Brian Kelly Contract

[BobD]

If Notre Dame has another good/big year AND BK leaves right after because the admin wouldn't do what it takes to hold onto him... AFTER the previous four coaches...

well, if that happens, I'd seriously have to re-evaluate love affair/passion in this whole thing...

What would be the point of investing so much if the admin. is that self defeating... just the thought is frustrating.

I would just chaulk it up as more of the sh!t that happens to us.

 

[TK22867]

If Notre Dame has another good/big year AND BK leaves right after because the admin wouldn't do what it takes to hold onto him... AFTER the previous four coaches...

well, if that happens, I'd seriously have to re-evaluate love affair/passion in this whole thing...

What would be the point of investing so much if the admin. is that self defeating... just the thought is frustrating.

I would think (and hope) a majority of us Irish fans fall into that category. What would be the point to get back on top if the admin won't help us stay there?

That's a worst-case scenario for me. If that really does come to fruition, I'm out, because that will be the end of ND football as we know it today.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'll never be 'out'.... I'm too damn stubborn... but I may honestly walk away from things like IE or having 90% of my wardrobe ND, being defined it by people that know me... that stuff… seriously, you're in it to win or you aren't... **** or get off the pot time...

 

[greyhammer90]

I guess my issue with people who think he's leaving soon is that he just turned down a job that a different top-tier head coach was totally happy to scoop up? I mean if he's looking to move up, is he waiting for something better than Philly? They're dysfunctional, but really talented. They're not the browns or anything.

IMO when a guy, for less money, turns down the best vacant position available in the NFL I would call that a confidence booster.

 

[ACamp1900]

That would so fit my football luck... BK wins 11 plus games and a BCS bowl this year... then Bolts for Cleveland... they suck, he's S-canned within three or so years... and ND is stuck with another decade and a half of trying to find the right guy...

whatever, hypotheticals can be fun... I'll really worry when any of this actually happens.

 

[tadman95]

If Notre Dame has another good/big year AND BK leaves right after because the admin wouldn't do what it takes to hold onto him... AFTER the previous four coaches...

well, if that happens, I'd seriously have to re-evaluate love affair/passion in this whole thing...

What would be the point of investing so much if the admin. is that self defeating... just the thought is frustrating.

This pretty much sums it up for me.

Me three.

 

[BobD]

I'll never be 'out'.... I'm too damn stubborn... but I may honestly walk away from things like IE or having 90% of my wardrobe ND, being defined it by people that know me... that stuff… seriously, you're in it to win or you aren't... **** or get off the pot time...

There is no way out.

 

[Booslum31]

There is no way out.

Only thought about "stepping back" during the Ty years. But i'm afraid that you are right...THERE'S NO WAY OUT!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I have a hard time buying that money is the real hang-up here. ND could pass the hat among wealthy alumni for the explicit purpose of keeping Kelly, thereby making him the highest paid coach in the country without any negative impact on the Athletic Department's bottom line.

If contract negotiations have truly stalled, I'd bet it's over non-monetary items.

 

[ACamp1900]

Only thought about "stepping back" during the Ty years. But i'm afraid that you are right...THERE'S NO WAY OUT!

I actually stepped back during the end of the Davie years... being a college Frosh might have had something to do with it but I tend to think it was mostly out of a sense of hopelessness... Hrad to describe it fully, I was still a die hard fan in many ways, but I didn't watch every game and didn't rock ND every day, that kind of thing, and certainly had come to accept ND wasn't Nd anymore... I didn't come back to full on craziness until 2005... oddly enough, it was prob. the USC game that reeally jolted me back.

How could this conceivably be about money? ND could pass the hat among wealthy alumni for the explicit purpose of keeping Kelly, thereby making him the highest paid coach in the country without any negative impact on the Athletic Department's bottom line.

If contract negotiations have truly stalled, I'd bet it's over non-monetary items.

this.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'll never be 'out'.... I'm too damn stubborn... but I may honestly walk away from things like IE or having 90% of my wardrobe ND, being defined it by people that know me... that stuff… seriously, you're in it to win or you aren't... **** or get off the pot time...

