BCS Rankings: 2012

[irishfanjho15]

ND needs to beat up on Wake and beat SC by 17+.

Oregon's best win will be @ USC (62-51) +11.

KSU's best win will be @ Oklahoma (24-19) +5.

ND beats both of those. ND wins the common opponents and should be ranked ahead of both teams. This is how college football polls used to be decided.

 

[phgreek]

I don't think coaches should be voting on a top 25. How many teams do they actually see play every weekend? Probably only two. Their own and whoever their opponent is. They don't have time to sit around and watch other teams.

I understand this when you get beyond the undefeated teams...but please tell me how hard it is to go 1-2-3 w/ Oregon, Kstate and ND...I'll take 3 from the coaches, across the board...Conference coaches have no more credibility than frat brothers...douchebags!

 

[EifertPower]

He's having a f-ing field day saying 4-7-8-9 would beat ND.... Not could.....WOULD. SEC bull$hit. He's the up and coming mattress stain that daddy missed the intended receiver.

SEC bias is sickening. I sat through that entire show wondering if Florida would get ripped or the SEC knocked for having one of its top teams (Florida) hold on for dear life at home against an average Sun Belt team. Florida needed a late TD with under 2 minutes left and a blocked punt returned for a TD to beat a really weak team from a no name conference. Yet, somehow this fact eluded any discussion all weekend.

 

[ARALOU]

A Georgia guy ripping ND? They beat an over rated Florida team. Thats all. ESPN is on course to ruin college football. The only teams they will recognize is ones with ties to their network.

 

[NDinTEXAS]

UGA should be #4 period. How many other schools would lose this late in the schedule wouldn't drop much lower. I promise if we lose to USC we drop AT LEAST 6 spots!

 

[RallySonsOfND]

The only way we will see any SEC bias go away is if their teams lose bowl games.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

These a$$holes would make sure we drop out of the BCS completely. Mark my words.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

The only way we will see any SEC bias go away is if their teams lose bowl games.

Exactly and this year it seems extremely likely they will.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

What a load of total bullsh*t... Florida almost lost to f*cking Louisiana Lafayette this week. The SEC is so freaking overrated this year it is insane. Texas A&M = middling Big 12 program = capable of beating all of the SEC big dogs.

Wish ESPN people would try some logic every once in awhile.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. ESPN is to sports what Fox and MSNBC is to politics. All have an agenda and unfortunately for ND, it isn't an agenda that favors them.

 

[ickythump1225]

The most remarkable part is ESPN keeps acting like ND is this cute little story ala "The Little Engine that Could" and should be viewed like Boise was during their couple undefeated runs and stay at the kiddie table.

The greatest college football program of all-time has become a walking Rodney Dangerfield joke to these jerkoffs.........

*Excuse me while I go bong Drano

Yeah I noticed that as well. They're subtly saying "oh it's quaint that this poor little team keeps chugging along but gosh darn it they're just not as good as noted powerhouse Kansas State." Please.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Coach Kelly:

"If you want style points, look at our defense, look at the schedule that we played: 10 FBS teams. I think it's pretty clear that this football team has been built around its defense, and we've lived up to that each and every week. We'll just keep working on one at a time and let other people figure out where that puts us."

End discussion.

 

[IrishLion]

ND is gonna handle Wake and beat SC in a close one.

Kansas State is going to squeak by Baylor in a track meet (I'll say 49-45), and then get their asses handed to them by Texas (I'll say 35-20 with a late K-State score).

This will clear the way for ND to show Oregon what a real defense looks like in the National Championship. Everyone take a chill pill, the Irish will get their shot if they take care of business.

K-State will get beat comfortably by Baylor if they play like they did against TCU, and Texas is going to beat them regardless.

 

[GowerND11]

I am disgusted by ESPN. Rose Bowl vs Nebraska? If that happens it would be the biggest slap in the face we could recieve. Also the constant bashing of our offense is just laughable. They make no mention about our WORLD CLASS defense. Pollack is just a butthurt SEC homer.

 

[ND NYC]

kelly will play this all up with the team to keep that chip on their shoulders and their heads focused on what they need to take care of on the field.
lots of football left for all 3 unbeatens-including us.

as for espn? did we expect anything different?

let them lose their souls

 

[NDinTEXAS]

Sorry i'm burning up right now just finding reasons to hate espn they put a poll up "should Kevin Sumlin be the coach of the year". How can that question not be about Kelly he has brought a team that wasn't ranked in the top 25 to #3 with a undefeated team. its incontestable. /sigh they hate us!

