Conspiracy Theories

[Irish#1]

"Frozen" was a relative nightmare in story development, so it would fit the narrative if they were throwing it together quickly for unspecified reasons lol



My wife and her dad are both hardcore believers in this one. A History Channel special brainwashed both of them.

IIRC he was put in a cryogenic lab in Arizona.

 

[Black Irish]

I've heard (relatively sane) people parrot the idea from "Fight Club" that auto makers have a formula for determining if a safety recall will cost more than potential lawsuits from people getting injured or killed in resulting car crashes. If the recall is cost prohibitive, then they let people die.

 

[IrishLion]

I've heard (relatively sane) people parrot the idea from "Fight Club" that auto makers have a formula for determining if a safety recall will cost more than potential lawsuits from people getting injured or killed in resulting car crashes. If the recall is cost prohibitive, then they let people die.

It's absolutely true and not much of a secret. The most notable big one I can think of recently, where the automotive company decided it was cheaper to put people in danger, is Ford and their Focus line from 2012-2016. They had major issues with their "new" transmission technology, but were too far into production in '11 to halt assembly lines and redesign the transmission. Then, even with a large number of reports coming in over the next two or three years, Ford determined it would STILL be cheaper to ignore customers and offer repairs for the squeaky wheels, rather than recalling the vehicles and letting every owner have the option.

Now it's a class-action lawsuit, since Ford never issued an official recall.

Chevy has a similar issue with their 2010-2013 Equinox line. They shipped engines that had well-known piston ring issues, causing the engines to burn oil at a way-too-high rate after so many miles of use.

GM determined it was cheaper to change production in '13 and ignore requests for a recall... and you guessed it, there was a class action lawsuit settled in 2019 about it.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I've heard (relatively sane) people parrot the idea from "Fight Club" that auto makers have a formula for determining if a safety recall will cost more than potential lawsuits from people getting injured or killed in resulting car crashes. If the recall is cost prohibitive, then they let people die.

My sister works for the insurance department for a harware supply store.... lets call them Rowes....her job is to handle claims caused by the products they offer on their shelves and she has to determine if the claims (multiples of them) are worth pulling items from all the stores offered. The recall formula is real. I have seen it.

 

[NorthDakota]

I've heard (relatively sane) people parrot the idea from "Fight Club" that auto makers have a formula for determining if a safety recall will cost more than potential lawsuits from people getting injured or killed in resulting car crashes. If the recall is cost prohibitive, then they let people die.

They teach you this in your first semester of law school.

 

[Black Irish]

They teach you this in your first semester of law school.

Well, I'm an English major so what do the hell do I know? Maybe they're overcorrecting now. I've owned my car for 5 years and I think I've gotten 3-4 recall notices. And when I bring it in and ask what the problem is, it always seems pretty minor.

 

[IrishLion]

 

[NDFAN420]

Three conspiracy theorists walk into a bar. You can't tell me that's just a coincidence.

 

[Bluto]

Speaking of, what are some good left wing conspiracies? I hear all the right wing stuff due to where I live. What are the lefties talking about?

Biggest lefty one by a mile is all the vaccine related stuff, particularly the conspiracies related to vaccines causing autism.

 

[sixstar]

i once believed that vaccines did not cause autism, now i challenge the claim.

logically speaking, a null hypothesis requires 100% alignment with outcomes. in other words, in order to claim that vaccines do not cause autism, you would need total 100% proof that there are no links, and that there has never been compelling evidence of links, between vaccines and autism. all it would take is one single verifiable account of a link, and you can no longer make that claim.

214 peer-reviewed papers, each one showing a potential link between autism and vaccines, all referenced here, if you are so inclined.


Enough to raise an eyebrow, no? If even one of these studies are accurate, then one can cannot confidently claim that vaccines do not cause autism.

Other studies, even those performed by CDC authors, have demonstrated causal links between some vaccines and permanent brain damage. See below. So why is it such a far stretch to believe that vaccines could induce something like autism?