I am glad to know others feel occasionally like they have too much gear. I walked in the Kroger not to long ago and said high to one of the cute checkout girls, and she looked at me blankly for a second and replied, "Oh, I didn't recognize you for a second, it's the first time I have seen you with out ND something on!" Lol!

 

[phillyirish]

I put no substance into this Brian Kelly leaving skepticism. The only way I could even contemplate it would be if that during Kelly's Eagles flirt the ND admin made a bunch of promises to Kelly to keep him here that they aren't backing.

But everyone else is welcomed to lose their minds.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

How could this conceivably be about money? ND could pass the hat among wealthy alumni for the explicit purpose of keeping Kelly, thereby making him the highest paid coach in the country without any negative impact on the Athletic Department's bottom line.

If contract negotiations have truly stalled, I'd bet it's over non-monetary items.

I have thought about this all afternoon. I don't have any sources that there is a problem but two, and one defamed me today. With that kind of contextual misinterpretation of something I wrote, I have to wonder if that is how someone hears something that shows up like something else, and gets reported 180 degrees off all other reports.

For example, maybe the hold up here is the BOT, that feels if they give Kelly the keys, that means field turf, Jumbotrons, and a wicked non-traditional uniform for one game a year. That way there appears to be strife, but what we are seeing is slow play. (Strife makes for better gossip.)

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Its a whole lot harder to get a guy to leave when he's the best paid in the industry he's in at the level he's at.

So while you make a good point about opportunity, when you're making a ton, and have an opportunity to bring home the first title to THE historic program in CFB....you're more likely staying

I don't even know if I want BK to be the highest paid coach in CFB.

We need to pay him more, and we need to pay him like he's one of the best. But I wouldn't want the administration throwing the farm again, then risk paying a guy for 8-9 years when he's not coaching. Let the admin posture and do their due diligence. Then pay him the market rate.

 

[ACamp1900]

I have thought about this all afternoon. I don't have any sources that there is a problem but two, and one defamed me today. With that kind of contextual misinterpretation of something I wrote, I have to wonder if that is how someone hears something that shows up like something else, and gets reported 180 degrees off all other reports.

For example, maybe the hold up here is the BOT, that feels if they give Kelly the keys, that means field turf, Jumbotrons, and a wicked non-traditional uniform for one game a year. That way there appears to be strife, but what we are seeing is slow play. (Strife makes for better gossip.)

wut?

 

[SoIll]

This reason alone is why i tend to post only on my 247 account, people bring insight to a thread and the guy gets hung. NDinLA is a very respectable poster and shares plenty of insight. His sources are top notch. Its not like hes just trying to troll everyone. This is the type of sh*t that scares posters away from enlightening you on certain "big time" happenings. chill people. chill. NDinLA hopes his guys are wrong, but he was just stating what he heard.. Sorry for my 2 cents everyone, just think its a bit unfair..

 

[ACamp1900]

This reason alone is why i tend to post only on my 247 account, people bring insight to a thread and the guy gets hung. NDinLA is a very respectable poster and shares plenty of insight. His sources are top notch. Its not like hes just trying to troll everyone. This is the type of sh*t that scares posters away from enlightening you on certain "big time" happenings. chill people. chill. NDinLA hopes his guys are wrong, but he was just stating what he heard.. Sorry for my 2 cents everyone, just think its a bit unfair..

Did I miss something... was my boy NDinLA attacked? was this at me?

Edit: nevermind... I went back and read through, I missed all that the first time...

 

[Old Man Mike]

Horrible thread, but I'll throw my cup of gasoline:

Kelly is holistic. he has a vision of a large systemic organization from which the best chance of success "naturally" progresses.

Money for salary would seem an unlikely issue. Money for assistant salaries would seem an unlikely issue. Money for facility upgrades would seem an unlikely issue [unless things like turf change-over or jumbotron aren't settled to his liking].

