COVID-19

[ACamp1900]

I’m down at the local bar. There’s talk of forming a posse and heading to Zuckerbergs to get his supply of toilet paper. “Why should the 1% be the only ones who can wipe their ass?!!” Shits getting real.

This is totally what I’d expect a bar you frequent to be like,...

 

[Bluto]

A few points that I don't seem to see many good answers to.

WTF are they "testing" for - is it not Coronavirus generically and not COVID-19? MERS and SARS are the cousins - if they were so bad why did we not start annual Coronavirus immunizations to pair with our flu shots? As implied with the reference of pediatric ability to fight this thing - the cousins of COVID19 are running rampant we just have not worried about it b/c the lineage is generally weaksauce with the occasional mutation in to MERS, SARS, COVID19 that is closer to the flu. It is not that easy to run accurate tests - scientists hadn't even isolated COVID19 until last Thursday.

As they do these tests, how many non-COVID19 positives are they getting to give a false impression of impending doom? Everyone wants all this testing without acknowledging the tests are flawed? If you start testing for something that is alive and well everywhere you do not necessarily have an uptick in the event.

Boomers suck - my parents and in-laws are all about closing schools and, well, the global economy but they went to church today. Everyone else needs to social distance so I can go about my life? They are the walking dead normally, now at risk population who aren't productive on any level but get to cause hysteria b/c their generation is at risk? I hate Obama but he did Swine Flu right, this is moronic and Trump is listening to the wrong people. Old people stay home, let the rest of us go about our damn business. This should be treated like any regular flu season - not much more than that.

30k to 70k die in the US to the flu annually - 10x that globally- we should always be taking many of these precautions. Old and infirm should take extra precautions every flu season. This is no different.

You completed Obama...the end times are upon us folks. Just kidding. I agree.

 

[Bluto]

This is totally what I’d expect a bar you frequent to be like,...

Lol.

 

[Greenore]

Alberta has just announced all schools, colleges and universities are closed indefinitely.

Be safe and responsible all.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

A few points that I don't seem to see many good answers to.

WTF are they "testing" for - is it not Coronavirus generically and not COVID-19? MERS and SARS are the cousins - if they were so bad why did we not start annual Coronavirus immunizations to pair with our flu shots? As implied with the reference of pediatric ability to fight this thing - the cousins of COVID19 are running rampant we just have not worried about it b/c the lineage is generally weaksauce with the occasional mutation in to MERS, SARS, COVID19 that is closer to the flu. It is not that easy to run accurate tests - scientists hadn't even isolated COVID19 until last Thursday.

As they do these tests, how many non-COVID19 positives are they getting to give a false impression of impending doom? Everyone wants all this testing without acknowledging the tests are flawed? If you start testing for something that is alive and well everywhere you do not necessarily have an uptick in the event.

Boomers suck - my parents and in-laws are all about closing schools and, well, the global economy but they went to church today. Everyone else needs to social distance so I can go about my life? They are the walking dead normally, now at risk population who aren't productive on any level but get to cause hysteria b/c their generation is at risk? I hate Obama but he did Swine Flu right, this is moronic and Trump is listening to the wrong people. Old people stay home, let the rest of us go about our damn business. This should be treated like any regular flu season - not much more than that.

30k to 70k die in the US to the flu annually - 10x that globally- we should always be taking many of these precautions. Old and infirm should take extra precautions every flu season. This is no different.

I'm pretty sure they are testing specifically for this strain considering how they have been tracing it backwards through the testing. As I understand it, they are actually running genetics tests on the virus to confirm it. That also allows them to see mutations which I think they used in Italy to show that there were several "patient zero"s in the hotspot because there were a couple different mutations that were found in other areas.

Also I'm pretty sure we never got a vaccine for SARS or MERS because they became less of a threat so we just never finished working on them. The whole point is that we do not even have a general vaccine for coronaviruses, let alone one for this specific one.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Illinois has closed all restaurants and bars

They closed them for dine-in. Restaurants can still deliver or have curb-side pickup. I'd assume they will also allow takeout as long as it doesn't result in people waiting inside. Maybe only allowing pre-orders would solve it.

 

[NDdomer2]

A stranger having your food in their car sounds brilliant.

 

[Bluto]

Welp...County I’m in will cease all non-essential services this coming Wednesday.

 

[NDdomer2]

Sounds like another big announcement coming tomorrow morning. cDC put out statement today for no social gathering of 50+ for 8 weeks.

Mandated curfews & businesses closing, etc. expected.

My buddies sister who works at NIH in DC says president will be Mandating 2 week quarantine from all not essential services.

Grocery stores are about to be real crazy

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

What does that mean?
Two week lockdown for the country?

