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Counterpoint: China is not a densely populated country across its geography (although the fact it didn't overwhelm Shanghai is an accomplishment) and has much lower rates of domestic travel. It also has a history of providing inaccurate information as it pertains to their health and labor practices, and they absolutely locked down the center of their outbreak using measures unimaginable and illegal in the US. Because they are an authoritarian regime, they were also able to swarm and rapidly scale up their healthcare infrastructure without having to go through the regulatory and approval processes that the US would need to follow.

Until the US bends the curve of new cases, we're at risk of overwhelming our healthcare system, and we don't have many options to increase this capacity in the short term. To me, that's the scariest potential outcome.

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https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation

China has 15 cities with populations over 10 million. The US has 2 if we're being generous because NY is listed at 8.5 most places and you have to include the whole greater Los Angeles area to get that to 10.

So sure there are lots of rural 3rd world looking area of China, but COVID hitting any on of those city centers hard would be scary.
 

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I was doing some pre-NCAA Tournament shopping today, buying the necessary ingredients for Long Island Ice Teas. Overheard a women asking for "60 proof flavored vodka". After her and the worker looked for a while, she mentioned that flavor wasn't a big deal.

I asked if she was making hand sanitizer. After she said yes, I explained how proof on alcohol works, and that in that particular store, she'd be best served getting the grain alcohol at the end of the aisle. She thanked me, and asked when I made mine, if I used anything for the skin cracking.

I had to explain that I never made it, but was rather familiar with alcohol and their strengths.

It may be the first time I've used things I learned in college in real-life.

Mix whatever alcohol with aloe vera lotion. I've seen several recipes.
 

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China has 15 cities with populations over 10 million. The US has 2 if we're being generous because NY is listed at 8.5 most places and you have to include the whole greater Los Angeles area to get that to 10.

So sure there are lots of rural 3rd world looking area of China, but COVID hitting any on of those city centers hard would be scary.

I didn't want to get involved with his take after his few first sentences.
I dated a woman from China. She was great. I wanted to take a trip and find another place to live. It got interesting when she got very serious... and she already a hard time speaking english. She scolded me and said "Too Many People". She stopped my flight from home. She changed my mind with the reality she ran from. She had a 17 year old boy too.
 
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Vegas is whoa cheap right now.

Also, waiting for this to get looked at:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">China's first bio-safety Level 4 lab has been put into operation in Wuhan, central China's Hubei. It is capable of experimenting with highly pathogenic microorganisms. The lab will conduct research in anti-virus drugs and vaccines <a href="https://t.co/jID1UnYZ1E">https://t.co/jID1UnYZ1E</a> <a href="https://t.co/WUUpGd7o9e">pic.twitter.com/WUUpGd7o9e</a></p>— People's Daily, China (@PDChina) <a href="https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/949907021851013120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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China has 15 cities with populations over 10 million. The US has 2 if we're being generous because NY is listed at 8.5 most places and you have to include the whole greater Los Angeles area to get that to 10.

So sure there are lots of rural 3rd world looking area of China, but COVID hitting any on of those city centers hard would be scary.

Sure, and that was why I mentioned being impressed with Shanghai specifically. My point about the rural part was that there is a huge portion of the country with no response, and then that the way they responded in the cities with the disease wouldn't be possible in a comparable US urban environment.

I lived (a very sheltered, Americanized) 3 years in Shanghai so I have a bit of perspective, and Chinese stats and the American experience will probably be apples to oranges (partly because the Chinese numbers are probably BS). Not saying the US is going to be worse off, just that I'd look at other countries for a comparison.

Israel and Germany are probably 2 countries more similar on this front at the moment.
 
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Why would you not have to use sick days?


Because I work in a position where if I were to be affected, it would directly impact a significant amount of people. Just at work I come into close contact with hundreds of people for prolonged periods of time. Particularly young people who hardly know the first thing about proper hygiene. It would be rather screwed up if I avoided work for the betterment of that small, fragile community and were punished for it.



And teachers are unionized.
 

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I didn't want to get involved with his take after his few first sentences.
I dated a woman from China. She was great. I wanted to take a trip and find another place to live. It got interesting when she got very serious... and she already a hard time speaking english. She scolded me and said "Too Many People". She stopped my flight from home. She changed my mind with the reality she ran from. She had a 14 year old boy too.

