’ to take care of each other. Here’s an illustration: The white researcher/social worker/whatever sees a child moving between their mother’s house, their grandparents’ house, and their uncle’s house and sees that as ‘instability.’ But what’s actually happening is the family (extended and chosen) is leveraging all of its resources to raise that child.”

The black extended family survived even under slavery, and all the forced family separations that involved. Family was essential in the Jim Crow South and in the inner cities of the North, as a way to cope with the stresses of mass migration and limited opportunities, and with structural racism. But government policy sometimes made it more difficult for this family form to thrive. I began my career as a police reporter in Chicago, writing about public-housing projects like Cabrini-Green. Guided by social-science research, politicians tore down neighborhoods of rickety low-rise buildings—uprooting the complex webs of social connection those buildings supported, despite high rates of violence and crime—and put up big apartment buildings. The result was a horror: violent crime, gangs taking over the elevators, the erosion of family and neighborly life. Fortunately, those buildings have since been torn down themselves, replaced by mixed-income communities that are more amenable to the profusion of family forms.

The return of multigenerational living arrangements is already changing the built landscape. A 2016 survey by a real-estate consulting firm found that 44 percent of home buyers were looking for a home that would accommodate their elderly parents, and 42 percent wanted one that would accommodate their returning adult children. Home builders have responded by putting up houses that are what the construction firm Lennar calls “two homes under one roof.” These houses are carefully built so that family members can spend time together while also preserving their privacy. Many of these homes have a shared mudroom, laundry room, and common area. But the “in-law suite,” the place for aging parents, has its own entrance, kitchenette, and dining area. The “Millennial suite,” the place for boomeranging adult children, has its own driveway and entrance too. These developments, of course, cater to those who can afford houses in the first place—but they speak to a common realization: Family members of different generations need to do more to support one another.

The most interesting extended families are those that stretch across kinship lines. The past several years have seen the rise of new living arrangements that bring nonbiological kin into family or familylike relationships. On the website CoAbode, single mothers can find other single mothers interested in sharing a home. All across the country, you can find co-housing projects, in which groups of adults live as members of an extended family, with separate sleeping quarters and shared communal areas. Common, a real-estate-development company that launched in 2015, operates more than 25 co-housing communities, in six cities, where young singles can live this way. Common also recently teamed up with another developer, Tishman Speyer, to launch Kin, a co-housing community for young parents. Each young family has its own living quarters, but the facilities also have shared play spaces, child-care services, and family-oriented events and outings.

These experiments, and others like them, suggest that while people still want flexibility and some privacy, they are casting about for more communal ways of living, guided by a still-developing set of values. At a co-housing community in Oakland, California, called Temescal Commons, the 23 members, ranging in age from 1 to 83, live in a complex with nine housing units. This is not some rich Bay Area hipster commune. The apartments are small, and the residents are middle- and working-class. They have a shared courtyard and a shared industrial-size kitchen where residents prepare a communal dinner on Thursday and Sunday nights. Upkeep is a shared responsibility. The adults babysit one another’s children, and members borrow sugar and milk from one another. The older parents counsel the younger ones. When members of this extended family have suffered bouts of unemployment or major health crises, the whole clan has rallied together.

Courtney E. Martin, a writer who focuses on how people are redefining the American dream, is a Temescal Commons resident. “I really love that our kids grow up with different versions of adulthood all around, especially different versions of masculinity,” she told me. “We consider all of our kids all of our kids.” Martin has a 3-year-old daughter, Stella, who has a special bond with a young man in his 20s that never would have taken root outside this extended-family structure. “Stella makes him laugh, and David feels awesome that this 3-year-old adores him,” Martin said. This is the kind of magic, she concluded, that wealth can’t buy. You can only have it through time and commitment, by joining an extended family. This kind of community would fall apart if residents moved in and out. But at least in this case, they don’t.

As Martin was talking, I was struck by one crucial difference between the old extended families like those in Avalon and the new ones of today: the role of women. The extended family in Avalon thrived because all the women in the family were locked in the kitchen, feeding 25 people at a time. In 2008, a team of American and Japanese researchers found that women in multigenerational households in Japan were at greater risk of heart disease than women living with spouses only, likely because of stress. But today’s extended-family living arrangements have much more diverse gender roles.

And yet in at least one respect, the new families Americans are forming would look familiar to our hunter-gatherer ancestors from eons ago. That’s because they are chosen families—they transcend traditional kinship lines.

Photo illustration: Weronika Gęsicka; Alamy
The modern chosen-family movement came to prominence in San Francisco in the 1980s among gay men and lesbians, many of whom had become estranged from their biological families and had only one another for support in coping with the trauma of the AIDS crisis. In her book, Families We Choose: Lesbians, Gays, Kinship, the anthropologist Kath Weston writes, “The families I saw gay men and lesbians creating in the Bay Area tended to have extremely fluid boundaries, not unlike kinship organization among sectors of the African-American, American Indian, and white working class.”

She continues:

Like their heterosexual counterparts, most gay men and lesbians insisted that family members are people who are “there for you,” people you can count on emotionally and materially. “They take care of me,” said one man, “I take care of them.”
These groups are what Daniel Burns, a political scientist at the University of Dallas, calls “forged families.” Tragedy and suffering have pushed people together in a way that goes deeper than just a convenient living arrangement. They become, as the anthropologists say, “fictive kin.”

Over the past several decades, the decline of the nuclear family has created an epidemic of trauma—millions have been set adrift because what should have been the most loving and secure relationship in their life broke. Slowly, but with increasing frequency, these drifting individuals are coming together to create forged families. These forged families have a feeling of determined commitment. The members of your chosen family are the people who will show up for you no matter what. On Pinterest you can find placards to hang on the kitchen wall where forged families gather: “Family isn’t always blood. It’s the people in your life who want you in theirs; the ones who accept you for who you are. The ones who would do anything to see you smile & who love you no matter what.”

Two years ago, I started something called Weave: The Social Fabric Project. Weave exists to support and draw attention to people and organizations around the country who are building community. Over time, my colleagues and I have realized that one thing most of the Weavers have in common is this: They provide the kind of care to nonkin that many of us provide only to kin—the kind of support that used to be provided by the extended family.

Lisa Fitzpatrick, who was a health-care executive in New Orleans, is a Weaver. One day she was sitting in the passenger seat of a car when she noticed two young boys, 10 or 11, lifting something heavy. It was a gun. They used it to shoot her in the face. It was a gang-initiation ritual. When she recovered, she realized that she was just collateral damage. The real victims were the young boys who had to shoot somebody to get into a family, their gang.

She quit her job and began working with gang members. She opened her home to young kids who might otherwise join gangs. One Saturday afternoon, 35 kids were hanging around her house. She asked them why they were spending a lovely day at the home of a middle-aged woman. They replied, “You were the first person who ever opened the door.”

In Salt Lake City, an organization called the Other Side Academy provides serious felons with an extended family. Many of the men and women who are admitted into the program have been allowed to leave prison, where they were generally serving long sentences, but must live in a group home and work at shared businesses, a moving company and a thrift store. The goal is to transform the character of each family member. During the day they work as movers or cashiers. Then they dine together and gather several evenings a week for something called “Games”: They call one another out for any small moral failure—being sloppy with a move; not treating another family member with respect; being passive-aggressive, selfish, or avoidant.

Games is not polite. The residents scream at one another in order to break through the layers of armor that have built up in prison. Imagine two gigantic men covered in tattoos screaming “Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!” At the session I attended, I thought they would come to blows. But after the anger, there’s a kind of closeness that didn’t exist before. Men and women who have never had a loving family suddenly have “relatives” who hold them accountable and demand a standard of moral excellence. Extreme integrity becomes a way of belonging to the clan. The Other Side Academy provides unwanted people with an opportunity to give care, and creates out of that care a ferocious forged family.

I could tell you hundreds of stories like this, about organizations that bring traumatized vets into extended-family settings, or nursing homes that house preschools so that senior citizens and young children can go through life together. In Baltimore, a nonprofit called Thread surrounds underperforming students with volunteers, some of whom are called “grandparents.” In Chicago, Becoming a Man helps disadvantaged youth form family-type bonds with one another. In Washington, D.C., I recently met a group of middle-aged female scientists—one a celebrated cellular biologist at the National Institutes of Health, another an astrophysicist—who live together in a Catholic lay community, pooling their resources and sharing their lives. The variety of forged families in America today is endless.

For many people, the era of the nuclear family has been a catastrophe. All forms of inequality are cruel, but family inequality may be the cruelest. It damages the heart.
You may be part of a forged family yourself. I am. In 2015, I was invited to the house of a couple named Kathy and David, who had created an extended-family-like group in D.C. called All Our Kids, or AOK-DC. Some years earlier, Kathy and David had had a kid in D.C. Public Schools who had a friend named James, who often had nothing to eat and no place to stay, so they suggested that he stay with them. That kid had a friend in similar circumstances, and those friends had friends. By the time I joined them, roughly 25 kids were having dinner every Thursday night, and several of them were sleeping in the basement.

I joined the community and never left—they became my chosen family. We have dinner together on Thursday nights, celebrate holidays together, and vacation together. The kids call Kathy and David Mom and Dad. In the early days, the adults in our clan served as parental figures for the young people—replacing their broken cellphones, supporting them when depression struck, raising money for their college tuition. When a young woman in our group needed a new kidney, David gave her one of his.

We had our primary biological families, which came first, but we also had this family. Now the young people in this forged family are in their 20s and need us less. David and Kathy have left Washington, but they stay in constant contact. The dinners still happen. We still see one another and look after one another. The years of eating together and going through life together have created a bond. If a crisis hit anyone, we’d all show up. The experience has convinced me that everybody should have membership in a forged family with people completely unlike themselves.