NCAA has allowed a few more paid assistants to help "in the recruiting office" I've heard. Did Coach get the go-ahead to max out numbers there?

Kelly realizes that he needs the maximum opportunities to recruit the best players and that more strain exists on his nationally-traveling staff than on any staff in the country. Has he asked for something that will relieve that which hasn't been granted?

Lou was constantly miffed at the administration for what he perceived as unhelpfulness in getting "irregularities" in certain high schoolers academics "facilitated", leading, according to my understanding, to Lou's own "early retirement". Is there some analogy here with Kelly?

Have "things" happened with players like Shepherd, Vanderdoes, the Armstrongs, et al, which were botched [in coach's mind] by non-football elements of the administration that are frustrating him?

All this is just gas-blowing by me, but I post it to try to expand the landscape of what could be sticking in people's craw, if in fact anything is at all.

 

[Rack Em]

My guess is that NDNation and BBNDG haven't given Savvy Jack the "go ahead" on the terms of BK's new contract.

Lest us all forget that those two groups are the driving force behind the resurgence of Our Lady's football program!

 

[ACamp1900]

My guess is that NDNation and BBNDG haven't given Savvy Jack the "go ahead" on the terms of BK's new contract.

Lest us all forget that those two groups are the driving force behind the resurgence of Our Lady's football program!

Get ACross on the damn phone... ASAP!!

 

[Rack Em]

Get ACross on the damn phone... ASAP!!

You seriously think he's not being consulted on this matter??

How dare you, ACamp! When will you peasants learn to not question royalty?!?

 

[ACamp1900]

my mistake... I bow my head in shame... at least my name is close to his... maybe that can get me past security???

 

[irishog77]

FWIW, I was talking to a couple alumni who have some contacts in the administration 5 weeks ago at a wedding...and they are/were under the impression that an extension wasn't imminent. Not that one wouldn't occur or it wouldn't happen, just that it wasn't imminent (as of 5 weeks ago).

The Eagles flirtation, according to them and their contacts, caused a bit of friction between BK and the administration (or BOT, depending on how you look at it). Some of the good will built up over Kelly's 3 years at the helm was kind of lessened (I won't say destroyed) by the Eagles dalliance.

Again, these are 2 guys who know people that work in the administration, but I wouldn't proclaim it as Gospel. And keep in mind, a fight (so to speak) between 2 people doesn't necessarily mean a break up. I got in a big one with my boss a a month or two ago...and then we reconciled...and now both of us are happier and more committed to our job and each other than we were before. We just needed to clear the air, get some stuff off our chests, reexamine our commitment to our work and each other, and reexamine expectations and compensation. Same thing could happen with BK and ND (if, in fact, it even needs to).

I still don't think there's a need for anybody to panic over the situation though. I still think things get worked out.

My 2 cents.

 

[Rack Em]

Again, these are 2 guys who know people that work in the administration, but I wouldn't proclaim it as Gospel. And keep in mind, a fight (so to speak) between 2 people doesn't necessarily mean a break up. I got in a big one with my boss a a month or two ago...and then we reconciled...and now both of us are happier and more committed to our job and each other than we were before. We just needed to clear the air, get some stuff off our chests, reexamine our commitment to our work and each other, and reexamine expectations and compensation. Same thing could happen with BK and ND (if, in fact, it even needs to).

Clearly you nor your boss is Gunner Kiel.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Quality, quality post og. I've overrepped (for the first time on this site) these past 24 hrs because of the influx of top notch posts I've been reading, but they are coming.

And let me reiterate what I said earlier and what you just said and what others have said either here or in PM, I honestly don't think it's Swarbrick. He's too 'G' to let anything like this happen. If anything is going on, it's got to be the BoT.

There was a long post on ISD about 3 months ago by a member I had dinner with the night before the spring game. I could not believe how much info this guy had on the history of ND. It was like sitting down to dinner with a mix of OMM and BGIF. Anyways, in his post he said that he had people that he trusted completely saying that the BoT were PISSED at BK for everything that went down with the Eagles, and they predicted that they would hold it against Kelly come contract time. A lot of people scoffed at his post at the time, but now, he sounds prophetic.

