AP Top 25 (ND #11)

[greyhammer90]

We've already seen a rematch under the previous system, there is no reason to believe that Georgia (or especially Alabama) couldn't stay in the top four with a loss in the SEC Championship.

I think thats the point though, the old system did that one year, and it caused such a ruckus that it contributed to getting rid of that system. I dont know if the playoff committee would do it, but I'd be very much against it.

 

[dwshade]

I think thats the point though, the old system did that one year, and it caused such a ruckus that it contributed to getting rid of that system. I dont know if the playoff committee would do it, but I'd be very much against it.

Yep the Alabama-LSU rematch game for the national championship didn't sit well with a lot of people. I think the committee will do everything possible to keep two teams from the same conference from making the playoffs.

 

[Irish YJ]

That's the thing. Unless Miami somehow runs the table, we probably won't finish with a win over a top ten team, because everyone else we beat would have at least two losses. Oklahoma could well deliver the only loss to both Ohio State and TCU. Their resume, top-end anyway, looks better than ours at that point.

Yup

If Bama loses in that scenario they are out. And that I would bet on that. I'd even go to 1000 dollars.

Are you in GA? lol

I cannot see the playoff committee advancing both Alabama and Georgia for several reasons but mostly because
1) you cannot advance a team to the playoffs that just lost...I don't care how close the game was
====who's rule is that?

2) no one wants to see the same game played three weeks later and
====sEcSPN would love that build up if it were a close game. We'd all hear that the SEC div champs are a notch above, and then there is everyone else.....

3) there is still a component of revenue/viewer share in the decision (whether they admit it or not) and Notre Dame draws in everyone because you either love them and want to see them win or you hate them and want to see them lose

This was once true, but a lot of folks just don't care anymore. If they start, it means we're relevant again lol

 

[wizards8507]

I cannot see the playoff committee advancing both Alabama and Georgia for several reasons but mostly because
1) you cannot advance a team to the playoffs that just lost...I don't care how close the game was
2) no one wants to see the same game played three weeks later and
3) there is still a component of revenue/viewer share in the decision (whether they admit it or not) and Notre Dame draws in everyone because you either love them and want to see them win or you hate them and want to see them lose

You're expressing your personal preferences, which have nothing to do with what the selection committee has done in our short sample size or what they've said in interviews.

1. Sure you can. If a Georgia that just lost to Alabama is still the 4th most deserving team in the country, they're in. Losing to Alabama in championship week isn't somehow worse than losing to Georgia in Week 2.

2. The semifinal doesn't have to be 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. They can rearrange it based on geography and matchup. If Notre Dame, Georgia, and Alabama were in, Notre Dame would probably get Alabama in the first round regardless of ranking. They'd save the Alabama-UGA or Notre Dame-UGA rematch for the championship.

3. This is ridiculous. The selection committee has absolutely zero incentive tied to revenue or ratings. If the selection committee was me, Bob Iger, and John Skipper, maybe you'd have a point.

 

[stlnd01]

Regardless of rematches, or same conference or ratings, if undefeated Georgia loses to undefeated Alabama by three points (or vice versa), the loser is still almost certainly among the four best and most deserving teams in the country. On a neutral field you'd still pick either of them to beat just about anyone else, wouldn't you?
That ought to count for something.

 

[wizards8507]

Regardless of rematches, or same conference or ratings, if undefeated Georgia loses to undefeated Alabama by three points (or vice versa), the loser is still almost certainly among the four best and most deserving teams in the country. On a neutral field you'd still pick either of them to beat just about anyone else, wouldn't you?
That ought to count for something.

This.

 

[IrishLion]

Regardless of rematches, or same conference or ratings, if undefeated Georgia loses to undefeated Alabama by three points (or vice versa), the loser is still almost certainly among the four best and most deserving teams in the country. On a neutral field you'd still pick either of them to beat just about anyone else, wouldn't you?
That ought to count for something.

This.

There is a small sample of supporting evidence for this, too.

Two years ago, Ole Miss was in the top 4 at one point, suffered a loss, but the playoff committee kept them in the top 6 the next Tuesday saying "that loss doesn't make them a worse team in our eyes, they just had a setback. Let's see what they do moving forward."

 

[wizards8507]

Notre Dame Fighting Irish can throw the College Football Playoff race into turmoil

 

[koonja]

I love how jacked up Wiz is on ND. Wiz, have you recapped your trip? I hope it was glorious. Sorry you had to look at the field turf though.

 

[RDU Irish]

Notre Dame Fighting Irish can throw the College Football Playoff race into turmoil

"We needed to prove who we were as a football team again," Kelly said. "Obviously, the standard of Notre Dame football had slipped under my watch, and it was important that we make the appropriate changes to bring it back to that level that it was in '12 and '15. I don't think anybody made a mistake; I think we had to earn the respect back."