Ever since I started working on this article, a chart has been haunting me. It plots the percentage of people living alone in a country against that nation’s GDP. There’s a strong correlation. Nations where a fifth of the people live alone, like Denmark and Finland, are a lot richer than nations where almost no one lives alone, like the ones in Latin America or Africa. Rich nations have smaller households than poor nations. The average German lives in a household with 2.7 people. The average Gambian lives in a household with 13.8 people.

That chart suggests two things, especially in the American context. First, the market wants us to live alone or with just a few people. That way we are mobile, unattached, and uncommitted, able to devote an enormous number of hours to our jobs. Second, when people who are raised in developed countries get money, they buy privacy.

For the privileged, this sort of works. The arrangement enables the affluent to dedicate more hours to work and email, unencumbered by family commitments. They can afford to hire people who will do the work that extended family used to do. But a lingering sadness lurks, an awareness that life is emotionally vacant when family and close friends aren’t physically present, when neighbors aren’t geographically or metaphorically close enough for you to lean on them, or for them to lean on you. Today’s crisis of connection flows from the impoverishment of family life.

I often ask African friends who have immigrated to America what most struck them when they arrived. Their answer is always a variation on a theme—the loneliness. It’s the empty suburban street in the middle of the day, maybe with a lone mother pushing a baby carriage on the sidewalk but nobody else around.

For those who are not privileged, the era of the isolated nuclear family has been a catastrophe. It’s led to broken families or no families; to merry-go-round families that leave children traumatized and isolated; to senior citizens dying alone in a room. All forms of inequality are cruel, but family inequality may be the cruelest. It damages the heart. Eventually family inequality even undermines the economy the nuclear family was meant to serve: Children who grow up in chaos have trouble becoming skilled, stable, and socially mobile employees later on.

When hyper-individualism kicked into gear in the 1960s, people experimented with new ways of living that embraced individualistic values. Today we are crawling out from the wreckage of that hyper-individualism—which left many families detached and unsupported—and people are experimenting with more connected ways of living, with new shapes and varieties of extended families. Government support can help nurture this experimentation, particularly for the working-class and the poor, with things like child tax credits, coaching programs to improve parenting skills in struggling families, subsidized early education, and expanded parental leave. While the most important shifts will be cultural, and driven by individual choices, family life is under so much social stress and economic pressure in the poorer reaches of American society that no recovery is likely without some government action.

The two-parent family, meanwhile, is not about to go extinct. For many people, especially those with financial and social resources, it is a great way to live and raise children. But a new and more communal ethos is emerging, one that is consistent with 21st-century reality and 21st-century values.

When we discuss the problems confronting the country, we don’t talk about family enough. It feels too judgmental. Too uncomfortable. Maybe even too religious. But the blunt fact is that the nuclear family has been crumbling in slow motion for decades, and many of our other problems—with education, mental health, addiction, the quality of the labor force—stem from that crumbling. We’ve left behind the nuclear-family paradigm of 1955. For most people it’s not coming back. Americans are hungering to live in extended and forged families, in ways that are new and ancient at the same time. This is a significant opportunity, a chance to thicken and broaden family relationships, a chance to allow more adults and children to live and grow under the loving gaze of a dozen pairs of eyes, and be caught, when they fall, by a dozen pairs of arms. For decades we have been eating at smaller and smaller tables, with fewer and fewer kin.

It’s time to find ways to bring back the big tables.

This article appears in the March 2020 print edition with the headline “The Nuclear Family Was a Mistake.”
 

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Highly recommend "The Pharmacist"? True story on OxyContin and eye opening. Pharmacists son is killed trying to buy OxyContin. Walks you through his struggles to get the police to do something about the murder. Then notices all of the scripts being written and mostly by the same doctor. Pushes the FBI and DEA to do something but they drag their feet even though he has massive amounts of evidence to act on. Talks about how Purdue Pharma pushed their reps to sell more. This then leads to the government going after Purdue Pharma.

Worth your time and the impact on our culture.
 

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The Washington Examiner just published an article titled "Pornography restriction for realists":

In November, four Republican representatives sent a letter to the Department of Justice asking it to “declare prosecution of obscene pornography a criminal justice priority.” The letter touched a fault line within the conservative intellectual world: Libertarians and small-government conservatives declared it a nanny-state heresy, while traditionalists, including the New York Post’s Sohrab Ahmari, praised it. As Ahmari argued on Twitter, “the Founding generation would likely have reacted to [pornography sites] not with high-libertarian nostrums, but with tar and feathers.” Entirely absent from these rounds of bombast, however, is a realistic assessment of what a successful campaign to restrict pornography might look like.

I, like many social conservatives, am deeply committed to rolling back the influence of pornography on American society. The industry is exploitative, it often profits from sexual trafficking and other forms of abuse, and it has a corrosive effect on both individuals and the wider culture: Studies suggest that consumption of online pornography can wear out the brain’s reward system, that it can alter sexual tastes, and that for men in particular, it can negatively affect mental health, body image, and the ability to form and maintain real-life relationships. Nor is it a marginal problem: One 2018 study found that 80% of men ages 18-35 had watched pornography within the last week.

Yet any campaign to restrict pornography must begin with the recognition that this is a difficult task. Many countries, including China, Japan, and South Korea, have tried, and none have had more than partial success. The question, then, is not one of pornography vs. no pornography, but of what types of pornography will be produced, how it will be distributed, and how easy it will be to access. And because we, unlike the censors of communist China, live in a democracy, we must be able to build broad public support for restriction.

So, what do Americans think about pornography? According to a Gallup survey from 2018, 45% of the public does not believe that viewing it is morally wrong in any way whatsoever. A bare majority disapproves of it, but there is no sign they are ready to ban it entirely. A successful anti-pornography campaign will have to operate within these constraints. That will mean attempting to create a more restrictive online environment than now exists, one where it is substantially more difficult for children to get ahold of pornography, where only adults willing to pay for it can access it, and the industry is held liable for the abuses that it profits from.

Not too long ago, such an environment was easy to imagine. In the late '90s and early aughts, the adult film industry was very different than it is today. The industry made most of its money through DVD sales or gated websites that required users to pay to access content. Individual performers could create their own sites and make millions through subscriptions, and free pornography was difficult to get ahold of. That world is no more. Performers labor as peons to an unethical global monopoly, and free pornography is everywhere.

The change was largely the result of technology, and specifically, the ability of websites to host and stream video cheaply. The same developments that made YouTube possible made a host of “tube” pornography sites possible as well. Like YouTube, these websites host free, user-generated content, although in reality, much of their content is pirated from the gated sites.

The company most responsible for this state of affairs is Mindgeek, which owns Pornhub and a host of other popular tube sites. In the late aughts, Mindgeek created a half-dozen tube sites and then used the ad profits it made from pirated material to buy out large but struggling studios. By the mid-2010s, the company had a vice grip on the entire industry. Performers now work at a fraction of the wages that they would have earned in 2000. They are filmed by Mindgeek-owned studios, have their performances released by Mindgeek-owned distributors, and then have the same films pirated and uploaded onto Mindgeek-owned tube sites.

The sheer evil of this entire process was put on display in 2019 by a court case filed against a Pornhub content channel named "Girls Do Porn." The channel's producers lied to the women in their videos, asking them to sign complicated, fine-print-filled contracts (some while drunk, others while still legally minors) that gave the producers the right to upload the finished product on “tube” sites, even as they told the girls involved that the scenes they were about to film would only appear in “DVDs for ‘private collectors’ in Australia and New Zealand.” The videos were instead uploaded to a channel that has racked up some 677 million total views. Mindgeek knew about the problem for months but would not remove the channel until the producers were indicted on sex trafficking charges. And although Mindgeek eventually took the “official” videos down, it still presides over a media ecosystem in which pirated copies of them will live on forever. Our task is not to ban adult material but to ban the business model that allows companies like Mindgeek to prosper.

How could this be accomplished? As a start, the Justice Department could enforce antitrust laws against Mindgeek, which is now virtually a monopoly. Tube sites should also be stripped of their immunity under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which protects them from legal liability for the user-generated content they host. Without this immunity, they will be compelled to spend vast sums of money policing every single one of their own uploads for pirated material. In all likelihood, they will soon be faced with hundreds, if not thousands, of court cases. One could further twist the knife by raising taxes on ad revenue for all sites that publish obscene material. Free pornography would soon become a money-losing business.

None of these measures will get rid of pornography. In fact, a world without Mindgeek and the tubes sites would be a world in which studios and performers made a lot more money than they do now. They would prefer such a world full of walls. But so should we. We cannot end pornography, but we can build a world where it is a lot harder to get your hands on it. If done right, such a restriction campaign might garner support from unlikely corners, including not only feminists but some adult performers themselves. That is the nucleus of a coalition whose reforms will stick.
 

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Here's another thing we can thank the normalization of porn for--ruining children's cartoons:

When I was young, I loved to use the internet to track the creators of my favorite art. I wanted to know who they were and what else they made. I spent long hours looking up illustrators, character designers, background artists. I would guess which voice actors voiced which characters in TV cartoons, and try to confirm it online without looking at the actors’ real faces. (After all, didn’t it ruin the fun to see the real person behind the cartoon person?)

Even then, though, the internet was for porn.

Rule 34 of the internet: “if it exists, there’s porn of it.” It’s unclear exactly when or where this idea originated — sometime in the ’00s — but in the end it was less of an observation than it was an edict. The internet took it as a challenge, an idea that must be made reality. Many it treated as something of a college-frat-boy joke, something with which to shock and entertain their friends.

