Black Monday 2013 Edition

[ACamp1900]

They o it with their QBs... Why not their coaches too...

 

[ND NYC]

Honestly though he did a damn good job this year. 8-8 with a rookie qb and literally no quality skill position players.

this

 

[dublinirish]

the Browns are just the worst, did you guys read that article on Deadspin where they invited a journo into their War Room at the Draft and then kicked him out?! Michael Lombardi hasnt a clue

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I feel bad for fans of the Browns

But we drafted a new QB.... Oh honey,

But we have a new coach.... Oh honey,

But we have a new front office.... OH HONEY

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[Kaneyoufeelit]

This too

 

[Bogtrotter07]

This is all really pathetic and laughable by the Browns. On the surface, firing Chudzinski after 1 year is a complete joke...especially considering it was a former regime that used a 1st round pick on a QB that is older than dshans...and wasn't ever worth a 1st round pick to begin with. Chudzinski had to pay for another man's mistake when it came to his QB. Honestly, I think the best move the Browns have made, since their reincarnation, was flipping Trent Richardson for a 1st round pick. Too bad they spent the 3rd pick in the draft to get a 20-something pick out of it though.

The rumor last year was that Lombardi and Saban have a good relationship, and that Haslam really wants Saban as his coach as well. Wonder if this rumor will flare back up?

Rob went to the same high school that I did. He was just quite a bit younger ('bout 11 years!) To say I knew him would imply that we were friends. We weren't really. But we have had a lot of common friends and acquaintances. Parents were friends of friends; sisters, brothers cousins, it was all a neighborhood thing. I can tell you that from a personal standpoint from his actions, who he hung with and what he has done, that anyone who has much negative to say about him is full of shit. In fact, I was at our old high school the night he went through the glass door. After seeing that, it was amazing that he even came back at all to play football. (Did I like him going to Miami? Fuck the Hurricanes!)

When do you hire a coach at a dumpster fire of a franchise, and judge him based upon his first season?

The Browns won 2 in '11, 5 in '12, and 4 in '13. It has been nine years since they have had a playoff berth.

I don't know if Rob Chudzinski took a strange right turn and became an asshole of a new order, or if the guys that are criticizing him are jock fungus, but it seems to me this may have more to do with bad mistakes made by inexperienced new ownership. If you don't have a winning NFL program and you are not going to stand behind your coach, I agree, Rob Chudzinski is not the coach for you.

It is kind of a shame. As a kid I had a lot of contact with the Browns organization. I always kind of liked them. But I worked for a company with locations in Beachwood and downtown, (less than a block from the then Jake,) when Model "crept away in the night."

Ever since they let them go it has been the clowns to me. Even when Brady was there. And Brady is a tremendous human being, it wasn't enough.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Frazier is out in Minny, who is next?

 

[domerfreak]

Frazier is out in Minny, who is next?

my money is on shanahan

 

[Booslum31]

Rob went to the same high school that I did. He was just quite a bit younger ('bout 11 years!) To say I knew him would imply that we were friends. We weren't really. But we have had a lot of common friends and acquaintances. Parents were friends of friends; sisters, brothers cousins, it was all a neighborhood thing. I can tell you that from a personal standpoint from his actions, who he hung with and what he has done, that anyone who has much negative to say about him is full of shit. In fact, I was at our old high school the night he went through the glass door. After seeing that, it was amazing that he even came back at all to play football. (Did I like him going to Miami? Fuck the Hurricanes!)

When do you hire a coach at a dumpster fire of a franchise, and judge him based upon his first season?

The Browns won 2 in '11, 5 in '12, and 4 in '13. It has been nine years since they have had a playoff berth.

I don't know if Rob Chudzinski took a strange right turn and became an asshole of a new order, or if the guys that are criticizing him are jock fungus, but it seems to me this may have more to do with bad mistakes made by inexperienced new ownership. If you don't have a winning NFL program and you are not going to stand behind your coach, I agree, Rob Chudzinski is not the coach for you.

