Colin Cowherd

[GowerND11]

Bruce Jenner receiving the Arthur Ashe courage award is ridiculous, and I'm ashamed that ESPN selected him over more deserving recipients.

How's that?

Must be his day off.

 

[IrishLion]

Bruce Jenner receiving the Arthur Ashe courage award is ridiculous, and I'm ashamed that ESPN selected him over more deserving recipients.

How's that?

Bruce Jenner doesn't have his own ESPN Network.

 

[wizards8507]

Bruce Jenner doesn't have his own ESPN Network.

That wasn't my point and you know that. I'm not using Bruce Jenner as evidence against ESPN bias. I'm using Bruce Jenner as evidence that I'm not immune from openly criticizing ESPN just because I work here. When I say "ESPN treats Notre Dame fairly," it's because I think ESPN treats Notre Dame fairly. At least have the stones to debate me on the facts instead of dismissing my opinion as illegitimate.

 

[IrishLion]

That wasn't my point and you know that. I'm not using Bruce Jenner as evidence against ESPN bias. I'm using Bruce Jenner as evidence that I'm not immune from openly criticizing ESPN just because I work here. When I say "ESPN treats Notre Dame fairly," it's because I think ESPN treats Notre Dame fairly. At least have the stones to debate me on the facts instead of dismissing my opinion as illegitimate.

I absolutely think ESPN treats Notre Dame fairly in terms of coverage time.

What I don't think is fair is that ESPN experts create the reality of college football with their perceptions, and their perceptions are biased towards the SEC. If this weren't the case, we wouldn't hear the "SEC is a gauntlet" argument, nor would we hear "this guy could play in the SEC," nor would we hear how far ahead of everyone they are.

BUT I've already said this, but you ignored it. I already told you I'm not concerned with a financial bias; I'm concerned with ESPN protecting the SEC 'brand' because of their connection.

 

[IrishLion]

Reposted for Wizards, who thinks I won't debate facts:

I don't give a sh*t about finances. I give a sh*t about ESPN personalities deciding the tone and the general feeling around college football. They create a false reality surrounding the SEC. Every week, we hear "this guy could play in the SEC" or "they wouldn't hold up against an SEC schedule" and IT IS BULLSH*T.

Bowl season this past year finally brought it to light, thank god. Ole Miss and Mississippi State rode the "SEC Wave" straight to the top of the poles... but then we found out that they weren't very good, and neither was the rest of the SEC West... and yet, they get all of this credit for beating up on eachother because of the PERCEPTION. And who creates that perception? The jackwagons at ESPN who are in bed with the SEC.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

That wasn't my point and you know that. I'm not using Bruce Jenner as evidence against ESPN bias. I'm using Bruce Jenner as evidence that I'm not immune from openly criticizing ESPN just because I work here. When I say "ESPN treats Notre Dame fairly," it's because I think ESPN treats Notre Dame fairly. At least have the stones to debate me on the facts instead of dismissing my opinion as illegitimate.

To be fair, I do believe ND is mostly treated fairly. They are a polarizing brand and it doesn't do a network any good to be slanted in either direction. You can have talking heads slant both ways so you cover your bases but that isn't the debate here.

It's about the hype generated around the SEC. Top teams deserve hype, Bama deserves hype, Auburn usually deserves the hype, but that isn't how it's pushed on the network. They are creating a bias in favor of the SEC and I have a difficult time understanding the other side that really sees the SEC as the best conference when it takes a selective data set to see it any other way. Must be greater than 20 but less than 100. Can't be a single seasons worth of data, etc. etc.

I don't think ND is mistreated anymore than I believe the Yankees or the Lakers are mistreated. Polarizing teams polarize.

 

[wizards8507]

Figured you guys would get a kick out of this... on my way to a meeting.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 using Tapatalk.

 

[ACamp1900]

they should just drop 'espn' all together...

 

[Cali_domer]

 

[jerboski]

The SEC bias is real,,,, Texas A&M and Arkansas?

 

[ACamp1900]

A&M and Arky have no business being anywhere near the top 10 none what so ever, Ole Miss either frankly... and LSU is too high imo, but I won't get upset with a spot in the top ten... UGA? I'm okay with them where they are I suppose.

 

[Ndaccountant]

ole miss ooc schedule is embarrassing.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Are they going wildly out of their way to protect their interest in the SEC? No. I think there is maybe a little more coverage and a few more wagons circling but that IMO relates to the number of fans watching in SEC country.

I think they saw that in CFB the SEC fanbase is where they could attract the most eyes therefore attract the most ad money. Plain and simple.

Do they inflate teams? Yes. But can WE really complain about false inflation? ESPN and everyone else inflated the SEC during Bama's run.. Every station, every analyst bought the "Gauntlet" stock. And honestly, I don't think they were that far off. The SEC had a bit of a run.. Denying that is just ridiculous.

The BIG10 fell off the map, USC tumbled, Texas shat themselves and we had Charlie's mess to clear up.

The timing fell perfectly for that area to recruit all their local elite and run away with CFB for a bit.

But nothing lasts forever. CFB is cyclical and the rest of the country is catching up. Did ESPN but into the SEC in hopes that they would run things for much longer? Is there a master plan to give more facetime to sway top recruits there to effectively continue dominating and generating hype? I don't know.. That seems like a little much to me. I really think they saw $$$$$$. CFB is all a lot of these areas have..

Wouldn't you have chosen the same conference if you were them?

 

[woolybug25]

ole miss ooc schedule is embarrassing.

I don't have a problem with their out of conference schedule being cake when they play Bama, Auburn, Florida and Miss State all as away games.