Other members of the internet had a more specific interest in it. And so they went to work.

Rule 34 meant Strawberry Shortcake porn. It meant Arthur porn. Thomas the Tank Engine porn. Caillou porn. Dora the Explorer porn. Avatar: The Last Airbender, Clifford the Big Red Dog, Phineas and Ferb, Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Animal Crossing porn. Ben 10 porn. SpongeBob SquarePants porn. Doug porn. Kim Possible porn. Ducktales porn. Powerpuff Girls porn. Even Bob the Builder porn. And so on and so forth.

At times it took on an almost automatic, mechanical quality — simply going down the checklist. A certain sector of the internet felt a pressing need to “corrupt” as many things as they could, however they could, as much as they could. As the Twitter user gravislizard wrote in a viral tweet thread last year:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There was a formula. Nobody knew where it came from, but it seemed to have been there forever. The response to /all/ cultural phenomena was to create something deeply cynical and usually violent and we were doing it like we were punching a clock. The laughs were forced.</p>— Gravis (edited) (@gravislizard) <a href="https://twitter.com/gravislizard/status/976491649986576384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Still others participated because it was an excuse to finally indulge the worst inclinations they possessed. But among both groups, a favorite target was children’s media. For as much as they loved the idea of corrupting things, there was no greater thrill than the thought that they were “corrupting childhoods”; that their world would collide with the world of children.

During this early era, the one upside was that these underground online groups were comfortably separate from the mainstream. The subculture of kids’ cartoon “corrupters” was a world away from the community of legitimate children’s animators on the internet. Rule 34 existed, and kids could find it if they tried, but it wasn’t the fundamental force underlying the spirit of the online cartoon community.

Eventually the Rule 34 project slowed, partly because the novelty wore out and partly because the mantle was passed onto people who didn’t require any such label. People who had spent long enough on the internet to naturally embody the darkest version of the ideal set forth in the Rule — and like it, too.

What’s the worst that could happen?

When My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic first started airing in 2010, it quickly gained a following of adult male fans who called themselves “bronies.” There’s nothing inherently wrong with that. But as Gianna DeCarlo described in her Baltimore City Paper post “The problem with bronies: a look at the corruption of ‘My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic’ ”:

…the problem with bronies has nothing to [do with] grown men liking a children’s cartoon and everything to do with their usurping of a safe space for young girls and distorting it into a hypersexual and toxic environment for these younger fans.

The adult fanbase of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic has become legendary for the vast ocean of pornography they’ve created of the TV show’s cast of small cartoon animals. For years, it’s been easy for kids to find disturbing sexual imagery of these characters just by looking up their names on Google Images, even with SafeSearch enabled. Search anything My Little Pony related and you’ll quickly come across extreme fetish art. According to Ule Lopez of Geek Reply: “there is a dedicated section to child pornography in sites like Derpibooru and FiMFiction. This category is known as ‘Foalcon.’ ”

Another famous example of brony excesses is, as Nicky Vaught of Technician described, “Molestia … [the] parody character of the show’s character, Celestia. The site, Ask Princess Molestia, operated in blog format, [and] often dealt in pornographic fan art — of cartoon ponies — and even more often in rape and molestation jokes.” He went on to quote a member of the My Little Pony fan community who petitioned for the deletion of Ask Princess Molestia as saying, “I recently babysat a child who … upon seeing my massive My Little Pony collection, ran to my Friendship is Magic shelf and started naming them … Once she got to Celestia, she told me she rapes people.”

Children who grew up in the 2010s are natives to the internet. Even by 2011, studies showed that one-fourth of children under age 6 used the internet and 59% of those aged 6-to-9 logged on daily. It’s second nature for this generation of kids to keep up with their favorite children’s programs online, or even to follow the social media accounts of those shows’ creators. But the safe space that a show like My Little Pony offers children on television is missing on the internet, where official art rubs shoulders with “Molestia,” and an official YouTube video is likely to lead straight to the site’s darkest reaches.

According to some experts, the potential dangers of children being exposed to porn include depression, social anxiety and self-harm. Discovering porn at a young age — when children often have poor impulse control and difficulty parsing their emotions — can also lead to porn addictions. On top of that, in a 2013 study by Middlesex University, 276 submitted papers showed that “children and young people who view pornography tend to hold less progressive gender role attitudes.” Many of the more positive studies are, at most, merely inconclusive. The whole situation has led feminist writer Judith Shulevitz to state in The New York Times: “It’s O.K., Liberal Parents, You Can Freak Out About Porn.”

Eventually, brony antics expanded beyond just internet porn and overflowed into the physical world. My Little Pony conventions attended by its young fans were also frequented by inhabitants of the internet’s sewer, buying and selling things like erotic bodypillows of the show’s cast. There was a notable child stalking scare at one such convention. Elsewhere, the brony ToonKriticY2K made news for allegedly grooming a fourteen-year-old girl over the internet and soliciting explicit photos from her. These are the inherent dangers of making a children’s space “hypersexual and toxic,” as DeCarlo put it.

Kids’ TV animators have had many reactions to the proliferation of porn of their work over the years. Bemusement, amusement, winks and nudges. However, one reaction that’s been difficult to find has been condemnation. Whatever their opinion of it, they often shy away from such public pronouncements. Some may feel powerless to change the situation. Others could be taking a more pragmatic view. Why appear prudish or anger part of the fanbase when, most likely, it will have little-to-no effect on the speed of the porn creation?

In fact, if anything has changed since the early years of Rule 34, it’s been in the opposite direction. While groups like the bronies were making the connection between porn and kids’ TV animation almost mainstream, the link was growing inside the industry as well. Today, online porn, whether created by fans or by the staff themselves, hasn’t just become a normal part of the children’s TV community. It’s become acceptable.

Going mainstream

More than at any time in history, creators are available to interact with fans online. And fans are more aware of them than ever. On sites like Fandom, they create lists of storyboarders and which episodes they’ve worked on. They maintain vast databases of the ins and outs of their favorite properties. And they keep up with creators’ social media accounts. Alex Hirsch of Gravity Falls has joked about the huge number of young children who contact him on Twitter — kids who see animators as “halfway between artists or Santa Claus.”

So what might a young cartoon fan of today discover when they venture online to engage with their favorite show?

Suppose a child liked the way that Batman looked in DC’s Justice League Action and wanted to find out who designed him. A quick name search on Google of the show’s lead character designer, a man who got his start at John Kricfalusi’s studio Spümcø, brings up a wall of his porn artwork. Meanwhile, the creator of Cartoon Network’s Mighty Magiswords currently follows porn artists and erotic models on his professional Twitter account that he uses to interact with fans. Because Twitter has spent years training its algorithm to close the gap between people you follow and the accounts they follow — whether through “Like” histories or random recommendations—this is enough to send such content into a kid’s feed.

Inside fan communities, it’s not just bronies who pump sexualized fan art into the mainstream anymore. Children’s cartoons like The Loud House — Nickelodeon’s hit show by Chris Savino — already have thriving groups of adult artists creating fetish art ranging from inflation to lolicon of the 6-year-old Lana Loud, all of which is accessible with an innocent Google search of her name. (Inflation, as cartoonist Ryan North explained for the adult website Oh Joy Sex Toy, is a sexual fetish involving people who swell like balloons.) On YouTube, viral videos like “Lynn X Lincoln��” and “The Loud House Characters as Anime,” each weighing in at 2.2 million views, reimagine the show’s cast of children in disturbing ways. The former shows a post-coital scene between 11- and 13-year-old siblings as the sister wonders whether she could become pregnant.

Today, creators of sexual or outright pornographic fan works based on children’s TV often mingle with the official production staff. Consider Mike Inel: his hit video “What if ‘The Amazing World Of Gumball’ was an anime” boasts 33 million views and an endorsement from showrunner Ben Bocquelet himself. What Bocquelet may not have known is that Inel (aka manyakis) also openly has a career making hardcore porn based on Gumball, Gravity Falls — particularly 12-year-old protagonist Mabel Pines — and many other children’s TV properties.

While Inel remains firmly in the fan community, other creators of unsettling porn are making the leap directly into children’s TV animation. In fact, artists who cut their teeth participating in the darker side of the internet now make up a sizable portion of the talent pool that networks draw from. Paul Robertson is famous for his contributions to Gravity Falls: the iconic sprites for .GIFfany and Rumble McSkirmish were his work. But Robertson is also a guro artist responsible for, among other things, an image of a monstrous General Custer slaughtering and raping dozens of Native American women (NSFW). This is not a secret — he’s been photographed with it publicly.

The ascension of such artists into the mainstream animation industry is ongoing. Some of them got their start all the way back in the Rule 34 era.

A good example is ZONE-SAMA, one of the premier Rule 34 artists who has maintained popularity into the present day. ZONE rose to prominence by making extreme porn animations of children’s TV shows in the 2000s and 2010s, often with shockingly accurate recreations of each cartoon’s art style. Targets included Foster’s Home, My Life as a Teenage Robot — one of which features the gang rape of protagonist Jenny—Teen Titans and beyond. Since around 2016, one of ZONE’s recurring subjects has been Peridot, a child-like character from Cartoon Network’s Steven Universe. Around that time, ZONE was also hired to animate for Cartoon Network’s OK K.O.! Let’s Be Heroes.

And ZONE is part of a trend.

A surprising amount of the new blood in the animation industry got its start on Newgrounds, a content hosting and social media website where users can post their own games, music, drawings and videos. Since 1995, its community has been notable for its freewheeling anti-censorship spirit, shock-jockery, and, once again, porn. ZONE is one of its most iconic contributors. For the site that gave the internet post-9/11 Flash games, the “Barney Bunch” and interactive Rule 34 games starring 10-year-old Gwen Tennyson, the transition into mainstream animation is quite a leap.