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/101/3/383/61917/Acute-Encephalopathy-Followed-by-Permanent-Brain?redirectedFrom=fulltexthttps%3A%2F%2Fpublications.aap.org%2Fpediatrics%2Farticle%2F101%2F3%2F383%2F61917%2FAcute-Encephalopathy-Followed-by-Permanent-Brain

 

[Lberry]

Biggest lefty one by a mile is all the vaccine related stuff, particularly the conspiracies related to vaccines causing autism.

Bro, the left loves vaccines. It's their favorite thing to do. Go to mobile, AL and try to push vaccines on a house call. You'll get a gun pointed at you.

Go to NY and even the ladies will get a boner.

 

[Lberry]

i once believed that vaccines did not cause autism, now i challenge the claim.

logically speaking, a null hypothesis requires 100% alignment with outcomes. in other words, in order to claim that vaccines do not cause autism, you would need total 100% proof that there are no links, and that there has never been compelling evidence of links, between vaccines and autism. all it would take is one single verifiable account of a link, and you can no longer make that claim.

214 peer-reviewed papers, each one showing a potential link between autism and vaccines, all referenced here, if you are so inclined.


Enough to raise an eyebrow, no? If even one of these studies are accurate, then one can cannot confidently claim that vaccines do not cause autism.

Other studies, even those performed by CDC authors, have demonstrated causal links between some vaccines and permanent brain damage. See below. So why is it such a far stretch to believe that vaccines could induce something like autism?

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/101/3/383/61917/Acute-Encephalopathy-Followed-by-Permanent-Brain?redirectedFrom=fulltexthttps%3A%2F%2Fpublications.aap.org%2Fpediatrics%2Farticle%2F101%2F3%2F383%2F61917%2FAcute-Encephalopathy-Followed-by-Permanent-Brain

100% on autism, the correlation is so strong it can't be ignored.

The big one is childhood cancer. There's never been a single blind study on children schedule and links to cancer, because, and I quote, "it would be too unethical to not give a control group the vaccines".

Once you see autism, look at the gigantic spikes in childhood cancer.

 

[greyhammer90]

i once believed that vaccines did not cause autism, now i challenge the claim.

logically speaking, a null hypothesis requires 100% alignment with outcomes. in other words, in order to claim that vaccines do not cause autism, you would need total 100% proof that there are no links, and that there has never been compelling evidence of links, between vaccines and autism. all it would take is one single verifiable account of a link, and you can no longer make that claim.

214 peer-reviewed papers, each one showing a potential link between autism and vaccines, all referenced here, if you are so inclined.


Enough to raise an eyebrow, no? If even one of these studies are accurate, then one can cannot confidently claim that vaccines do not cause autism.

Other studies, even those performed by CDC authors, have demonstrated causal links between some vaccines and permanent brain damage. See below. So why is it such a far stretch to believe that vaccines could induce something like autism?

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/101/3/383/61917/Acute-Encephalopathy-Followed-by-Permanent-Brain?redirectedFrom=fulltexthttps%3A%2F%2Fpublications.aap.org%2Fpediatrics%2Farticle%2F101%2F3%2F383%2F61917%2FAcute-Encephalopathy-Followed-by-Permanent-Brain

I'm so surprised that you and Lberry are two of the bold thinkers peddling this nonsense.

This post is Exhibit A on why entertaining the kooks leads to trouble. This is active spreading of misinformation that is likely to scare parents and harm children. This dipshit hasn't read 214 papers. He's referencing a list of studies curated by a site called HowDoVaccinesCauseAutism.com that *according to this site* support their agenda. Do the vast majority of those studies actually support this dangerous claim? Almost certainly not. It's very likely that this group performed a word search with some key terms in medical journal databases, skimmed the one page summary of a study to see if it directly refutes their claims or distances itself from them within the summary, and then put it in if not. They know you won't actually read the study because 1) it's difficult to jump straight into medical journal papers if you are a layperson, 2) you are actually looking into the link between autism and vaccines through a website called HowDoVaccinesCauseAutism.com (meaning you're not very bright); 3) most of the actual papers are behind paywalls that you aren't going to pay.