You dated a Chinese woman?
 

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Yes I did.

Why do ya ask?


Curious, | or -

In the 1978 movie House Calls, Walter Matthau is wooing Glenda Jackson. He "graciously" goes with her into an antique store where he spoofs the antiques. Then they do a silent gag. Looking at a clothed statue of an Asian women, he ponders deeply, then gesturing with his pinkie, mimes the eternal question, | or -. She smiles and shrugs.
 
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Michigan's 300 Spartans were not able to hold the border. The virus has entered the state.

Two confirmed cases in the Detroit area.
 

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In the 1978 movie House Calls, Walter Matthau is wooing Glenda Jackson. He "graciously" goes with her into an antique store where he spoofs the antiques. Then they do a silent gag. Looking at a clothed statue of an Asian women, he ponders deeply, then gesturing with his pinkie, mimes the eternal question, I or -. She smiles and shrugs.



Only thing I was asked by co-workers was silly. The same ole... is the same. She was very aware of my needs tho.
If It weren't for the language barrier I would have lived like the Berenstain/stein Bears.
 

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39 Down And Counting. Covid-19 Has A Manifest Destiny

39 Down And Counting. Covid-19 Has A Manifest Destiny

Michigan's 300 Spartans were not able to hold the border. The virus has entered the state.

Two confirmed cases in the Detroit area.



... and then there were 11, Alaska, DE, WV, AL, MS, AR, NM, ID, ND, MT, WY

ACCORDING TO NBCNEWS MAP

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-u-s-map-where-virus-has-been-confirmed-across-n1124546


March 10, 2020, 11:06 PM CDT
By Sara G. Miller and Jiachuan Wu
U.S. health officials are closely monitoring for coronavirus cases in the United States.

This map will be updated as more cases in the U.S. are confirmed. As of March 10, there were more than 1,000 cases confirmed in the U.S., based on NBC News reporting.

Two Florida deaths, the first known U.S. fatalities outside the West Coast, were reported Friday. In total, 30 people — 24 in Washington state, two in Florida, three in California and one in New Jersey — have died in the U.S.
 

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Colbert Mocked Trump, Cuomo, and other pols sparing none.

Colbert Mocked Trump, Cuomo, and other pols sparing none.

He nailed Trump for underplaying, Cuomo for overplaying.

Jumped on Cuomo's press conference Colbert had the National Guard and surrounding New Rochelle but letting individuals and small groups pass out from the New Rochelle cluster but not allowing any large groups. Colbert called it "a clustersuck". Yeah, with a suck.

He then broke into Cuomo's new NY theme song, "Start Spreading The Flus ... ."

NY does have a good chance of taking over #1 with 173 cases from current leader, WA, with 271 cases.

Colbert then mocked Cuomo's launch of NY State's own hand sanitizer, New York Clean, which was introduced with a game show motif, which Colbert characterized with ... "and behind curtain #_.

The sanitizer is bought from a manufacturer and bottled and packaged by prisoners for Corcraft Products, which is the "brand name" for the Division of Correctional Industries. Incarcerated people in locations around the state make products for Corcraft which are then sold to government agencies in New York including schools, fire departments and non-profits.

Corcraft's website says the prisoners make everything from license plates, to mattresses, to cleaning products -- all in the name of work experience and to prepare offenders for release.

Cuomo said NYS Clean is a superior product to others on the market. While the World Health Organization and CDC suggest a minimum 60 percent alcohol content, NYS Clean has 75 percent alcohol. " Purell -- a competitor of NYS Clean -- has 70 percent," he said.

Colbert than poked at a NY "True Value" hardware store for selling a bottle of Purell for $79 per. Colbert quipped, "That's no value."

The quoted text is from:

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ny-gov-reveals-state-hand-sanitizer-amid-price-gouging-fears/2318446/
 

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Teacher here as well...I think it'll only be a matter of time till schools start shutting down for weeks. We are already seeing it at the university level and with e-learning, I think you'll start to see it at the K-12 levels as well.

Stanley Clark School in South Bend has been closed for two days. A staff member had been in contact with someone who was showing symptoms. The person who was showing symptoms had been in contact with someone who was diagnosed with COVID-19.