What about 2013/2014? Hoping they have turned the corner to sustain success going forward - S/C results and defensive fundamentals have me optimistic (no longer cautiously).

 

[bobbyok1]

Notre Dame Fighting Irish can throw the College Football Playoff race into turmoil

From the article. Let that sink in: With four semifinal spots, somebody from the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12 or Pac-12 will always miss out on the playoff. Add Notre Dame into the top four and down goes another one.

Until it becomes an 8 team playoff . . . Time is on College Football fans side

 

[wizards8507]

From the article. Let that sink in: With four semifinal spots, somebody from the Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12 or Pac-12 will always miss out on the playoff. Add Notre Dame into the top four and down goes another one.

Until it becomes an 8 team playoff . . . Time is on College Football fans side

No.

 

[bobbyok1]

No.

Yes

 

[woolybug25]

No.

Yes

Maybe?

 

[Irish YJ]

Yes

x2

We need a system where power 5s get autobids / 3 at large (with 1 or 2 slots tagged for non p5s). Makes every conf happy.

Reduces human error and subjective and regional BS when it comes to selecting from a bunch of 1 loss teams.
It's better to have error when picking 8th vs 9th or 10th, than it is when 4th vs 5th or 6th.

One more round of games isn't going to hurt anything. The season still means a ton as 0 and 1 loss teams will populate the 8, same as today. $$ will increase.

 

[dad4aa]

You're expressing your personal preferences, which have nothing to do with what the selection committee has done in our short sample size or what they've said in interviews.

1. Sure you can. If a Georgia that just lost to Alabama is still the 4th most deserving team in the country, they're in. Losing to Alabama in championship week isn't somehow worse than losing to Georgia in Week 2.

2. The semifinal doesn't have to be 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3. They can rearrange it based on geography and matchup. If Notre Dame, Georgia, and Alabama were in, Notre Dame would probably get Alabama in the first round regardless of ranking. They'd save the Alabama-UGA or Notre Dame-UGA rematch for the championship.

3. This is ridiculous. The selection committee has absolutely zero incentive tied to revenue or ratings. If the selection committee was me, Bob Iger, and John Skipper, maybe you'd have a point.

And all of your points are your personal preference. I talked with a lot of people that agree with this so its not just my point. I actually talked with people who work in the NFL and these were some of their points that I agreed with in regards to the playoffs. You can say #3 is ridiculous but it is definitely considered when looking at teams that are fairly equal on all other issues.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

We will beat NC State by 15 or more this week and he will start making excuses that NC State isn't as good as everyone thought then theyll go beat Clemson and the arguement will be if Clemson had their QB healthy they would win lol

 

[IrishLion]

Maybe?

Sort of.

 

[wizards8507]

x2

We need a system where power 5s get autobids / 3 at large (with 1 or 2 slots tagged for non p5s). Makes every conf happy.

Reduces human error and subjective and regional BS when it comes to selecting from a bunch of 1 loss teams.
It's better to have error when picking 8th vs 9th or 10th, than it is when 4th vs 5th or 6th.

One more round of games isn't going to hurt anything. The season still means a ton as 0 and 1 loss teams will populate the 8, same as today. $$ will increase.

I think you fundamentally misunderstand why people love and follow college football so passionately. The Argument (TM) is the entire point. It's the life blood of sites like Irish Envy. Any step taken to eliminate The Argument (TM) is a step backwards for the beauty of the sport. College football is a soap opera for college educated men. Controversy and intrigue are why we devote so much time and effort to the thing.

The Birth of ‘The Argument’ « Grantland

An Outsider's Guide to Loving College Football « Grantland

There will be death battles every year over which teams make it into the playoff, and we’ll get all the same insanity we’ve gotten every year. There will be just as much pressure to win for all the same reasons there were for the past 50 years. Teams are still at the whims of voters, or in this case selection committee members.

A six-team playoff — with byes for the top two — would solve all this, so hopefully it never happens. This sport doesn’t need to be fair for everyone. The possibility of good teams getting screwed creates half the drama all by itself.

 

[Cackalacky]

Regardless of rematches, or same conference or ratings, if undefeated Georgia loses to undefeated Alabama by three points (or vice versa), the loser is still almost certainly among the four best and most deserving teams in the country. On a neutral field you'd still pick either of them to beat just about anyone else, wouldn't you?
That ought to count for something.

This guy gets it. If UGA and Bama are undefeated and one of them loses a dog fight in CCG to the other, I find it hard to fathom one of them will fall out of the CFP Committee's top 4 and rightfully so.