 

[Legacy]

All the actions by federal, state, local, business and private entities are based on Assessments of Risk to public health.
From CDC Situation Summary:

Risk Assessment
Risk depends on characteristics of the virus, including how well it spreads between people; the severity of resulting illness; and the medical or other measures available to control the impact of the virus (for example, vaccines or medications that can treat the illness) and the relative success of these. In the absence of vaccine or treatment medications, nonpharmaceutical interventions become the most important response strategy. These are community interventions that can reduce the impact of disease.

The risk from COVID-19 to Americans can be broken down into risk of exposure versus risk of serious illness and death. (cont)

From the Seattle Times:
Short-staffed and undersupplied: Coronavirus crisis strains Seattle area’s capacity to deliver care

Amid the first signs that the novel coronavirus was spreading in the Seattle area, a senior officer at the University of Washington Medical Center sent an urgent note to staffers.

“We are currently exceptionally full and are experiencing some challenges with staffing,” Tom Staiger, UW Medical Center’s medical director, wrote on Feb. 29. He asked hospital staff to “expedite appropriate discharges asap,” reflecting the need for more beds.

That same day, health officials announced King County’s — and the nation’s — first death from the coronavirus. Now as cases of virus-stricken patients suffering from COVID-19 multiply, government and hospital officials are facing the real-life consequences of shortcomings they’ve documented on paper for years.

Medical supplies have run low. Administrators are searching for ways to expand hospital bed capacity. Health care workers are being asked to work extra shifts as their peers self-isolate.

And researchers this week made stark predictions for COVID-19’s impact on King and Snohomish counties, estimating 400 deaths and some 25,000 infections by April 7 without social-distancing measures.

(See graphic of "modeling of potential coronavirus cases")

“If you start doing that math in your head, based on every person who was infected infecting two other people, you can see every week you have a doubling in the number of new cases,” state health oficer Dr. Kathy Lofy said. (cont)

States and local areas differ on two elements essential to deliver healthcare in such an pandemic - nursing staff ratio to population and number of hospital isolation rooms.

When it comes to nurses per 100,000 people, Washington state ranked near the bottom — 46th among states and the District of Columbia — in 2018. It ranked 43rd nationally in the number of hospital isolation rooms — commonly referred to as “negative pressure” rooms, which draw in air to prevent an airborne disease from spreading — per 100,000 people and in neighboring states.

“It’s an area of concern,” Mays said of the state’s health care delivery capacity.

 

[loomis41973]

Closing casinos in Vegas and other locales. Restaurants and bars...eyc Either mass hysteria or they know something we don't yet.

 

[BGIF]

Closing casinos in Vegas and other locales. Restaurants and bars...eyc Either mass hysteria or they know something we don't yet.

Coronavirus ... "doesn't stay in Vegas!"

 

[calvegas04]

Closing casinos in Vegas and other locales. Restaurants and bars...eyc Either mass hysteria or they know something we don't yet.

Only the Wynn casinos are paying employees during this as far as I have heard

 

[Legacy]

EvergreenHealth doctor tests positive for coronavirus, in critical condition (Seattle Times)

“At this point in the epidemic, I’d say the emergency rooms of Washington are handling it really well,” he (Dr. Liam Yore, the immediate past president of the Washington Chapter of the American College of Emergency Physicians) said, noting hospitals have long been involved in disaster planning, especially after the SARS epidemic of the early 2000s and the Ebola outbreak a few years ago. “The concern we have is as the number of cases grows exponentially, there will come a tipping point at which time the capacity of the ERs and ICUs will become saturated.”

It’s that concern that has ER doctors, nurses and other front-line health care workers feeling “a very deep sense of apprehension about what will come,” Yore said.

The first confirmed case of COVID-19 was in Snohomish County on Jan. 21, according to the state Department of Health (DOH). As of Sunday, the DOH reported 769 confirmed cases, with the bulk of them — 420 cases — reported in King County. More than 7,000 people have been tested and received negative test results for the virus, according to DOH.

Yore said 10% to 15% of people who contract the illness require hospitalization and 5% require admission into the ICU. That’s based on published data from China’s outbreak, which is the best data available even though it’s unknown if it will extrapolate in the U.S.

King and Snohomish counties offer some 4,900 staffed hospital beds, of which about 940 are used for critical care, according to researchers at the Institute for Disease Modeling, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, who created a model of the outbreak’s potential growth.

With many hospital ICUs running at near capacity before the outbreak, Yore said hospitals are adapting and working to expand capacity but could be overwhelmed by a surge of new cases.

“If the number of cases gets up to 10,000, then we’re looking at 1,500 people requiring hospitalization and 500 requiring admission to the ICU. If it gets to 100,000, you can do the math — 10,000 would require hospitalization and 5,000 would be admitted to the ICU,” Yore said. “Somewhere in there is where the health care system is very vulnerable. It’s looking at those numbers I find most sobering.”

