Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[irishff1014]

If it's a leverage/contract play, Kelly's timing is not the best.
But of course, if it's a leverage/timing play to get ND to break out the check book for an elite DC, I'd say well played, sir.

He didn't do himself any favors hiring BVG.

 

[connor_in]

You didn't hear it from me but...

I just heard from a speed dial booster that Team Kelly has reached out to LSU.

Also was told that Gary Patterson told ND he'd take the job in Dec. '09 but couldn't do what CBK ended up doing when he was also undefeated and #3 going into the Fiesta Bowl vs. Boise and had a shot to win the NC if Florida beat Bama.

That's crazy sh!t.

Trying to translate this. Do you mean he is looking at taking the LSU job or he is looking to try to get their defenseive Cordinator to come to Notre Dame?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Wait, Kelly reached out to LSU about interest in the job? He's going to absolutely kill it there if he ends up going.

I'm going to remind all of the Kelly haters how good he was while here. Wait until he has a Fournette at his disposal and industry standard academic hurdles.

And I wouldn't be surprised to see HH go with him.

If he's trying to get a defensive coordinator to South Bend, then I'm excited but that's not how this reads.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Brian Kelly Revisited

This makes me sad if Kelly is trying to leave.

I'm a battered women. I can't deal with what I lived through at the end of the Holtz era, Davie era, Willingham era and Weis era. There is no guarantee the next coach will have better success or more success than Kelly. I can't live through the dark ages again!


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[ScooterIrish]

Why the heck would LSU hire Kelly? Kelly can reach out all he wants but LSU has their sights on a coach that is, you know, good.

 

[Irish#1]

The Irish Illustrated podcast just last week responded with a pretty emphatic "no" when someone asked if the S&C staff was an issue. They basically said that if the players do what they are told to do, they see huge results. I detected an implication that some of the players aren't following the S&C staff's recommended diet and exercise routines, and that the II guys thought that was an example where the players were at fault.

They also said that Longo would never ever be fired while BK was at Notre Dame. First, because they thought he did excellent work. Second, because they said Longo is BK's best friend. Not good friend. Not "has a history with him" a la VanGorder. Not best friend in a professional setting. Best friends. They were pretty clear that there wasn't a chance in hell that Longo and BK would ever separate.

If true, I'm not sure why BK doesn't make these mandatory or levy some type of punishment for not adhering. Maybe he does? Cacky has a valid question.

BK to LSU?! hmmmm

 

[Irish Insanity]

Trying to translate this. Do you mean he is looking at taking the LSU job or he is looking to try to get their defenseive Cordinator to come to Notre Dame?

The 1st part

Why the heck would LSU hire Kelly? Kelly can reach out all he wants but LSU has their sights on a coach that is, you know, good.

That likely won't leave Texas.

Look, I'm a 'revisit BK' guy. I have been for awhile. It's not that he's not bad coach. It's just sometimes a change of scenery is better for both parties involved.

 

[dang227]

I think Kelly will stay and hire Chuck Martin as his DC who is currently 0-5 at Miami of Ohio. We all know Kelly loves to hire from his coaching tree.

 

[irishff1014]

Why the heck would LSU hire Kelly? Kelly can reach out all he wants but LSU has their sights on a coach that is, you know, good.

Kelly's offense with a good defensive coordinator and no recruiting issues like ND. Umm yeah that's what LSU wants.

 

[stlnd01]

I don't want Kelly to leave because I think he's a good coach and, like Sticky said, Lord knows who we'd wind up with.
But the biggest problem would be perception that you just can't win here. Elite program coaches almost never make lateral moves. Which this, at best, would be. (I'd argue ND is a better job, given the national profile, but I can see the case the LSU is equal). And this wouldn't be about the money. This would be a successful coach, highly respected by his peers, walking away from the top-quality program he's built here for a school with far fewer self-imposed handcuffs. Think of the message that sends to all the other elite coaches we'd like to hire. Not good.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Kelly's offense with a good defensive coordinator and no recruiting issues like ND. Umm yeah that's what LSU wants.

