Brian "The Rogue" Kelly Poll

Brian "The Rogue" Kelly Poll

  • All for it! These changes are necessary! Keep rocking it Kelly!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Don't necessarily agree with them, but if we win, I'm cool with it.

    Votes: 6 8.1%
  • Completely hate the changes, we don't need them to win.

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • No opinion either way

    Votes: 1 1.4%
  • a:4:{i:1219;a:5:{s:12:"polloptionid";i:1219;s:6:"nodeid";s:7:"2882093";s:5:"title";s:64:"All for it!

    Votes: 66 89.2%

  • Total voters
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IrishSteelhead

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After only one full season of Kelly and Co., we have already witnessed the inception of a training table, a seismic shift in recruiting practices (get 'em pitbull) and will soon see a home night game and alternate unis. What's you take on all this?


*Think "Maverick" is the term I was looking for, not "Rogue."
 
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ryno 24

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Im not in favor of all the changes but it is a good start and I think he still gets the tradition.. he is turning the program around
 
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*Think "Maverick" is the term I was looking for, not "Rogue."

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Amen.
 
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johnnykillz

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It'll be wiped out by 1800hrs EDT. That being said, it was worth it.

I have a Palin fetish of sorts...
 

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Kelly's redefining the program. New ideas are an added bonus.
 
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RyCo1983

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NVM I read it....
hmmmmmm
interesting

Palin is a joke
 

IrishSteelhead

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Think it's pretty safe to assume from the poll results thus far everyone is on board with the change Kelly is bringing.
 

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Don't like messing with the jersey's and unis...that is something that isn't necessary at all.

Love the recruiting aggressiveness and the pratice changes and I'm all for the night games.

Overall, very happy. And winning cures everything. Even I could bend on the uni changes if they're holding up a crystal football in a couple years....
 

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Don't like messing with the jersey's and unis...that is something that isn't necessary at all.

Love the recruiting aggressiveness and the pratice changes and I'm all for the night games.

Overall, very happy. And winning cures everything. Even I could bend on the uni changes if they're holding up a crystal football in a couple years....

However, young kids (read: RECRUITS) love that stuff. So for that reason alone, I think it's long past due.
 

RyCo1983

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Yeah...some slight modernization to the uniform won't hurt.
it won't get extreme don't worry about that!
Except for that OREGON beater mentioned...
 

irishpat183

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However, young kids (read: RECRUITS) love that stuff. So for that reason alone, I think it's long past due.

Tell that to Penn State, UM, USC, Alabama....etc. It doesn't have as much to do with it as you'd llike to think.

It's about selling the program, not some bright, neon green jerseys. You'll get the knuckle heads, but enjoy the sanctions that come with them.

So (READ) that.

FYI- Oregon has never won jack, by the way.
 

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Love the changes and it gives me great hope for whats to come.

I think we can expect Turf to be next in his 'upgrades'. Its very exciting and the more I hear the more I can't wait for the Season to begin! :)
Now....we just gotta get Floyd in here...you know, the recruits are listening to what happens to him.
 
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Originally Posted by IrishSteelhead
*Think "Maverick" is the term I was looking for, not "Rogue."


It'll be wiped out by 1800hrs EDT. That being said, it was worth it.

I have a Palin fetish of sorts...
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Just as long as someone doesn't start talking about lipstick and pigs and **** like that.

Seriously, at a coaches clinic, Kelly once advised that attendees know which one of their assistant were technically adept, to avoid putting a technical tard incharge of operating AV equipment, just to further maintain continuity. When asked he stated he knew everyone in his program well enough to answer such questions, and he built his plans around such details . . .

To quote BTO: "You ain't seen nothin' yet!"
 

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Tell that to Penn State, UM, USC, Alabama....etc. It doesn't have as much to do with it as you'd llike to think.

I'm not in favor of changing the uniforms, just wearing something different once a year or so if the kids like it. If you limit it, it stays special. If the kids like it, why not? Maybe you can start a new tradition while holding onto the old ones, for the most part.