I assume people dispersing for spring break and coming back will be an issue. Is your spring break the week of the 23rd?

Indiana has four reported cases. Avon is a westside suburb of Indy. They have someone who was in contact and are closing all of their schools. IU is not holding face to face classes. Purdue and IU are cancelling classes for two weeks after spring break ends.
 

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Been away for more than a year. Glad to see nothing's changed; some of you are still idiots.

Glad to see our resident genius has returned.

I remember Legionnaires disease, the swine flu (H1). I suspect the real truth lies somewhere in between global panic and "much ado about nothing". Given the media's penchant for overhyping things for ratings and the fact older people are affected more than kids, I suspect the real truth lies closer to this being a strong flu like virus than something that is going to wipe out half of the world's population.
 
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He nailed Trump for underplaying, Cuomo for overplaying.

Jumped on Cuomo's press conference Colbert had the National Guard and surrounding New Rochelle but letting individuals and small groups pass out from the New Rochelle cluster but not allowing any large groups. Colbert called it "a clustersuck". Yeah, with a suck.

He then broke into Cuomo's new NY theme song, "Start Spreading The Flus ... ."

NY does have a good chance of taking over #1 with 173 cases from current leader, WA, with 271 cases.

Colbert then mocked Cuomo's launch of NY State's own hand sanitizer, New York Clean, which was introduced with a game show motif, which Colbert characterized with ... "and behind curtain #_.



Colbert than poked at a NY "True Value" hardware store for selling a bottle of Purell for $79 per. Colbert quipped, "That's no value."

The quoted text is from:

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ny-gov-reveals-state-hand-sanitizer-amid-price-gouging-fears/2318446/

Stephen Colbert hasn't been funny for about ten years at least and that's too bad.
 

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This Is No Drill

This Is No Drill

Take this seriously. Coronavirus is about to change your life for a while

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Analysis by Zachary B. Wolf, CNN
Updated 6:39 AM ET, Wed March 11, 2020

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/politics/what-matters-coronavirus-is-about-to-change-your-life/index.html


(CNN) — If you thought coronavirus was no big deal or if you thought it was going to go away, wake up.

Your life is about to change.


Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, issued a disturbing warning during a White House briefing Tuesday: Americans everywhere need to change the way they live their lives. Right now.

"We would like the country to realize that as a nation, we can't be doing the kinds of things we were doing a few months ago. It doesn't matter if you're in a state that has no cases or one case," Fauci said, referring Americans to the new federal Coronavirus.gov website for details on precautions to take at home, at work and out in the world.

"If and when the infections will come -- and they will come, sorry to say, sad to say -- when you're dealing with an infectious disease... we want to be where the infection is going to be, as well as where it is," Fauci said.

"Everybody should say, 'All hands on deck,'" he added.

He's not alone in saying that this is the moment to contain coronavirus. We are at an inflection point, according to Thomas Bossert, a former homeland security adviser to President Donald Trump, writing in The Washington Post. It's worth reading his entire piece, but the key point is this:
"Officials must pull the trigger on aggressive interventions. Time matters. Two weeks of delay can mean the difference between success and failure. Public health experts learned this in 1918 when the Spanish flu killed 50 million to 100 million people around the globe. If we fail to take action, we will watch our health-care system be overwhelmed."

He compared the lax early actions in Italy, which is now under national lockdown, with the more strict and invasive early actions in Singapore and Hong Kong. (Read this for a taste of what the first day of containment was like in Italy.)

Bossert also said Americans have to prepare to be out of their daily rhythms for weeks:

"How long? Epidemiologists suggest eight weeks might be needed to arrest this outbreak. Administrators, students, teachers and parents need to get busy figuring out how to continue the education of our children while contributing to this community-wide public health effort."

States of emergency -- The suburb of New Rochelle, New York, is under containment, with National Guard called in to help deliver food to residents. At least 18 governors had declared states of emergency as of Tuesday evening. I wrote about what a "state of emergency" actually means. Read it.
School closures -- At the White House briefing, Fauci said a nationwide school ban isn't appropriate at this point. This is a massive country. Rather, we need to look where the outbreak is going and pre-emptively target closures there.