The link between Autism and vaccines is a fiction created in the 90s by Andrew Wakefield, a physician who conducted an ethically bankrupt (they conducted invasive experiments on children without getting permission) and scientifically misleading (they claimed their findings were consecutive when they were actually selective) study that was later ALSO found to fraudulent (they picked and chose data that suited their case; they falsified facts). In an editorial the British Medical Journal editors wrote:

Clear evidence of falsification of data should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare ... Who perpetrated this fraud? There is no doubt that it was Wakefield. Is it possible that he was wrong, but not dishonest: that he was so incompetent that he was unable to fairly describe the project, or to report even one of the 12 children's cases accurately? No. A great deal of thought and effort must have gone into drafting the paper to achieve the results he wanted: the discrepancies all led in one direction; misreporting was gross. Moreover, although the scale of the GMC's 217-day hearing precluded additional charges focused directly on the fraud, the panel found him guilty of dishonesty concerning the study's admissions criteria, its funding by the Legal Aid Board, and his statements about it afterwards.

Why would he do this? Financial gain. Based on communications from Wakefield obtained through freedom of information legislation, had planned to launch a venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing". The Washington Post reported that Wakefield predicted he "could make more than $43 million a year from diagnostic kits" for the new bullshit condition that he was trying to create (Autistic enterocolitis).

And this is all ignoring that there have been huge studies on this subject that have shown no causal link. JAMA did one in 2015 analyzing over 95,000 children that confirmed that the MMR vaccine did not increase the risk of autism in children.

The fact that two posters known for their room temperature IQs are in support of this should really be all you need to know. "I don't believe in appeals to authority, so please don't reference every credible medical expert, but have you seen this study?" Fuck off with your dangerous crap.

 

[Lberry]

I'm so surprised that you and Lberry are two of the bold thinkers peddling this nonsense.

This post is Exhibit A on why entertaining the kooks leads to trouble. This is active spreading of misinformation that is likely to scare parents and harm children. This dipshit hasn't read 214 papers. He's referencing a list of studies curated by a site called HowDoVaccinesCauseAutism.com that *according to this site* support their agenda. Do the vast majority of those studies actually support this dangerous claim? Almost certainly not. It's very likely that this group performed a word search with some key terms in medical journal databases, skimmed the one page summary of a study to see if it directly refutes their claims or distances itself from them within the summary, and then put it in if not. They know you won't actually read the study because 1) it's difficult to jump straight into medical journal papers if you are a layperson, 2) you are actually looking into the link between autism and vaccines through a website called HowDoVaccinesCauseAutism.com (meaning you're not very bright); 3) most of the actual papers are behind paywalls that you aren't going to pay.

The link between Autism and vaccines is a fiction created in the 90s by Andrew Wakefield, a physician who conducted an ethically bankrupt (they conducted invasive experiments on children without getting permission) and scientifically misleading (they claimed their findings were consecutive when they were actually selective) study that was later ALSO found to fraudulent (they picked and chose data that suited their case; they falsified facts). In an editorial the British Medical Journal editors wrote:

In an accompanying editorial, BMJ editors said:



Why would he do this? Financial gain. Based on communications from Wakefield obtained through freedom of information legislation, had planned to launch a venture on the back of an MMR vaccination scare that would profit from new medical tests and "litigation driven testing". The Washington Post reported that Wakefield predicted he "could make more than $43 million a year from diagnostic kits" for the new bullshit condition that he was trying to create (Autistic enterocolitis).

And this is all ignoring that there have been huge studies on this subject that have shown no causal link. JAMA did one in 2015 analyzing over 95,000 children that confirmed that the MMR vaccine did not increase the risk of autism in children.

The fact that two posters known for their room temperature IQs are camp are in support of this should really be all you need to know. "I don't believe in appeals to authority, so please don't reference every credible medical expert, but have you seen this study?" Fuck off with your dangerous crap.

Can you speak to the rapid rise in autisim on a timeline, and provide a list of most likely causes? And tell me how many 55+ people you meet in a given day with autism? Because for kids it's several per day. So how many 55+ers?

Same ask for childhood cancer rates, which is even bigger than autism.

Lastly, explain your favorite part of gobbling up government propoganda? Is it feeling really really progressive, or your "vaccines cause adults" bumper sticker?

And I'm serious about the 55+ers, how many did you see today? This month? In 2023?

 

[ACamp1900]

The fact that two posters known for their room temperature IQs are camp,…

This,…. fuckin guy,……

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Bro, the left loves vaccines. It's their favorite thing to do. Go to mobile, AL and try to push vaccines on a house call. You'll get a gun pointed at you.