It is kind of a shame. As a kid I had a lot of contact with the Browns organization. I always kind of liked them. But I worked for a company with locations in Beachwood and downtown, (less than a block from the then Jake,) when Model "crept away in the night."

Ever since they let them go it has been the clowns to me. Even when Brady was there. And Brady is a tremendous human being, it wasn't enough.

Well said Bogs. I've lived in Cleveburgh for 14 years (transplant from Rochester) and have tried sooo hard to be a Browns fan. They change coaches and managers in this town like I change my underwear! Can't believe that they made Chud the fall guy here. His team fought hard for him and he made the best of the shat that he was handed to play with. He's a good man and didn't derserve this...at all. I wish him well.

 

[irishff1014]

Shanahan Gone

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Shanahan is done, Schwartz and Dennis Allen are on the clock.


Not confirmed yet but reports are coming in that IrishLax is picketing outside FedEx Field holding an Art Briles cutout.

 

[irishff1014]

Shanahan is done, Schwartz and Dennis Allen are on the clock.


Not confirmed yet but reports are coming in that IrishLax is picketing outside FedEx Field holding an Art Briles cutout.

Did you hear the list of names they said could get interviews?

Sherman from Miami, Jay Gruden OC Cincy, Mike Zimmer Cincy DC

 

[domerfreak]

wasting no time....i think schwartz gets another year its just going to be way to expensive to buy him out and then lure another coach in. jmo

 

[ScooterIrish]

wasting no time....i think schwartz gets another year its just going to be way to expensive to buy him out and then lure another coach in. jmo

If the Lions let money make the decision, they deserve this forever. And I'm a Lions fan.

 

[woolybug25]

"If Browns fire Rob Chudzinski, Pats OC Josh McDaniels will be considered. McDaniels nearly hired Browns GM Mike Lombardi when HC in Denver," tweeted ESPN's Ed Werder earlier this afternoon.

Gaaawd.... can the Browns be any worse of a franchise?

 

[domerfreak]

If the Lions let money make the decision, they deserve this forever. And I'm a Lions fan.

im not saying let money dictate. my point is how many first time untested coaches have the lions had? have a team full of talent with poor leadership. the 12 million buyout and cost to bring in a coach with a better resume wont be cheap. just does not seem like a wise business decision.

 

[phork]

im not saying let money dictate. my point is how many first time untested coaches have the lions had? have a team full of talent with poor leadership. the 12 million buyout and cost to bring in a coach with a better resume wont be cheap. just does not seem like a wise business decision.

No it doesn't, but it shows the fans that management is on their side. There is absolutely no reason to keep Schwartz after 6-3 and then 1-5 to close out the year. GB and Chicago practically gave them the division and gift wrapped it when they both lost 2 weeks ago.

 

[domerfreak]

No it doesn't, but it shows the fans that management is on their side. There is absolutely no reason to keep Schwartz after 6-3 and then 1-5 to close out the year. GB and Chicago practically gave them the division and gift wrapped it when they both lost 2 weeks ago.

i see your point. guess its my way of saying the fords will stay out of south bend...haha...heres a question for lions fans. what about shanahan for a replacement?

 

[IrishLax]

If I'm the Lions I don't throw away likely $20 between buyouts to bring in an elite, unproven college coach from somewhere. I buyout Schwartz if I can get someone like Dungy or Cowher for a reasonable price.

Otherwise, I keep Schwartz for another year.

 

[domerfreak]

If I'm the Lions I don't throw away likely $20 between buyouts to bring in an elite, unproven college coach from somewhere. I buyout Schwartz if I can get someone like Dungy or Cowher for a reasonable price.

Otherwise, I keep Schwartz for another year.

that was my point...i do not watch enough nfl to have a good insight but i can see both sides of the argument.

