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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Coach Thiel reviews NDs defensive stars best plays!

<a href="http://t.co/kv4H9STFMV">http://t.co/kv4H9STFMV</a>

<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NDFB?src=hash">#NDFB</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Dboyz?src=hash">#Dboyz</a> <a href="http://t.co/8NXtELLmod">pic.twitter.com/8NXtELLmod</a></p>— The Turning Point (@TheIrishTP) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheIrishTP/statuses/491594734146949120">July 22, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Another idea would be more background on Coach. A biography would be great, and appreciated by most of us. That would add to the depth of his (obviously) great articles. The human element rocks, ITP!

Thanks again for all you do!
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Coach Thiel takes a look at the top offensive play makers best plays!
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<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NDFB?src=hash">#NDFB</a> <a href="http://t.co/z0nwuqK3Jj">pic.twitter.com/z0nwuqK3Jj</a></p>— The Turning Point (@TheIrishTP) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheIrishTP/statuses/491921049463050240">July 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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You mean the one that GAIII ripped off 30 on against MSU?

Haha I knew someone would bring that up. It worked one time, maybe twice, and the staff absolutely fell in love with it. It takes way too long to develop and relies on sloppy d-line play. More often than not it went for no gain. Far too much lateral movement before the ball gets north-south.
 

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I actually like the play. If you toss it in occasionaly
 

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Haha I knew someone would bring that up. It worked one time, maybe twice, and the staff absolutely fell in love with it. It takes way too long to develop and relies on sloppy d-line play. More often than not it went for no gain. Far too much lateral movement before the ball gets north-south.

I'm not a huge fan of the play but bama didn't respect the run motion of Golson and was a bad play call at that moment. If Golson makes teams pay with his feet and linebackers start flying to him on the outside, I'd probably use it once in a while to keep them honest. I'd prefer using it against teams with inferior defensive lines so the time to develop is less of an issue. Could be a nice back breaker against a team like Northwestern. We're up two scores, Folson has been giving them the business all day, they can't contain Golson and then Bryant comes in on a counter to blow the game open. Ahhhh...
 

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I'm not a huge fan of the play but bama didn't respect the run motion of Golson and was a bad play call at that moment. If Golson makes teams pay with his feet and linebackers start flying to him on the outside, I'd probably use it once in a while to keep them honest. I'd prefer using it against teams with inferior defensive lines so the time to develop is less of an issue. Could be a nice back breaker against a team like Northwestern. We're up two scores, Folson has been giving them the business all day, they can't contain Golson and then Bryant comes in on a counter to blow the game open. Ahhhh...

It works best with over-pursuing/slow teams. Bama was neither.
 

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Haha I knew someone would bring that up. It worked one time, maybe twice, and the staff absolutely fell in love with it. It takes way too long to develop and relies on sloppy d-line play. More often than not it went for no gain. Far too much lateral movement before the ball gets north-south.

How many times did we run it in 2012? I thought only a handful and it worked every time except vs. Alabama. I absolutely loved that play and installed it in my HS offense. Our HC didn't like it but finally agreed to insert it into our game plan one week. I kept chirping in his ear to run the play throughout the game. Finally, coming out of the half we ran it for a 60+ yard TD. He hated the grin on my face and never ran it again.

But, back to ND. I really don't remember us running it that often, like 3-5 times all season.
 

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The spring draw they ran a handful of times. They probably ran it once every 3 games if that. It is a play that good teams can recognize and obviously that was going to be drilled into their heads after GA3's run vs MSU. Bama stopped it bc Smart prepares them every week on the smallest of details, and it helps that Bama has the speed to recover on over pursuits.

Last year, they might have ran it twice. It just just work when teams see Rees rolling out. There isnt a thought in a defenses head that he might try and get the edge. Golson rolling out you have to account for it being a possible run, but also a quick hitter (pass) to that side. Rees obviously struggled throwing while rolling out.
 

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Haha I knew someone would bring that up. It worked one time, maybe twice, and the staff absolutely fell in love with it. It takes way too long to develop and relies on sloppy d-line play. More often than not it went for no gain. Far too much lateral movement before the ball gets north-south.

When we FINALLY beat USC in 2010, the sprint-draw play worked to perfection 2 times, and they were HUGE plays that allowed us to win. The first one lead to a TD at the end of the first half...we were probably going to sit on the ball but BK tried the sprint-draw and Cierre busted about a 30 yard run. A minute later we scored a TD and had a 13-3 at the half.

And then the last drive of the game, down by 3, Cierre gets us about 25-30 yards again on that same play (and fumble - thank you Eifert!). Hughes took over from there and the rest is history.

So that play has worked more than you probably remember. And since it helped us beat USC, I'll always be a fan of it lol...
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>What will Coach Thiel be watching Saturday? Short yardage and Goalline Offense
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What a treat to read someone who is smart and actually closely watching the games [with past years' perspective].
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Coach Thiel | ND Defense: Relevant vs Irrelevant.
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For those too lazy to click through on the link above:

ND Defense: What’s relevant and what’s irrelevant as we enter November

The bad news is that ND’s defense was less than adequate against the Triple Option on Saturday night. The good news is that there is nothing about that performance which you can or should extrapolate against future opponents. Film study did not aid Navy against Notre Dame’s defense. ND ran several defensive alignments for the first time on Saturday night which they had not previously shown including a 4-4 and a 3-3 stack. While ND was decent against the FB dive and even proficient against the QB runs, they struggled immensely on the perimeter to get off blocks and tackle the pitch-man. They had even fewer answers against the speed sweep to the slot back. Fact is, ND will not see another triple option team this year and they will not utilize a 4-4 defense again at any point. At the same time, the 3-3-5 will go back to a platform for generating pressure in passing situations. I for one am very happy that ND will be able to return to their base 4-2-5 look this week as it gives ND the best opportunity to put 11 of their best players on the field. So as we look forward, how should we separate the relevant from the irrelevant?

Relevant: Tempo. UNC is relevant to next week because ASU will attack with a similar tempo and out of similar offensive alignments. The challenge will be simplifying and limiting the defensive calls/checks to ASU’s personnel and alignments so they can get lined up for each snap and just play. Against UNC, BVG still wanted to get his pressure packages (3-2-6) on the field on 3rd downs and seemed to game plan on the assumption he could get them on the field. That only really works when the offense subs as well. I don’t think he’ll assume that he can get all of his different sub packages in the game this time so he’ll have a better plan for the base 4-2-5 players on 3rd down situations.

Irrelevant: Triple Option and the schemes we employed against it. ND is FAR from being a 4-4 defense. Against conventional opponents, ND only employs the 3-3-5 as a means to generate pressure from unpredictable spots. ND DOES NOT use it as means to gain leverage against the veer and speed sweep to a slot back that we won’t see again.

Relevant: LBs and Safeties in coverage. ND is going to continue to be better at trying to create pressure over placing LBs/Safeties in sustained coverage situations with personnel on-hand.

Irrelevant: Winston. No one ND sees in November comes close. No one ND faces in November will toss darts with pinpoint accuracy to FSU WRs running through the dead spots between LBs and Safeties in Cover-2 because no one else ND faces has that capability.

Relevant: SAM/Nickel play. Whether ND plays mostly 4-2-5 or 4-3 going forward, if ND continues with the same personnel at those positions we will have a few rough moments. BVG’s choice for the nickel this week will be interesting. UNC certainly picked on Farley in the passing game and ND has some other interesting options for that spot if Farley struggles against ASU.
 
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