Baylor IS in some deep trouble

[Booslum31]

The NCAA needs to step in here.

Absolutely agree. This is insane.

 

[BGIF]

No shit. Lack of Institutional Control with a nice Show Cause Penalty on Art.

IF the Board re-instates him with a one year "sabbatical" it will NOT be Lack of Institutional Control, which includes negligence or omission, but Malignant Institutional Control.

 

[Legacy]

In other news, as posted by dublinirish, King Co (Seattle area) "accepted a Bellevue resolution that it will not renew contracts for two years of coaches who violated the WIAA rule that stipends and gifts of more than $500 must be approved by the school board." Discipline for the head coach is pending.

Sad when discipline for two assistant coaches for a high school team is more severe than it may be for Briles and a program in which coaches knew and covered up multiple and serial rapes for which former players went to prison.

The federal government and lawyers for the victims need to do the job for the Neutered Cash-driven Athletic Association refuses to do.

 

[Legacy]

Baylor blotter: The Bears are tone deaf to public opinion (from Burnt Orange Nation)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Baylor blotter: The Bears are tone deaf to public opinion (from Burnt Orange Nation)

Great get! One leg up! I quote :

Baylor has launched a task force to clean up their athletic program: They probably should have done that 10 years ago when their basketball coach covered up a murder. Oh, wait.....

Makes me want to fuckin' vomit!

And this deluded fan's blog (!) :

About Our Blog


Baylor Revolution is a blog about one thing: change. It's time for change. It's time to fight for Baylor.

For too long, Baylor has been attacked by the regional and national media bent on her destruction. National epidemics being pushed as a Baylor only problem will not go unchallenged any longer. The landscape of college athletics, rooted in the almighty dollar run by media goliaths, is not fond of Baylor Football's emergence. Facing a playing field tilted against them, it's time our coaches and athletes had an unyielding advocate. The future of Baylor clouded in questionable decision making and one public relations disaster after another simply must change.

The spirits of old Baylor will not stand for it any longer. It's time for the Baylor Revolution.

I think the person that wrote this was too in tune with the spirits, from sniffing or drinking, when they wrote this!

16,000 members of the Baylor Alumni Assn. :

To that end, the university should:
•Release incoming football players from their national letters of intent — at least eight have requested that — after Bears interim head coach Jim Grobe has a chance to sit down with them and their parents. That would show true integrity.
•Name names, making public all those who have been fired while revealing their complicity in this tragic episode. Don’t innocent people deserve that much since they’re all being unfairly painted with one broad brush?
•Look internally to determine whether any of the regents has been complicit in a cover-up. It’s hard to believe then-President and Chancellor Ken Starr was the lone administrator who didn’t take action quickly enough.

 

[Legacy]

When their AD, Ian McCaw, resigned, he said:
"After much reflection and prayer, I have decided that a change in athletics department leadership is in Baylor University's best interest in order to promote the unity, healing and restoration that must occur in order to move forward. I have always sought to put the University's needs ahead of my own,"

Briles brings in a lot more money. But not more than Title IX.

 

[ACamp1900]

Briles brings in a lot more money. But not more than Title IX.

I'm missing something here...

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'm missing something here...

No, I think Legacy makes a perfect point.



Baylor is used to the upturn in revenue generated by Briles winning. Gates, gear, and alum contributions are through the roof.
Fantasy - Football success is real.

Title IX keeps any given and every post-secondary institution open and running. Without Title IX few if any modern major universities would be able to operate. Period. Fans may like the juice, but the Federal Government, Department of Education keeps the lights on, and the doors open.
Reality - Every school is it's own sustaining football nation, oh yeah, except that thing called education really keeps the doors opened!

 

[IrishLion]

Some big Baylor donors are now refuting that report, via Twitter.

Sounds like a couple of big donors are prepared to try and keep Briles, but most know he needs to go.

 

[Luckylucci]

Some big Baylor donors are now refuting that report, via Twitter.

Sounds like a couple of big donors are prepared to try and keep Briles, but most know he needs to go.

Yea, I wouldn't put anything past some football programs and donors these days but I see it being very difficult to explain keeping him on after this. My understanding is, the investigation that was done, found that Briles was aware of Elliot's first rape and didn't do a damn thing about it. Which then led to his second rape and incarceration.

 

[Legacy]

I'm missing something here...

Bogs had a good explanation. Federal funding could be at risk for Baylor, which is why every statement they have made includes how they have been compliant with Title IX and a law firm that is qualified to defend them. Hiring a Compliance Officer in only 2014 does not look good.