Kelly + Ed O?

 

[irishff1014]

Kelly + Ed O?

Kelly plus Dave Aranda

 

[zelezo vlk]

Kelly plus Dave Aranda

Right. I forgot that Aranda was still at LSU, since we all keep talking about him leaving.

Didn't this kinda thing happen back in 2014 with the Florida job? BK has a disappointing season and news floats around that he may be interested in the Florida job?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I don't want Kelly to leave because I think he's a good coach and, like Sticky said, Lord knows who we'd wind up with.
But the biggest problem would be perception that you just can't win here. Elite program coaches almost never make lateral moves. Which this, at best, would be. (I'd argue ND is a better job, given the national profile, but I can see the case the LSU is equal). And this wouldn't be about the money. This would be a successful coach, highly respected by his peers, walking away from the top-quality program he's built here for a school with far fewer self-imposed handcuffs. Think of the message that sends to all the other elite coaches we'd like to hire. Not good.

I don't think it's much of a secret to coaches that ND is one of the hardest jobs in the country, and that BK has done things at ND that no one's done in decades. Coaches know about the tough schedule, the weather, the recruiting hurdles, etc.

I'd like to see Kelly stay and get a new DC, but I wouldn't blame him one bit if after 7 years he was tired of fighting an uphill battle at ND and wanted to see what he could accomplish at a place like LSU with more talent at his disposal.

 

[gkIrish]

In before a BK apologist drops a "How can you blame him?"

I don't think it's much of a secret to coaches that ND is one of the hardest jobs in the country, and that BK has done things at ND that no one's done in decades. Coaches know about the tough schedule, the weather, the recruiting hurdles, etc.

I'd like to see Kelly stay and get a new DC, but I wouldn't blame him one bit if after 7 years he was tired of fighting an uphill battle at ND and wanted to see what he could accomplish at a place like LSU with more talent at his disposal.

 

[ScooterIrish]

Kelly's offense with a good defensive coordinator and no recruiting issues like ND. Umm yeah that's what LSU wants.

Kelly's offense is a joke against top teams. Can't run and it requires his QB to be perfect. No LSU does not want Kelly. No top tier program would hire Kelly again.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Kelly's offense is a joke against top teams. Can't run and it requires his QB to be perfect. No LSU does not want Kelly. No top tier program would hire Kelly again.

i don't think L5U is interested in BK, but disagree with the notion that a top tier program would not hire him. Blue blood program... maybe not... top tier program? I think yes.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't think it's much of a secret to coaches that ND is one of the hardest jobs in the country, and that BK has done things at ND that no one's done in decades. Coaches know about the tough schedule, the weather, the recruiting hurdles, etc.

I'd like to see Kelly stay and get a new DC, but I wouldn't blame him one bit if after 7 years he was tired of fighting an uphill battle at ND and wanted to see what he could accomplish at a place like LSU with more talent at his disposal.

You keep saying this despite polling of coaches routinely showing it among the most desirable. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

You're basically Clay Travis: The 25 Best College Football Jobs in America | Outkick The Coverage You're taking the line of a Notre Dame hater, or other Deep South devotees: The 7 most overrated jobs in college football, from Nebraska to Notre Dame | For The Win

But when ESPN polled Group of Five coaches (i.e. the ranks most schools hire from) awhile ago they listed Notre Dame as the most desirable. When they internally polled this year, Notre Dame checked in #11... this is the lowest Notre Dame has ever been in an objective opinion poll. There is no evidence to support that coaches don't think Notre Dame is a Tier 1 job. There is no poll of coaches that has ever suggested that. Sorry.

 

[Free Manera]

When they internally polled this year, Notre Dame checked in #11... this is the lowest Notre Dame has ever been in an objective opinion poll.

I'm surprised ND is outside the top 10. Who was 1-10?