 

[Cackalacky]

Maybe?

Dubious

 

[GATTACA!]

Notre Dame Fighting Irish can throw the College Football Playoff race into turmoil

Good old Heather Dinich

 

[Irish YJ]

I think you fundamentally misunderstand why people love and follow college football so passionately. The Argument (TM) is the entire point. It's the life blood of sites like Irish Envy. Any step taken to eliminate The Argument (TM) is a step backwards for the beauty of the sport. College football is a soap opera for college educated men. Controversy and intrigue are why we devote so much time and effort to the thing.

The Birth of ‘The Argument’ « Grantland

An Outsider's Guide to Loving College Football « Grantland

Wiz that's your opinion, and that's OK. The Argument was attacked by the BCS, then the 4 game playoff, and did just fine. It will survive another attack by an 8 team playoff.

On your point that I fundamentally misunderstand.... Instead of saying GFY, I'll just say that I have a been a passionate CFB/Irish fan since I was born in 1970. I understand it just fine. I also understand that the landscape has changed since then. We now have super-conferences, 30 teams have been added to D1 since the 70s, almost every game is televised or you can stream it, and it's become a sport driven by $$. Plenty has changed. The argument doesn't go away with an 8 team playoff, it just shifts a bit. We will still debate the same crap on this forum for many many years after we go to an 8 team playoff.

 

[Cackalacky]

Wiz that's your opinion, and that's OK. The Argument was attacked by the BCS, then the 4 game playoff, and did just fine. It will survive another attack by an 8 team playoff.

On your point that I fundamentally misunderstand.... Instead of saying GFY, I'll just say that I have a been a passionate CFB/Irish fan since I was born in 1970. I understand it just fine. I also understand that the landscape has changed since then. We now have super-conferences, 30 teams have been added to D1 since the 70s, almost every game is televised or you can stream it, and it's become a sport driven by $$. Plenty has changed. The argument doesn't go away with an 8 team playoff, it just shifts a bit. We will still debate the same crap on this forum for many many years after we go to an 8 team playoff.

Exactly. CFP will never be a 16 game season, 32-team straight up and down justifiable playoff selection like NFL as it stands currently and without significant changes, conference realignment etc.

People understand just fine what is going on. The selection of CFB's elite has always been problematic and controversial (look at how many Titles Alabama claims LMAO).

 

[Kingbish01]

I have a feeling UGA will lose to either Tech or Auburn (maybe both) and this weekend against FLA is always a let down game for UGA.

 

[Irish YJ]

Exactly. CFP will never be a 16 game season, 32-team straight up and down justifiable playoff selection like NFL as it stands currently and without significant changes, conference realignment etc.

People understand just fine what is going on. The selection of CFB's elite has always been problematic and controversial (look at how many Titles Alabama claims LMAO).

Yup (on Bama).... lol

8 teams is perfect IMO given the current structure (5 power + 3)
While I don't care for the whole super conference set up, it does have it's benefits too.
Bottom line, we're never going back to good ol' days, so I'd prefer something I consider to be the fairest solution. The committee debating between a 1 loss p5 conference champ vs another one loss p5 conference champ is silly IMO. And not being able to give an undefeated Cinderella non-p5 team with quality wins over p5 schools is horse shit.
The argument can be limited to the 3, if not limited more.

 

[RDU Irish]

I would go for 6 with byes to the top 2 before an 8 team playoff. Just dilutes too much. Half the damn playoff would be two loss teams and teams wouldn't give a shit about anything but winning the conference championship for the guaranteed bid. Now you sit out if you are a chump champ - worst of the five and #4 needs to keep their head on a swivel for a non-P5 contender like ND or some Boise St type. Being #1 or #2 should count for more if you are going to dilute the final pool that much. Reward the best regular season performers.

 

[Irish YJ]

I have a feeling UGA will lose to either Tech or Auburn (maybe both) and this weekend against FLA is always a let down game for UGA.

I think UGA will roll over FL this week by around 24ish pts.
Auburn will be tough, but I'll take UGA in a very close one.
@GT will be crazy if GT keeps playing like they've been playing (I can see them possibly upsetting Clemson on the road). You think our stadium was red??

If UGA is undefeated come 11/25, GT's Bobby Dodd will be a rockin. And I might have to take a trip downtown!

 

[Kingbish01]

I don't mind the 4 team playoff. It sure beats the old way, and it makes every game still super important. It sucks for teams like UCF, but it should prevent them from scheduling Austin Pea in the future.

 

[BGIF]

I have a feeling UGA will lose to either Tech or Auburn (maybe both) and this weekend against FLA is always a let down game for UGA.

UGA leads the series 50-43 but since Spurrier became HC UF is 21-6. Dominating.