From the Dept of Justice on Title IX:

Title IX was modeled after Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and they both share a common purpose: to ensure that public funds derived from all the people are not utilized in ways that encourage, subsidize, permit, or result in prohibited discrimination against some of the people. Towards that end, both Title VI and Title IX broadly prohibit conduct by a recipient of federal financial assistance that results in a person being "excluded from participation in, . . . denied the benefits of, or . . . subjected to discrimination under" a federally-assisted program or activity.

and from the the DoJ's Q&A document:

How does Title IX apply to student-on-student sexual violence?
Answer: Under Title IX, federally funded schools must ensure that students of all ages are
not denied or limited in their ability to participate in or benefit from the school’s
educational programs or activities on the basis of sex. A school violates a student’s rights
under Title IX regarding student-on-student sexual violence when the following conditions
are met: (1) the alleged conduct is sufficiently serious to limit or deny a student’s ability to
participate in or benefit from the school’s educational program, i.e. creates a hostile
environment; and (2) the school, upon notice, fails to take prompt and effective steps
reasonably calculated to end the sexual violence, eliminate the hostile environment,
prevent its recurrence, and, as appropriate, remedy its effects.

At least one of the students raped was another student-athlete by a player convicted and now in prison. She lost her scholarship, had to leave Baylor, and says no counseling was ever provided her. What role does the Compliance Office play at Baylor?

Their Board's statement said:

We were horrified by the extent of these acts of sexual violence on our campus. This investigation revealed the University's mishandling of reports in what should have been a supportive, responsive and caring environment for students [...] The depth to which these acts occurred shocked and outraged us. Our students and their families deserve more, and we have committed our full attention to improving our processes, establishing accountability and ensuring appropriate actions are taken to support former, current and future students.

Horrified? Shocked and Outraged? and reinstating Briles after a one year suspension? (As graybeard said, too: "Did anyone else happen to catch the irony that one of the reasons he's (Ken Starr) resigning is because of a sex scandal?")

Plow their fields and sow them with salt.

 

[ACamp1900]

Bogs had a good explanation. Federal funding could be at risk for Baylor, which is why every statement they have made includes how they have been compliant with Title IX and a law firm that is qualified to defend them. Hiring a Compliance Officer in only 2014 does not look good.

From the Dept of Justice on Title IX:


and from the the DoJ's Q&A document:


At least one of the students raped was another student-athlete by a player convicted and now in prison.

Their Board's statement said:


Horrified? Shocked and Outraged? and reinstating Briles after a one year suspension?

Plow their fields and sow them with salt.

OK gotcha, I totally misread what you were saying the first time around.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

The NCAA needs to step in here.

No shit. Lack of Institutional Control with a nice Show Cause Penalty on Art.

IF the Board re-instates him with a one year "sabbatical" it will NOT be Lack of Institutional Control, which includes negligence or omission, but Malignant Institutional Control.

Maybe you can elaborate as you clearly have a better handle on the NCAA bylaws, but how does the one year "sabbatical" reclassify what has already occurred?

Just to give you my thought process in failing to understand that: If they were eligible for a Lack of Institutional Control, how does the one-year suspension lower the level?

Basically, if you "lumped in" the year suspension with the rest of time, then by that logic I could see it.

Yet, if you view these as two distinct periods, as I do (BBE & ABE-- Before and After Being Exposed), then there was a Lack of Institutional Control in the past, prior to the suspension. How does giving him a slap on the wrist (relatively) lower the offenses that have already occurred?

They may have Malignant Institutional Control now, but they certainly had a Lack of Institutional Control over a period of years.

In mathematical parlance:

Lack of Institutional Control + Suspension = Lack of Institutional Control + Suspension (I swear there's a law for this).
Lack of Institutional Control + Suspension = Malignant Institutional Control + Suspension-- LOLWUT?

See my confusion?

EDIT: "Lack of Institutional Control, which includes negligence or omission"-- Isn't that EXACTLY what they've done at Baylor for YEARS? So much so it cultivated a culture that permeated the highest levels of the University? How does slapping Art on the wrist down grade that? This isn't a plea agreement.

 

[Irish#1]

Was listening to local sports talk on the way home. One of the hosts, Jake Query is also a member of the radio broadcast team that does Indy car races. He's at the Dallas airport and sees a guy carrying a Big 12 bag and is wearing a Baylor shirt. From appearances he can tell the guy is probably part of their athletic department.

Without even mentioning this scandal, he asks the guy how many times a day he gets asked. Guy responds with, "This is just like Trump. You media don't even know the facts and make things up just to have a story."

If you're thinking of going to Egypt for a swim, don't. It's pretty packed right now.

 

[phork]

Was listening to local sports talk on the way home. One of the hosts, Jake Query is also a member of the radio broadcast team that does Indy car races. He's at the Dallas airport and sees a guy carrying a Big 12 bag and is wearing a Baylor shirt. From appearances he can tell the guy is probably part of their athletic department.

