College Basketball - FBI investigation

[NorthDakota]

This is yummy.

 

[dublinirish]

They. All. Cheat. They always have. Whether it's a conspiracy of the school, the staff, the AAU coaches, the agents, the shoe companies, the family, the financial advisers, the alumni & the fans or just one of them acting like a lone wolf, they all cheat. Too many hands out, to easy to get a quick return.

I've even heard of the recruiting analysts paying for exclusives on the hoops side.

i bet our boy Tom Loy does this often, gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette eh

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

This is yummy.

I dunno, man. This is the kind of thing that will end college sports as we know them.

I wish the kids with no interest in college just found somewhere else to go but that solution has to arise independent of the NCAA. I feel like this is going to force changes onto college sports that are going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Irish#1]

Yes, ASM Sports was raided yesterday and Andy Miller computer was taken via warrant. It is said to have A LOT of dirt on it. People believe this is just the beginning.

Probably grabbed every server, desktop, laptop and notepad in the office.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now official: Louisville has fired Rick Pitino as its basketball coach.</p>— Gary Parrish (@GaryParrishCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/status/913068235112763392">September 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[ACamp1900]

So who hires Pitino next?? lol

 

[irishog77]

They. All. Cheat. They always have. Whether it's a conspiracy of the school, the staff, the AAU coaches, the agents, the shoe companies, the family, the financial advisers, the alumni & the fans or just one of them acting like a lone wolf, they all cheat. Too many hands out, to easy to get a quick return.

I've even heard of the recruiting analysts paying for exclusives on the hoops side.

I've always figured this, and for football as well. Not bags of cash necessarily, but with dinners, tickets, gift certificates, apparel, etc.

People think these kids freely talk to reporters because they like the spotlight. I'm sure that's probably true for a lot of the kids, but if you're a 5 star player you literally have dozens of guys lobbying for your time and words. So it would make sense to take something from a reporter. It makes a lot more sense if the player is being bought by a school, shoe company, or agency anyway, then it becomes just another revenue source to sell your words to a reporter.

 

[irishog77]

So who hires Pitino next?? lol

louisville...in 3 years as an altruistic reclamation project.

 

[wizards8507]

This is the best timeline.

 

[ND NYC]

LOL...family first indeed.


Founder and President of ASM SPORTS, Andy Miller has represented the interests of athletes for the last 23 years. Andy has been involved with 26 NBA first round picks and negotiated more than $1 billion dollars in contracts and endorsements since 1995. ASM Sports is recognized as one of the most powerful and accomplished basketball agencies in the industry, while maintaining a FAMILY FIRST environment for all of ASM’s clients.

Over the last few years, Andy Miller and ASM Sports closed multi-million dollar deals with Nike, Adidas, PEAK, American Express, Panini, Leaf, Upper Deck, Best Buy, EA Sports, Midway Games, Wheaties/General Mills, Pepsi, and Vitamin Water among others. In addition, Andy Miller has unparalleled experience in navigating “young clients” through the challenges that arise for a young basketball star throughout his NBA career. ASM has also demonstrated great expertise in generating business and charitable opportunities for its players outside the game of basketball. Whether it’s helping a client start and manage his own business, creating a player’s foundation, or aligning a client with a Fortune 500 company, Andy Miller and ASM SPORTS care about the future of its players on and off the court.

Developing young talent into stars and responsible, professional young men is what makes ASM Sports both a successful basketball agency, and family unit.

 

[wizards8507]

I dunno, man. This is the kind of thing that will end college sports as we know them.

I wish the kids with no interest in college just found somewhere else to go but that solution has to arise independent of the NCAA.

I feel like it could cause both of those things. College sports should be RKGs only.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I dunno, man. This is the kind of thing that will end college sports as we know them.

I wish the kids with no interest in college just found somewhere else to go but that solution has to arise independent of the NCAA. I feel like this is going to force changes onto college sports that are going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The sad part is how this has influenced high school.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...29979381495_story.html?utm_term=.c8d32f3a6f01

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Is Pitino done forever now?

Or does NCAA have to double tap first?

 

[ab2cmiller]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Live look at Bobby Petrino after seeing Pitino and the AD were fired this morning. <a href="https://t.co/CkkPUOKqCC">pic.twitter.com/CkkPUOKqCC</a></p>— Big Cat (@BarstoolBigCat) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarstoolBigCat/status/913064968282570752">September 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLion]

Supposedly they've asked Jurich several times over the past year to fire Pitino, but he kept saying "if you want him gone, then I'm finding a new job." They wouldn't do it, because Jurich is one of the best in the business.

This gave them cause to get rid of both finally.

 

[irishog77]

I think it's kind of unknown at this point. The NCAA can't move as fast as the FBI for various reasons, and they are just learning of this for the first time, with everyone else. So, if the NCAA can't expedite the process somehow, then the players could conceivably be eligible. With that said, the schools would be taking some risks that those games would be forfeited by as the players would be deemed ineligible down the road. For example, this apparently affects two Arizona players that are going to be freshman, not including the 18' prospect they were after.

My disdain for the ncaa runs deep. Their impotency is maddening, on several levels.

I think maybe the ncaa can send out a memo to institutions warning schools that they will open their own investigation in due time regarding the FBI probe, and any school using ineligible athletes will be subject to ncaa penalty . I think that's maybe all they can do.

So, in 2 or 3 years when the ncaa is finally privy to the FBI's findings, they'll conduct their own investigation. Then, 2 or 3 years after that, they'll impose some sanctions. Basically, in 2022 or so the ncaa will drop the hammer on multiple schools. And by drop the hammer, I mean the ncaa will let everything continue on, business as usual, because a few schools fired a few coaches and self-imposed in the form of limiting recruiting time and reducing a couple schollies.