Government help -- Vice President Mike Pence assured Americans the President would put the full weight of the government behind fighting the outbreak. Pence said people who feel sick shouldn't feel like they have to work or risk their paychecks.

Administration officials are also pushing a payroll tax holiday to put more money in people's pockets. That's assuming they keep their jobs.
But after Trump made a rare trip to Capitol Hill on Tuesday to meet with Senate Republicans, it's clear they're a long way from striking a deal on a package. CNN's congressional team reports the state of play here:
After the hour-long meeting in the Capitol, where the conversation included proposals of payroll tax holidays for workers, targeted relief for hard-hit industries -- like airlines, cruise ships, restaurants and retail -- tax cuts to help small businesses better afford sick leave for their workers and other proposals, some GOP senators remained skeptical about quickly passing an expensive stimulus package.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said afterward that Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat, would have "ball control" on negotiations that could take place in the coming weeks and that Senate Republicans would defer to them to see if they could cut a deal.

Bottom line: This is so much bigger than partisanship, or how anyone feels about Trump or Washington.

Trump skipped Tuesday's White House briefing, but tweeted at the same time about low US unemployment and dinging Democrats over climate policy. Earlier in the day, he retweeted coronavirus safety precautions posted to Pence's account. Until recently, the President said coronavirus was under control.

Even Fox News personalities are split -- which is saying something -- on how seriously to take this threat. Tucker Carlson seemed to give a measured plea for officials to take it seriously. But Trish Regan of Fox Business dismissed the entire outbreak as an attempt by Democrats to undo Trump. Seriously. That's how ingrained conspiracy theories have become.

Rising deaths worldwide


The worldwide death toll has surpassed 4,200, still mostly in China.
But at least 168 coronavirus patients died in Italy in the past day, a sharp rise.

US cases -- There are more than 1,000 cases of the novel coronavirus in the United States, according to the state and local health agencies, governments and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
According to the CDC, there are 70 cases from repatriated citizens from Wuhan, the Diamond Princess and the Grand Princess. According to CNN Health's tally of US cases that are detected and tested in the United States through US public health systems, there are cases in 37 states and the District of Columbia. Thirty-one people have died.

That's a fraction of the population. But this is far from over.

Everyday life is changing


Ground zero in Washington state -- The most deadly coronavirus outbreak site in the US is the Life Care Center nursing home in King County. Another patient who had been there died Tuesday, bringing the total to 19 from that site alone. It's still not clear how that outbreak started.

Employees have now been tested at the site after a long delay when only patients were screened.
Just determining who has the virus has been a struggle. In California, new commercial labs manufacturing testing kits are coming online, joining facilities in 18 states.

Closed schools -- There are growing numbers of school closures in affected areas. But there's no clear consideration being given to what happens in terms of child care if large-scale school closures occur. There's also no concerted movement toward help for hourly and low-wage employees -- the people who take care of our sick, who clean our public spaces and who keep store shelves stocked and deliveries running.

Where the virus spreads -- A church in Washington, DC, a Walmart in Kentucky, a gathering of conservatives, people who encountered a lawyer in New York, a cruise ship, travelers from Asia.
Infected people work for Barclays. The New York Port Authority. There's a New York City medic whose girlfriend is a flight attendant. (Note: CDC says you aren't likely to get it simply from recirculated air in a plane.)

Happening around the US -- Here are just a few specific effects, taken at random from around the country. A one-square-mile area will have all schools and facilities closed in Westchester County, New York (a circle drawn around the synagogue attended by the lawyer who was patient zero there). Closed libraries in Rancho Mirage, California. Banned large gatherings in Santa Clara County, California. Closed schools in Elk Grove, outside Sacramento. A staff member's spouse potentially having it shuttered all schools in one Long Island district for a day.

You don't realize how many people you come into contact with until you think about it.

So much of the US economy is built on services. Will we reach a place where restaurants are closed? They've been restricted in Italy. So many American workers depend on being in the same place as other people. Already travel and hotel industries are suffering.
Silver linings -- There are deals to be had. But if you're at risk, travel may not be a good idea.
Costco is doing well! It's limiting water sales in some places. Shelves are empty because of panicked preppers.