Studio Yotta, a rising star in the animation industry, was founded by Newgrounders earlier this decade. It frequently employs freelancers from a hiring pool of Newgrounds alumni. Yotta has overcome its humble origins and managed to find work on things like ThunderCats Roar, OK K.O.! and even the opening animation to Disney’s new Amphibia. The company embodies the clan pride common to Newgrounders, a desire to stick together against the world, to maintain the common roots that tie them all together. When Yotta was hired to work on the OK K.O.! shorts, they brought ZONE along for the ride. Similarly, animators like the popular porn artist and ex-Newgrounder Ryan Miller contributed to Amphibia’s intro.

While many of the artists in Yotta’s orbit are simply struggling animators trying to get by, the Newgrounds diaspora is messy. Its tight-knit culture makes it hard to cut off the darker sectors of the community. A number of Yotta-connected artists (including the animator Chris O’Neill) still associate with Shadman, the most infamous porn artist from Newgrounds and perhaps the internet itself. Labeled by Gizmodo as “one of the alt-right’s favorite artists,” Shadman is the Rule 34 artist’s Rule 34 artist, a man who has complained of the legal troubles he faced for creating degrading porn based on the 12-year-old actress Dafne Keen from Logan. For years his work has put young girls from cartoons like The Loud House and Ben 10 in nightmarish and often inventively violent — even fatal — sexual situations.

The founders of Studio Yotta continue to follow Shadman on Twitter. Another Newgrounds alumnus with ties to Cartoon Network, Arin Hanson of Mighty Magiswords, has openly collaborated with him in the past. This is simply normal communal behavior for Newgrounds ex-pats, regularly done without a second thought. But it’s concerning when fringe online figures like Shadman and ZONE — also a Hanson collaborator — get so near to the mainstream children’s cartoons they pornographize for a living. It represents a sea change in what kids can expect to find in children’s animation communities, and, in some cases, maybe even in the shows themselves.

“I say bring it on”

The most high-profile figure to hop from the online Rule 34 scene into children’s TV, though, isn’t ZONE or anyone else from Newgrounds. Surprisingly, it’s the creator of one of Cartoon Network’s largest hits this decade: Rebecca Sugar, showrunner for Steven Universe.

Sugar got her start in cartoon fan communities during the 2000s, posting fan art to social networks like LiveJournal. Way back in 2007, her technical skill caught the eye of Cartoon Brew’s Amid Amidi — who also reported on the “disturbing” nature of much of Sugar’s work at the time. Specifically, Sugar created Rule 34 art. Among other things, she drew comics that portray the awkward, vulnerable sexual encounters of preteen characters from the Cartoon Network show Ed, Edd n Eddy. The work, which is still floating around the internet, fixates on the inexperience and uncertainty of its subjects, on the uncomfortable blurred lines of sex at a young age.

But Amidi’s prediction that Sugar had “a bright future” came true. Just two years later, in 2009, she was hired to Adventure Time as a storyboarder, and she quickly made the jump to showrunner status with Steven Universe. For an artist from the online underground scene, it was a rare honor.

Critics have hailed Steven Universe as a new standard in storytelling, emotional complexity and representation in kids’ TV. It made history as the first children’s cartoon to portray a same-sex wedding. Sugar was able to do this by very smartly creating characters who would allow her to bypass the old-fashioned censors of LGBTQ+ content at Cartoon Network. While the alien race in the show — the Gems — identify as female, they are technically genderless holograms projected by living rocks. This distinction allows the show to explore many different aspects of gender and sexual orientation usually rendered off-limits by the old guard of children’s TV.

However, at the same time, the appearance of many Gems as very young — though they are technically hundreds or thousands of years old — is used to explore sexual situations involving child-like characters.

Gems in Steven Universe can fuse, a dance-like activity that allows two or more of them to form a single, larger being. The show uses fusion as a metaphor for many things — friendship, romance, companionship. But it’s also used at times as a rather blatant metaphor for sex. Take fusion scenes like the one in “Sexy Fuse,” a YouTube upload with 4.3 million views. It’s thinly-veiled enough that many of the kids in the comments openly (via abundant emoji and confused typing) express discomfort with it. This makes fusion somewhat alarming when it’s mixed with Steven Universe’s younger-looking and -acting characters.

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Peridot, despite being an alien, looks and acts just like a child. Her unique mannerisms have been hailed by fans as an all-time-great example of neuroatypical representation in children’s cartoons.

One scene from the episode “Log Date 7 15 2” is a good example. The character Garnet invites the younger and less worldly Peridot, a Gem who has never fused before and is uneasy about the idea, to fuse with her and learn what all the fuss is about. The child-like Gem tumbles backwards, blushing and flustered at the come-on. Uncertain at first, Peridot works up her courage and decides to go through with it. Garnet puts on music and Peridot straps paint cans to her feet to keep up with her taller partner. But Peridot’s inexperience and awkwardness quickly leave her overwhelmed, and she calls off the fusion before it’s finished.

In another episode, the half-Gem protagonist Steven goes to the beach with his romantic interest — a 12-year-old human girl named Connie who’s two years his junior. While flirting, they accidentally fuse into the more mature-looking Stevonnie. Steven’s Gem mentor Pearl declares this “inappropriate,” but Stevonnie states that it “feels amazing.” Later, though, the two halves of Stevonnie have a moment of uncertainty. “Are you okay? We can stop, if you…” says one side.

One of the most disquieting plotlines related to fusion comes when Pearl, under false pretenses, tricks Garnet into fusing with her multiple times. Pearl says that she “couldn’t help” herself, and continues, “When we fuse, I can feel what it’s like to be you… confident and secure and complete.” Her actions lead Garnet to split into two halves — each one a smaller Gem with a preteen appearance — who struggle to deal with the fallout of pseudo-sexual betrayal. Child-like characters are placed once again into a vulnerable position in a landscape of blurred lines and uncertain boundaries. In the end, Pearl is accepted back into the fold with no lasting repercussions.

These aren’t the usual adult jokes buried in subtext for the grown-ups in the room. They aren’t even jokes — they’re explorations of troubling themes, executed in often-troubling ways. Despite the merits of Steven Universe, and despite its progressive handling of gender and sexual orientation, the show’s missteps into disturbing territory can’t simply be brushed aside.

But Steven Universe was a hit with the internet. Like My Little Pony, Cartoon Network’s show has drawn an online fanbase of adults outside its core demographic. And this fan community, like the bronies, has become notorious for filling the internet with porn in every configuration, especially of young-looking characters like Peridot. To call this environment hypersexual is almost an understatement. Google Images is a minefield, and any attempt to engage with Steven Universe on social media quickly runs into an endless river of erotica.

The comparison between the two fanbases wasn’t lost on certain spectators, including Ian Jones-Quartey, co-showrunner of Steven Universe and romantic partner of Rebecca Sugar. In 2015, he shared a fan comic on the subject and remarked that it was “exactly” how the situation looked to the show’s team:

His remark was already a step beyond the general silence that the My Little Pony staff has maintained about the porn culture around their show. But Jones-Quartey went further a minute later. In a since-deleted follow-up tweet, he seemingly supported the fans’ work: “not that i have anything against risqué fanart btw. I love it all, even the gross stuff. it’s fun!”

Jones-Quartey’s comment was in line with his past statements on the subject. The director — himself a veteran of Newgrounds, and now in charge of OK K.O.! on Cartoon Network — has encouraged fans on Twitter to push the envelope with their fan art. In a three-tweet thread from 2014, he remarked that the Steven Universe writer’s room “is waaaay sicker than stuff I see on tumblr.” He drew a comparison between himself and what he termed the “gross nerds” in the community, writing, “My complaint with most weird fanart I see is usually ‘This isn’t going far enough.’ ”

When a fan noted that the director’s words could soon be “ringing through the abyss and awakening some heretofore unimaginable fanart monster,” he received this reply from Jones-Quartey: “I say bring it on.”

The words and actions of high-ranking figures in the children’s animation industry help to set the tone for what’s acceptable there. Jones-Quartey clearly means no harm to anyone with his statements — but the problem is that kids’ TV shows like Steven Universe and OK K.O.! are for kids. If these were adult animated series being surrounded by cultures of extreme porn art, it would mean something entirely different. But that simply isn’t the case. Shows like Steven Universe have to take into account, both in their content and their surrounding culture, that they exist primarily for children.

Just as with My Little Pony, there are kids watching Steven Universe and kids looking to engage with it online. There are kids joining social media for the purpose of interacting with the creators of these cartoons or participating in the fan cultures around them. Showrunners like Jones-Quartey and Sugar create work responsible, in some ways, for drawing children into online communities. That’s the reality of making a mainstream cartoon today. The question is, are kids being drawn to safe spaces? Or is the fan community around kids’ cartoons like Steven Universe a “hypersexual and toxic environment,” where kids and adults mingle and boundaries disappear?

What kind of culture should industry figures encourage around the kids’ cartoons they work on? And where is the line drawn when artists with backgrounds like ZONE’s — an animator who has worked on Jones-Quartey’s own series — cross over into mainstream children’s entertainment?

The Steven Universe brand has similarly attracted its share of questionable collaborators. Japan’s Studio Trigger — an animation company that’s gained notoriety in the United States for raunchy sex comedies starring underage girls — lent Steven Universe a senior animator for one key sequence. (OK K.O.! has continued the love affair.) Studio Trigger’s mascots, dubbed the “Trigger Girls,” include a prepubescent child in a very small bikini. Trigger often hires erotic artists to illustrate these characters: here’s one such image (NSFW) available one click away from its main page as of this writing. The great irony is that Trigger’s senior staff includes at least one brony, Yoh Yoshinari.

