Chick-Fil-A

[In Lou I Trust]

Went there yesterday. They're my favorite fast food restaurant.

Same here. It was a tough choice between the spicy chicken sandwich and their political views on gay marriage but when it came down to it the sandwich won. It was delicious!!

 

[tadman95]

We are getting our first Chick-fil-A restaurant in about a month. Hoping this has all gone away by then. I've got better things to do than to try and figure out if I'm making a political statement or not.

 

[gkIrish]

Cane's

 

[CTIDANDREW]

I apologize if this offends anyone.

But stories like this is why I can't stand this country and the people in it sometimes.

 

[Irishnuke]

Funny, some of you don't support Chick-Fil-A because of this yet here you are on a Notre Dame message board. I assume you know the Catholic church's stance on gay marriage.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The owner of Chick-fil-a openly expresses his opinion on same sex marriage...so what, right? This is America; Freedom of Speech is one of our most sacred hallmarks.

Freedom of speech means you can't be arrested for saying it. It doesn't mean you can say something and have no backlash for saying it. That would be like if Romney or Obama came out and said, "Hitler had a lot of good points" and then said their freedom of speech makes it so you still have to vote for them.

 

[irishrecruiting]

Funny, some of you don't support Chick-Fil-A because of this yet here you are on a Notre Dame message board. I assume you know the Catholic church's stance on gay marriage.

Supporting a football program doesn't mean one has to support everything the University stands for. Same with the Chic-Fil-A thing. If you enjoy it, eat it. It doesn't mean you're defending everything the company's president says.

That said, people can boycott whatever they want. If people think what the CFA pres said, than they can boycott it. If people don't care what he said, than they don't have to worry about it.

When President Obama spoke at ND, I remember a lot of people weren't happy. Weren't people up in arms about that?

It's about whether or not you let it affect you. I agree with Mayor Menino, have never been to Chic-Fil-A (because I've never had the desire to try it), and don't really care who marries who.

I went in circles there, but hopefully you get the point. Did I end up making a point?....

 

[Bluto]

The problem is not that they hold the beliefs, it's that they fund, with company money, anti-LGBT organizations. Being against something and lobbying against something are very different. If it was the guy's personal money it would be a different story.

Pretty much sums it up for me.

 

[ND NYC]

Oh goodness. I love the blatant hypocrisy on both sides of this throughout the fiasco. Conservative groups decided to boycott Oreo when they did the gay cookie, libs go crazy. Liberal groups decide to boycott Chick-fil-A and conservatives go crazy. Everyone seems to want their rights but allow them to no one else. This is absolutely disgusting from everyone involved, the left and the right. We keep talking about nonsense like this which only serves to widen the divide, while our country is 15 trillion in debt, our civil liberties erode, and our foreign, monetary and economic policies remain largely unchanged from administration to administration. Why don't the meat and potatoes of policy get covered on the news?

I'm off to work to you'll have to wait patiently for a response.

this.

 

[Junkhead]

I don't care if gay people get married. Why can't they be
miserable like the rest of us?

 

[Irishnuke]

Supporting a football program doesn't mean one has to support everything the University stands for. Same with the Chic-Fil-A thing. If you enjoy it, eat it. It doesn't mean you're defending everything the company's president says.

That said, people can boycott whatever they want. If people think what the CFA pres said, than they can boycott it. If people don't care what he said, than they don't have to worry about it.

When President Obama spoke at ND, I remember a lot of people weren't happy. Weren't people up in arms about that?

It's about whether or not you let it affect you. I agree with Mayor Menino, have never been to Chic-Fil-A (because I've never had the desire to try it), and don't really care who marries who.

I went in circles there, but hopefully you get the point. Did I end up making a point?....

Eh, kinda. My point was that people are boycotting Chick-Fil-A because of their stance on gay marriage. Those people that are boycotting are boycotting all of Chick-Fil-A, not just the delicious spicy chicken sandwich or the peach milkshakes. Wouldn't it be hypocritical of them to protest Chick-Fil-A yet root for the Notre Dame football team? The football team is part of the Catholic university. The players on the team, just like the employees of CFA, might not agree with their company or university's stance, but the bottom line is they're still working or playing for an institution that believes in the biblical definition of marriage. Just seems strange to me why people boycott CFA and not everything else Christian based.