Markets rebounded after massive drops Monday.
Politics is still happening -- The 2020 campaign is about to change because of coronavirus. Both Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders canceled rallies scheduled for Tuesday night. And CNN's upcoming debate in Arizona won't have a live audience.
 

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Vegas is whoa cheap right now.

Also, waiting for this to get looked at:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">China's first bio-safety Level 4 lab has been put into operation in Wuhan, central China's Hubei. It is capable of experimenting with highly pathogenic microorganisms. The lab will conduct research in anti-virus drugs and vaccines <a href="https://t.co/jID1UnYZ1E">https://t.co/jID1UnYZ1E</a> <a href="https://t.co/WUUpGd7o9e">pic.twitter.com/WUUpGd7o9e</a></p>— People's Daily, China (@PDChina) <a href="https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/949907021851013120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I remember reading a few weeks ago that researchers at that facility were selling testing animals to people on street corners for side cash. Great job, China!
 

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<blockquote class="reddit-card" data-card-created="1583940763"><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/fgmwfv/oc_covid19_top_25_countries_by_confirmed_cases/">[OC] COVID-19 Top 25 countries by confirmed cases</a> from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful">r/dataisbeautiful</a></blockquote>
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Just curious- has anybody's opinions on this shifted at all in the last few days as more info has come out? I know today was the first time I gave serious thought to whether at some point in the coming weeks/days we should make a trip to the grocery store to beat out a potential frenzy to load up on supplies.
 

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Just curious- has anybody's opinions on this shifted at all in the last few days as more info has come out? I know today was the first time I gave serious thought to whether at some point in the coming weeks/days we should make a trip to the grocery store to beat out a potential frenzy to load up on supplies.

If anything, I have gone the opposite way. Over the last several weeks I was worried about supplies, but now seeing what's happening in Italy I am slightly less concerned. They are in lock down, but they are still able to go to the stores if they need to, though there are restricted hours.
 

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On my general lifestyle? Not really.
But on whether I should ask friends to journey from different locations by bus or airplane? Yes.

... and I'll do better hand-washing.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> to announce it is suspending classes for the next month because of fears associated with COVID-19 (FREE) <a href="https://t.co/xKEng7NaA6">https://t.co/xKEng7NaA6</a></p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1237774533211443200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

While Commencement is still scheduled for the weekend of May 15-17, it is subject to change.

Obviously, this news will cause great complications for the Notre Dame Football program, both in terms of spring practice and recruiting.

After getting in one practice before going on break, the Irish were set to resume on March 17th and conclude with the Blue-Gold Game on April 18th. That certainly won’t go according to schedule anymore.

From a recruiting standpoint, the Irish were scheduled to host dozens of visitors over the next month, including what was supposed to be a massive event stocked with some of the top offensive linemen in the nation next weekend. That, too, seems unlikely at this point.
 
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If anything, I have gone the opposite way. Over the last several weeks I was worried about supplies, but now seeing what's happening in Italy I am slightly less concerned. They are in lock down, but they are still able to go to the stores if they need to, though there are restricted hours.
I haven’t researched it at all, but are their stores staying stocked with supplies? My logic was that if more businesses implement the “stay at home if possible” model, supply shipments will slow, and shortages would occur.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> to announce it is suspending classes for the next month because of fears associated with COVID-19 (FREE) <a href="https://t.co/xKEng7NaA6">https://t.co/xKEng7NaA6</a></p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1237774533211443200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Smh.
 

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We had a vendor coming to visit us in the office and H.R. axed that completely. Told them to postpone the visit.
 

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Just curious- has anybody's opinions on this shifted at all in the last few days as more info has come out? I know today was the first time I gave serious thought to whether at some point in the coming weeks/days we should make a trip to the grocery store to beat out a potential frenzy to load up on supplies.

Mine has stayed about the same. I'm cautious but not panicking. I stocked up on medicine a couple weeks ago, mainly for my children (I have a 9 month old and a two year old). I wanted to make sure I had some just in case they get sick, and not necessarily with COVID-19. I bought three months supply of formula for my baby girl to avoid a situation where supply diminishes and I'm stuck giving her another product that could cause a reaction and lead to an unnecessary doctor visit.

Stocked up on some dry food as well. It won't go to waste and it's probably not a bad idea for people to do in general.
 
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