 

[ND NYC]

if (big if) what crusader says happened....methinks Kelly called/reached out to LSU to see if he could inquire about Aranda...knowing full well he really wanted to start conversations about himself.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Kelly's offense is a joke against top teams. Can't run and it requires his QB to be perfect. No LSU does not want Kelly. No top tier program would hire Kelly again.

Your posts are a joke. He went into Norman with a subpar offense and won. He's gone into Palo Alto and won, Kelly's offense is very good even if it's frustrating for us.

Imagine if he could run his offense without all of the stuff at ND. Imagine he never had the frozen 5, EG suspension or having to boot his senior safety. Imagine if he could pull any player he wanted instead of selecting from a reduced pool of applicants?

I think Kelly would do very well at a state school in any of the P5 programs. What it does for the perception of the program is not good. As others have said, lateral moves are never a good thing. I would much prefer he flirt with the NFL.

 

[Rocket89]

You keep saying this despite polling of coaches routinely showing it among the most desirable. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

You're basically Clay Travis: The 25 Best College Football Jobs in America | Outkick The Coverage You're taking the line of a Notre Dame hater, or other Deep South devotees: The 7 most overrated jobs in college football, from Nebraska to Notre Dame | For The Win

But when ESPN polled Group of Five coaches (i.e. the ranks most schools hire from) awhile ago they listed Notre Dame as the most desirable. When they internally polled this year, Notre Dame checked in #11... this is the lowest Notre Dame has ever been in an objective opinion poll. There is no evidence to support that coaches don't think Notre Dame is a Tier 1 job. There is no poll of coaches that has ever suggested that. Sorry.

Isn't there plenty of room to differentiate between the job being desirable and still difficult?

I can see why any poll from coaches would have Notre Dame high on desirability, mainly because any coach instantly becomes massively more popular in the national consciousness.

But is there any doubt that Notre Dame is the most difficult Tier I job in the country? I think that's the issue more than anything else.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Your posts are a joke. He went into Norman with a subpar offense and won. He's gone into Palo Alto and won, Kelly's offense is very good even if it's frustrating for us.

Imagine if he could run his offense without all of the stuff at ND. Imagine he never had the frozen 5, EG suspension or having to boot his senior safety. Imagine if he could pull any player he wanted instead of selecting from a reduced pool of applicants?

I think Kelly would do very well at a state school in any of the P5 programs. What it does for the perception of the program is not good. As others have said, lateral moves are never a good thing. I would much prefer he flirt with the NFL.

he hasn't won at Stanford, FWIW.

 

[NDinL.A.]

if (big if) what crusader says happened

Yeah, all this over a completely unsubstantiated rumor?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yeah, all this over a completely unsubstantiated rumor?

There are a thousand reasons for a rumor to be started and passed around.

Beside anything like this actually happening, it could have been for started for any reason from developing positive PR for Kelly, (when he stays, even though he was never really leaving,) to a reflection of some fallout from a meeting that wasn't a cheery, and one-minded about BVG's dismissal as advertised. Or it could even be intended to show support for the dearly departed. It could even be an attempt to disrupt recruiting by a Kelly-hater.

Who knows? But it isn't worth spending much time on, until there is verification.

 

[Irish#1]

There are a thousand reasons for a rumor to be started and passed around.

Beside anything like this actually happening, it could have been for started for any reason from developing positive PR for Kelly, (when he stays, even though he was never really leaving,) to a reflection of some fallout from a meeting that wasn't a cheery, and one-minded about BVG's dismissal as advertised. Or it could even be intended to show support for the dearly departed. It could even be an attempt to disrupt recruiting by a Kelly-hater.

Who knows? But it isn't worth spending much time on, until there is verification.

It's a rumor. what's more fun that speculating on an unsupported rumor? lol

 

[ScooterIrish]

Your posts are a joke. He went into Norman with a subpar offense and won. He's gone into Palo Alto and won, Kelly's offense is very good even if it's frustrating for us.