Go to NY and even the ladies will get a boner.

The level of slap dickery in this post is MLS Lionel Messi levels.

You know it's better than other slap dicky posts, but then it actually goes up against them all and you realize just how much better it truly is.

Bravo, sir. I'd give you a free pair of golden headphones if I could, but that's probably socialism or Sam Hartman virtue signaling.

 

[greyhammer90]

Last time I'll respond to you since you're basically just doing the "i'M jUsT aSkInG qUeStIoNs" thing that is designed to spread misinformation by exhausting good faith argument because the other party has to expend energy and time answering your stupid leading questions.

Can you speak to the rapid rise in autisim on a timeline, and provide a list of most likely causes? And tell me how many 55+ people you meet in a given day with autism? Because for kids it's several per day. So how many 55+ers?

Autism is a spectrum and the definition has changed even over the last decade. There's also increased awareness and funding for autism in education. It's a change in diagnosis, not the children.

I've seen 2 Autistic children this year and 1 adult I've known for years who was never diagnosed but definitely is.

Same ask for childhood cancer rates, which is even bigger than autism.

Ah, adding another disease to blame on your invisible boogeyman? The autism thing getting old?

Lastly, explain your favorite part of gobbling up government propoganda? Is it feeling really really progressive, or your "vaccines cause adults" bumper sticker?

And I'm serious about the 55+ers, how many did you see today? This month? In 2023?

You're a moron posing as an intellectual.

 

[RDU Irish]

Can you speak to the rapid rise in autisim on a timeline, and provide a list of most likely causes? And tell me how many 55+ people you meet in a given day with autism? Because for kids it's several per day. So how many 55+ers?

Same ask for childhood cancer rates, which is even bigger than autism.

Lastly, explain your favorite part of gobbling up government propoganda? Is it feeling really really progressive, or your "vaccines cause adults" bumper sticker?

And I'm serious about the 55+ers, how many did you see today? This month? In 2023?

There are plenty weird ass old folks running around that 100% would have been diagnosed with autism when they were kids, hell probably still today. Plenty more kids falsely diagnosed b/c parents would rather label their kid than smack them upside the head when they are being a weirdo or a dumbass. Autism is reinforced rather than even attempting to normalize the kids. Just this week some lame mom was saying how her asshole teenage daughter is newly labeled autistic, no - she is just an asshole b/c your discipline is non-existent and you want a medical excuse for your shitty parenting. One of the most over diagnosed conditions out there and the excess numbers claimed as "proof" are largely hogwash IMO.

Then on the other end of the spectrum - swap out autism with mentally retarded and suddenly grandpa knows what you are talking about. Example - the rabbit strangler in Of Mice and Men would be labeled autistic today, he existed well before vaccines were developed and no amount of services was going to make him a C-suite executive.

 

[Lberry]

Last time I'll respond to you since you're basically just doing the "i'M jUsT aSkInG qUeStIoNs" thing that is designed to spread misinformation by exhausting good faith argument because the other party has to expend energy and time answering your stupid leading questions.



Autism is a spectrum and the definition has changed even over the last decade. There's also increased awareness and funding for autism in education. It's a change in diagnosis, not the children.

I've seen 2 Autistic children this year and 1 adult I've known for years who was never diagnosed but definitely is.



Ah, adding another disease to blame on your invisible boogeyman? The autism thing getting old?



You're a moron posing as an intellectual.

What makes you think I have low IQ?

And I'm getting the sense you don't have children (you don't have to confirm).

I'll respond in detail tomorrow. This isn't a drive by conversation, so I'll aggregate the data and studies. Don't go anywhere.

 

[thekid33]

tell me how many 55+ people you meet in a given day with autism

We just used to classify them as "weird" kids...or worse terms.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

We just used to classify them as "weird" kids...or worse terms.

You know, I’ve thought about this a lot since the rise of autism awareness. So many kids I grew up with or family members who we just thought were “off” or like you said were referred to in other not nice terms. I really wish people knew then what we do now. I’m pretty sure most of us were touched in some way by those affected at some point in our lives. Such a difficult path for so many.