 

[PANDFAN]

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[koonja]

If the Lions job becomes open, why wouldn't Obrien consider that over Texans? Seems like a better roster.

 

[dublinirish]

Jim Mora to the NFL yes please

 

[Irish#1]

Chudzinski is out.

For all of you Dungy hopers, give it up. It's not happening.

O'Brien may be holding off Houston to see if he gets the Lions position. Personally, I would rather coach Houston. The owners are loyal and back their coach. The only thing they are really lacking is a QB. I keep hearing reports that Stafford is uncoachable, won't work with a QB coach in the off-season and refuses to take a leadership role.

 

[Irish#1]

Patrick is saying that O'Brien is under consideration for the Browns position.

 

[irishog77]

All things being equal, how many people would willingly take a job and relocate to Detroit though? If I'm being courted by businesses in a myriad of cities, the one in Detroit better be for a lot more money and/or some other great incentives for me to pick Detroit over Houston, Minneapolis, D.C., the Bay area, Tampa, etc. Cleveland and Detroit may be a push, but I'd probably pick Cleveland though.

 

[Irish Insanity]

So either trying to negotiate reduced buyout, reduced salary to return for next year, post mortem to refocus for next year including staff changes, or a formality to fire him face to face.

Can't believe how bad the Lions shit the bed to end this year. It's 75% Matt Stafford, not the coaches, IMO.

It was not welcome among Lions fans, but at the beginning of the year I said I'd be ok with Stafford leaving w/ Schwartz. I don't see him as much different than Cutler or Romo. Has some elite skills, but just gets in his own way. I don't think any of the 3 can legitimately read a D.

Stafford declined working with a QB guru in the offseason so I don't think that would matter. Stafford only produces numbers by throwing lobs to Megatron.

He's got a cannon for an arm and can throw thru more arm angles than any other QB, he just doesn't know how to use it an tries to be 'pretty' all the time.

If the Lions let money make the decision, they deserve this forever. And I'm a Lions fan.

Unfortunately as Lions fans we know they will always let money make the decision, and they aren't poor.

If the Lions job becomes open, why wouldn't Obrien consider that over Texans? Seems like a better roster.

I'm a Lions fan, I know the roster is much better in Detroit, but I'd take the Houston job. The Detroit organization is dysfunctional. In Houston you get the top pick and can basically decide from the first day what direction you want your program to go.

 

[dublinirish]

All things being equal, how many people would willingly take a job and relocate to Detroit though? If I'm being courted by businesses in a myriad of cities, the one in Detroit better be for a lot more money and/or some other great incentives for me to pick Detroit over Houston, Minneapolis, D.C., the Bay area, Tampa, etc. Cleveland and Detroit may be a push, but I'd probably pick Cleveland though.

Ah c'mon Metro Detroit is pretty much the same as half those cities you mentoined. Most of the Lions players/coaches live out in Canton, Plymouth or Auburn Hills anyways.

 

[woolybug25]

Chudzinski is out.

For all of you Dungy hopers, give it up. It's not happening.

O'Brien may be holding off Houston to see if he gets the Lions position. Personally, I would rather coach Houston. The owners are loyal and back their coach. The only thing they are really lacking is a QB. I keep hearing reports that Stafford is uncoachable, won't work with a QB coach in the off-season and refuses to take a leadership role.

But they do have the first pick of the draft.

 

[irishog77]

Ah c'mon Metro Detroit is pretty much the same as half those cities you mentoined. Most of the Lions players/coaches live out in Canton, Plymouth or Auburn Hills anyways.

Ok, then I'd still pick suburban Minneapolis, Houston, Oakland, D.C., Tampa, Cleveland over suburban Detroit. I'm not alone in that thinking either-- many Michiganites/anders (not sure what the proper term is for that) have left and are leaving.

Tax rates, weather, crime rates, schools, neighborhoods....quality of life usually matter when people are picking a destination to live in for the foreseeable future. Particularly when they have multiple options in picking a location.