So despite what one dude here with ND blinders on and a big axe to grind claims that everything I have written is 180 degrees different than everything else being said, there is actually A LOT of smoke around this, as your post og indicated and several PM's have indicated as well. There are also rumors that it is pretty much a done deal, so let's hope those guys are right.

Oh, and there is NOTHING wrong with being gay!

And keep in mind, a fight (so to speak) between 2 people doesn't necessarily mean a break up. I got in a big one with my boss a a month or two ago...and then we reconciled...and now both of us are happier and more committed to our job and each other than we were before. We just needed to clear the air, get some stuff off our chests, reexamine our commitment to our work and each other, and reexamine expectations and compensation.

My 2 cents.

 

[BobD]

FWIW, I was talking to a couple alumni who have some contacts in the administration 5 weeks ago at a wedding...and they are/were under the impression that an extension wasn't imminent. Not that one wouldn't occur or it wouldn't happen, just that it wasn't imminent (as of 5 weeks ago).

The Eagles flirtation, according to them and their contacts, caused a bit of friction between BK and the administration (or BOT, depending on how you look at it). Some of the good will built up over Kelly's 3 years at the helm was kind of lessened (I won't say destroyed) by the Eagles dalliance.

Again, these are 2 guys who know people that work in the administration, but I wouldn't proclaim it as Gospel. And keep in mind, a fight (so to speak) between 2 people doesn't necessarily mean a break up. I got in a big one with my boss a a month or two ago...and then we reconciled...and now both of us are happier and more committed to our job and each other than we were before. We just needed to clear the air, get some stuff off our chests, reexamine our commitment to our work and each other, and reexamine expectations and compensation. Same thing could happen with BK and ND (if, in fact, it even needs to).

I still don't think there's a need for anybody to panic over the situation though. I still think things get worked out.

My 2 cents.

Who the hell is this and what have you done with irishog 77?

Example of the REAL irishog 77:
"I can just imagine Wooly, at some point in the 2nd quarter, reaching into his pants....and saying, "hey dude, so, you wanna a bologna sandwich?" At which point the women and children scream."

 

[Irish Insanity]

I have no clue if he will stay or go following the season. But if they are continuing to iron out a contract, I would imagine that means he intends on staying. If not, with a few years left already, why work on an extension. It will most likely include a larger buy out. If he intended on leaving after the season, I can't imagine he would agree to may more to do it.

 

[irishog77]

Oh, and there is NOTHING wrong with being gay!

And keep in mind, a fight (so to speak) between 2 people doesn't necessarily mean a break up. I got in a big one with my boss a a month or two ago...and then we reconciled...and now both of us are happier and more committed to our job and each other than we were before. We just needed to clear the air, get some stuff off our chests, reexamine our commitment to our work and each other, and reexamine expectations and compensation.

Oh holy f$cking sh!t-- that portion of my post! It maaayyyybe didn't come across quite like I expected.

I'll commence to kicking my own @ss after rereading that! Haha!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I personally could by the BoT angle if you figure in the Field Turf, Jumbotron, and non-traditional uniforms (I mentioned in an earlier post). I can see there being a lot of bad feelings around that incident, and other ancillary issues related to that whole fiasco. There could be a lesson to learn, power to rescind, etc. But as Irishhog states, this is a pendular kind of thing, with relationships and business.

My feeling that this wasn't a money issue or an eleventh hour issue stands.

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For example, maybe the hold up here is the BOT, that feels if they give Kelly the keys, that means field turf, Jumbotrons, and a wicked non-traditional uniform for one game a year. That way there appears to be strife, but what we are seeing is slow play. (Strife makes for better gossip.)

 

[FearTheBeard]

Hope this all gets worked out soon. Not sure id be able to handle us taking any steps back if he were to leave. Give the man what he wants!