At least they get LSU, Texas A&M and Arkansas at home.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Just because you didn't SEE SportsCenter cut-ins does not mean there weren't any. In case you hadn't noticed, The Open Championship was pushed into a Monday final round and mucked up the entire lineup on ESPN. Right now, live on SportsCenter, Jimbo Fisher is speaking. Has been for quite some time. Gus Malzahn coming up next.

Right. You completely ignored the fact that ESPN dedicated all day coverage to SEC media days for 4 straight days, including College Football Live, and you said to wait until the ACC media days to see what ESPN did, as that would show us what's up, and that there is no bias.

And then, College Football Live comes on yesterday and there isn't even a mention of the ACC...it's just another show dedicated entirely to the SEC.

They sure showed us. You were spot on!

(now, who's the 'fanboii' here?)

 

[Ndaccountant]

I don't have a problem with their out of conference schedule being cake when they play Bama, Auburn, Florida and Miss State all as away games.

At least they get LSU, Texas A&M and Arkansas at home.

So, you are banking on LSU, A&M, Arky and Florida to have better years and for MSU to replicate their season even with significant departures?

 

[woolybug25]

So, you are banking on LSU, A&M, Arky and Florida to have better years and for MSU to replicate their season even with significant departures?

I would answer that, but I honestly have no idea what your question is here...

 

[Ndaccountant]

I would answer that, but I honestly have no idea what your question is here...

I just don't get how their conference schedule protects them when 5 of the 7 teams you listed had 5 or more losses last year (including that inspiring bowl performances). For your statement to hold any water, you must be banking on those teams getting much better and for Mississippi State to somehow pull of another miracle year even with their significant departures.

 

[wizards8507]

The SEC bias is real,,,, Texas A&M and Arkansas?

FPI is a mathematical metric. There's no possible way it can be biased. Saying FPI is biased is like saying ESPN is pro-Tigers because Miguel Cabrera is batting .350.

 

[wizards8507]

Right. You completely ignored the fact that ESPN dedicated all day coverage to SEC media days for 4 straight days, including College Football Live, and you said to wait until the ACC media days to see what ESPN did, as that would show us what's up, and that there is no bias.

And then, College Football Live comes on yesterday and there isn't even a mention of the ACC...it's just another show dedicated entirely to the SEC.

They sure showed us. You were spot on!

(now, who's the 'fanboii' here?)

I love how full of shit you are. There's a program on RIGHT NOW called "College Football Media Days," and they're broadcasting live with Dabo Swinney.

ETA: I could go on for the rest of the day, but frankly can't be bothered.

 

[bkess8]

FPI is a mathematical metric. There's no possible way it can be biased. Saying FPI is biased is like saying ESPN is pro-Tigers because Miguel Cabrera is batting .350.

How is going from a 7 and 6 season to preseason top 10 mathematical? ESPN needs to go back to school if that's the case! Did Arkansas have the top recruiting class in the nation? What did I miss that made them so improved from last year, they did just lose two great defensive players to the draft.

 

[wizards8507]

How is going from a 7 and 6 season to preseason top 10 mathematical? ESPN needs to go back to school if that's the case! Did Arkansas have the top recruiting class in the nation? What did I miss that made them so improved from last year, they did just loose two great defensive players to the draft.

I didn't say it was a GOOD model, I just said it wasn't biased. We had an 8-5 season and FPI had us in the top 10 until Golson transferred, but I didn't see anyone bitching about it then.

 

[IrishLax]

FPI is a mathematical metric. There's no possible way it can be biased. Saying FPI is biased is like saying ESPN is pro-Tigers because Miguel Cabrera is batting .350.

Untrue, because a large factor in pre-season FPI is subjective recruiting rankings over four years, and ESPN has long been known to be VERY slanted towards kids that play in their All-Star game and are from the south.

 

[ACamp1900]

wizards, why do you hate freedom???

 

[NCND]

@IrishLax seems to have a better understanding of how FPI is calculate than I do. Maybe he can answer. All I know is that "returning starters" is a metric in the preseason rankings and Golson was tagged as our "returning starter" at the quarterback position.

"Our" ? Are u even a ND Fan?

 

[wizards8507]

"Our" ? Are u even a ND Fan?

"OUR" like "US" like "WE, the fans of the University of Notre Dame." Not "our" like "we, the employees of ESPN."

 

[greyhammer90]

"Our" ? Are u even a ND Fan?

Do u evn lft bro?

 

[NCND]

Do u evn lft bro?

Yes

 

[NDinL.A.]

I love how full of shit you are. There's a program on RIGHT NOW called "College Football Media Days," and they're broadcasting live with Dabo Swinney.

Look, I get it that reading is tough for you, but if you just would try and read A LITTLE of what I wrote, you would see that earlier that I wrote that I knew that ESPN did that show for ACC, just as they had done for the SEC. I mean, it's called "Media Days" for Pete's sake, so of course they are there.

But see, Einstein, immediately after that show, there is this tiny show that ESPN does about 9 months out the year, called COLLEGE FOOTBALL LIVE (it's been mentioned several times by now). Now, during the SEC media days, after the show "Media Days", they stayed on location in Alabama and did the CFL show, talking about the SEC the entire time. Par for the course, right? Still following?

And yesterday, I foolishly expected the same for the ACC, bc you work for them and you said it would be that way. Of course, they said NOT A WORD about the ACC. The entire show was interviews with SEC coaches. All last week CFL was about the SEC, and yesterday was the same, even though it was ACC Media Day. I've asked you to explain, but you keep bringing up other crap.

Again, it's shocking that you can't see the difference, but keep bringing up shit we already know. Sad, actually.

 

[greyhammer90]

Yes

Are you arnold schwarzenegger?