This is to say nothing of the controversial fan artist “Purple Kecleon,” hired by Boom! Studios as a cover illustrator for the official Steven Universe comic series. Kecleon’s infamous porn fan works have typically featured Pokémon and other small animals, such as My Little Pony characters (“foals” included), rendered with infant characteristics. Even before Kecleon was hired, the artist had posted publicly — on one of several Tumblr accounts they acknowledged as their own — about their overriding interest in porn that depicts “innocence being broken.”

The public flirtation of children’s media with artists like these doesn’t just risk exposing kids to porn — it normalizes the entire idea of hypersexuality being present in children’s spaces, often in its most extreme forms. The trends I’ve described above are larger than any person or group of people in the children’s animation industry. It’s a systemic problem that will only grow if it’s left unaddressed.

Just business

The spread of porn based on children’s shows, and the upcycling of porn artists from this scene into mainstream children’s animation, isn’t some kind of grand conspiracy. It’s mostly the byproduct of what was simplest from a business perspective.

Something few people might realize today, given the proliferation of fan works based on corporate properties, is that fan work is still copyright infringement. Many of these artists are selling what is essentially our version of Chinese bootleg merchandise. Those Zelda and Marvel bookmarks, posters, blankets and charms you see everywhere at fan conventions and online? All technically illegal. But major copyright holders have largely let it happen for decades. They do the same with most fan-made internet porn, very little of which could legally be defended as a parody and therefore as protected speech. Why?

As with anything involving the behavior of big corporations, the first question we have to ask is: how does it benefit them? For one, they want to avoid the reputational damage they’d face for cracking down on fan art communities. But that can’t be the only factor. Otherwise, why would companies like Nintendo be so swift and merciless when it comes to fan-created games, even as they continue to face backlash for it? Why destroy history-preserving ROM sites in an act that Vice correctly called “offensive” and “tragic”? They’re clearly willing to take a stand when they feel it’s in their interests.

To explain the other side of the equation, here’s Jonathan Bailey, an expert on plagiarism and the founder of Plagiarism Today:

From a copyright holder viewpoint, fan fiction and art is usually not very harmful. Fans create works that are openly recognized to be non-canon to the story and are not replacements for the original.

In fact, some feel these fan communities actually serve a valuable service to copyright holders by providing a thriving site for fans to visit, keeping them entertained and engaged between official releases. In short, since fan creations don’t take away sales of the original work, they are often seen as free promotion and a way to grow the brand without cost or effort.

Fan works are free advertisements. They increase brand engagement and recognition. No amount of money could buy the number of fan-produced artworks that accompany most Marvel movie launches, for example. And the creation and consumption of this fan work allows fans to constantly fill their lives with their favorite properties — to build close, intimate relationships with them that no corporation could create by itself.

While fan-made porn of kids’ cartoons might once have seemed like an image problem for companies like Cartoon Network, they’ve decided that they can let it slide. And it makes sense. Cartoon Network will never compete in the porn arena, and the company feels it has nothing to lose by letting its brands spread there. The Nickelodeon cartoon The Modifyers is perhaps the best example. Originally a failed pilot that came and went without much notice in the ‘00s, it surged in popularity in 2013 after ZONE created an extreme pornographic animation based on it. Today, nearly all of the comments on its YouTube upload reference ZONE’s work. Maybe Nickelodeon finds it distasteful, but the company has seen only gains.

The same logic applies with the brony scene. Hasbro has a captive audience of famously-obsessive fans, many of whom fall into what mobile game companies would call “whale” status — a statistical minority with outsize spending habits. While many internet-savvy people now perceive an unbreakable link between My Little Pony and horrifying porn, the damage has seemingly been outweighed by Hasbro’s profits. A porn repository like Derpibooru could have been issued a cease-and-desist order at any time in the last seven years, but Hasbro remained silent.

The French media company Ankama made the move that Hasbro and Nickelodeon didn’t — which brings us back to ZONE, one last time. After the artist created a porn animation based on the children’s cartoon series Wakfu, an Ankama property, the company sent ZONE a DMCA takedown notice. The work was deleted, and ZONE has stated that no further adaptations will be forthcoming. “t’s their right to defend their IPs in whatever way they see fit,” ZONE tweeted. “Not everyone likes porn of their work.”

In a very real way, the “hypersexual and toxic” culture that has sprung up around children’s TV cartoons is of companies’ own making. They actively allow it to happen simply by doing nothing — creating a lawless vacuum where anything goes and porn coexists with harmless fan creations. The fact that artists rise from this culture into the mainstream animation industry is just a long-term consequence of these business practices: it goes without saying that some fans of kids’ TV will want to work in kids’ TV, and those fans will be formed by whatever culture exists around the work. The boost companies get from hiring an artist already popular online just adds to the incentive. But none of it had to happen.

There’s an old adage that the internet is too mercurial, too vast and too slippery to alter or contain. While it’s true to an extent, the idea dates to the ’90s, and the internet of today is a different animal. It’s no longer a chaotic, unknowable swirl: most of what interests people is contained on a handful of sites. The “kings of the internet” are no longer shock-jocks on personal pages, hidden behind three layers of pseudonymity. Even voices as loud and dangerous as the ones on InfoWars can be silenced through a few platform bans. Discussing the death of the meme generator YTMND, Bijan Stephen noted in The Verge:

…the internet itself has changed. As more people came online, and the web became less a place for nerds and social misfits, and as the internet became more centralized because of platforms like Facebook and Twitter, … sites like YTMND became less and less important.

Certainly, there are still dark corners that hark back to the early days of the internet. But they aren’t corners where you can reliably build an audience or start a business. For the most part, the internet is now a mundane place, where 30–40 year old professional porn artists manage their Patreons, maintain engagement with their audiences and upload new content at regular intervals. Many of the old anti-establishment types rely on the exposure that only sites like Twitter can give them. Rebels like Shadman have been domesticated. They try to maintain a “naughty” aura around their work, but in essence they’ve become no more than businesspeople.

And, in return, corporations benefit from the traffic these businesspeople generate. But it would take very little to stop them from making porn based on children’s television, and even less to stop hiring the Purple Kecleons of the world onto children’s media.

Changing with the times

The original reason that the internet was created was so that adults — mainly researchers and academics — could freely share information. Its early interfaces were so abstruse that most laypeople couldn’t even use it. Over time, computers and the internet were streamlined for commercial use, and they became a commodity for the general public. Even kids could navigate the online world. Today, it has simplified to the point where toddlers can use it. And companies, for their part, are trying to maximize that use.

After all, who has more potential free time to browse the internet than a child?

The internet is no longer just a place for adults. Kids not only use the internet now — they in some ways dominate it. “Children under 13 have emerged as one of the most lucrative demographics for [YouTube] creators,” wrote Wired earlier this month. Videos for toddlers and other preteen viewers rack up more advertising money than almost any others, even as the site’s disturbing, even dystopian nature comes into clearer view. YouTube tries to dodge the bullet by gesturing toward YouTube Kids, its unpopular and ineffective Band-Aid fix that most kids don’t actually use. Hence the opening sentence of the Wired article linked above: “YouTube has a child exploitation problem.”

The attempt to place responsibility for kids’ online safety solely on the shoulders of parents doesn’t make sense anymore, and is often simply a deflection tactic to defend callous corporate practices. Per Shulevitz: “I develop anger-management issues whenever I read an advice column telling me to keep a close watch on my child’s online activity, as if an adult could plausibly hover over a teenager long enough to ensure that he never clicks on 4chan.”

All of which makes creators in the children’s animation industry seem out-of-touch when they shrug off fan-made porn. “People can do whatever they want with these characters,” Alex Hirsch said about the cast of Gravity Falls in 2015. “It’s not like I get upset about it! I’m just amused; I don’t care. Keep being weird — be weirder!” Here he echoes Jones-Quartey’s remarks in defense of Steven Universe’s porn artists. But their comments are uncannily similar to a key part of the argument that Chris O’Neill, as mentioned previously, has used to defend Shadman:

drawing anything is permissible, anything in the whole wide world! that is his choice, you do not have to look at his art. its not like you are being forced. i 100% believe people can joke about anything :)

With statements like these, what creators like Hirsch, Jones-Quartey and O‘Neill are showing more than anything is their age. They remember the underground internet of 15 or even 20 years ago, a free-for-all where no one had to consider whether toddlers were in the audience. Using the internet was treated like riding a bull; if you got hurt, you were old enough to know what you were signing up for. You couldn’t expect it to change — if you didn’t like porn of children’s cartoons, you went elsewhere online. But that’s simply an outdated way of viewing it. A better comparison today might be someone pinning porn to the walls outside a McDonald’s ball pit and yelling “don’t look!” at the kids who walk by.

The question of porn based on children’s animation is now much bigger than what consenting adults do in their private lives. Is it really harmless fun when kids stumble across lolicon artwork of their favorite cartoon characters — characters they see themselves in? Is the internet really better off when tens of millions of kids watch fetish animations by “secretgoombaman12345” that show Steven Universe, My Little Pony and Gravity Falls characters inflating like blimps and bursting?

And how is it wrong for companies like Hasbro and Cartoon Network — even as they continue to allow most fan artists to provide them with free advertising — to enforce their copyright when it comes to extreme or disturbing porn based on their children’s properties? Would the world truly be a worse place if Derpibooru didn’t have a “Foalcon” section?