 

[EifertPower]

can anyone provide a link to where i can see the full results for the coaches poll and harris poll. I'd like to crunch some numbers but need to know what each coach voted us. thanks

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

Excellent post and Reps. If Gonzaga knocks Kentucky out of March Madness, no one is clamoring to put the best two teams in the finals, same in the NFL playoffs or any other postseason contest.

I am for a limited playoff, but the idea that CFB needs an 8-team or (God forbid) a 16-team playoff to determine a champions is ludicrous. It would ruin the beauty of the sport.

Imagine ND runs the table over a grueling 12-game season against BCS-conference opponents every week, and then is "rewarded" with a neutral site game against Johnny Manziel and 2-loss Texas A&M. That's what you'd be looking at with a March Madness-style playoff.

Why in the world won't the NCAA mandate that FBS schools cannot play FCS schools? Or that FBS schools can only schedule so many non-BCS teams each season?

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Here's my theory if we have 3 undefeateds

Kelly will present himself as being just focused on our football team and not concerned with the NC picture. But, Kelly is a type A personality, and there is no way he is not going to lobby some votes towards the end of the season. Here is how, if I were Kelly, I would fight to put my team in the NC.

1. ND, at this point, is getting hurt because of not demolishing bad teams. The fact is, in trying to do that, we might inadvertantly put ourselves in a situation where TO's could cost us a game. Also, when winning 21-6 with 5 mins left and throwing bombs down the field is a little too obvious and would probably do more hurt than good to our image. Also, Kelly is trying to get his developing offense to progress forward. They need all the reps running their standard offense as they can get. Getting cute will waste valuable learning experience that will be needed against SC/bowl game.

2. I dont believe for a second Kelly is not strategically positioning himself and ND to make of move in the coaches poll after USC. I think Kelly is relying on his defense to hold USC down and win something like 31-17/34-16. After that, he will fight the image of Oregons offense with his lights out defense. He will call his friends (like Cinci's coach and im sure he has more) and have them vote ND #2 and lean on them to vote for Oregon as #3-5. The logic behind Oregon falling behind will be the ND defense holding SC to a much weaker offensive output.

If ND stays #1 in the computers and Kelly can get 5 coaches to vote for ND over Oregon...that may be enough to nudge ND into the BCS #2 spot.

I just can't believe that Kelly will just let the chips fall where they may. 12-0 teams dont come around very often, and to just sit back waiting just does not seem like something Kelly would do. Most big-time coaches (Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, ND, Ohio State, Cowboys, Yankees..etc) have to have some degree of narcissism. They love the spotlight, they love being the face of programs, and love all the pressure that comes with it. These types of people need control, and will have a very difficult time leaving a championship on the table and not actively fighting to get it.

 

[GreenSox04]

sounds like a lot of nervous bash talk starting to be spewed from ESPNs little bcs countdown, sec teams keep fallen, and they're still talking about us. our good friends are getting neeeeerrrvous.

we will get our shot. one way or the other.

 

[ARALOU]

I miss the days when you had two polls. No ESPN. Bob Hope introduced us to the All-Americans. You had a good idea who was relevant without dozens of experts telling you who was. I don't even watch ESPN anymore and that sucks because they have all but a couple bowl games.

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

can anyone provide a link to where i can see the full results for the coaches poll and harris poll. I'd like to crunch some numbers but need to know what each coach voted us. thanks

Coaches Poll is private until the final poll, I believe (yes, it is bullshit).

I think the Harris Poll info is on that one poll site. Let me try to find it, but knowing IE someone has already posted it^^^ lol


EDIT: Why are people even talking about Oregon falling? If they win out, they will be the undisputed #1 team in the country. They are finishing the season with FOUR STRAIGHT games against ranked opponents, and five in six. It is Kansas State who we should be targeting in the event that all three teams finish unbeaten.

 

[Redbar]

I am for a limited playoff, but the idea that CFB needs an 8-team or (God forbid) a 16-team playoff to determine a champions is ludicrous. It would ruin the beauty of the sport.

Imagine ND runs the table over a grueling 12-game season against BCS-conference opponents every week, and then is "rewarded" with a neutral site game against Johnny Manziel and 2-loss Texas A&M. That's what you'd be looking at with a March Madness-style playoff.

Why in the world won't the NCAA mandate that FBS schools cannot play FCS schools? Or that FBS schools can only schedule so many non-BCS teams each season?

I wasn't advocating for a big playoff system as much as I was trying to point out my belief that it is ludicrous to focus on who is "best" and college football is the only sport where we do this sort of thing. Whatever the final system is if you lose you should be out no matter if you would have beaten that team 9 out of 10 times. I live in $EC country and hate hearing all the whining about how "good" they really are even though they have losses. They are still deserving in their minds.