Plus, Alabama and USC have higher payrolls than the entire AL Central, and Penn State and UM haven't won anything in a while, either. We don't need to be modeling ourselves after any of them any more than we need to model ourselves off of Oregon. We are our own thing. We shouldn't worry about what other schools are doing, just what is best for us. I think a little modernization is OK. I don't want to be gimmicky, but I don't think we need to be rigid, either.
 
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What between conversations about uniforms and bewbs on this thread?

Thought I was going to cheap out and make a lewd conversation about bewbs and balance?
 

ThePiombino

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I'm not in favor of changing the uniforms, just wearing something different once a year or so if the kids like it. If you limit it, it stays special. If the kids like it, why not? Maybe you can start a new tradition while holding onto the old ones, for the most part.

Plus, Alabama and USC have higher payrolls than the entire AL Central, and Penn State and UM haven't won anything in a while, either. We don't need to be modeling ourselves after any of them any more than we need to model ourselves off of Oregon. We are our own thing. We shouldn't worry about what other schools are doing, just what is best for us. I think a little modernization is OK. I don't want to be gimmicky, but I don't think we need to be rigid, either.

Well said, Rhode Irish!!! Thank you for saving me a tirade aimed in that post's general direction!

Couldn't agree more- it has NOTHING to do with those other schools. Just because they, too, are steeped in tradition does not mean that we need to do as they do. Fact of the matter is that these things (alt unis), while it can be argued to be material and irrelevant, DO make a difference to some of these kids. I also think it's pathetic that a certain poster feels that any kid who likes alternate unis is automatically a knuckle head.

As for Oregon, don't act all high and mighty. While they haven't won a NC, they HAVE won the Pac-10 championship recently and earned a spot in the BCS NC game. Until we manage to get close, I really don't think you should be hating on their results. Hell, I'll take a win against Navy at this point.

I'm just tired of people using tradition as a reason to not do this and not do that. There is absolutely NO reason why we can't enjoy both tradition AND progress.
 

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I think this is the current internal Battle with ND fans. The older fans that sit around our season tickets hate any changes.... don't stand or yell during games... and think it is a Social Hour before hitting up Denny's. I do my best to respect their wishes and sit from time to time... but really? ND needs to tastefully move into the 21st Century because the kids we need to win big games, know nothing of the 4 horsemen, Knute Rockne etc... we need a newer image coupled with our great tradition. I know there is a way to get both.
 

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I think this is the current internal Battle with ND fans. The older fans that sit around our season tickets hate any changes.... don't stand or yell during games... and think it is a Social Hour before hitting up Denny's. I do my best to respect their wishes and sit from time to time... but really? ND needs to tastefully move into the 21st Century because the kids we need to win big games, know nothing of the 4 horsemen, Knute Rockne etc... we need a newer image coupled with our great tradition. I know there is a way to get both.

Perfectly stated, and I agree 100%. Tradition is what makes a place special, but when people would rather spend all day looking into the past instead of the future, the results will speak for themselves, and they won't be pretty.

The ND brand-image needs a minor facelift IMO. This isn't our grandfather's ND, and although he stated it very inappropriately, Paul Hornung had a great point a few years ago. Athletes from urban areas outside of the Midwest see Notre Dame as a stuffy program with more crazy rules than Blockbuster Video, and have shunned going there. It simply isn't "cool" to be Irish anymore, and that notion is quickly changing with the new attitude being cultivated by the coaches.

I'm glad to see a coach who finally "gets it," and realizes he will be fired if he loses, so is willing to take risks (i.e. uniform changes that may PO the bluebloods) if they can somehow help the program get more exposure and recruits.


*No idea how a "thumbs down" got at the top, definitely didn't mean to have that there
 

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Well said, Rhode Irish!!! Thank you for saving me a tirade aimed in that post's general direction!

Couldn't agree more- it has NOTHING to do with those other schools. Just because they, too, are steeped in tradition does not mean that we need to do as they do. Fact of the matter is that these things (alt unis), while it can be argued to be material and irrelevant, DO make a difference to some of these kids. I also think it's pathetic that a certain poster feels that any kid who likes alternate unis is automatically a knuckle head.