This is a systemic problem. It can be solved, but only if the children’s animation industry collectively realizes the responsibility it has to its young fans. This is much bigger than individual people, bigger than whichever unfortunate scapegoats a corporation might “cancel” to save its reputation and preserve the status quo. When Cartoon Network as a whole plays footsie with Shadman, when Hasbro turns a blind eye to brony toxicity, these actions have consequences. These companies — not at the showrunner level, but at the highest corporate and legal echelons — have allowed the problems in their communities to grow to this size. And only these companies can decide whether they want kids’ TV to be a safe space for kids again.


I left out the internal links since there's a lot of NSFW stuff in there. So if you've got kids, and they start watching anything drawn in the CalArts style:

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...you basically have to assume that the creators were hopelessly warped in Rule 34/ DeviantArt communities in the 00s. So glad American children are being exposed to the moral imaginations of these people, whose overriding interest is in porn that depicts "innocence being broken!" It's straight-up demonic.

But porn's just a private decision, right? Doesn't hurt anyone else.
 

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This reminded me of a Second City improv show I saw with my family back in March. One of the skits was set in a kindergarten and was centered around having the "kids" describe their sexual fantasies to the understanding teacher. Damn near the whole audience laughed, while I was disgusted. It seemed to me that they were doing nothing but sexualizing children to score some "woke" points.
 

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Here's another thing we can thank the normalization of porn for--ruining children's cartoons:



I left out the internal links since there's a lot of NSFW stuff in there. So if you've got kids, and they start watching anything drawn in the CalArts style:

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...you basically have to assume that the creators were hopelessly warped in Rule 34/ DeviantArt communities in the 00s. So glad American children are being exposed to the moral imaginations of these people, whose overriding interest is in porn that depicts "innocence being broken!" It's straight-up demonic.

But porn's just a private decision, right? Doesn't hurt anyone else.

And it’s allegedly prevalent in Hollywood and the elite circles in NYC. This doc attempts to expose them.

https://youtu.be/0wTiCxXgrJw
 

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Read the article above. I'm in a pretty unique position to talk about this. I frequented Newgrounds a ton in the early to mid 2000s (Not in recent years, so I can't comment on their current content or if they even still exist). I knew Ian Jones-Quartey's work long before he got a job with Cartoon Network, when he was just a college kid with a free cartoon blog called RPG World (Excellent strip that lampoons JRPGs from the 90s, but sadly was never finished). I've only seen a bit of Jones-Quartey's work from OK Go. My daughter watches MLP Friendship is Magic and Gravity Falls, and I've watched both with her. I know of Shadman's work because he created a female version of Fallout's Pipboy which was adapted as a mod for Fallout 4 (Both in a SFW space and NSFW space). I don't know a thing about Steven Universe.

That said, the article runs pretty loose with some of it's statements. It demonizes Newgrounds quite a bit. Newgrounds wasn't innocent, like much of the internet it had it's dark corner. The vast majority of content on Newgrounds was very tame though, even though the site's main demographic was the 20 something crowd. Sure, they had some of the gratuitous cartoon violence that made Joe Cartoon popular around the same time, or some risque Flash stuff, but they're making Newgrounds out to be the Porn Hub of cartoons. It was not that bad.

The article also mentions Ian Jones-Quartey, he seems to get thrown under the bus quite a bit too for some comments he made several years ago (which have sense been deleted according to the article). He doesn't make content like that, and never has as far as I know. I'd honestly be interested to see the context of that interview they referenced because I think the author is exaggerating some of the connections they're making like many of their other statements. Overall I wouldn't demonize the guy because he made some since deleted comments several years ago.

A lot is also said about MLP above, probably because it's the most visible IP and probably the one with the most adult content. The article says "For years, it’s been easy for kids to find disturbing sexual imagery of these characters just by looking up their names on Google Images, even with SafeSearch enabled." For my own curiosity I've tested this in the past since my daughter is a fan of MLP, and I've tested it again just now. I just did some basic, kid friendly searches with SafeSearch both on and off. You're not blasted with disgusting MLP porn with either option. If you incorporate a sexual term with SafeSearch off, yeah, you'll get a lot of hits. I mean a ton of hits. However, with SafeSearch on I get nothing. If your kids are searching with such adult terms in their browser, chances are they they've already been exposed long before now and you've failed protecting them as a parent.

The article makes a lot of noise about kids Googling the voice actors of their favorite shows or the show creators wanting to know more about them, and then stumbling upon fan created work that way. Honestly though, how many kids are going to be that inquisitive about the real life creators and THEN happen to dig far enough in the internet they find risque material? Last week I heard the voice of Mabel on Gravity Falls and said "I know that voice, who is that?" which prompted me to search out Kristen Schaal. Searching Kristen Schaal doesn't yield anything bad, and you'd probably have to go incredibly far down a rabbit hole to find anything like that connected to her unintentionally. I ask questions about voice actors and stuff like that in my 30s, but I didn't care about that when I was watching He-Man in my younger days, or even watching Disney cartoons like Darkwing Duck in my pre-teens. Google may not have been a thing in He-Man's heyday, but I was online plenty in my teen years and the internet was a lot looser back then with less protections. Bottom line, I think the article makes a lot of assumptions about what most kids are going to be searching for online as if they're going to stumble upon these things unintentionally and easily.

With that out of the way, I'll also say I don't care for that cartoon crap, it's not my thing. I certainly don't want my daughter (or sons) exposed to it, and as mentioned I take steps to make sure she's safeguarded in addition to monitoring her activity. Just like anywhere else on the internet there are some sick and perverted individuals that you have to watch out for, and there's some content that goes over the line. The article says "For as much as they loved the idea of corrupting things, there was no greater thrill than the thought that they were 'corrupting childhoods.'" People like that are mentally ill, they need help. However, artists that are making risque material out of cartoons are not doing it with the intention of corrupting children. They make it for adults, and it's generally hidden from plain site behind places like Deviant Art pages, or subscription sites. Even if it's not my thing, I'm not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater because there's a few sick individuals that go too far. If we're going to do that, you might as well shut the whole internet down.

At the end of the day it's up to parents to monitor and police their child's online activities because, lets face it, Pandora's Box was opened long ago. Limiting screen time can go a long way, along with safeguards, filters, and traffic checks. While I agree with some of what the author is saying in the article, they're playing loose with some of their statements I think to sensationalize the topic, and they're making some assumptions that simply aren't going to apply for your typical kids. Don't do stupid shit like letting a young kid join social media. The author says kids may want to search out their favorite content creators on social media and could unintentionally run into adult fan art, but they're quite likely to run into far worse stuff just using those platforms period. The only messaging device my kids are open to is a kids messenger app where their only online friends are their cousins, and even those interactions are monitored. Bottom line, the internet can be a scary place as a parent. It can be difficult to protect them from everything. Know your kids, do your due diligence, and chances are slim they'll come across unsavory material.
 
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By Jay Atkins, Op-ed Contributor | Monday, June 08, 2020

There was a moment in time about two weeks ago when we could have come together; when we could have united in common purpose and begun healing old wounds. When the video of George Floyd’s murder went public, we were a nation united in righteous anger at the stunning abuse of police power. The depraved and arbitrary killing of an American citizen by a power-drunk rogue cop acting under the color of law brought about instant and uniform condemnation. But before people of good will could seize the moment, it was stolen away. It was stolen away by a group of entitled, self-interested anarchists who see chaos as opportunity, and whose currency is mob violence.

As if that’s not bad enough, as they go about their orgy of destruction these hooligan anarchists are trying to claim the twin mantles of social justice and civil rights. It’s disgusting. Not only is it criminal and counterproductive, but it does violence to the legacy of the true titans of social justice who came before. The roving bands of hate-fueled destroyers rampaging through American cities are ripping out the very soul of their own movement. They are dismantling the legacy of their righteous brothers and sisters who, 50 years ago, put their lives on the line for a truly noble cause and changed the course of American history. Though the BLM and Antifa mobsters claim the mantle of Dr. King and the civil rights movement, the differences between them could not be starker. Everything else aside, there are three big differences between the civil rights movement of the 1960s and today’s activists: facts, moral authority and goals.

1. Facts – In 1960s America there was a common set of facts everyone agreed on. At issue was not the facts themselves but whether they were good or bad. Institutional racism back then was a concrete thing. It was enshrined in law. In the Jim Crow south segregation was real. Blacks and whites went to different schools, shopped in different places and lived in different neighborhoods. And those separate living and working conditions, although deemed “equal” under the law, were anything but, and everybody knew it. Unlike today where we see a similar result but can argue over the cause, there was no question of causation back then. Blacks and whites were separate because state laws, sanctioned by the United States Supreme Court, made them separate. The law, in a real and authoritative way declared that black people were less than white people. The argument back then wasn’t over whether systematic racism existed, it absolutely did. The question was whether that racism was morally acceptable. The answer of course was, and remains, no.

Today’s argument over racism is not nearly so clear cut. The law, both federal and state, has been fixed. Jim Crow laws were repealed or annulled by the courts, federal anti-discrimination statutes were enacted, and racist Supreme Court precedents were overturned. In a legal sense all Americans, whatever color they may be, are finally equal before the law. To the extent there are still differences in living and working conditions between races, causation is a major question. If the law says everyone is equal, what causes the disparity? That question of fact makes today’s arguments about racism a different kind than we saw in the '60s. Today’s conversation contemplates such ineffable concepts as white privilege, intersectionalism, micro-aggressions and latent racism. Those concepts are so inherently accusatory and divisive that people of good will can’t even agree on whether they are real. That inability to define the underlying problem has been seized upon by modern “activists” as manifest proof of racism and justification for destructive mob violence. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy, and it is absurd. Who can take seriously an argument that posits a person is guilty of racism by virtue of existing even if they have never engaged in racist language or practice? Under such an analysis it comes as little surprise that race relations are deteriorating even as the nation, prior to COVID-19 at least, is experiencing a period of unprecedented economic growth and prosperity across all ethnic groups.