Imagine if he could run his offense without all of the stuff at ND. Imagine he never had the frozen 5, EG suspension or having to boot his senior safety. Imagine if he could pull any player he wanted instead of selecting from a reduced pool of applicants?

I think Kelly would do very well at a state school in any of the P5 programs. What it does for the perception of the program is not good. As others have said, lateral moves are never a good thing. I would much prefer he flirt with the NFL.

Uhhh no, sorry. He hasn't won at Stanford, and in fact, his un-ability to create any kind of push in the run game was a major factor in losing last year (besides the crap defense). And oh wow, he beat a pretty good Oklahoma team in 2012. I give Kelly credit for the willingness to commit to the run game (outside of the long run by CW, the run game averaged right around 4.0). The passing game was pretty bad outside of the 50 yard pass to Brown. Not surprising though. Holding the Okie defense to abysmal YPC really helped though.

His offense isn't that good. He's had elite talent on the OL. Elite talent at WR/TE and some really good RBs. This thought that he would be better with a bigger pool of players to recruit is insane. Your posts are crap.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You keep saying this despite polling of coaches routinely showing it among the most desirable. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

You're basically Clay Travis: The 25 Best College Football Jobs in America | Outkick The Coverage You're taking the line of a Notre Dame hater, or other Deep South devotees: The 7 most overrated jobs in college football, from Nebraska to Notre Dame | For The Win

But when ESPN polled Group of Five coaches (i.e. the ranks most schools hire from) awhile ago they listed Notre Dame as the most desirable. When they internally polled this year, Notre Dame checked in #11... this is the lowest Notre Dame has ever been in an objective opinion poll. There is no evidence to support that coaches don't think Notre Dame is a Tier 1 job. There is no poll of coaches that has ever suggested that. Sorry.

I see #11 as a very good job. Not a great job. Not a top 5 or top 10 job, which reiterates my point that if BK were interested in LSU, I wouldn't blame him. Take the blue and gold sunglasses off. It's not 1975 anymore.

 

[Rocket89]

Uhhh no, sorry. He hasn't won at Stanford, and in fact, his un-ability to create any kind of push in the run game was a major factor in losing last year (besides the crap defense). And oh wow, he beat a pretty good Oklahoma team in 2012. I give Kelly credit for the willingness to commit to the run game (outside of the long run by CW, the run game averaged right around 4.0). The passing game was pretty bad outside of the 50 yard pass to Brown. Not surprising though. Holding the Okie defense to abysmal YPC really helped though.

His offense isn't that good. He's had elite talent on the OL. Elite talent at WR/TE and some really good RBs. This thought that he would be better with a bigger pool of players to recruit is insane. Your posts are crap.

Notre Dame National Offense S&P+ Rankings

2016: 13th currently
2015: 8th
2014: 20th
2013: 27th
2012: 7th
2011: 20th
2010: 27th

Imagine complaining about defensive stats like that. If this isn't even good then everything needs to be redefined.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Uhhh no, sorry. He hasn't won at Stanford, and in fact, his un-ability to create any kind of push in the run game was a major factor in losing last year (besides the crap defense). And oh wow, he beat a pretty good Oklahoma team in 2012. I give Kelly credit for the willingness to commit to the run game (outside of the long run by CW, the run game averaged right around 4.0). The passing game was pretty bad outside of the 50 yard pass to Brown. Not surprising though. Holding the Okie defense to abysmal YPC really helped though.

His offense isn't that good. He's had elite talent on the OL. Elite talent at WR/TE and some really good RBs. This thought that he would be better with a bigger pool of players to recruit is insane. Your posts are crap.

BK's offenses have been phenomenal between the 20s. They've struggled scoring in the red zone. This year, the RZ woes have completely changed. They're scoring in the RZ at an 87% rate, even after having a bad weekend in the RZ last week against 'Cuse.

They're also averaging almost 40 ppg. But you think his offense isn't that good? You say something as ignorant as that and then proceed to claim someone else's posts are crap? Interesting...