 

[Irish4Life09]

I've had many heated debates already about this topic, and I will share my 2 cents.

Our country was founded on the belief of the rights and freedoms of men. Whether that be the freedom of speech or freedom of religion, etc. Chik Fil A's owners did not hold a press conference to express their beliefs. They were asked point-blank during a conference on this topic,as they have in the past, and gave their honest answer.
They never once said they discriminated against hiring or serving gays in any fashion. They simply stated their opinion that as a Christian-based company they believed,as most Christians do, in the traditional form of marriage.Period.Nothing more.
We then have Obama and his puppets, including Rahm Emanuel, trying to go against our rights as American citizens by telling us they won't allow a private business in an area because of their personal beliefs? That hits right at the core of what our country stands for, and I personally won't stand for it.
I personally stood in line at a Chik Fil A here in Cincinnati for more than an hour the other night to not only support a company that I have always loved, but to also stand up for our rights as Americans.Some people scoff at that because they feel it is stupid and I shouldn't be concerned about it.
In the words of Benjamin Franklin "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm just saying.... Statistically speaking.... someone in here... is lying.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I am Catholic, and don't stand on any side of the traditional view of marriage. For me, this comes down to an issue of social equality and social justice. These gay and lesbian men and women pay taxes, support our public schools, serve in the military and therefore protect our freedom, and contribute to our governance. Therefore, they should be allowed the same civil liberties and protections as any other individual within our society. This should include the right to have a civil union, to have their assets granted to a partner in the event of death, to have the right to see their partner in a hospital if they are sick, to adopt children that are in loveless or broken homes, to be able to insure their partners, etc. If they do their share to allow our government to continue to operate, then they should be afforded the full rights that any other citizen is afforded. That's just my take.

Bingo... Spot on.

 

[BobD]

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Couldn't have said it better myself...

(crickets...)
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[BGIF]

Supporting a football program doesn't mean one has to support everything the University stands for. Same with the Chic-Fil-A thing. If you enjoy it, eat it. It doesn't mean you're defending everything the company's president says.

That said, people can boycott whatever they want. If people think what the CFA pres said, than they can boycott it. If people don't care what he said, than they don't have to worry about it.

When President Obama spoke at ND, I remember a lot of people weren't happy. Weren't people up in arms about that?

It's about whether or not you let it affect you. I agree with Mayor Menino, have never been to Chic-Fil-A (because I've never had the desire to try it), and don't really care who marries who.

I went in circles there, but hopefully you get the point. Did I end up making a point?....

You agree with Mayor Menino that a City can discriminate against free enterprise?

Boston mayor vows to keep Chick-fil-A out of city - Business - Boston.com

Interesting Chick-fil-A doesn't discriminate but Mayor Menino has vowed to block Chick-fil-A from locating in Boston thus discriminating against Chick-fil-A bringing jobs, tax revenue, and a healthy product to Boston. And you agree with him?

 

[BGIF]

I apologize if this offends anyone.

But stories like this is why I can't stand this country and the people in it sometimes.

Andrew, not trying to derail the thread but I'm really curious what country you can stand?

 

[irishroo]

Freedom of speech means you can't be arrested for saying it. It doesn't mean you can say something and have no backlash for saying it. That would be like if Romney or Obama came out and said, "Hitler had a lot of good points" and then said their freedom of speech makes it so you still have to vote for them.

It's actually not even remotely similar to that. The First Amendment regulates only state actors, ie people acting on behalf of the government, not private citizens. Therefore, private citizens rallying against a person or company for that person or company's beliefs is totally fine, whereas Rahm Emannuel and Tom Menino, both acting on behalf of the government, saying that CFA can't open new stores in Chicago and Boston in blatantly unconstitutional.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

And this just summed up my social political stance.