2. Moral authority – The second, and perhaps biggest difference between the 1960s civil rights movement and today’s BLM and Antifa activists is the moral authority from which they operate. Dr. King was a devout and serious Christian. His activism found its roots not in identity politics but in scripture. Dr. King took the Bible seriously, and he saw the inherent contradiction between God’s moral code and the state-sanctioned discrimination codified in law. He believed in the idea that all men are created equal and that we are all image-bearers of almighty God. More importantly he knew that he could appeal to the shared morality of a body politick that mostly agreed with him. The America of the 1960s was still a place that adhered to a predominantly Christian social and moral ethic. That’s not to say that everyone was a practicing Christian, but the overwhelming social mores of the day were rooted in biblical Christianity.

Dr. King knew that racism was contrary to biblical teaching, and he knew that he could make that argument to a country that would listen. It is true that some churches and sects in the Jim Crow south cherry-picked and perverted the holy scripture to justify continued subjection of black people. But it is equally true that an honest reading of scripture is incompatible with race-based segregation, Dr. King knew that. He also knew that inherent to Christianity were the tools to confront and end the abhorrent practice carried out, too often, in its name. Dr. King called on Christians to live up to biblical ideals because he knew scripture was on his side. He was effective because 50 years ago most people still believed that God was the source of moral authority and when faced with the contradictions pointed out by King, they knew he was right. That’s why his movement was so overwhelmingly effective at changing not only laws, but hearts. That entire framework is absent in today’s BLM/Antifa movement.

Today, the Christian ethics of transcendent morality and creator-endowed equality have been replaced by a progressive notion of radical secular humanism. As the extreme left has made deeper and deeper inroads into education, law and entertainment, it has systematically advanced its notions of subjective morality and fundamental self-autonomy. And because they’ve been so successful, there is no longer an objective moral order to which they can appeal. Morality has been reduced to vacuous platitudes and virtue signaling on social media. Accountability to almighty God has been replaced with accountability to whatever makes you feel good. “You do you” the saying goes. And if “me doing me” manifests itself in hurling Molotov cocktails, destroying businesses and killing cops, so be it. The problem is, who’s going to be compelled by that kind of nonsense? More importantly, under that type of subjective moral framework, what warrant do BLM and Antifa have for claiming they are being wronged in the first place?

Dr. King practiced non-violence not because he wasn’t angry, but because he knew if he didn’t, he would lose his moral mandate. His recognition of, and reliance upon, God’s transcendent moral order made all the difference in the world. It’s is what sets him apart from today’s rampaging activists, and it’s what made him the greatest civil rights leader in American history.

3. Goals – The final difference between the 1960s civil rights movement and today’s is the existence of a concrete objective. With Dr. King, it was clear. The main-line civil rights activists of the '60s wanted defined changes. They wanted full equality before the law, equal protection under the law, and an end to legally prescribed segregation. With the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1968, along with a slew of Supreme Court decisions, they got it. In that sense at least it was “mission accomplished,” and the world was a better place because of it.

The aims of the modern civil rights movement aren’t nearly so distinct. As far as I can tell they seem to want an end to “racism,” but it’s not at all clear what that means. The Black Lives Matter movement itself is schizophrenic on the subject. On the one hand it claims to be against racism (i.e. making value judgments based on skin tone), on the other it routinely, and aggressively, denounces the phrase “all lives matter” (i.e. everyone is of equal value regardless of skin tone) as racist. That type of cognitive dissonance is unsustainable. It’s also disingenuous. The same problem exists with Antifa. Antifa claims to be against fascism, and then turns around and desecrates a WWII memorial that was erected for the sole purpose of memorializing men and women who died fighting fascism! It’s nonsensical.

The fact is, the modern civil rights movement has been so badly co-opted and polluted by the radical politics of the intersectional left that it’s almost unrecognizable. From the outside looking in, it doesn’t seem to be about racism at all. It looks like run-of-the-mill liberal politics, and that's too bad. Because if the goal is to improve policing practices and strengthen use-of-force laws to drum serial abusers out of the force, I’m all in. But if supporting that also means I must sign on to the entire progressive agenda (e.g. immigration, environmentalism, abortion, wealth redistribution, etc.) just to prove I’m not a racist, then I’m out. The lack of clearly defined objectives and the conflation with other so-called social justice causes is doing untold damage to an otherwise noble cause. And demonstrations devolving into riots isn’t helping either.

Dr. King understood this dynamic. That’s why he distanced himself from groups like the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam. He knew he couldn’t build a coalition for change by adopting the fringe policies and ill-defined goals of the radical left. King built a broad and unstoppable movement because he set clear goals, stayed on message and didn’t needlessly alienate potential allies. Today’s young activists should sit up and take notice.

By day Jay Atkins works as a Government Affairs attorney for a California-based technology company. By night he is a lay author and Christian apologist. He thinks and writes about proofs for faith and how they intersect, or should intersect, with public policy.
 

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MLK vs. BLM: 3 big differences

By Jay Atkins, Op-ed Contributor | Monday, June 08, 2020

There was a moment in time about two weeks ago when we could have come together; when we could have united in common purpose and begun healing old wounds. When the video of George Floyd’s murder went public, we were a nation united in righteous anger at the stunning abuse of police power. The depraved and arbitrary killing of an American citizen by a power-drunk rogue cop acting under the color of law brought about instant and uniform condemnation. But before people of good will could seize the moment, it was stolen away. It was stolen away by a group of entitled, self-interested anarchists who see chaos as opportunity, and whose currency is mob violence.

As if that’s not bad enough, as they go about their orgy of destruction these hooligan anarchists are trying to claim the twin mantles of social justice and civil rights. It’s disgusting. Not only is it criminal and counterproductive, but it does violence to the legacy of the true titans of social justice who came before. The roving bands of hate-fueled destroyers rampaging through American cities are ripping out the very soul of their own movement. They are dismantling the legacy of their righteous brothers and sisters who, 50 years ago, put their lives on the line for a truly noble cause and changed the course of American history. Though the BLM and Antifa mobsters claim the mantle of Dr. King and the civil rights movement, the differences between them could not be starker. Everything else aside, there are three big differences between the civil rights movement of the 1960s and today’s activists: facts, moral authority and goals.

1. Facts – In 1960s America there was a common set of facts everyone agreed on. At issue was not the facts themselves but whether they were good or bad. Institutional racism back then was a concrete thing. It was enshrined in law. In the Jim Crow south segregation was real. Blacks and whites went to different schools, shopped in different places and lived in different neighborhoods. And those separate living and working conditions, although deemed “equal” under the law, were anything but, and everybody knew it. Unlike today where we see a similar result but can argue over the cause, there was no question of causation back then. Blacks and whites were separate because state laws, sanctioned by the United States Supreme Court, made them separate. The law, in a real and authoritative way declared that black people were less than white people. The argument back then wasn’t over whether systematic racism existed, it absolutely did. The question was whether that racism was morally acceptable. The answer of course was, and remains, no.

Today’s argument over racism is not nearly so clear cut. The law, both federal and state, has been fixed. Jim Crow laws were repealed or annulled by the courts, federal anti-discrimination statutes were enacted, and racist Supreme Court precedents were overturned. In a legal sense all Americans, whatever color they may be, are finally equal before the law. To the extent there are still differences in living and working conditions between races, causation is a major question. If the law says everyone is equal, what causes the disparity? That question of fact makes today’s arguments about racism a different kind than we saw in the '60s. Today’s conversation contemplates such ineffable concepts as white privilege, intersectionalism, micro-aggressions and latent racism. Those concepts are so inherently accusatory and divisive that people of good will can’t even agree on whether they are real. That inability to define the underlying problem has been seized upon by modern “activists” as manifest proof of racism and justification for destructive mob violence. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy, and it is absurd. Who can take seriously an argument that posits a person is guilty of racism by virtue of existing even if they have never engaged in racist language or practice? Under such an analysis it comes as little surprise that race relations are deteriorating even as the nation, prior to COVID-19 at least, is experiencing a period of unprecedented economic growth and prosperity across all ethnic groups.

2. Moral authority – The second, and perhaps biggest difference between the 1960s civil rights movement and today’s BLM and Antifa activists is the moral authority from which they operate. Dr. King was a devout and serious Christian. His activism found its roots not in identity politics but in scripture. Dr. King took the Bible seriously, and he saw the inherent contradiction between God’s moral code and the state-sanctioned discrimination codified in law. He believed in the idea that all men are created equal and that we are all image-bearers of almighty God. More importantly he knew that he could appeal to the shared morality of a body politick that mostly agreed with him. The America of the 1960s was still a place that adhered to a predominantly Christian social and moral ethic. That’s not to say that everyone was a practicing Christian, but the overwhelming social mores of the day were rooted in biblical Christianity.

Dr. King knew that racism was contrary to biblical teaching, and he knew that he could make that argument to a country that would listen. It is true that some churches and sects in the Jim Crow south cherry-picked and perverted the holy scripture to justify continued subjection of black people. But it is equally true that an honest reading of scripture is incompatible with race-based segregation, Dr. King knew that. He also knew that inherent to Christianity were the tools to confront and end the abhorrent practice carried out, too often, in its name. Dr. King called on Christians to live up to biblical ideals because he knew scripture was on his side. He was effective because 50 years ago most people still believed that God was the source of moral authority and when faced with the contradictions pointed out by King, they knew he was right. That’s why his movement was so overwhelmingly effective at changing not only laws, but hearts. That entire framework is absent in today’s BLM/Antifa movement.