As for Oregon, don't act all high and mighty. While they haven't won a NC, they HAVE won the Pac-10 championship recently and earned a spot in the BCS NC game. Until we manage to get close, I really don't think you should be hating on their results. Hell, I'll take a win against Navy at this point.

I'm just tired of people using tradition as a reason to not do this and not do that. There is absolutely NO reason why we can't enjoy both tradition AND progress.

Think it's "pathetic" all you want. Who's facing violations right now??? And I highly doubt it makes such a difference that kids won't come to ND simply because we don't have 2, 3, or 4 different uniforms. Are you kidding?? Say that out loud and tell me that doesn't sound absurd. And my point in bringing up the other schools was simply to show you that there are teams that don't use alt unis that do just fine.

Look, I'll all for showcasing the greens once in a while when it's a big game. And that's what alt unis should be limited too. It's just clownish when you got a team running around in a different uni every week. Keep the greens for big games and that's good enough. It stops being special and unique when you do it too much.

I can agree with you that ORE has been better than us lately. I think it has more to do with the coaching and Phil Knight and his money train (facilities), than some flashy unis. Kids go to ORE because of the facilities, rumored to be the best in the country.

I happen to like the fact that ND comes outta the tunnel in classy navy and gold unis. It's as much a part of ND as touchdown jesus. You wanna repaint that to make it more "modern" to attract recruits? (I know that's an extreme example, but you get my point).
 

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I think this is the current internal Battle with ND fans. The older fans that sit around our season tickets hate any changes.... don't stand or yell during games... and think it is a Social Hour before hitting up Denny's. I do my best to respect their wishes and sit from time to time... but really? ND needs to tastefully move into the 21st Century because the kids we need to win big games, know nothing of the 4 horsemen, Knute Rockne etc... we need a newer image coupled with our great tradition. I know there is a way to get both.

I'm 29 years old, not an "older fan" by any means...at least I don't think so. I'm all for some minor changes, but I disagree totally with changing uniforms. Keep the 3 that we have now. Just my opinion.

I think Kelly's biggest change is already happened. It's the attitude that he's brought. We have everything else. And this recruiting class proves that. We just needed a guy that will get after it and bring some tenacity.
 

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Pat, like I said, nobody is advocating becoming Oregon. And nobody thinks that adding a tricked-out uniform to the wardrobe is going to result in Notre Dame vaulting back to the very top of college football. But I do think that modernizing the Notre Dame brand can and will pay dividends with the types of athletes Notre Dame needs to be involved with in order to compete for championships. I think it is important that we don't lose touch with who we are, and that we protect what is truly important about the traditions so we don't lose our identity as we modernize. But in the end, if we wear uniforms that get kids attention and get them talking about us once a year, who is that hurting? Many of Notre Dame's traditions were the result of being innovative and cutting-edge at the time and not being married to antiquated ideas, so in a way it goes against tradition to simply refuse any and all changes.

The most important Notre Dame tradition is winning national championships and Heisman trophies. If wearing a slightly modernized uni helps uphold that tradition, even in the smallest of ways, I'm all for it. But this really isn't about just uniforms, its about a broader effort to modernize Notre Dame's brand to appeal to the next generation of Heisman winners and future NFL stars. The key is to do that tastefully and protect the most sacred and important traditions and ideals that are associated with Notre Dame football.
 

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Tis hilarious only for the simple reason that ND has changed it's uniform (not usually drastically) many times throughout its history. Change is inevitable. Have an alternate or two that ties the modern with the old.. maybe has a little flash... who cares?

I'm pretty sure most fans wouldn't mind our players wearing bikinis if we were going 13-0 every season.
 

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I'm pretty sure most fans wouldn't mind our players wearing bikinis if we were going 13-0 every season.

I'd definitely go "old school" and take to following the games on the radio were that the case. I think we'd also lose quite a few recruits of the "Bigs" ilk.

Real linemen don't wear bikini's.
 
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