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There's no autism epidemic. But there is an autism diagnosis epidemic

Autism rates aren't spiking because more children are developing this condition, but instead because of the deinstitutionalization movement, insurance legislation, and data collection methods.
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If you were called mentally retarded in 1960 you're autistic now. Diagnoses went up once insurance mandated therapy and again when the diagnostic criteria were broadened.

Wealthier people tend to be more plugged in than poor people and thus get the diagnosis more often (older parental age is linked as well). Wealthy people get vaccinated more. The studies that show a link tend to not control for that.
 
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TorontoGold said:
Old man didn't even get to experience being a teenager when COD/GTA was causing teenagers to become violent criminals SMH....
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Yeah, but on the flipside I did get to shotgun beers and have a nice chit chat with Baphomet after playing Venom records backward.
 
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I apologize for bumping this thread. Our “new” troll must be bored with his home life. He behaved himself for a while before suddenly hitting the “contrarian overdrive” switch.

I should’ve just put it in the “Funny Videos” thread lol
 
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What makes you think I have low IQ?
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This is active spreading of misinformation that is likely to scare parents and harm children.
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peer reviewed papers are misinformation. hot take.

This dipshit hasn't read 214 papers. He's referencing a list of studies curated by a site called HowDoVaccinesCauseAutism.com that *according to this site* support their agenda. Do the vast majority of those studies actually support this dangerous claim? Almost certainly not.
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I didn't claim to read all 214 papers.
You do realize that just because they are collated and referenced on an anti-vax site that it doesn't discount the legitimacy of the peer reviewed research, right?
Which of the peer reviewed papers are illegitimate?
How can you so confidently dismiss peer reviewed studies without even so much as looking at them?

It's very likely that this group performed a word search with some key terms in medical journal databases, skimmed the one page summary of a study to see if it directly refutes their claims or distances itself from them within the summary, and then put it in if not. They know you won't actually read the study because 1) it's difficult to jump straight into medical journal papers if you are a layperson, 2) you are actually looking into the link between autism and vaccines through a website called HowDoVaccinesCauseAutism.com (meaning you're not very bright); 3) most of the actual papers are behind paywalls that you aren't going to pay.
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So which peer reviewed papers do you disagree with and why? Let's debate on merit, not assumptions.
Or are you really so intellectually compromised that you refuse to look at the merit of the studies because an anti-vax website posted them?

The link between Autism and vaccines is a fiction created in the 90s by Andrew Wakefield, a physician who conducted an ethically bankrupt (they conducted invasive experiments on children without getting permission) and scientifically misleading (they claimed their findings were consecutive when they were actually selective) study that was later ALSO found to fraudulent (they picked and chose data that suited their case; they falsified facts).
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No, Andrew Wakefield did not create the link. He was the most outspoken of the bunch. And he was a hack. Does a hack undo otherwise valid research? No. Do any of those papers include Andrew Wakefield? No? Did I bring him up? No? Oh okay.

And this is all ignoring that there have been huge studies on this subject that have shown no causal link. JAMA did one in 2015 analyzing over 95,000 children that confirmed that the MMR vaccine did not increase the risk of autism in children.
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Do you not understand the requirements of the null hypothesis that you are advocating? In order for your statement that vaccines do not cause autism to be true, there must be zero causal evidence against said claim. otherwise, the claim is, at best, probable, but not definitive. Cases supporting a null hypothesis do not confirm the null hypothesis; a null hypothesis can only be confirmed by zero contradicting evidence. are you claiming that there is zero contradicting evidence in literature?

The fact that two posters known for their room temperature IQs are in support of this should really be all you need to know. "I don't believe in appeals to authority, so please don't reference every credible medical expert, but have you seen this study?" Fuck off with your dangerous crap.
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Room temp IQ? A bit higher, actually. I won't cred flex on you though.
 
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Disappointed but not surprised that there are anti-vaxxer dumb dumbs among us.
 
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My recent (and ongoing) conspiracy lunacy: there's a FB page for all the people who graduated from my old HS in the '70s and I'm also FB friends with more than 100 of my old classmates. A woman I graduated with and always thought of as having average intelligence and very sweet has been making a complete fool of herself the past 6 months. She's been posting all sorts of videos and articles "proving" that the moon landings were faked. And she also is convinced that ALL space travel has been faked. We've never even been to space for real... it's all been done on a movie set. She's posted this tripe to the group and several individuals' FB pages over & over, including mine.

You can imagine how well-received this has been in N. Alabama, a few miles from Marshall Space Flight Center. Dozens of our classmates had dads who were engineers and techs for NASA. A few dozen of our classmates went on to become NASA engineers, physicists, and even the director of the entire facility.