 

[Black Irish]

People need to realize that there is a spectrum of opinion on this matter, which posters here are demonstrating. It's like those questionnaires where you agree or disagree on a scale of 1 to 5. People are screaming "HATE" and "BIGOTS" at Chik-Fil-A when the owners are not exhibiting any of that behavior. He didn't say he wouldn't serve gay clients or has plans to fire all of his gay employees. He just stated his opinion on an issue. People need to calm down with the rhetoric. What the company head said and the reaction to it are completely out of whack.

My view is similar to others in that I don't support gay marriage, but I'm not planning on marching in the street to prevent it from happening. And if a gay couple wants to make legal arrangements to sort out inheritance, insurance, and so on, then that's fine with me. I can and have befriended gay couples in the past, able to be tolerant without being 100% comfortable with the situation. However, that nuanced approach would simply get swept aside and labeled as "HATE" by the all-in gay rights crowd that operates under the "you're either with us or against us" philosophy.

 

[Z-Bo]

What's wrong with someone coming out and saying they support the traditional biblical definition of marriage between a man and a woman. Its not like he said he was anti-gay. Personally I think they should have every single right, just call it a civil union. I don't see the big deal. You can say your married but why not compromise with the people who are entirely against it.

I saw a meme the other day that was true. if you boycott this, then boycott using anything from China or OPEC because those countries kill their homosexual citizens.

Edit: sorry I was wrong about China, they actually made homosexuality legal in 2001...

There's nothing wrong with it. But it would be nice if instead he espoused what Jesus did for us by being the perfect sacrifice. We are no longer bound by the law, but by faith.

 

[ACamp1900]

The thing that always gets me is that we throw marriage in a box with freedom of speech, freedoms to drink alcohol and smoke what you please and such as if any old person has a right to marriage under any old circumstances... it does not belong in that box... I believe strongly ( and this is my whole point on this issue) civil rights/liberties and religious rites of passage are not the same, but some insist on simplifying the issue as if they are… I suppose the problem arose the minute the gov. saw fit to step in... and here we are.

I am all for providing tax benefits for committed couples under certain provisions (even though the whole reason for providing such benefits is so procreation and the family are promoted in society, which then benefits society, but whatever),... have at it… though I am against the very idea of the government having ANYTHING to do with the word marriage… ever… if that means you have to take everyone’s tax benefits away then so be it, so long as the gov. gives up their stranglehold what should have always remained a religious rite from the get go imo…

I have worked with a local Gay Rights group in the past about the blood donation issue and straight up discrimination. I simply do not support any changing/editing/evolving of religious rites outside the church… for any demographic. I understand it has in fact evolved, and that many have different definitions of marriage now... Respectfully I still hold to the rite of pasage and feel it should be looked at in the same light as baptisim. This is where those in the public eye who stand against Gay Marriage **** me off... you can't simply say "I believe marraige is between..." and leave it at that,... it DOES come off as bigoted... but whatever

To me the frustrating thing here is very few people even consider the rite aspect on this issue anymore.

To each their own… I am not stupid and obviously see the writing on the wall… My stance will almost certainly not win out here and the text books will almost certainly tell a story alike to gays being forced to sit in the back of buses and having to eat in gay only restaurants… but so it is… to address the first point... any CEO should be able to speak pro or against any social issue they please... sometimes freedom of speech has a price tag, they (CEOs) are no different.

 

[Bluto]

You agree with Mayor Menino that a City can discriminate against free enterprise?

Boston mayor vows to keep Chick-fil-A out of city - Business - Boston.com

Interesting Chick-fil-A doesn't discriminate but Mayor Menino has vowed to block Chick-fil-A from locating in Boston thus discriminating against Chick-fil-A bringing jobs, tax revenue, and a healthy product to Boston. And you agree with him?

Just for the record, municipalities discriminate against free enterprise all the time. For example the town I grew up in passed an ordinance "banning" strip clubs after one bar put in a stripper pole. It was a sad day for me.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I am all for providing tax benefits for committed couples under certain provisions (even though the whole reason for providing such benefits is so procreation and the family are promoted in society, which then benefits society, but whatever),... have at it… though I am against the very idea of the government having ANYTHING to do with the word marriage… ever… if that means you have to take everyone’s tax benefits away then so be it, so long as the gov. gives up their stranglehold what should have always remained a religious rite from the get go imo…

^This

 

[Buster Bluth]

And this just summed up my social political stance.