He urged the public to “self triage” and not show up in hospital emergency rooms for minor injuries and illnesses, suggesting instead that those people contact their doctors or go to an urgent-care clinic to preserve ER capacity for people who are seriously ill.

“If there’s anyone who is the unsung heroes of this epidemic, it’s emergency-room nurses,” Yore said. “As the physician, I only spend a short period of time with a patient. The nurses are in there, face-to-face (with patients) for hours, doing the direct patient care.”

King County has the largest population in the state and Snohomish has the third largest together accounting for 3 million people.

Dr. Brian Monahan, the attending physician of the U.S. Congress, told Senate chiefs of staff, staff directors, administrative managers and chief clerks from both parties on Tuesday and predicts 70 million-150 million U.S. coronavirus cases. At 100 million cases, using above estimates 10-15% (10-15 million) would require hospitalization and 5% (5 million) would require admission to an ICU.

 

[irishff1014]

I am 36 years old and my generation will not see the debt paid off from the corona virus.

 

[BeauBenken]

EvergreenHealth doctor tests positive for coronavirus, in critical condition (Seattle Times)



King County has the largest population in the state and Snohomish has the third largest together accounting for 3 million people.

Dr. Brian Monahan, the attending physician of the U.S. Congress, told Senate chiefs of staff, staff directors, administrative managers and chief clerks from both parties on Tuesday and predicts 70 million-150 million U.S. coronavirus cases. At 100 million cases, using above estimates 10-15% (10-15 million) would require hospitalization and 5% (5 million) would require admission to an ICU.

I would say this though. All initial patients at certain hospitals will be put in the ICU because that is where most of the negative air flow rooms are. My fiance works in the ICU. Her floor only has two such rooms.

Hospitals are having to make plans to clear floors for just COVID-19 patients because it will otherwise spread to patients that do not have it and would be seriously affected by it.

I will also say this, my fiance's hospital has yet to have someone test positive for the virus, but they are already low on proper masks (surgical masks are not enough, N-95 masks are what is needed). Their most recent expected case, they cannot get tested because there is a queue.

We are only at 3800 confirmed cases in the states and 19 in Indiana and things are already looking difficult for medical staffs.

 

[Irish#1]

Boomers suck - my parents and in-laws are all about closing schools and, well, the global economy but they went to church today. Everyone else needs to social distance so I can go about my life? They are the walking dead normally, now at risk population who aren't productive on any level but get to cause hysteria b/c their generation is at risk? I hate Obama but he did Swine Flu right, this is moronic and Trump is listening to the wrong people. Old people stay home, let the rest of us go about our damn business. This should be treated like any regular flu season - not much more than that.

Thank God we have you to save us.

BTW.......This wasn't the boomers that did this.

 

[Irish#1]

 

[zelezo vlk]

Things are about to get a lot worse before they get better, prayers for our country.

I've read that this is the most important week for social distancing. We should refrain from going out as much as possible.

 

[NDdomer2]

Thank God we have you to save us.

BTW.......This wasn't the boomers that did this.

nope - Gen X'ers.

 

[NDRock]

I am 36 years old and my generation will not see the debt paid off from the corona virus.

It's all good, we'll make Mexico pay for it.

 

[Irish#1]

NFL draft will go one, but without all of the hoopla at Vegas.

 

[Riddickulous]

New Jersey instituting a curfew. Residents must stay in their homes from 8 PM to 5 AM.

 

[RDU Irish]

Thank God we have you to save us.

BTW.......This wasn't the boomers that did this.

Snowflakes (AKA millenials) plus Boomer virus = no TP
Isolate the at risk populations (10%-20% of the population) rather than force a global recession. This is a nothingburger for 80% of the population. South Korea was able to get it under control without such draconian measures.

And I found good data that they are in fact testing for the proper virus, not generic coronavirus. Infectious disease doc I know - pretty amazing a virus that was "new" 4-5 months ago has any test done let alone hundreds of thousands at this point.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Does anybody know somebody who has the virus? Or self-quarantining because they think they've got it?

 

[greyhammer90]

I love that the grocery stores being sold out of everything has been blamed on Boomers, Gen Xers, and millennials in the last 20 or so posts with no data in support. Amazing show of tribalism.

 

[greyhammer90]

Does anybody know somebody who has the virus? Or self-quarantining because they think they've got it?

Tom Hanks is a close family friend.

 

[ACamp1900]

I love that the grocery stores being sold out of everything has been blamed on Boomers, Gen Xers, and millennials in the last 20 or so posts with no data in support. Amazing show of tribalism.

Typical Tennessean bullshit post.

 

[NDdomer2]

I love that the grocery stores being sold out of everything has been blamed on Boomers, Gen Xers, and millennials in the last 20 or so posts with no data in support. Amazing show of tribalism.

when you have been in the grocery store - who have you seen buying all the TP?