For months, several of us tried to reason with her and show her the errors in her videos and articles, but to no avail. It's all just a huge conspiracy to her. The more we've tried to reason with her, the loonier she's gotten. Last week someone from our class who's a senior project manager at NASA got so frustrated with her latest round of nutjob conspiracy nonsense that he finally called her a "gullible fucking imbecile!" LOL! You can't fix stupid.
 
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Here's your childhood vaccine schedule, by counts over time, with the associated autism prevelance:
1983 = 10 vaccines (Autism, 1 in 3,000)
2001 = 21 (Autism 1 in 250)
2013 = 31 (Autism 1 in 68)
2022 = 74 (Autism 1 in 32))

The trend is similar for Alzheirmers (a form of Dimensia). Alzheimers will likely be what brings down the US healthcare system to its knees overtime due to its high costs. It's a half trillion dollar industry as it stands.

Today, about 11% of people 65+ have alzheimers. 1 in 5 women will get it, and an estimated 1/10 men. In the 1980s, ~1.2% of the 65+ population had Alzheimers. Cancers I don't have time to even tip the iceberg on.

To actually dig into this would take hours or days, and the people posting in this thread don't want to entertain the idea that vaccines could be anything other than life savers, so I'll stop here.

Autism and Dimensia are not diagnosis that are easy to over prescribe. It's apparent when you meet an autistic kid; it's apparent when an elderly person forgets what they told you 5 minutes ago. Chalking this up as doctors being more observant may work for more sublimin conditions (ADHD, for example), but not these ones.

And correlation isn't causation, but these increases are screaming. So if it's not the introduction of cranking up the vaccine schedule, what is so new around that time that caused the giant spikes? What's are your most probably causes? I cannot prove to you that vaccines cause Autism and Dimensia (that study will never be funded), and I don't think it's only vaccines. But for someone to throw this out as a very possible contributor just shows the effectiveness of pharmaceutical programming.

Side note. You could spend the rest of your life interviewing Pediatric clinicians. You'll never find a case of SIDS without vaccines being given within a 72 hour window.
 
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Bishop2b5 said:
My recent (and ongoing) conspiracy lunacy: there's a FB page for all the people who graduated from my old HS in the '70s and I'm also FB friends with more than 100 of my old classmates. A woman I graduated with and always thought of as having average intelligence and very sweet has been making a complete fool of herself the past 6 months. She's been posting all sorts of videos and articles "proving" that the moon landings were faked. And she also is convinced that ALL space travel has been faked. We've never even been to space for real... it's all been done on a movie set. She's posted this tripe to the group and several individuals' FB pages over & over, including mine.

You can imagine how well-received this has been in N. Alabama, a few miles from Marshall Space Flight Center. Dozens of our classmates had dads who were engineers and techs for NASA. A few dozen of our classmates went on to become NASA engineers, physicists, and even the director of the entire facility.

For months, several of us tried to reason with her and show her the errors in her videos and articles, but to no avail. It's all just a huge conspiracy to her. The more we've tried to reason with her, the loonier she's gotten. Last week someone from our class who's a senior project manager at NASA got so frustrated with her latest round of nutjob conspiracy nonsense that he finally called her a "gullible fucking imbecile!" LOL! You can't fix stupid.
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Are you saying we really did land on the moon?
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
Denver International Airport being a hub for the Illuminati is close to the top of my list.

Elvis, Tupac and Princess Diana all faking their deaths are obviously right up there.
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I had a friend that got into a literal fist fight with someone else in high school over whether or not Tupac was alive.

He went down a deep rabbit hole about all of the hints and symbology in Tupac's catalog that were hinting at his impending fake death and escape from the spotlight. Another dude who listened to Tupac on the regular got fed up with it, and they started debating about why it was dumb over the course of three or four class sessions in one of our elective periods.

Things boiled over after a few days, heated debate on Tupac actually being alive and hanging out in the Maldives turned into personal insults, and then hands were thrown.

(He is alive, though)
 
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I still don't believe that whatever crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 was an airplane

Cures for certain cancers/illnesses are being kept hidden

Putin killed Prigozhin
 
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I still don't believe that whatever crashed into the Pentagon on 9/11 was an airplane

Cures for certain cancers/illnesses are being kept hidden

Putin killed Prigozhin
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It's pretty odd European news reported the 9/11 crash before it happened.
 
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AKRowdy said:
I wish I was left handed. Would’ve helped me be a MLB pitcher.
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I’d love to know the # of dads who insisted their sons learn to bat left-handed when growing up. I’ve got buddies (some of which played college baseball) who deny they did so but I doubt them when it turns out they do absolutely nothing else left-handed. Not saying it can’t happen as I’m sure there are some on this board who will claim they only batted & golfed left handed & did everything else RH.
 
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