I can agree with all of that except the abortion. It's not a victimless action, ever.

 

[JD Irish]

The federal government is over 15,000,000,000,000 dollars in debt, and its ridiculous budget and spending are only increasing it. And yet gay marriage continues to be a political issue that gains more national attention. This country has serious problems.

 

[Buster Bluth]

The federal government is over 15,000,000,000,000 dollars in debt, and its ridiculous budget and spending are only increasing it. And yet gay marriage continues to be a political issue that gains more national attention. This country has serious problems.

Seriously!

The same goes for the issue of abortion in every Republican primary. It's asinine.

 

[IrishBlood81]

My opinion on the whole thing is I fully agree with what was said by Chick-Fil-A.
Its about time someone stood up for what they believe and stuck to the truth.

I just want someone to answer this question. Maybe you all can help.

Say you're a christian...and you believe that since you've been saved, and you try to live a Godly life, and you believe you're going to Heaven...then let's say a gay couple moves in next door, you know their gay, it's no secret, how does this effect YOUR chance at getting into Heaven? Does it?

As for someone being gay and moves in next to you... is completely irrelevant to your chances of getting into heaven. I mean, if you had to un-gayify every gay to get to heaven... that would be just ridiculous.
I think thats taking things to the extreme.

You can't compare murderers, thieves, and adulterers to homosexuality. Those "sins" hurt other people, homosexuality does not. I am not talking about people who are sick like Jerry Sandusky, I'm talking about your average Joe and Jane who just happen to be gay. That's the problem. Being gay gets compared to and treated as something like murder, and that's not right. If you want to marry your girlfriend no one would compare your marriage to murder. They might compare it to death though...hahaha

I guess it depends on how you look at it.
To God, it is the same as murder, it is no different, it is sin. Murder and the anger behind murder are the same as well.
(Matt.5:22 21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder, a and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brotherb will be subject to judgment.")

In society, of course, they are not harming anyone else (except themselves if thats your view), so it is different than taking an innocent person's life.
The fact is, this isn't about our opinion on things. If you believe in God and you believe in the Bible, homosexuality is an abomination before God. In the Old Testament such people would be killed:

Leviticus 18:22
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

And in the New Testament:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Revelations 21:8
“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Romans 1:21-27
"21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."


I guess I'm surprised by people who claim to be Christians and yet completely disregard what the Word of God says.

Don't get me wrong, I work daily with gay people and am even friends with many. I do not hate them or would ever wrong them in anyway because of their choice, but I know what they have done and I know what God says about such a choice and, in the end, we have nothing to do with each other.

I imagine I will catch some heat from this but honestly, its about time someone posted what the Bible says.

In the scheme of the original post, the Government, unless it is imposing their religious beliefs on the nation, should have no right in opposing those who chose to do what they will with their life. If that includes same sex marriage, and that is what they want, then you are only opposing free will to stop such an event. Its not like you are going to stop them from being gay by not letting them get married and if even you would, it would be just as wrong.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

My opinion on the whole thing is I fully agree with what was said by Chick-Fil-A.
Its about time someone stood up for what they believe and stuck to the truth.





As for someone being gay and moves in next to you... is completely irrelevant to your chances of getting into heaven. I mean, if you had to un-gayify every gay to get to heaven... that would be just ridiculous.
I think thats taking things to the extreme.




Well, the fact is, this isn't about our opinion on things. If you believe in God and you believe in the Bible, homosexuality is an abomination before God. In the Old Testament such people would be killed:

Leviticus 18:22
"You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13
"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them."

And in the New Testament:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

Revelations 21:8
“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Romans 1:21-27
"21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."


I guess I'm surprised by people who claim to be Christians and yet completely disregard what the Word of God says.

Don't get me wrong, I work daily with gay people and am even friends with many. I do not hate them or would ever wrong them in anyway because of their choice, but I know what they have done and I know what God says about such a choice and, in the end, we have nothing to do with each other.

Leviticus is the one with the no shellfish and mixing cotton verses, right? And how slavery was supported throughout the whole Bible? This isn't a theocracy either.