So everybody stay tuned for 5 or 6 years down the road, I know I'll be on pins and needles.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Odds this case paves the way to some sort of payment structure within college athletics? Greater than revisiting one and done?

 

[wizards8507]

I can't see how this would not be death penalty level stuff. This is SMU but worse because it's not rando boosters, it's freaking Adidas.

 

[ND NYC]

Pitino will be on ESPN in due time

 

[ab2cmiller]

In at least Pitino's case, given his contract, they are going to have to wait the 10 days and have the Board vote to fire.
Maybe some lawyers on here can come up with a way that they could fire him now.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Karman, U of L spokesman, says reports that Pitino/Jurich have been fired are inaccurate.</p>— Marcus Green (@MarcusGreenWDRB) <a href="https://twitter.com/MarcusGreenWDRB/status/913071474700951552">September 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Could be a situation where they were placed on leave, given option of resigning, etc. Board vote on Pitino, at least, may be required. <a href="https://t.co/3PzXETAIgN">https://t.co/3PzXETAIgN</a></p>— Eric Crawford (@ericcrawford) <a href="https://twitter.com/ericcrawford/status/913071980328386561">September 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLion]

I can't see how this would not be death penalty level stuff. This is SMU but worse because it's not rando boosters, it's freaking Adidas.

Not to mention, they're already on probation.

I doubt it goes that far, though. The NCAA will open their own case to try and hand down penalties, but the FBI will say "sorry, we already did the dirty work and charged these guys criminally, we've got other important shit to do now. You're on your own."

And then everyone else involved will keep their mouths shut, since there's criminal shit pending, and the NCAA will be stuck.


Or, that's all wrong, and the NCAA will allow the schools to self-sanction and justify the light penalties they give themselves by saying "the guilty parties are already in trouble with a greater authority."

 

[ND NYC]

wonder what Lavar Ball has to say on all this--he a Big Baller!! LOL

 

[ab2cmiller]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Pitino, Jurich placed on administrative leave until next board meeting <a href="https://t.co/GhmmHhlx7J">https://t.co/GhmmHhlx7J</a></p>— Chris Otts (@christopherotts) <a href="https://twitter.com/christopherotts/status/913075996001267712">September 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[ab2cmiller]

OMG ..... you got to be freaking kidding me. Bad look for Jurich.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Months before $160m deal, Tom Jurich's daughter got a job at adidas <a href="https://t.co/4ms8Vk88Ro">https://t.co/4ms8Vk88Ro</a></p>— Chris Otts (@christopherotts) <a href="https://twitter.com/christopherotts/status/913061626764505088">September 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Irish#1]

My disdain for the ncaa runs deep. Their impotency is maddening, on several levels.

I think maybe the ncaa can send out a memo to institutions warning schools that they will open their own investigation in due time regarding the FBI probe, and any school using ineligible athletes will be subject to ncaa penalty . I think that's maybe all they can do.

So, in 2 or 3 years when the ncaa is finally privy to the FBI's findings, they'll conduct their own investigation. Then, 2 or 3 years after that, they'll impose some sanctions. Basically, in 2022 or so the ncaa will drop the hammer on multiple schools. And by drop the hammer, I mean the ncaa will let everything continue on, business as usual, because a few schools fired a few coaches and self-imposed in the form of limiting recruiting time and reducing a couple schollies.

So everybody stay tuned for 5 or 6 years down the road, I know I'll be on pins and needles.

This is probably closer to the truth then you realize. lol

 

[IrishLion]

OMG ..... you got to be freaking kidding me. Bad look for Jurich.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Months before $160m deal, Tom Jurich's daughter got a job at adidas <a href="https://t.co/4ms8Vk88Ro">https://t.co/4ms8Vk88Ro</a></p>— Chris Otts (@christopherotts) <a href="https://twitter.com/christopherotts/status/913061626764505088">September 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Haha, a really good friend of mine dated her.

We always gave him grief for jumping off the money train.

 

[NorthDakota]

I feel like it could cause both of those things. College sports should be RKGs only.

CBK would KILL it in the RKG environment.

 

[irishog77]

I can't see how this would not be death penalty level stuff. This is SMU but worse because it's not rando boosters, it's freaking Adidas.

The Ponies were already on probation...but decided to continue brazenly cheating. The ncaa didn't have much else they could do them. These improprieties by louisville were part of the same culture and timeline as the other things they're currently under penalty for.

The ncaa has unofficially (and I think maybe even somewhat officially) since claimed that the death penalty was wrong. SMU has never recovered. The aim of sanctions isn't to destroy, but to change.

I think we would all like to see unc and baylor get the death penalty and feel it would be mostly justified, but the ncaa is really only as powerful as its member institutions allow it to be. So it's really only as powerful as schools like louisville, unc, and baylor allow it to be. Sadly, I see no death penalty coming for any of them.

There strong cases made, somewhat recently, for alabama and miami to get the death penalty (they were found to be cheating again while on probation), and talk of the death penalty never came up in the ncaa. Hell, in miami's case, the ncaa basically apologized to them.

 

[irishff1014]

OMG ..... you got to be freaking kidding me. Bad look for Jurich.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Months before $160m deal, Tom Jurich's daughter got a job at adidas <a href="https://t.co/4ms8Vk88Ro">https://t.co/4ms8Vk88Ro</a></p>— Chris Otts (@christopherotts) <a href="https://twitter.com/christopherotts/status/913061626764505088">September 27, 2017</a></blockquote>
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This going to be a huge scandal.

 

[irishog77]

This is probably closer to the truth then you realize. lol

I know, I wasn't being facetious when I wrote that!