Coaches on the Hot Seat

[ulukinatme]

at some point it gets to be next to impossible to improve due to humor error

Can't believe I did that this morning Totally missed it.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Strong likely out at UT by the end of the season, per Pete Thamel.

No doubt UT will double its efforts to keep Houston out of the Big 12 so as to avoid giving Herman an incentive to stay. From what I've heard about Herman -how much he likes Texas, etc.- he would probably go to UT if given the choice between UT, USC, and LSU.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Makes sense. Where does Strong land?

 

[stlnd01]

Hard to imagine Texas, USC and LSU all open at the same time (not to mention Oregon and Auburn potentially as well). There will be blood. And when the dust settles it's a fair bet Mike Sanford will be a P5 head coach.
But honestly, I'd give Strong another year if I was Texas. Big picture he's moving that program in the right direction, and they risk a long walk in the wilderness if their next hire isn't perfect.

 

[stlnd01]

Makes sense. Where does Strong land?

DC (and head coach in waiting?) at Notre Dame. Do it.

 

[ScooterIrish]

Why do people keep saying USC will be open? Outside of UW, they could go on a run...

 

[RDU Irish]

DC (and head coach in waiting?) at Notre Dame. Do it.

Strong is a great dude - I'd be happy to have him. From a BLM perspective it would be great to see him have success and kill the abused Ty Golfingham narrative.

Love to be a fly on Swarbrick's wall and hear the conversations he is having - both who he is reaching out to and how long some of the conversations are. If he isn't gauging interest of folks like Strong and Miles I would be disappointed.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Why in the hell would Strong getting a job at ND have anything to do with BLM?

 

[NDgradstudent]

Strong is a great dude - I'd be happy to have him. From a BLM perspective it would be great to see him have success and kill the abused Ty Golfingham narrative.

Love to be a fly on Swarbrick's wall and hear the conversations he is having - both who he is reaching out to and how long some of the conversations are. If he isn't gauging interest of folks like Strong and Miles I would be disappointed.

My understanding is that TW's race played some role in the decision to hire him. If so, it should be a valuable lesson- making that a factor in hiring can only lead to problems. Let's hope the PC bros at ND don't make the same mistake again.

 

[gkIrish]

My understanding is that TW's race played some role in the decision to hire him. If so, it should be a valuable lesson- making that a factor in hiring can only lead to problems. Let's hope the PC bros at ND don't make the same mistake again.

There was intense pressure from the media to both hire TW and not to fire him.

It's so ridiculous because there are so many blue bloods that have never had a black HC.

To my knowledge, all these schools have never had a black HC but you never hear anything about it:

Alabama
USC
Ohio St.
Michigan
Clemson
Florida
Florida St.
Auburn
UCLA
Miami
Michigan St.
Arkansas
Georgia
South Carolina
Oregon
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.

**Again this is just off the top of my head. I might be wrong on a couple of those.

 

[RDU Irish]

I really don't care about that history lesson - more intrigued by Strong as a potential DC who could be a great successor to BK. The hire is completely on ability and not politics. Slapping down the Ty rhetoric would be a pleasant by-product, not the primary motivation.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Would he even want to be DC at Notre Dame after being HC at Texas? I feel like some smaller P5 school with lower standards than texas would love to have him as HC. Id be thrilled to get him as our DC if possible

 

[ACamp1900]

There was intense pressure from the media to both hire TW and not to fire him.

It's so ridiculous because there are so many blue bloods that have never had a black HC.

To my knowledge, all these schools have never had a black HC but you never hear anything about it:

Alabama
USC
Ohio St.
Michigan
Clemson
Florida
Florida St.
Auburn
UCLA
Miami
Michigan St.
Arkansas
Georgia
South Carolina
Oregon
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.

**Again this is just off the top of my head. I might be wrong on a couple of those.

UCLA had Karl Dorrel and The U had Shannon, but yeah... it's crazy, I still hear ND getting attacked as racist from time to time over that stuff... Yet for all those schools that haven't gone down that road..... crickets. Sends a pretty clear message (or at least it did for some time). I am dead certain there are/were ADs out there who saw what happened with ND and TW then later decided against hiring an African American head coach bc they wanted no part of the circus if that coach failed and they were forced to fire him...

 

[irishog77]

UCLA had Karl Dorrel and The U had Shannon, but yeah... it's crazy, I still hear ND getting attacked as racist from time to time over that stuff... Yet for all those schools that haven't gone down that road..... crickets. Sends a pretty clear message (or at least it did for some time). I am dead certain there are/were ADs out there who saw what happened with ND and TW then later decided against hiring an African American head coach bc they wanted no part of the circus if that coach failed and they were forced to fire him...

And msu had Bobby Williams and ou had John Blake.

The above wasn't a very good list.

 

[BobbyMac]

But the majority of those schools have had black basketball coaches. How does that figure in?

 

[gkIrish]

And msu had Bobby Williams and ou had John Blake.

The above wasn't a very good list.

My bad. I was just going off my memory.