Without even mentioning this scandal, he asks the guy how many times a day he gets asked. Guy responds with, "This is just like Trump. You media don't even know the facts and make things up just to have a story."

If you're thinking of going to Egypt for a swim, don't. It's pretty packed right now.

So... the media made up the sexual assaults? And everything else that happened? Gotcha.

 

[Legacy]

Ex coach Art Briles rips Baylor, claims wrongful termination

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — Fired Baylor coach Art Briles ripped his former employer Thursday, accusing the school of wrongful termination and indicating he has no interest in settling a federal lawsuit filed against him and the university by a woman who was raped by a football player.

In a motion filed Thursday as part of the lawsuit, Briles said he wants new attorneys separate from the school, and his personal attorney said Baylor was using the coach as a scapegoat for its failings in handling allegations of sexual assault.

"The conclusion is inescapable that the motive of Baylor and the Board of Regents was to use its head football coach and the Baylor athletic department as a camouflage to disguise and distract from its own institutional failure to comply" with federal civil rights protections, Briles lawyer Ernest Cannon wrote to Baylor's attorneys in the latest development in a scandal that has gripped the world's largest Baptist university for months .

 

[connor_in]

Reports: Baylor, Art Briles reach contract settlement

Well, that moved quickly.

A day after filing a motion accusing Baylor of wrongful termination, former Bears head coach Art Briles has reportedly reached a contract settlement with the school. Details of the settlement, which was first reported by Bleacher Report’s Jason King, are not yet known. KWTX and KCEN also reported news of a settlement, confirming Briles will not return to the university.

 

[NDbrbkny]

cause how is it that the report is not released in full so he can fully defend himself! cause they told him to hush while this played out

 

[Ndaccountant]

What a POS. I hope he gets a show cause and never gets to coach in college again.

Monday's news release detailing the Hernandez team's frustration with Briles comes after a series of meetings and legal maneuvers last week.

Baylor, Briles and McCaw have been working to settle the lawsuit through Baylor, according to Hernandez's attorneys; an all-day mediation meeting Friday in Dallas ended without a deal, however.

The day before the mediation session, Briles' personal attorney, Ernest Cannon, filed a motion to separate Briles from Baylor University in the Hernandez lawsuit, meaning each would be able to fight or settle the lawsuit independently. The motion contended that Briles, who had been fired May 26, was being unfairly blamed for the school's overall institutional failure to address sexual assault and that Baylor's attorneys were not working on his behalf.

After Cannon filed the motion Thursday, he called Hernandez's Texas attorney and said that Briles "promised" to come to Friday's mediation session "to support Jasmin ... and help her, and to apologize to her and her family," Zalkin told Outside the Lines.

Zalkin said Hernandez was "cautiously optimistic" upon hearing the news. "She was definitely appreciative that he wanted to help and that he wanted to apologize," Zalkin said.

On Friday, Briles and Baylor reached a settlement about his firing, according to The Waco (Texas) Tribune-Herald, and Cannon withdrew the legal motion, leaving Briles to be represented by Baylor's attorneys. Neither Briles nor Cannon showed up for the mediation meeting on Friday, Zalkin said. The mediation ended without a deal, Zalkin said.

"[Briles] used the threat of helping Jasmin in her lawsuit against Baylor as leverage to negotiate his wrongful termination claim against Baylor," Zalkin said. "He doesn't care about victims. He never cared about victims. He's using victims. He used them to help build up his football program, and now he's using Jasmin to leverage more money out of Baylor."

Hernandez "was hurt. ... She was upset and she was offended," Zalkin said. He said Cannon did not offer an explanation for not showing up when reached Friday, only "that they decided not to come."

Attorney lambastes ex-Baylor coach Art Briles for reneging on deal to apologize to rape victim

 

[Irish#1]

POS doesn't even begin to describe him. Not sure how he can justify not being part of the lawsuit either. He and the BU administration are both on the hook for this. Then to play the victim against BU for a settlement is lower than pond scum. Lucifer has a special place for him.

 

[dublinirish]

- Baylor Official Athletic Site

Baylor University Grants Releases To Five Football Signees

BU releases five from National Letter of Intent.

June 23, 2016
WACO, Texas – Baylor University has granted a release from the National Letter of Intent to the five members of the Bears’ 2016 football recruiting class who formally requested such release prior to May 31.
Several members of the 2016 class enrolled for the first session of summer school, which began last month, and are participating in the Bears’ strength and conditioning program. Additional class members are expected to join the program for the second session of summer school in July.