 

[Bluto]

Bro, the left loves vaccines. It's their favorite thing to do. Go to mobile, AL and try to push vaccines on a house call. You'll get a gun pointed at you.

Go to NY and even the ladies will get a boner.

Bro, do you even Robert Kennedy bro?

The conspiracy theory thread being derailed by conspiracy theories…so dumb, yet so fuckin funny.

 

[Bluto]

One of the great conspiracies of all time that has a special place in my heart due to my love of heavy metal and having lived through it is the Satanic Panic of the 70’s and 80’s.

 

[Ndaccountant]

There are plenty weird ass old folks running around that 100% would have been diagnosed with autism when they were kids, hell probably still today. Plenty more kids falsely diagnosed b/c parents would rather label their kid than smack them upside the head when they are being a weirdo or a dumbass. Autism is reinforced rather than even attempting to normalize the kids. Just this week some lame mom was saying how her asshole teenage daughter is newly labeled autistic, no - she is just an asshole b/c your discipline is non-existent and you want a medical excuse for your shitty parenting. One of the most over diagnosed conditions out there and the excess numbers claimed as "proof" are largely hogwash IMO.

Then on the other end of the spectrum - swap out autism with mentally retarded and suddenly grandpa knows what you are talking about. Example - the rabbit strangler in Of Mice and Men would be labeled autistic today, he existed well before vaccines were developed and no amount of services was going to make him a C-suite executive.

 

[TorontoGold]

One of the great conspiracies of all time that has a special place in my heart due to my love of heavy metal and having lived through it is the Satanic Panic of the 70’s and 80’s.

Old man didn't even get to experience being a teenager when COD/GTA was causing teenagers to become violent criminals SMH....

 

[PANDFAN]

Can you speak to the rapid rise in autisim on a timeline, and provide a list of most likely causes? And tell me how many 55+ people you meet in a given day with autism? Because for kids it's several per day. So how many 55+ers?

Same ask for childhood cancer rates, which is even bigger than autism.

Lastly, explain your favorite part of gobbling up government propoganda? Is it feeling really really progressive, or your "vaccines cause adults" bumper sticker?

And I'm serious about the 55+ers, how many did you see today? This month? In 2023?

Because it is now being diagnosed when it wasn't previously..... very simple

 

[Ndaccountant]

There are plenty weird ass old folks running around that 100% would have been diagnosed with autism when they were kids, hell probably still today. Plenty more kids falsely diagnosed b/c parents would rather label their kid than smack them upside the head when they are being a weirdo or a dumbass. Autism is reinforced rather than even attempting to normalize the kids. Just this week some lame mom was saying how her asshole teenage daughter is newly labeled autistic, no - she is just an asshole b/c your discipline is non-existent and you want a medical excuse for your shitty parenting. One of the most over diagnosed conditions out there and the excess numbers claimed as "proof" are largely hogwash IMO.

Then on the other end of the spectrum - swap out autism with mentally retarded and suddenly grandpa knows what you are talking about. Example - the rabbit strangler in Of Mice and Men would be labeled autistic today, he existed well before vaccines were developed and no amount of services was going to make him a C-suite executive.

If you have met one kid with autism, you have met one kid with autism. But as a father of a boy who is on the spectrum, the bulk of this post is incredibly naive.

 

[PerthDomer]

One of the great conspiracies of all time that has a special place in my heart due to my love of heavy metal and having lived through it is the Satanic Panic of the 70’s and 80’s.

Some now think it was a delayed freak out over women entering the workforce/sending kids to daycare.

 

[TorontoGold]

Did increase of smallpox and polio vaccines in the early 1900s lead to left-handedness???

 

[Old Man Mike]

This is National Cuban Sandwich Day --- some say it is a hoax, others a conspiracy.

Those of us in the know know that Teddy Roosevelt had the US ship Maine sunk in Havana Harbor to ensure US domination of the Cuban sandwich supply. (The fact that we had our Pacific fleet coincidentally sail into Manilla harbor and conquer The Philippines the same day was purely a stroke of good well-deserved luck in establishing a near-China US presence.)

All the rest of this thread PALES in comparison to these truths. ... So, GET OFF OF IT!!!!