Let's use USC as an example though. I am fairly confident they have not had a black HC. They have had 3-4 openings in the last few years. I never heard one thing about it.

 

[BoredIrish]

Would he even want to be DC at Notre Dame after being HC at Texas? I feel like some smaller P5 school with lower standards than texas would love to have him as HC. Id be thrilled to get him as our DC if possible

DC at ND would pay MAX $1.5 M??? I doubt ND would even pay that much.

I dont know for a fact, but I would think he could easily get over $2M as a head coach at at school like Louisville (which might come open if Bobby Petrino gets a job elsewhere).

So not only would being a DC lack prestige, but it would also mean less pay. Not going to happen. Especially with a guy like Strong who was stuck as a DC for years before he got a shot at a HC gig.

 

[Rack Em]

Why would Strong want to be a DC/HC-in-waiting after he's been the HC at Louisville and Texas?

That's like saying Tim Cook will take a SVP job at Samsung because they promised he'll be the CEO in 3 years.

Srsly guys, wtf???

 

[irishog77]

Strong is 56.

I'd say he takes 1 last shot as HC...or decides to ride it out another 10 years or so strictly as a DC.

 

[Cackalacky]

Why would Strong want to be a DC/HC-in-waiting after he's been the HC at Louisville and Texas?

That's like saying Tim Cook will take a SVP job at Samsung because they promised he'll be the CEO in 3 years.

Srsly guys, wtf???

I posted this exact same sentiment yesterday and was assured by dwshade that it would be better for Strong to take a DC position and that he most certainly would definitely 100% assuredly not take a lower tier HC position....

If CS gets let go, I cant imagine him taking a DC position at any power 5 school other than what Muschamp did taking a one year position being paid the highest amount of any Coordinator ever. Short of that Strong probably does not work for a year or takes a lower tier job opening ad HC and he is not coming to ND to be a DC IMO.

 

[Rack Em]

I posted this exact same sentiment yesterday and was assured by dwshade that it would be better for Strong to take a DC position and that he most certainly would definitely 100% assuredly not take a lower tier HC position....

If CS gets let go, I cant imagine him taking a DC position at any power 5 school other than what Muschamp did taking a one year position being paid the highest amount of any Coordinator ever. Short of that Strong probably does not work for a year or takes a lower tier job opening ad HC and he is not coming to ND to be a DC IMO.

He's not going anywhere to be a DC unless it's in the NFL.

 

[ACamp1900]

Some of that is just genetic... let's be real, there are exceptions but our African American brothers and sisters tend to just age better than our Anglo ones....

 

[BobbyMac]

BK probably aged about 5 years during USF.... and another 10 during EG's disaster season post Florida State.

BK went in Sun Devil Stadium looking California, left feeling Minnesota.

 

[NDRock]

Can you imagine Tom Herman with Alabama's commitment to football? Jesus Christ Monkey Ballz that's scary.

Honestly, if I were him, I'd go to USC and beat the hell out of the PAC 12 by picking my So Cal guys every year and then whatever national recruits were interested. How often is he going to go head-to-head with another regional power for a recruit? At Bama he'll still have to do that with other SEC teams like Georgia, Auburn, LSU, etc. Take the school that has no other regional competitors and is a household name. No brainer.

Are you serious? The guy has been a head coach for 19 games and you're making it sound like he'd be an upgrade over Nick Saben. His best win is over a #14 ranked team. The guys seems like he's going to be a very good coach but this is insane.

 

[Rack Em]

Are you serious? The guy has been a head coach for 19 games and you're making it sound like he'd be an upgrade over Nick Saben. His best win is over a #14 ranked team. The guys seems like he's going to be a very good coach but this is insane.

Easy there homie. All I'm saying is the guy has been a very good coach with average talent at Houston. He could be a great coach with more resources.

 

[ScooterIrish]

I posted this exact same sentiment yesterday and was assured by dwshade that it would be better for Strong to take a DC position and that he most certainly would definitely 100% assuredly not take a lower tier HC position....

If CS gets let go, I cant imagine him taking a DC position at any power 5 school other than what Muschamp did taking a one year position being paid the highest amount of any Coordinator ever. Short of that Strong probably does not work for a year or takes a lower tier job opening ad HC and he is not coming to ND to be a DC IMO.

Same reason Muschamp went to AU for one year? Build up his reputation and get hired at another big name? It's not crazy to think about. Unlikely? Sure. But not unbelievable..

 

[Cackalacky]

BK went in Sun Devil Stadium looking California, left feeling Minnesota.

The grass is always greener where the dogs are shitting

 

[RDU Irish]

He's not going anywhere to be a DC unless it's in the NFL.

Yeah - but you still make that call if you are Swarbrick. Convince someone like that they are the missing cog to a title run ....

 

[irishog77]

Some of that is just genetic... let's be real, there are exceptions but our African American brothers and sisters tend to just age better than our Anglo ones....

Even Bill Cosby

 

[IrishLax]

Some of that is just genetic... let's be real, there are exceptions but our African American brothers and sisters tend to just age better than our Anglo ones....

Racist.