“I wanted the opportunity to talk with our signees and their families before providing any releases,” said Baylor Acting Head Football Coach Jim Grobe. “This has never been about whether or not we would ultimately provide individuals with a release; we simply asked that we go through the process outlined by the NLI, take some time and have the chance to speak with the student-athletes and their parents. I’ve enjoyed those opportunities to meet with these families and wish each individual success in all that they do in life.

“I am very impressed with the young men who are here at Baylor and on our team,” he added. “We have great student-athletes who are working hard, committed to success and being a part of something special. I am committed to each one in their pursuit of academic and athletic excellence.”

Fall camp for Baylor’s 2016 football season begins Aug. 4 ahead of the Bears’ Sept. 2 season-opener against Northwestern State.

The 5 players who requested NLI releases from BU include Parrish Cobb, Kameron Martin, Patrick Hudson, J.P. Urquidez and Donovan Duvernay.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The five Baylor players who were released WERE NOT TOLD before Baylor put out their statement. What a joke.</p>— Mark Passwaters (@mbpRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/mbpRivals/status/746118449051533312">June 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Legacy]

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- Baylor Official Athletic Site

The 5 players who requested NLI releases from BU include Parrish Cobb, Kameron Martin, Patrick Hudson, J.P. Urquidez and Donovan Duvernay.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The five Baylor players who were released WERE NOT TOLD before Baylor put out their statement. What a joke.</p>— Mark Passwaters (@mbpRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/mbpRivals/status/746118449051533312">June 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Star recruits who left Baylor are headed to Texas and Auburn

Duvenays and Urquidez to Texas. Moore to Auburn. Cox probably to Oklahoma. Only Hudson left to decide either Texas or Oklahoma.

Texas' 2016 Class now ranked 8th by 247 composite. (27 commits, 12 four stars. Fowler yet to qualify though)

 

[ACamp1900]

It will be fascinating to see what happens to Briles moving forward... the normally balanced masses would assume his days of coaching anything are over... but college and high school football in America is hardly what many of us would call 'balanced' at times... I'm sure he'll get some opportunity somewhere, eventually.

 

[Bishop2b5]

It will be fascinating to see what happens to Briles moving forward... the normally balanced masses would assume his days of coaching anything are over... but college and high school football in America is hardly what many of us would call 'balanced' at times... I'm sure he'll get some opportunity somewhere, eventually.

Florida St. OC or director of player development. Maybe Steubenville High School needs a head coach.

 

[ulukinatme]

It will be fascinating to see what happens to Briles moving forward... the normally balanced masses would assume his days of coaching anything are over... but college and high school football in America is hardly what many of us would call 'balanced' at times... I'm sure he'll get some opportunity somewhere, eventually.

Obligatory pic

 

[dublinirish]

It will be fascinating to see what happens to Briles moving forward... the normally balanced masses would assume his days of coaching anything are over... but college and high school football in America is hardly what many of us would call 'balanced' at times... I'm sure he'll get some opportunity somewhere, eventually.

some tv station will hire him to cover games this season and he'll be back in the saddle in 2017

 

[dublinirish]

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Star recruits who left Baylor are headed to Texas and Auburn

Duvenays and Urquidez to Texas. Moore to Auburn. Cox probably to Oklahoma. Only Hudson left to decide either Texas or Oklahoma.

Texas' 2016 Class now ranked 8th by 247 composite. (27 commits, 12 four stars. Fowler yet to qualify though)

Picked UT today

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I don't know about Briles having a rosy broadcast future. With ESPN taking on water and listing terribly, they are pushing all sports media, all of a sudden.

Who is that eye candy that got fired by Fox in Florida for demeaning 'Mexicans' and stereotyping 'Chinese?' The big boys are getting sensitive to crap they used to institutionally partake in recently.

And. The Federal Government, Department of Education, via the FBI owns : Baylor University; Kenneth Starr; Asshole Briles; and that whole sorry mess, and everyone involved in it.

Just a fact.

This thing with the feds could take the majority of his energy and attention for the rest of his expected working life.

And, finally. You can bet not everything is out yet. Police involvement. Alum involvement. Hush money. ETC.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DE Brian Nance confirmed he's transferring from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Baylor?src=hash">#Baylor</a>. <a href="https://t.co/Y2dwB63d4T">https://t.co/Y2dwB63d4T</a></p>— Craig Smoak (@CraigSmoak) <a href="https://twitter.com/CraigSmoak/status/748291443941220353">June 29, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">DEVELOPING-Hearing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Baylor?src=hash">#Baylor</a> will release TC Byron Nelson DE Brandon Bowen from his NLI. BU had until July 10 to respond. Awaiting NLI confirm</p>— SicEmSports (@SicEmSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/SicEmSports/status/748619494264692736">June 30, 2016</a></blockquote>
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