 

[gkIrish]

Oregon or Kansas State WILL LOSE.

BELIEVE

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

I wasn't advocating for a big playoff system as much as I was trying to point out my belief that it is ludicrous to focus on who is "best" and college football is the only sport where we do this sort of thing. Whatever the final system is if you lose you should be out no matter if you would have beaten that team 9 out of 10 times. I live in $EC country and hate hearing all the whining about how "good" they really are even though they have losses. They are still deserving in their minds.

Fair enough. I just quoted your post because it was on this page and referenced the NCAA [Basketball] Tournament. There was another post further back that I probably should have quoted instead.

 

[GreenSox04]

pretty sure these jabroni's also said alabama would run the table too... oops.

 

[Kak7304]

SEC bias is sickening. I sat through that entire show wondering if Florida would get ripped or the SEC knocked for having one of its top teams (Florida) hold on for dear life at home against an average Sun Belt team. Florida needed a late TD with under 2 minutes left and a blocked punt returned for a TD to beat a really weak team from a no name conference. Yet, somehow this fact eluded any discussion all weekend.

ND struggles against a bad opponent and we are frauds, undeserving of a high ranking, and would get demolished by a real team. SEC team does the same and they're resilient and showed a lot bouncing back to hold off a team despite having a bad day. I cannot stand the double standard by which ESPN judges us.

 

[NDPhilly]

Everything has gone right for us so far so I'm positive one of Oregon or KSU lose.

 

[RuntheBall]

Notre Dame Scoring: Adjusted MOV (as a % of the points the winning team scored, aka less than 100% would be a loss)

Notre Dame
500% vs Navy
117.6% vs Purdue
666.6% vs Mich St. (then #10)
216.6% vs. Mich. (then # 18)
1366.6% vs Miami
153.8% vs. Stanford (then # 17)
121.4% vs BYU
230.7% vs Oklahoma (then #8)
115.6% vs. Pitt
300% vs. BC

Total %:3788.9
Avg Winning %: 378.9%
Avg Winning (FBS only): 378.9%
Top 25 Teams Beaten (at that time):4
Avg % vs. those teams: 316.925 %
Top 25 Beaten as of now: 3 (Oklahoma #6, Stanford #12, Michigan #21)
Avg % vs those teams: 200.3 %


Kansas State:
566.6% vs. Miss. St. (FCS)
400% vs. Miami
166% vs North Florida
126.1% vs Oklahoma (then #6)
350% vs. Kansas
128.6% vs. Iowa St.
392.8% vs. West Virginia (then #13)
229.1% vs. Texas Tech (then #14)
146.6% vs. Oklahoma State (then #24)
230% vs. TCU

Total %:2736.4
Avg Winning: 273.6%
Avg Winning (FBS only):242.2%
Top 25 Teams Beaten (at that time):4
Avg % vs. those teams: 223.65%
Top 25 Beaten as of now: 3 (Oklahoma #12, TTech #23, OK State, #24)
Avg % vs those teams:167.26%

Versus Common Opponents:
Notre Dame: 1660%
Avg: 830%
Kansas State: 526.1% Total
Avg: 253%


How are we behind KState?


Note: I am not saying this is a better measure for comparing to teams then the normal MOV. The reason is more to show there are multiple ways to measure the same thing, and numbers can be measured different way to show different things. This method favors defense more then the tradition method which favors good offensive teams.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

He sucked at Uga and he sucks more now.

SEC Player of the Year Award (2004)
SEC Defensive Player of the Year Award (2004)
Chuck Bednarik Award (2004)
Ted Hendricks Award (2003, 2004)
Lombardi Award (2004)
Lott Trophy (2004)

Didn't exactly suck at Georgia... But yeah he is definitely wrong about this one. It is unfortunate that the greatest sport this world has even seen is decided by such an inept system. Really is just an insult to our intelligence. I'm not going down without a fight, and I hope you're all with me.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

SEC Player of the Year Award (2004)
SEC Defensive Player of the Year Award (2004)
Chuck Bednarik Award (2004)
Ted Hendricks Award (2003, 2004)
Lombardi Award (2004)
Lott Trophy (2004)

Didn't exactly suck at Georgia... But yeah he is definitely wrong about this one. It is unfortunate that the greatest sport this world has even seen is decided by such an inept system. Really is just an insult to our intelligence. I'm not going down without a fight, and I hope you're all with me.

I said he "sucked" at Uga.... Didn't necessarily mean on the field. Look up a "Lemon Party" and you'll get the idea.

He's got a pocket full of SEC bias and a 5 cent head. F*ck him.