Today, the Christian ethics of transcendent morality and creator-endowed equality have been replaced by a progressive notion of radical secular humanism. As the extreme left has made deeper and deeper inroads into education, law and entertainment, it has systematically advanced its notions of subjective morality and fundamental self-autonomy. And because they’ve been so successful, there is no longer an objective moral order to which they can appeal. Morality has been reduced to vacuous platitudes and virtue signaling on social media. Accountability to almighty God has been replaced with accountability to whatever makes you feel good. “You do you” the saying goes. And if “me doing me” manifests itself in hurling Molotov cocktails, destroying businesses and killing cops, so be it. The problem is, who’s going to be compelled by that kind of nonsense? More importantly, under that type of subjective moral framework, what warrant do BLM and Antifa have for claiming they are being wronged in the first place?

Dr. King practiced non-violence not because he wasn’t angry, but because he knew if he didn’t, he would lose his moral mandate. His recognition of, and reliance upon, God’s transcendent moral order made all the difference in the world. It’s is what sets him apart from today’s rampaging activists, and it’s what made him the greatest civil rights leader in American history.

3. Goals – The final difference between the 1960s civil rights movement and today’s is the existence of a concrete objective. With Dr. King, it was clear. The main-line civil rights activists of the '60s wanted defined changes. They wanted full equality before the law, equal protection under the law, and an end to legally prescribed segregation. With the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1968, along with a slew of Supreme Court decisions, they got it. In that sense at least it was “mission accomplished,” and the world was a better place because of it.

The aims of the modern civil rights movement aren’t nearly so distinct. As far as I can tell they seem to want an end to “racism,” but it’s not at all clear what that means. The Black Lives Matter movement itself is schizophrenic on the subject. On the one hand it claims to be against racism (i.e. making value judgments based on skin tone), on the other it routinely, and aggressively, denounces the phrase “all lives matter” (i.e. everyone is of equal value regardless of skin tone) as racist. That type of cognitive dissonance is unsustainable. It’s also disingenuous. The same problem exists with Antifa. Antifa claims to be against fascism, and then turns around and desecrates a WWII memorial that was erected for the sole purpose of memorializing men and women who died fighting fascism! It’s nonsensical.

The fact is, the modern civil rights movement has been so badly co-opted and polluted by the radical politics of the intersectional left that it’s almost unrecognizable. From the outside looking in, it doesn’t seem to be about racism at all. It looks like run-of-the-mill liberal politics, and that's too bad. Because if the goal is to improve policing practices and strengthen use-of-force laws to drum serial abusers out of the force, I’m all in. But if supporting that also means I must sign on to the entire progressive agenda (e.g. immigration, environmentalism, abortion, wealth redistribution, etc.) just to prove I’m not a racist, then I’m out. The lack of clearly defined objectives and the conflation with other so-called social justice causes is doing untold damage to an otherwise noble cause. And demonstrations devolving into riots isn’t helping either.

Dr. King understood this dynamic. That’s why he distanced himself from groups like the Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam. He knew he couldn’t build a coalition for change by adopting the fringe policies and ill-defined goals of the radical left. King built a broad and unstoppable movement because he set clear goals, stayed on message and didn’t needlessly alienate potential allies. Today’s young activists should sit up and take notice.

By day Jay Atkins works as a Government Affairs attorney for a California-based technology company. By night he is a lay author and Christian apologist. He thinks and writes about proofs for faith and how they intersect, or should intersect, with public policy.

(Points below based on order of bolded comments)
1. Right off the bat the author is willing to discredit the entire movement based on bad actors that co-opted the movement to cause mayhem and destruction. I know it's an opinion piece, but that signal's to the reader a ton of petty emotion based arguments are to come.

2. Any person with a greater than 80 IQ can understand that just because everyone is deemed equal under the law does not mean that they are treated equal in society.

3. Again, lumping in destructive groups in with the movement to discredit the entire movement.

4. The author seems to be missing the point, again, that when someone says "all lives matter" it takes away from the point of "black lives matter". As a white guy I don't personally know whether it's racist or not to say it, but it's really fucking dumb when someone says it. Kinda like if I started piping up about "well my kid matters too!!!" when Sandy Hook happened.

5. LOL - the author projecting his pearl clutching at the BLM is laughable. Literally, Mitt Romney, who is NOT a progressive was seen in the protests. Unless the author assumes Mitt is a radical leftist, then his projection fails right there.
 

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(CNN)Deshaun Watson, DeAndre Hopkins and thousands others have called on Clemson University to rename some of its facilities, notably the Honors College program, that bear the name of slaveholder John C. Calhoun.

Clemson University was built on the plantation of former Vice President Calhoun. Known for defending slavery and owning about 80 slaves himself, Calhoun has become a controversial name on Clemson's campus, where it is featured throughout, notably as the name of the school's Honors College.
And many have had enough.

Last week, a Clemson student began a Change.org petition calling on the renaming of the Calhoun Honors College, which has already garnered over 12,500 signatures.
And on Monday, DeAndre Hopkins, a wide receiver for the Arizona Cardinals, condemned the his alma mater on Instagram for continuing to honor Calhoun's name -- writing that it is one of the reasons he doesn't mention Clemson before NFL games.
"I felt this oppressive figure during my time at Clemson and purposely do not mention the University's name before NFL games because of it," he wrote.
"I am joining the voices of the students and faculty who have restarted this petition to rename the Calhoun Honors College. I urge all Clemson students, football players, and alumni to join us, so the next generation of young Black leaders can be proud of the institution they graduate from."

Felt oppressed? Why stay at Clemson? Why not transfer? I get how wrong slavery was, but you just can't wipe these things away. Taking down a statue or renaming a building, etc. won't change what happened in the past. Use them as teaching tools. The land was donated by Calhoun. Move the campus off that land.
 
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I’m assuming he’s being sarcastic and trying to make a point. Surely, this isn’t true...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: “Quentin Tarantino Films Removed From Streaming Services and Studio Libraries Due To Offensive Themes, Language & Imagery.”</p>— Adam Baldwin (@AdamBaldwin) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamBaldwin/status/1270559912012050433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Felt oppressed? Why stay at Clemson? Why not transfer? I get how wrong slavery was, but you just can't wipe these things away. Taking down a statue or renaming a building, etc. won't change what happened in the past. Use them as teaching tools. The land was donated by Calhoun. Move the campus off that land.

Rewriting history is a fad these days. Check out the 1619 Project.
 

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I don't really see a problem with renaming a building dedicated to a slave owner and who donated his plantation land on which the university stands. A bit of history.

From the Clemson U. site's bio of Calhoun:
John C. Calhoun
March 18, 1782-March 31, 1850


As a senator, Calhoun continued to defend the institution of slavery. On Feb. 6, 1837, during a senate debate on abolition, Calhoun declared that slavery was not an “evil,” but rather a “positive good”:

But let me not be understood as admitting, even by implication, that the existing relations between the two races in the slaveholding States is an evil:–[CB1] far otherwise; I hold it to be a good, as it has thus far proved itself to be to both, and will continue to prove so if not disturbed by the fell spirit of abolition. I appeal to facts. Never before has the black race of Central Africa, from the dawn of history to the present day, attained a condition so civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually.

I hold that in the present state of civilization, where two races of different origin, and distinguished by color, and other physical differences, as well as intellectual, are brought together, the relation now existing in the slaveholding States between the two, is, instead of an evil, a good — a positive good.[14]

and,
"It came to us in a low, degraded, and savage condition, and in the course of a few generations it has grown up under the fostering care of our institutions.

South Carolina Confederate monuments are protected by the state's Heritage Act. That prohibits the removal of a monument related to the war between the states on public property unless granted by two-thirds vote in each house of the general assembly. In 2015, when calls were made to end the Heritage Act, take down the Confederate flag from the statehouse and remove the statues as well as rename buildings, a bill was introduced requiring any statue that was removed be replaced in 90 days. The governor in a statement said he supports the Heritage Act “as it is,” calling it a smart compromise and a strong law that preserves history while providing an avenue for people to address concerns through their elected representatives.

The debate over the Confederate battle flag on Statehouse grounds in 2015 showed that the Heritage Act works as intended, his representative said.

“The governor strongly believes the way that democratic process played out is one of the most important factors in how South Carolina healed in a time of pain. That process is required by the law, and the governor believes that any individual or group that chooses to circumvent or ignore the rule of law by removing or defacing any historical monument for any reason must be prosecuted.”

Clemson also has a hall named after Benjamin Tillman, who supported the establishment of Clemson U. One of his concerns was that freed slaves would be admitted to Clemson, was a proponent of Jim Crow laws, and denying voting rights to AAs. From Clemson site's bio of Tillman:

We did not disfranchise the negroes until 1895. Then we had a constitutional convention convened which took the matter up calmly, deliberately, and avowedly with the purpose of disfranchising as many of them as we could under the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments. We adopted the educational qualification as the only means left to us, and the negro is as contented and as prosperous and as well protected in South Carolina to-day as in any State of the Union south of the Potomac.[12]

Tillman also opposed Roosevelt’s invitation of Booker T. Washington to the White House and said,
“the action of President Roosevelt in entertaining that n------ will necessitate our killing a thousand n------s in the South before they learn their place again.”[13]

Tillman, a former South Carolina governor and a former U.S. Senator, the one-time "officer" in the paramilitary group known as the Red Shirts spoke fondly of his murderous past, often celebrating his lead role in the slaughter of several African-American men — some militia members, others National Guardsmen — at the 1876 Hamburg Massacre. He also famously bragged about assassinating an African-American state legislator.
 
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